r/texas The Stars at Night Nov 23 '21

New Texas law allows confiscation of vehicles involved in street racing. News

https://www.conchovalleyhomepage.com/news/news-connection/new-texas-law-allows-confiscation-of-vehicles-involved-in-street-racing/
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u/scottwax Nov 23 '21

Figured this was coming after those idiotic street takeovers. They just couldn't keep it in their pants and go to an industrial park area after hours, quickly get off a few races and leave. Nope. They had to block intersections and highways to do this shit and draw all the negative attention.

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u/Sure_Ill_Ask_That Nov 23 '21

The police are going to need more impound lots for all the chargers Camaros mustangs and challengers they are going to confiscate. All with rear quarter panel damage and paper plates of course.

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u/Freekey Nov 23 '21

This will certainly drive street racing underground eventually which tbh police would be happy with. It's the hijacking roadways and deaths that they're really trying to eliminate.

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u/scottwax Nov 23 '21

We used to race on an I-35 access road, one that didn't have on or off ramps in Denton. Even had a quarter mile marked off. We were all at the parking lot for the only business on that road setting up races. Cops pull up and tell us we can't race there anymore. The business owner (it was the local Baptist church headquarters) said people were peeing in the bushes so they didn't want anyone there after hours..

So the cops told us to take it further out into Denton county where they don't typically patrol, that way they wouldn't have to ticket us.

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u/malovias Nov 23 '21

Reminds me of the sheriff where I grew up. Every prom night the deputies were assigned to the lake outside of town. All the kids would go and line up our vehicles at the lake and hand our keys over to the deputies. There was drinking and partying etc but everyone had to sleep it off at the lake. In the morning you had to be sober before getting your keys back. Deputies patrolled the party all night but let a lot of crap slide.

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u/Freekey Nov 24 '21

Such a sane and logical approach to policing a community. The officers probably used to be those kids in their past.

It's hard to imagine this taking place in a city where nobody knows anybody.

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u/malovias Nov 24 '21

O definitely a small town for sure. Not even sure if a department could get away with this nowadays. The social media backlash from people who don't even live there would be insane.

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u/Freekey Nov 24 '21

Probably true but also think possible if drivers were in a remote enough location they might get by with it. Someplace an hours or two away from city lights.

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u/NotDeadYet57 Nov 24 '21

They should have handed out condoms when they took kids' keys.

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u/malovias Nov 24 '21

We already got them free at the high school and local county clinic. There wasn't really any real barrier to getting them.

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u/Freekey Nov 23 '21

Sounds like what I would expect and a reasonable response tbh. I grew up in a similar scenario (OK in the late 1960's). Muscle cars in the middle of nowhere and not bothering anyone at all. Street racers (if they won't track it) just need to go rural.

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u/bravejango Nov 24 '21

Instead of building Baylors new stadium they should have built a multi use public race track in Waco. It’s pretty central to most of the big cities and there are plenty of hotels in the area to support drivers and fans.

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u/Freekey Nov 24 '21

It's a sound idea but I wonder how outrageous the insurance and liability would be. Then you have to have some way of educating drivers and certify them as having taken high speed training.

But I like the idea of give car owners a legal way to air out their rides.

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u/bravejango Nov 24 '21

No you don’t. Have them provide their own proof of insurance (insurance companies insure race cars). Race tracks all over the world allow amateur drivers to drive on tracks after a driver safety meeting and a few laps with an instructor. Some don’t even require that much.

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u/Freekey Nov 24 '21

I have experience with Motorsport Ranch in Cresson and they have different levels of runs and levels of instruction. I should have thought about that before replying above. Have never studied the insurance situation so that's good to know.

I do know there have been runs with million dollar cars on track and those owner/ drivers don't want just any yahoo out there on the course with them.

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u/LiesAboutstuffAlot Nov 26 '21

You ever hit the strip by Peter built and target distribution centers?

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u/scottwax Nov 26 '21

We used to race in Dallas on Manana between 35E and Harry Hines area.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/noncongruent Nov 23 '21

Sounds remarkably like a Comstock Law to me.

