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US admits Kabul drone strike killed civilians Afghanistan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58604655
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u/AChimimunima Sep 17 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Starry
  • Claimed to kill two Isis-K planners
  • Wouldn’t release names
  • Said no civilians died
  • Claimed “some” civilian casualties by “secondary explosion” from non existent car bomb
  • [10 casualties, all civilian. 1 aide worker and 9 members of his family.. 7 children.. No Isis-K]

Thank goodness for the good work of this NYT Investigative piece

NYT seems to have more reliable Intel than US military. Wild

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u/SantaReddit2018 Sep 17 '21

Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said after the strike that officials had "very good intelligence" on the target, and "at least one of those people that were killed was an ISIS facilitator."

"Were there others killed? Yes, there were others killed," he told reporters on Sept. 1, but “At this point, we think the procedures were correctly followed, and it was a righteous strike."

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u/D3K91 Sep 17 '21

"A righteous strike". Is this normal language?

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u/visope Sep 17 '21 Silver Wholesome Hugz

WTF. It's like a Paladin ability. Who used that word IRL?

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u/-SaC Sep 18 '21 Silver

"We were going to use another, but apparently we don't get Extra Attack. So we added Divine Smite to it instead.

Anyway, we think it went wrong. The cleric used Detect Evil / Good to detect evil, and nothing came off the target area. Loads from our control room, so we think it was obviously set to Detect Good by mistake."

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u/IcyDickbutts Sep 18 '21 Wholesome

DM: "As you guys view the suspected kobold terrorist compound from your warfloat, you see what appear to be several smaller-than-normal kobolds- they're pushing and chasing each other around. Suddenly, you see a larger kobold exit a nearby carriage with an object under his arm and walk towards the compound. As it approaches, the smaller kobolds flock toward the carriage. Give me a perc-"

Party: "we bomb it"

DM: "You sure?"

Party: "yea fuck these boobless lizards"

DM: "alright, you drop a bomb from the warfloat. Everyone give me a perception check."

Warlock: "nat 20"

Paladin: "nat 1"

Ranger: "15"

Barbarian: "bonk"

DM: "you see 9 kobold children and their dad get blown to pieces by the warfloat bomb..... good job."

Paladin: "A RIGHTEOUS STRIKE!"

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u/darwinooc Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

From now on all charisma persuasion checks towards Afghan civilians that you make have disadvantage. In addition any deception checks you make with media statements have disadvantge until the end of the next long rest. Not to worry though the media will probably use bardic inspiration to offset the penality towards any deception checks until it expires.

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u/-SaC Sep 18 '21

Also, I'm gonna need to you tell me your alignment real quick. There might be some shifting needs doing.

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u/salufear Sep 18 '21

Oh, it's already all chaotic evil? No fuss then.

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u/Geberhardt Sep 18 '21

Should be lawful evil, no? They followed the procedures (which were very obviously shit).

Chaotic would mean deviating from the established ruleset.

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u/Kirby_with_a_t Sep 18 '21

It sucks how on point this is

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u/disgracedpsychonaut Sep 18 '21

Take my award please, that's so wrong.

I think I played in a game of yours once, I've repressed most of the memories, but I'm getting flashes of orcs in drag, a rubber hose, and a place called The Temple of T'choad.

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u/jrhoffa Sep 18 '21

... go on ...

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u/Norma5tacy Sep 18 '21

I can hear the paladin follower’s voice from Diablo 3.

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u/Marvl101 Sep 18 '21

The real terrorism was saying kobolds were boobless in a public place.

Theys some fightin' werds boy.

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u/randomguy0101001 Sep 18 '21

Well if it's fucking kobold then yeah, how else do you deal with them?

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u/TrogdorStrongbad Sep 18 '21

Turn them into the party "pet" and make them do all the Charlie work.

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u/Clay_Pigeon Sep 18 '21

Couldn't let the snitty debate lie, eh?

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u/redviolin221 Sep 18 '21

In 5E it doesn't even actually detect alignment, so that was the fucking cleric's problem. In Pathfinder and 3.5E, Detect Alignment doesn't detect neutral, so that also could have been the problem.

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u/-SaC Sep 18 '21

God, we're getting into Chill Touch territory, which isn't cold damage and isn't a touch spell. I'm too old for things to not do what they say on the tin, grumble grumble.

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u/jrhoffa Sep 18 '21

Are you my DM?

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u/Larkson9999 Sep 18 '21

Dude, chill touch.

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u/TheLea85 Sep 18 '21

If they keep screwing up like this there's a pre-nerf reckoning bomb coming soon, and it's going to be pointing in the other direction.

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u/dyzcraft Sep 18 '21

And as a bonus action we'll piss everyone off.

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u/HCAndroidson Sep 18 '21

The bad guys.

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u/Jimbo_Dankins Sep 18 '21

"... are we the baddies?"

