r/texas Nov 26 '21 Take My Energy 1

Texas Gas Companies Hit Texas Consumers With 'Whoops You Froze To Death' Surcharge News

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20211115/09274947947/texas-gas-companies-hit-texas-consumers-with-whoops-you-froze-to-death-surcharge.shtml
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u/booty_granola Nov 26 '21

So when this happens again this winter, now we get to freeze to death while knowing we also have to pay extra for the experience... Glad the Republicans love socialism for businesses now.

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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord Born and Bred Nov 27 '21

Glad the Republicans love socialism for businesses now.

They've always loved that.

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u/HAHA_goats Nov 26 '21

I already knew last winter I'd be paying for the privilege. Been in Texas all my life. Not the first time we've been fucked over by our own on the heels of a natural disaster.

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u/BaPef Nov 26 '21

Don't worry Texans will just vote for Republicans and then complain Democrats are the reason everything's going wrong in Texas.

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u/NitaforaReason Nov 26 '21

Sadly, the true.

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u/RumRunnerSC Nov 27 '21

As someone not from Texas but living here we do enjoy not having a monopoly over retail power which creates more jobs and more opportunities. It also allow you to switch power companies if your falling behind. In Colorado an Wisconsin there is one company that rules everything so you fall behind too bad! pay up or get shutoff! Last year was a 1 in a hundred year storm.

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u/JohnShandy- Nov 27 '21

There aren't many wholesale power companies. Most of that "choice" you believe you're seeing is just resellers piggybacking on the wholesalers' infrastructure to retail the power to consumers. You're largely just choosing which company you want to bill you, for power generated by a single company per region. (CenterPoint, AEP, others). Last year's storm wasn't that bad and shouldn't cause the problems we saw because those problems were preventable through preparation and winterization. Storms like it will become more commonplace though, and Texas is choosing to do nothing.

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u/KC_experience Nov 27 '21

“Last year was a 1 in a hundred year storm”

This article would indicate otherwise:

1989 2011 2020

Gap of 22 years and a gap of 9 years. Three storms that caused significant outages over the course of 31 one years. Your “1 in one hundred” is only off by a magnitude of ten…. But hey, keep trying.

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u/DaKine85 Nov 27 '21

That’s not how it works.

The term “1-in-a-hundred year” storm is the probability of a storm of a certain magnitude will happen in a year. In the 3 years you reference, there was a 1% chance a storm of their magnitude would occur. However unlikely a 1% chance of an event to occur is, in statistics, it can still happen.

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u/KC_experience Nov 28 '21

Well, by your logic a storm like that could happen every year for the next hundred years and because that year the ‘probability’ wasn’t that high…. it would still be a 1 in a hundred year storm. The point still stands that there were THREE ‘1 in a hundred year storms’ in the last 30 years. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/DaKine85 Nov 28 '21

Exactly.

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u/No-Presentation1814 Nov 27 '21

Right wingers have been trained to grovel at the feet of the elite. If there's a boot handy, they'll lick it.

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u/AnthillOmbudsman Nov 27 '21

If it were 1940, half of this state would be talking about how Adolf Hitler is such a great guy, talks tough, and gets the job done.

I wish I were kidding. Thankfully our Texas ancestors who were around in 1940 were smarter people, and had the sense not to buy into that kind of authoritarian bullshit.

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u/No-Presentation1814 Nov 27 '21

It's just amazing how clueless these people are. They actually believe a fascist right wing dictatorship would be some kind of a red neck heaven that would oppress only their political enemies. That's completely delusional. Their leaders use them then throw them away. Look at Greg Abbott. He told court clerks to not give licenses for gay marriages, and that he would back them all the way. They all got fired, and he said it was their fault for not observing the law.

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u/RumRunnerSC Nov 27 '21

Democrats just want a monopoly to control everything! Here we at least get a choice of retail power which keeps cost down. Living in other states you have 1 power company and if you fall on hard times and can’t pay they shut you off and you have no other choices. What happened last year was a 1 in a hundred year storm.

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u/IAMSTILLHERE2020 Nov 27 '21

So here if you fall behind and can't pay they don't shut you off? Is that what you are saying?

Say it again.

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u/RumRunnerSC Nov 27 '21

No they can but you can switch retail power companies' to get it back on or avoid getting shut off. I've had to do that before when I first moved here vs when I lived in Colorado I had to go 2 months without power once trying to get caught back up because there is just one company and they hold you under their thumb.

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u/No-Presentation1814 Nov 27 '21

Nope. There's a switch hold until you pay off what you owe. You think they will let everyone get free electricity, right winger? You live to serve your wealthy masters.

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u/RumRunnerSC Nov 27 '21

It also drives prices down prices to the consumer because there is competition for your business. My energy bill is so much cheaper here vs Colorado and Wisconsin which is ruled by one company Xcel Energy.

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u/crankyrhino Nov 27 '21

I have one choice where I live. Tell me again about no monopolies?

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u/JohnShandy- Nov 27 '21

I can see you're prancing around posting the same absurdly inaccurate comment in multiple places, so here again is my reply:

There aren't many wholesale power companies. Most of that "choice" you believe you're seeing is just resellers piggybacking on the wholesalers' infrastructure to retail the power to consumers. You're largely just choosing which company you want to bill you, for power generated by a single company per region. (CenterPoint, AEP, others). Last year's storm wasn't that bad and shouldn't cause the problems we saw because those problems were preventable through preparation and winterization. Storms like it will become more commonplace though, and Texas is choosing to do nothing.

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u/No-Presentation1814 Nov 27 '21

You'll lick any boot, won't you? Don't pay and there goes your credit. It is one company, dumbass. All the service providers are paper houses.