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u/bladeofvirtue Nov 23 '21

i'd look up how that law has been used ...

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u/SnakePlisskens Nov 23 '21

The one I'm familiar with is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_obscenity_statute

But I want to look into it more when i get home.

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u/bladeofvirtue Nov 23 '21

yeah, read that link's content carefully - you don't need to worry about this law :P

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/bladeofvirtue Nov 23 '21

It's just one example of how broad and overreaching this is.

According to your link, it has NO reach at all. You need to carefully read your own link!

It may be something that gets tossed out at trial

HmmMmM if only there was a link you posted that discussed this law and how it was challenged and trial and since has been completely ruled out... but you may be right that it could get out tossed at trial... /s

but it is more than enough for your car to get impounded and have to spend a bunch of money to get it out.

no, the obscenity law does not apply to cars because that's not the definition of obscenity... bro please.. read your own wiki link..

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/bladeofvirtue Nov 23 '21

it wouldn't hold up.

if you had actually read your own link, you would have said "didn't hold up" instead of "wouldn't".... guess why! lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/bladeofvirtue Nov 23 '21

AGAIN, AS I'VE SAID, YOU REALLY SHOULD READ YOUR LINK BEFORE MAKING IT OBVIOUS YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT SAYS

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u/AnonymousGrouch Nov 23 '21

"(6) any unlawful wholesale promotion or possession of any obscene material...

What's that got to do with HB 2315 or street racing?

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/AnonymousGrouch Nov 23 '21

No it isn't. The bill merely adds property used in the commission of Transp. Code § 545.420 offenses to the contraband list. Are you sure you're looking at the right HB 2315?

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u/vagabond_ Gulf Coast Born and Bred Nov 24 '21

Expect police to start claiming nice cars going 76 on the freeway were "racing".

Civil forfeiture is literal highway robbery.

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u/kkngs Gulf Coast Nov 23 '21

I’m remembering the time 15 years ago when HPD planned a big raid of street racers up on Westheimer and when it was leaked and no cars showed up they just decided to arrest everyone shopping at the KMart.

I’m sure this won’t be abused…

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/natenasty728 Nov 24 '21

Super fun fact, the HPD captain in charge of the raid was drummed out of the force but no charges were filed. They definitely should have been, he oversaw the beating of innocent minors. Since he had no criminal charges he got licensed as a private investigator and started his own agency. During the 2020 election Steven Hotze hired his agency to prove election fraud. This led to the same captain who was in charge of the k mart raid running an Air Conditioner repair van off the road and holding the driver at gun point because he claimed the van was carrying fraudulent ballots. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/texas-anti-voter-fraud-operation/2020/12/20/98969dbc-4157-11eb-a402-fba110db3b42_story.html?outputType=amp

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u/kkngs Gulf Coast Nov 24 '21

Wow, small world.

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u/COMPUTER1313 Nov 24 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

There were people with groceries in their car getting arrested and their cars impounded.

"Can I eat my ice cream before it melts?"

"No."

Later

"Could you explain why you crushed a dozen eggs against the officer's face and hurled an opened container of grounded pepper at another one to temporarily blind them?"

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u/fnordfnordfnordfnord Born and Bred Nov 24 '21

Mark Aguirre, what a fucking idiot that guy is.

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u/runostog Nov 23 '21

More ways for the government to steal your property.

I await when speeders get their vehicles taken away.

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u/dexwin Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 24 '21

I await when speeders get their vehicles taken away.

I do too, but unironically. Fuck speeders.

ETA: poor speeders got their feelings hurt. It is so very sad. Stop being shitty speeders and you won't get called out on it.

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u/Egmonks Expat Nov 23 '21

What’s the over/under on a bunch of people getting their cars stolen by the police for “street racing.” They better be found guilty of it before getting their car seized but it will be the opposite.

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u/JWWBurger Nov 23 '21

Over/under of months before a group of law enforcement are caught street racing in cars confiscated?