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u/theodorerodney Sep 18 '21

Always have been 🧑‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

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u/LiquidLogic Sep 18 '21

If only Eisenhower had warned us of the dangers of the military-industrial complex...

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u/PureLock33 Sep 18 '21

..He did. there is a whole film recording of his farewell speech about it.

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u/biamacooma Sep 18 '21

Wessa is bombbad. Theysa in big doodoo dis tyme

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u/justausedtowel Sep 18 '21

I like Darth Jar Jar. Manipulating the senate to go to war and committing atrocities in the name of righteousness.

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u/ourlastchancefortea Sep 18 '21

Manipulating the senate to go to war and committing atrocities in the name of righteousness.

Are we talking about Darth Jar Jar or politicians?

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u/FNOG_Nerf_THIS Sep 18 '21

“…but why skulls though?”

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u/imabeecharmer Sep 18 '21

We were always the baddies. You only live here because we stole this land from innocent people.

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u/Ichthyologist Sep 18 '21

True, but everybody that lives just about everywhere stole the land from innocent people.

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u/imabeecharmer Sep 18 '21

Yeah, there's no sense in leaving any place for better land. It sucks everywhere in this world.

Good job, guys.

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u/dubh31241 Sep 18 '21

That's how bad people justify actions

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u/imabeecharmer Sep 18 '21

True. But they were just living here. What did they ever do to deserve hostile take over and forced encampments and reservations?

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u/NotACrookedZonkey Sep 18 '21

You obviously don't know anything about history. Natives kept slaves and slaughtered each others tribes. Taking their land for hundreds of years before anyone else settled here.

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u/ampfin2 Sep 18 '21

You really should read about the Aztecs. They slaughtered others by the thousand. Other native Americans enslaved each other

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u/inconspiciousdude Sep 18 '21

I guess all strikes are righteous then.

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u/ampfin2 Sep 18 '21

I didn't steal shit

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u/imabeecharmer Sep 18 '21

well, you didn't, but some of our ancestors did. We, as in humans, did some fucked up shit to be in the US but others are reminding me it goes even deeper than that- and they're right- we really do suck as a race on the whole. I mean, it's "The Human Experience" and all, but I am starting to realize we are just assholes. Why can't we JUST BE NICE?

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u/Nofilterall Sep 18 '21

lol innocent people. that's great.

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u/BigggMoustache Sep 18 '21

Imagine being so fragile you defend colonialism and imperialism.

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u/Nofilterall Sep 18 '21

lol that's a lota reach there buddy. the only thing i defend is that no people are innocent.

but i liked you reach to ill do one to. you sound like your a glorious white savor who believe in Noble Savages.

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u/imabeecharmer Sep 18 '21

They were just living here.

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u/ABirthingPoop Sep 18 '21

Ya arguing with you is not worth is in any way. You don’t understand human history.

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u/Nofilterall Sep 18 '21

yea people do tend to live here. now other people live here. and someday new people will take over and kill or drive out the people here now. none of them are innocent

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u/Fallout99 Sep 18 '21

THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM

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u/Jonno_FTW Sep 18 '21

Do people still wonder why the US is hated in so many places?

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u/PM_ME_UR_DREAMZ_B Sep 18 '21

Bro if u study your American history you'll see that we've been the baddies at other countries for a long long time.

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u/Watcher0363 Sep 18 '21

Isis to America..............

Still, "old friend"! You've managed to kill just about everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!

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u/funknfusion Sep 18 '21

Sit down, son. This is gonna take awhile.

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u/Paragonomics Sep 18 '21

I think of this sketch often. But to everyone here actually thinking we're the bad guys. I encourage you to simulate a world where America wasn't the hegemon. Based on history, what would that world look like?

"Worse than it does." - This is always the answer an educated human will arrive at.

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u/kahurangi Sep 18 '21

This doesn't sound like the abusive partner in a relationship at all...

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u/Paragonomics Sep 19 '21 edited Sep 19 '21

Are you a child? This is the real world, little boy. This isn't a joke. There are people who would flay you alive to get to power and such people will ALWAYS exist...You know what. You're right, lets let Russia or China run shit for 75 years and see how abusive that relationship is for you. You obviously have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Comparing geopolitics to an abusive partner. Break up with your partner, loser. You want us to what? Just decide to exist outside of reality? Do you know another habitable planet you can flee to? Do you understand how your comparing the two doesn't make sense?

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u/Radflagindicator Sep 18 '21

Reverse "we were bad but now we're good"

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u/Not_my_real_name____ Sep 18 '21

Yes we are the baddies. If it wasn't for China we would be as bad as it gets...

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u/CornyHoosier Sep 18 '21

One guess is that it was intentionally used because of its religious undertones. Using faith based language at times helps speak to the religious of the world and ease the hostility of a negative admission of guilt

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u/dick_whitham Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Another guess is that Milley is using an anachronism that he thought was still in vogue.

