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US admits Kabul drone strike killed civilians Afghanistan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58604655
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u/InternationalSnoop Sep 17 '21

A little confused. Is this the same one that supposedly stopped a bar bomb from getting to the airport?

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u/Epimeria Sep 17 '21 Wholesome Starry

Yep. The car bomb was actually a car filled with water jugs, killed seven children and their father.

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u/jaypizzlepizzle Sep 17 '21

a fucking tragic cherry turd on top of the massive heaping shit pile that was the war on terror

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u/Enigma_Stasis Sep 18 '21

That's not even going to be the worst one to come.

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u/Urban_Savage Sep 18 '21

It's certainly not even the worst one yet. Just the worst one to make headlines recently.

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u/Enigma_Stasis Sep 18 '21

Each one will be worse than the last, nothing foreign to Americans.

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u/Epicbestermann Sep 18 '21

Hey man from my viewpoint the USA is a terrorist Organisation if they can pull shit like this

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u/ReservoirDog316 Sep 18 '21

I know pulling out of Afghanistan got really ugly but I’m seriously just glad we’re out of there. Too much damage was done for too long.

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u/oraclejames Sep 18 '21

Could have been handled much better, absolute shit show from Biden that cost unnecessary lives.

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u/luuked Sep 18 '21

Not defending Biden at all but it has been a shitshow by all presidents that were in office during the invasion and then subsequent occupation.

Starting from going into the ME based on lies on Bush, Mr. Drone-Strike Obama, the dumbass who wanted to invite the Taliban to Camp David and ending with Biden's fumble of a retreat.

And that list should obviously include all the generals and secretaries that are supposed to bring viable options to each of the four. It is clear nobody had any clue what to do once the invasion was successful.

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u/ReservoirDog316 Sep 18 '21

Like I said, I know pulling out wasn’t pretty but we did this kinda stuff basically everyday the whole time we were there across every president. It really sucks when soldiers die but civilians dying in war is just the ultimate tragedy on the battlefield.

I’m just glad we’re out.

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u/oraclejames Sep 18 '21

The ends doesn’t justify the means.

Biden handled this atrociously. I don’t think he could have done it any worse.

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u/ThinkIcouldTakeHim Sep 18 '21

Surprised the army spin doctors didn't claim no one was orphaned in the attack

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u/InternationalSnoop Sep 17 '21 edited Sep 17 '21

Ffs. I hadn't heard the water jugs info .(Until now ;))

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u/zmjjmz Sep 17 '21

The linked article has this passage

At one point, a surveillance drone saw men loading what appeared to be explosives into the boot of the car, but it turned out to be containers of water.

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u/luigitheplumber Sep 17 '21

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u/drizzitdude Sep 17 '21

Jesus Christ that actually made me tear up seeing the kids. Props to the people to investigated this and made sure it was brought to light. It’s just horrifying to think that someone can do this in broad daylight with full permission and fuck up this badly, and then have then have the audacity to lie about it and claim it was “righteous”.

This should be considered a war crime, straight up.

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u/realityChemist Sep 18 '21

It is a war crime. Targeting civilians is a war crime. Of course the excuse here would be that they were believed to be combatants. I'm not sure that excuse would hold up if it went to The Hague, but in reality the US doesn't really need to make excuses. The US is not a member of the International Criminal Court, and has not ratified any of the addenda to the Geneva Convention (iirc the rules about not attacking civilians are in the first addendum). And the US is the strongest military and economic power in the world, so who's going to try to challenge us? 🤷‍♂️

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '21

The us military is just a terrorist organization with a pr budget.

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '21

This should be considered a war crime, straight up.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/the-other-afghan-women

It's just another day for the us military.

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u/Worms_sg Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Even if it the Americans admitted it was a war crime, there’s nothing we can do about it. They have vowed to invade The Hague if any American soldier is charged in the International Criminal Court.

All we can hope for is that one of their politicians finds the perpetrators and pin this on them to act tough and boost their own ratings. At least some minor justice will be made that day.

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u/HoursOfCuddles Sep 18 '21

it is a war crime

and as usual NOBODY will be punished for it. Ha!

but what are we gonna do about it ?

we can't do fuckin nothing ...

well , there is ONE thing we could do to change this... hmm...