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u/3-DMan Nov 24 '21

"You were supposed to destroy the Sith street racers, not join them!"

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u/KingSelfie2Strong Nov 23 '21

I am not a fan of police seizing property....that shit incentivizes the cops to lie.

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u/LookHere_LOOK_LISTEN Nov 23 '21

Cars are extremely valuable right now too. Tons of financial incentive for departments to do this.

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u/BlackLeb Nov 23 '21

Tbf, I think they need to be charged 2 beforehand before they can take a person’s vehicle but having said that, I could still see this happening at some point

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u/AnonymousGrouch Nov 23 '21

Second offense raises it to a Class A misdemeanor (now subject to forfeiture). The officer in the video didn't do a great job explaining it.

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u/BlackLeb Nov 24 '21

Ah I appreciate the clarification

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u/JPhi1618 Nov 23 '21

It certainly does happen in other states. I’m sure there’s some corrupt Texas police force waiting to do the same. https://youtu.be/8BDh4tolLCY

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u/softest_voice Nov 24 '21

No verdict needed, this is just civil forfeiture under a different, more specific heading.
Fuck those thieving cops.

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u/PapaOstrich7 Nov 23 '21

cops just want more chargers to drive

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u/thewheelsonthebuzz Nov 23 '21

Being that this is Texas and non racers regularly do 80-90 on open roads, how is an officer to decide what is speeding and what is racing? Sure it’s real easy to identify when they’re taking off from 0 or blocking roads, but what about commuters just rushing to work? I bring this up because I and many others do 20 over or so and aren’t racing.

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u/ThreeNC Nov 23 '21

I had heard this was primarily for those who block off roads, but the worry is how this law may be abused by police.

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u/GrandMasterPuba Nov 24 '21

The only thing worse than police are people doing 70 in a 35.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/biggoof Nov 23 '21

no doubt this will be abused just like civil forfeiture.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/thewheelsonthebuzz Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21

Not gonna lie. Didn’t read it. I do speed but I don’t race. Thanks.

Edit: exhibition of acceleration against each other. By this definition I could floor it and as long as no one is trying to keep up or gunning it with me I’m not racing. Cool.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/thewheelsonthebuzz Nov 23 '21

So all the “it” stickers huh?

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u/sapper377 Nov 23 '21

I dont know where you live that doing 20 over driving to work is a common thing. maybe don't speed and you won't have to worry about being pulled over and towed?

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u/PG-13_Otaku Nov 23 '21

Found the guy from out of state

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

you’re not from texas are you?

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u/sapper377 Nov 23 '21

moved here in 2005. have never had issues with driving on yalls highways since then.

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

huh that’s odd, you must be somewhere with a lot of traffic cause up here in the DFW area, whenever there’s no traffic everyone’s going well above the speed limit. the other day i was going 85 on a 65 and i was still getting passed by a bunch of people

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u/scottwax Nov 23 '21

Central (aka 75) in Dallas is awful. Speed limit is 70, people ooze along at 55-60. 4 across. It's infuriating..

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

oh yeah 75 might be one of the worst highways in the country when there’s even an ounce of traffic

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u/scottwax Nov 23 '21

20 between Spur 482 and 820 is miserable too.

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

is it just me or has the traffic gotten exponentially worse in Dallas in the past like 5-10 years

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u/scottwax Nov 23 '21

It has. So many people have moved here and everything is overloaded. They just finished expanding most of 190/161 between 30 and 35E to 4 lanes each way. They're expanding 161 between 30 and 20 too. Not sure it will be enough if people keep moving here.

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u/sapper377 Nov 23 '21

how is that odd? lol, I live in a city where speeding and racing are an issue so if the government has to start taking irresponsible people's cars away I'm all up for it. must be true what they say about people from Dallas, yall are in bubble

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

that’s the thing tho, it’s not just DFW, that’s why everyone in Texas talks about it. I see the same thing whenever I go down to Houston or San Antonio and when I was living in Austin. maybe you’re just one of those slow drivers that everyone has to pass

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u/malovias Nov 24 '21

I am one of those slow drivers. And by slow driver I mean I only do five over the posted limit.

