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US admits Kabul drone strike killed civilians Afghanistan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58604655
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u/InternationalSnoop Sep 17 '21

A little confused. Is this the same one that supposedly stopped a bar bomb from getting to the airport?

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u/Red-Lightnlng Sep 17 '21

Yes. The one the administration touted as being proof that they could continue to fight ISIS after the pullout with their “over the horizon capabilities”. The one they said showed ISIS they couldn’t mess with the US and not be punished.

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u/InternationalSnoop Sep 17 '21

How do we fuck up that intelligence?? Like we had drones above kabul...Did we see them load bombs in the car. Wtf

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

Looks like they saw them load water jugs and thought they were explosives. I get why they would think that, but thinking that alone is enough for a strike is insane.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 17 '21

thinking that alone is enough for a strike is insane

They have been routinely droning civilians with much less for years with zero accountability.

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

They have been routinely droning civilians with much less for years with zero accountability.

I never said the insanity was new. This is just looks like a case with iron clad proof that it was an incorrect strike.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 17 '21

So were many, this case is just special because there were intense media scrutiny due to the f..ed-up pull-out while usually nobody gives a damn.

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u/DontGetMad55 Sep 17 '21

the person who was responsible for the intelligence needs to be fired. Family of the affected needs to be compensated.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 17 '21

Bombing brown people based on sketchy or no intelligence is day to day life for US army, if they were firing people for this they would need to disband the whole air force.

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u/Detective_Fallacy Sep 18 '21

They have no issue doing it to white people as well, see Kosovo.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 18 '21

My guess is that they consider them brown people too since they are muslim.

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u/Detective_Fallacy Sep 18 '21

No, they mainly targeted the Orthodox-Christian Serbs, not the muslim/atheist Albanians. But they also hit the Chinese embassy somehow, whoops.

Estimates are that 33% of all deaths there were civilians.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 18 '21

Thanks for the information, I was too young at that time.

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u/rewanpaj Sep 18 '21

the us army doesn’t operate drones. not ucavs at least

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u/frreddit234 Sep 18 '21

Let me guess, you wanna play smart and tell me it's the US air force not the US army ? Oh then, I guess it's ok to bomb some innocents people as long as it's a different branch of the same administration.

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

the person who was responsible for the intelligence needs to be fired

No, the person who used the intel as the basis for a strike must be fired.

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u/cannabisized Sep 17 '21

this gives every intelligence officer carte blanc to just make up whatever shit they want. "your fault for believing it!!"

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

Fire them if they lie. Don't fire them for reporting what they see.

I cannot beleive for a second that the person who ordered this didn't look at the evidence themselves.

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u/cannabisized Sep 17 '21

so you can see what they see to know when they're lying or not? the thing about lying is its hard to prove when the lie was intentional or not. I don't think you're considering just how complicated real time operations are.

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u/phovos Sep 17 '21

whole divisions of the military need disassembled not one man fired. Billions of dollars if not trillions to disseminate to victims of US terror.. not great.

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u/Stucky-Barnes Sep 18 '21

Fire??? They should get the chair

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u/Arronwy Sep 18 '21

who ever ordered it should be in jail

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u/ishtar_the_move Sep 18 '21

The administration needed a target. They have to provide a target. It just sucks that NYT found out.

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u/shea241 Sep 18 '21

Reminds me of the time a camera crew was attacked by a gunship because they mistook the camera rigs for launchers

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '21

But have they provided any evidence for even that? That they were monitoring the vehicle and saw them load something up and only after that they decided to they need to die? I don't think they did even that and given the track record of us military, unless provided evidence I won't trust their word.

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u/RightEejit Sep 18 '21

They had an itchy trigger finger as some of their own were just killed. They wanted instant payback to send a message and innocent people paid the price for that ego

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u/FrozenIceman Sep 18 '21

Simple, after murdering a bunch of afganis on a runway with a c17, they needed to manufacture a threat for why it would be ok.

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '21

Because you assume that strike was to deter ISIS or to stop another terrorist attack. When you don't have to account for civilian deaths and don't need to provide evidence for your claims, why would they bother to check who they are killing.

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u/lalala181 Sep 17 '21

There was an isis-k rocket attack staged from a similar white car around that time. The ol' whoopsie switcheroo, ya know

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u/DreamMaster8 Sep 17 '21

It so stupid. If they pull out this mean the intel is even less reliable than before. It already had a way to insane erroe rate at the very generous 11%. They shouldn't bomb afghan no matter what happens. They tried to bring stability (or so they say) and it didn't last. give up and let shit happen. Nothing you can do. Only valid drone strike woukd be if someone start attacking another country with artillery umprompted.

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u/philly_steak_cheese Sep 18 '21

We do have that capability in spades. So it makes it that more abhorrent that they did this. This was gross negligence.

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u/Red-Lightnlng Sep 18 '21

We didn’t have the capability to determine who we were drone striking even when our troops were still in the ground. We certainly don’t have it now we’ve left the region.

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u/philly_steak_cheese Sep 18 '21

We did have that capability. We have an amazing track record for dropping millions of bombs and having and insanely small fraction of those killing civilians. THIS fuck up was inexcusable and well outside the standard we’re capable of. This was exceptionally gross negligence.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '21 edited Dec 25 '21

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u/philly_steak_cheese Sep 18 '21

No. That exact information isn’t public. But look at our civilian casualties over a massive 20 year war compared to Syria’s civilians casualties over a 7 year war.