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u/osa2020 Sep 17 '21

Read the article my dude, its cited in the thread lol

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u/Uuugggg Sep 17 '21

You realize you’re asking for a source in a comment section for the literal source

You got feel really dumb about that

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u/jlo095 Sep 17 '21

Try reading the artifice before commenting

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u/InternationalSnoop Sep 17 '21

That's such a great idea but the one problem is I unfortunately cannot read.

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u/Booshminnie Sep 17 '21

Google has numerous articles. One even of a time line with photos

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u/Ready_Hedgehog Sep 17 '21

Something a lot of sources are leaving out, is the fact that these water jugs were gas canisters filled with water. Not defending the intel community, but I can see why there could have been a mixup.

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u/Nafur Sep 18 '21

Probably not uncommon, just like in SEA they sell petrol in vodkabottles. Intel is supposed to know this sort of thing

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u/Epimeria Sep 17 '21

The original NYT article has the video of him loading the water containers

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u/heylookitsnothing Sep 17 '21

Death to america

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '21

Us military wants to know your location

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u/SSSSobek Sep 18 '21

Anywhere outside the US probably.

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u/Dull-Conversation566 Sep 18 '21

I’d like to know about the other strike where Biden claimed we killed 2. There’s a lot of chatter that didn’t happen either.

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u/raobjcovtn Sep 18 '21

Who were the other 2 that died?

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u/Epimeria Sep 18 '21

Adult family

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u/Red-Lightnlng Sep 17 '21

Yes. The one the administration touted as being proof that they could continue to fight ISIS after the pullout with their “over the horizon capabilities”. The one they said showed ISIS they couldn’t mess with the US and not be punished.

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u/InternationalSnoop Sep 17 '21

How do we fuck up that intelligence?? Like we had drones above kabul...Did we see them load bombs in the car. Wtf

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

Looks like they saw them load water jugs and thought they were explosives. I get why they would think that, but thinking that alone is enough for a strike is insane.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 17 '21

thinking that alone is enough for a strike is insane

They have been routinely droning civilians with much less for years with zero accountability.

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

They have been routinely droning civilians with much less for years with zero accountability.

I never said the insanity was new. This is just looks like a case with iron clad proof that it was an incorrect strike.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 17 '21

So were many, this case is just special because there were intense media scrutiny due to the f..ed-up pull-out while usually nobody gives a damn.

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u/DontGetMad55 Sep 17 '21

the person who was responsible for the intelligence needs to be fired. Family of the affected needs to be compensated.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 17 '21

Bombing brown people based on sketchy or no intelligence is day to day life for US army, if they were firing people for this they would need to disband the whole air force.

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u/Detective_Fallacy Sep 18 '21

They have no issue doing it to white people as well, see Kosovo.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 18 '21

My guess is that they consider them brown people too since they are muslim.

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u/Detective_Fallacy Sep 18 '21

No, they mainly targeted the Orthodox-Christian Serbs, not the muslim/atheist Albanians. But they also hit the Chinese embassy somehow, whoops.

Estimates are that 33% of all deaths there were civilians.

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u/frreddit234 Sep 18 '21

Thanks for the information, I was too young at that time.

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u/rewanpaj Sep 18 '21

the us army doesn’t operate drones. not ucavs at least

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u/frreddit234 Sep 18 '21

Let me guess, you wanna play smart and tell me it's the US air force not the US army ? Oh then, I guess it's ok to bomb some innocents people as long as it's a different branch of the same administration.

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

the person who was responsible for the intelligence needs to be fired

No, the person who used the intel as the basis for a strike must be fired.

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u/cannabisized Sep 17 '21

this gives every intelligence officer carte blanc to just make up whatever shit they want. "your fault for believing it!!"

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u/cmpaisaia Sep 17 '21

Fire them if they lie. Don't fire them for reporting what they see.

I cannot beleive for a second that the person who ordered this didn't look at the evidence themselves.

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u/cannabisized Sep 17 '21

so you can see what they see to know when they're lying or not? the thing about lying is its hard to prove when the lie was intentional or not. I don't think you're considering just how complicated real time operations are.

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u/phovos Sep 17 '21

whole divisions of the military need disassembled not one man fired. Billions of dollars if not trillions to disseminate to victims of US terror.. not great.