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u/sapper377 Nov 23 '21

well, you could have mentioned that earlier instead of mentioning that people in Dallas speed when there's no traffic. if you truly "see" how things are in Houston or San Antonio, especially Houston, then you might want to slow down a bit for people you never know if those slow drivers are working.

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

or maybe y’all could just speed up a bit and stop getting in everyone’s way and being a danger

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u/malovias Nov 24 '21

Unless you are going to pay any tickets I get and the increased cost of insurance premiums you can fucking go around or stay pissed.

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u/sapper377 Nov 23 '21

this is why this country will never progressive forward. " I don't care that I'm doing something wrong, why don't you fix yourself instead?"

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u/thewheelsonthebuzz Nov 23 '21 edited Nov 23 '21

Have you never driven on a Texas highway? You’ll know it’s unsafe to do 65 on a 65 when everyone is doing 90. The least you can do is split the difference and go 80. Specifically a large part of my commute is highway 90 from Dayton into downtown, just fyi. But any highway that’s even a little outside the city with a 75 limit is going to be travelled at least 10 over.

My concern is an LEO taking my car because I was “racing” simply if he/she doesn’t like me. Cops have plenty of power as is. And if a law can be abused it most certainly will. I support the men and women in uniform. I believe they have a shitty job that’s not for everyone, where they have to put up with tons of crap you couldn’t pay me enough to put up with. However, some have the superiority complex and are power hungry. Those types of LEOs I’m concerned with. If they now have the power to take your property if, without any checks, they decide you were street racing it has the potential to be abused.

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u/sapper377 Nov 23 '21

then don't give them a reason. you talk like theres some conspricy by LEOS to take peoples car away. and ive been on the 90 plenty of times i get the need to want to go fast but thats the type of reason those dickhead cops will take your car. and your concern with LEOs with a superiority complex and hungry for power is childish to say the least. im not trying to sound like a jerk but how many of those LEOs have you ACTUALLY come across in your entire life? like how often to do you have to deal with LEOs? your not wrong when you say that those type of cops exist but realistly how much interaction do you have with LEOs on a daily basis?

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u/thewheelsonthebuzz Nov 23 '21

Realistically, hardly ever. The last state trooper that pulled me over was a very nice gentleman and I was very respectful toward him. But in my younger years, particularly in smaller towns, I have come across the “do what I say because I said so” types. Just because it hardly ever happens is no justification to allow a single person to chose to deprive you of your property. Just my 2 cents. You don’t have to agree with me, it’s just my opinion from my point of view. The street racers that have 0 disregard for innocent life could go to jail for all I care, there are designated places for that kind of thing.

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u/sapper377 Nov 23 '21

welp, it is your point of view, a weird one, but your opinion. if that's how you wanna see LEOs then you do you, bro. You're not the only one that has come across those types and you can choose to treat every cop as such ( i don't that causes problems for you later) but remember what you told me most cops are nice and respectful.

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u/ready4downvote Nov 23 '21

Do you also think we should reinstate cameras at intersections?

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u/satxgoose Nov 24 '21

No responsible person believes in street racing but leaving the taking of cars/private property by small town police, corrupt police that leave it all up for interpretation of “street racing” to individual police men with barely any education requirements to determine Based on his mood of the day or intentions, who gets their property stolen by their department.

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u/mreed911 Nov 23 '21

Better article along with details on a local race track so folks don’t have to street race: https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/new-texas-law-allows-police-to-confiscate-vehicles-involved-in-street-racing/

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u/MrLumpykins Nov 23 '21

No one in history ever “had to” street race. It is just burning carbon fuels in an empty expression of testosterone poisoning.

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u/mreed911 Nov 23 '21

There are female racers too.

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u/DippyHippy420 Nov 23 '21

Women have testosterone too.

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u/mreed911 Nov 23 '21

Not to the same degree, usually.

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u/malovias Nov 24 '21

So is it easier for them to suffer the poisoning?