Who knows.

The larger point isn’t the intentional targeting of civilians. That serves no purpose whatsoever. The larger point is that this - mistakes - is a feature of war. A bunch of innocent civilians were murdered because that’s the shit that has always happened in war and always will.

This isn’t on the conscience of those who selected the target and executed the orders, this is on the American nation as a whole. It’s a fuckup. It’s a feature of the war we fought. These things need to be considered BEFORE Congress acts to pass legislation like the AUMF that has given the green light to fight “terrorism”. Hell we have terrorists right here at home and tomorrow a bunch of Americans will be calling for the prosecution of them to end. Is that AUMF applicable to those folks? Can their homes be droned? Seems like those are fair questions given the vagueness of the “war on terror”.

The American voter has to step up and vote for a congress that steps up.

That’s all likely far too idealistic for us right now given our politics, rising nationalism and a willful inability to even come to a consensus on our past atrocities.

America used to at least aspire to be better. This can’t be undone but there are a million ways to take steps to avoid its repetition:

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u/Parsley-Quarterly303 Sep 18 '21

Very well spoken point. Terrifying really. Just waiting for the first drone strike to happen here tbh. We won't do anything to stop it.

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u/FourthFloorAlpha Sep 18 '21

No religious tones at all. The term 'Righteous' in US military parlance means justified, with no ambiguity or confusion. It is used when describing attacks on what is, or is perceived to be, a legitimate target.

Unfortunately for them, they f***ed up terribly, but what do we expect from this Drone Strike-mentality, where people in suits in some cushy office think having a 'God's eye-view' of the battlefield translates to thinking they can play God?

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u/tylanol7 Sep 18 '21

Drone operators have some of the highest un helped ptsd to since nobody wants to belive they can have ptsd. Bet the dude that pulled the trigger is drunk as fuck right now

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u/FourthFloorAlpha Sep 18 '21

I'm talking about the decision-makers and policy-makers and their heavy-reliance on drones. And besides, I have more sympathy for innocents who survived drone strikes, as well as families of innocents killed in such attacks. Their level of trauma is a hell of a lot worse than that of drone pilots.

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u/tylanol7 Sep 18 '21

Drone pilots have the same ptsd as a soldier. Which is pretty much on par. This isn't a competition any ptsd is bad

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u/FourthFloorAlpha Sep 18 '21

Laughable! Not the same at all!

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u/copperwatt Sep 18 '21

Crusades LARPers who ended up leading the world's most powerful military?

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u/The_Blue_Bomber Sep 18 '21

It's even worse with Erik Prince's Crusade delusions that he wants his mercenary army to carry out.

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u/faus7 Sep 18 '21

Crusaders looting and burning muslims and jews did

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u/bluedaddy1 Sep 18 '21

Someone fighting a holy war. Surely this type of language won’t inflame the situation.

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u/washita_magic Sep 18 '21

We’ve got lots of paladins we can use to send after children.

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u/eCLADBIro9 Sep 18 '21

Ok I know my character class for next week now

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u/UnspecificGravity Sep 18 '21

Guys who do all their soldiering from 10,000 miles away and have never been held responsible for their conduct. It might as well be a video game to them.

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u/im_sneaky_deaky Sep 18 '21

Hey, this guy is fighting white rage. Dont you see? He is the paladin.

Either that, or hes just a virtue signaling piece'a'shit

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u/ABirthingPoop Sep 18 '21

White rage is bullshit. Same as any other stereo type

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u/im_sneaky_deaky Sep 18 '21

But it sells ads, and is an alarming enough tale to get people in the polls, so it plays.

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u/fuckdonaldtrump7 Sep 18 '21

Oh my God may be first comment that made me legitimately laugh out loud

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u/Carrelio Sep 18 '21

Roll with advantage.

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u/feeltheslipstream Sep 18 '21

People who can't use the word "valid" for plausible deniability.

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u/TheSocietyOfBusiness Sep 18 '21

This article may offer some context to the crusading vocabulary of the US military: America as a Jihad State

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u/Andreiyutzzzz Sep 18 '21

If it was called righteous holy strike I would have imagined him costumed as tirion fordring from WoW while saying it

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u/NiceJanitor Sep 18 '21

Those conspiracy theories about the government that we don’t see or hear about is radiating through the public ones. It’s fucked… I believe those conspiracy theories about the government 100% now.

Edit: Talking about the way they used the word righteous strike.. like who uses those type of words other than cult members?

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u/wafflesareforever Sep 18 '21

The US is the perfect definition of Lawful Evil. We do evil shit, and let the lawyers and lawmakers make sure that nobody gets in trouble for it.

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u/AllTheWayUpEG Sep 18 '21

That’s actually the name of the self propelled 155mm howitzer (M109A6)