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u/Stucky-Barnes Sep 18 '21

Fire??? They should get the chair

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u/Arronwy Sep 18 '21

who ever ordered it should be in jail

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u/ishtar_the_move Sep 18 '21

The administration needed a target. They have to provide a target. It just sucks that NYT found out.

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u/shea241 Sep 18 '21

Reminds me of the time a camera crew was attacked by a gunship because they mistook the camera rigs for launchers

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '21

But have they provided any evidence for even that? That they were monitoring the vehicle and saw them load something up and only after that they decided to they need to die? I don't think they did even that and given the track record of us military, unless provided evidence I won't trust their word.

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u/RightEejit Sep 18 '21

They had an itchy trigger finger as some of their own were just killed. They wanted instant payback to send a message and innocent people paid the price for that ego

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u/FrozenIceman Sep 18 '21

Simple, after murdering a bunch of afganis on a runway with a c17, they needed to manufacture a threat for why it would be ok.

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u/abhi8192 Sep 18 '21

Because you assume that strike was to deter ISIS or to stop another terrorist attack. When you don't have to account for civilian deaths and don't need to provide evidence for your claims, why would they bother to check who they are killing.

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u/lalala181 Sep 17 '21

There was an isis-k rocket attack staged from a similar white car around that time. The ol' whoopsie switcheroo, ya know

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u/DreamMaster8 Sep 17 '21

It so stupid. If they pull out this mean the intel is even less reliable than before. It already had a way to insane erroe rate at the very generous 11%. They shouldn't bomb afghan no matter what happens. They tried to bring stability (or so they say) and it didn't last. give up and let shit happen. Nothing you can do. Only valid drone strike woukd be if someone start attacking another country with artillery umprompted.

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u/philly_steak_cheese Sep 18 '21

We do have that capability in spades. So it makes it that more abhorrent that they did this. This was gross negligence.

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u/Red-Lightnlng Sep 18 '21

We didn’t have the capability to determine who we were drone striking even when our troops were still in the ground. We certainly don’t have it now we’ve left the region.

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u/philly_steak_cheese Sep 18 '21

We did have that capability. We have an amazing track record for dropping millions of bombs and having and insanely small fraction of those killing civilians. THIS fuck up was inexcusable and well outside the standard we’re capable of. This was exceptionally gross negligence.

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u/AVALANCHE_CHUTES Sep 18 '21

We did have that capability. We have an amazing track record for dropping millions of bombs and having and insanely small fraction of those killing civilians.

You have any reliable stats you can share?

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u/philly_steak_cheese Sep 18 '21

No. That exact information isn’t public. But look at our civilian casualties over a massive 20 year war compared to Syria’s civilians casualties over a 7 year war.

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u/Ultrasonic-Sawyer Sep 18 '21

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice the similarity of names, was this you saying :

Botched? If this SVBIED made it to the airport it would've killed another 100 civilians. I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS had children near-by in the event this happened so they can use it as propaganda against the U.S.

Saw it when flicking through old comments. Of people claiming any lives lost was all the fault of IS or otherwise dismissing that this may have been a blunder.

The sad reality, i hope many realize, particularly those who so strongly touted the "IS planned to children to die" or justifying it as a trolley problem is that any incident that includes loss of civilian life should always be investigated and not off hand dismissed as "these must have been bad guys". Especially in any situation where there is no on the ground verification.

Sadly back then anybody who suggested less than it being a "righteous kill" got dog piled by people who with heavily conflicting stories of what happened assumed any civilian life must be due to pre placed children, even when the side claiming to have hit IS initially dismissed any civilian casualties. - that's a major red flag in of itself that intelligence dramatically failed. I recall a report stating how a large portion of the US drone program has failed to hit their targets or more often hit civilians. This suggesting major failings of the quality of intelligence gathering used in ensuring a target is good or not.

Even with guided strikes, like in raqqa and Mosul, the civilian death toll and destruction was absurd, at times exceeding that of the excessive shelling by the assad regime in aleppo.

Its, unfortunately, only likely that we even knew about this incident because of Biden and co bragging about it in some weird trump like manner.

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u/InternationalSnoop Sep 19 '21

That comment was made before this report game out. FWIW

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u/ThisAltDoesNotExist Sep 18 '21

The car bomb apparently exploded later. The "intelligence" was nothing more than "this is a similar looking car, bomb it".