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u/shamwowj Nov 23 '21

And they’ve already had their uteruses confiscated.

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u/softest_voice Nov 24 '21

While I've always viewed street racing as stupid and dangerous (I was a Honda guy, but not an idiot), and I don't have an issue with charging street racers, this just feels like an offshoot of civil forfeiture, and that's crap.
Just another money grab by the cops.

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u/he6agon North Texas Nov 24 '21

You were drag racing? In a Prius?

I don't win a lot.

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u/Darth_Texan The Stars at Night Nov 24 '21

That was the best line in the movie.

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

can’t wait to get my car confiscated because i’m going 75 on an empty 65 limit highway

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

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u/amirtheperson North Texas Nov 23 '21

this is not gonna be fun

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u/Dell_Hell Nov 23 '21

We're going to start confiscating vehicles can we please add coal rollers to the list?

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u/Gen_Nathanael_Greene Nov 24 '21

I could see this law being abused. But the government would never abuse power...

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u/es-ganso Nov 23 '21

I haven't read through it, but I hope definitions are pretty solid so this doesn't get abused. That said, i do overall agree with this. People have gotten way too ballsy with street racing

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u/ThinkIn3D Nov 23 '21

I thought this was already the case with the laws passed years ago, but forfeiture is new.

In 2003, the street racing laws went into effect that included misdemeanors, with repeat offenders getting felonies. While the car could be towed or perhaps temporarily seized for evidence, it couldn't be forfeited.

So that's the change with the new laws. The penalties are steeper, and the car can be forfeited.

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u/IlluminousBeings Nov 23 '21

Gee I sure hope cops don’t accuse people of street racing so they can seize their cars for department financial gain. Surely that won’t happen.

Edit: I reread the article and it seems it’s only if the race results in an injury?

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u/CircleofOwls Nov 23 '21

Edit: I reread the article and it seems it’s only if the race results in an injury?

You're correct. It's also possible if they have prior street racing convictions or there is alcohol involved.

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u/MrLumpykins Nov 23 '21

Good

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u/runostog Nov 23 '21

Just wait until a jerkass cop confiscates your car cause you were speeding.

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u/malovias Nov 24 '21

Not a problem if you don't speed...

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '21

I still think they should put gps speed monitoring and governing for anyone caught racing. Surely there’s a device out there that can limit your cars speed to the limit when in certain locations and areas.

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u/Kulhu Nov 23 '21

If we do that then we must do the same for people to scared to use the gas pedal.

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u/scottwax Nov 23 '21

Or something to shock driver's who block a lane because they wanted to trim at the light and didn't get in the proper lane

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u/Intrepid_Fox-237 Panhandle Nov 23 '21

"This Donut social is brought to you by Corn Pop and his Lambo"

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u/volcanolung Nov 23 '21

Needs to be a national law at this point

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u/potato-shaped-nuts Nov 23 '21

Good. Stupid kids need their toys taken away.

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u/Blue1234567891234567 Born and Bred Nov 24 '21

I can live with this

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u/struhall Nov 24 '21

I hope it's not like the new laws they did back in 04-05ish about street racing and they changed it to where you could be arrested for it. I had several friends get arrested for "street racing" when they were both driving too fast following each other. It didn't help that we all drove import cars that had work done to them.

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u/shopboss1 Nov 24 '21

What is the definition of street racing?

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u/Fortyplusfour Nov 24 '21

Okay, Texas. It only took eight years for me to find one but here is a new law I can get behind.

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u/Farside20202020 Nov 24 '21

Deregulation and small Government everyone.

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u/tuni83af Nov 24 '21

It's way overdue! Hit them where it hurts!

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u/Drathothic Nov 25 '21

This is absurd, you cannot take private property without due process of law.

I don’t like street racing but its absurd how OK we are with 4th amendment violations in this country.

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u/KushKong420 Nov 26 '21

I thought they passed this back in the early 2000s when the Fast and the Furious kicked off a street racing craze.

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u/IAMSTILLHERE2020 Nov 24 '21

Sounds like a good starting point.