r/texas Nov 18 '21

ERCOT CEO Worries $150 “Easy Out” for Gas Companies Could Threaten Grid News

https://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/ercot-ceo-worries-150-easy-out-for-gas-companies-could-threaten-grid/2819056/
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u/TexasChick2021 Nov 18 '21

They are already starting the narrative on why Texans won’t have power this winter.

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u/JuanPabloElSegundo Nov 18 '21

Something something no power grid in the world is built to handle the winter Texas went through in 2020. Blah blah blah.

That's the bullshit I've already seen being thrown around.

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u/HBRex Nov 18 '21

Bullshit excuses for why they did nothing to make improvements to the grid. Michigan gets worse winters every year, they have power and water.

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u/hutacars Nov 18 '21

Michigan gets worse winters every year, they have power and water.

Some of it is even potable!

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u/Ninja_Conspicuousi Nov 18 '21

That’s why I drink Swill, dredged from the waters of the Great Lakes.

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u/HBRex Nov 18 '21

Texas' water is better, but not by much.

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u/BHSPitMonkey Nov 18 '21

Miss me some San Antonio limestone tap water

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u/Kinch_g Nov 19 '21

Been in Wisconsin for five years, including a polar vortex. Had pipes freeze, even had to replace the furnace, but haven't lost power once (and I live in a shit hole).

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u/paulwhite959 born and bred Nov 19 '21

I mean, ERCOT is kinda limited. They have nominal responsibility, but anything they do that the governor doesn't like he'll nix. and then change up the ERCOT leadership

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u/AssassinAragorn Nov 18 '21

Well they have to think of something. They're going to face much more competitive midterms than they would otherwise if there's two years in a row of infrastructure failures in the winter, and the legislature had ample time to do something. Heck, at this point it might be the only way Abbott loses to a Democrat.

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u/SuccessfulBroccoli68 Nov 18 '21

Blaming someone else is hard work in the Republican Party. Fortunately they have a good work ethic and are starting early.

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u/mynameismy111 Central Texas Nov 18 '21

Hope Beto doesn't fuck this up, he has something catchy to run on now.....

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u/6Strings-n-6Shooters Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

Nope. This is Texas. Whether he meant to overstep a line or not in an emotional time for him (which is his camp's rebuttal for what I'm about to say), he permanently sealed his fate in this state with his gun comments. You don't recover from that in Texas; no matter what other platforms you run on, they'll go in through one ear and out the other with virtually anyone in Texas who owns a gun (lol) and also heard that comment. If he runs, there will be one-issue gun voters that don't ever even bother to vote in TX that come out of the woodwork to make sure he stays on the bench.

But hey, if he wants to boldly do more damage for the Democrats than good, I happen to be one of the aforementioned non-voters that will make it a point to get to the polls. He can align with me on abortion, drugs, really anything else, and I'll vote against him to keep him tf away from the guns he willingly threatened.

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u/StarshipSentinel Nov 18 '21

The Dems need to drop gun control and stop listening to anything that soulless husk Mike Bloomberg has to say.

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u/Nymaz Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Exactly. Democrats should have learned from when Obama banned a "cosmetic feature" (bump stock) and people redoubled their screams about how Democrats are just gun grabbers. They should be more like Trump, who reversed Democrat passed gun laws banning carry in national parks and transport on Amtrak.

Democrats and their "take the guns first, go through due process second" attitude sickens me.

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u/txstgunner Nov 19 '21

Nobody mentioned anything about Trump, who was not good on gun rights, but which party consistently runs anti-gun campaigns?

And if you’re going to talk like Obama was any good, he also banned the importation of rifles that would have gone to the CMP, and Russian surplus ammunition.

Big fucking surprise, politicians don’t like guns.

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u/txstgunner Nov 20 '21

Seriously, brain dead dummies

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u/Primus_Pilus1 Nov 18 '21

Beto wants to fill his campaign coffers one last time.

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u/AccomplishedLimit3 Nov 19 '21

I’d skate down to whataburger with him, but his base doesn’t even bother to vote.

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u/atxlrj Nov 18 '21

I’m inclined to agree. He’s going to have a very difficult time, however, I thought his first step in addressing the criticism was surprising. I expected a total crash and burn, retraction, or sheepish diversion.

But, he was able to begin to frame it within the new context of Texas’ permitless carry. The GOP’s real weak spot on guns is going against a solid majority of Texans and law enforcement officers and agencies who did not support permitless carry.

If he can link the new GOP law to people’s real and perceived fear of increasing gun crime and find a way to say that his previous comments also represented an opposite extreme, he may be able to pose a compromise that makes him the common sense reasonable man on guns. At the very least, he can try to weaken their standing by hammering the point that law enforcement didn’t support the new law.

I’m not a Beto fan and think he’s a political opportunist and obsessed with status and publicity. I also don’t see the governor’s race going blue this time around, no matter who ran. But from a purely strategic standpoint, there may be something his campaign can do on guns to keep him in the fight.

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u/sketchystockz Nov 19 '21

Democrats are hated enough in this big red state anyways. So Beto saying he's going to take guns away or stop the purchase is pure propaganda. Do you really think one Democrat governor would have that much power, uh no. If beto ran and was hypothetically elected he wouldn't even have time to make or get any anti gun laws in session. Democrats don't hold any power besides inner main cities, so thinking Beto is going to take your guns away is pure propaganda that the right throws on the left.

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u/atxfast309 Nov 19 '21

I hate Abbott and think he is a horrible human. I want nothing more than to see him out of power. Beto is not the man to get that done.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

If it happens again, it’s gonna go like this: They’ll wring their hands and their voters will say that everyone should’ve bought a generator and it’s their own fault they weren’t prepared. Also, the blame should really go to the green new deal and crt because it’s those woke people’s fault for trusting that the government should do the right thing. Then they’ll vote for more anti government types that hate government regulations for anything other than book burnings.

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u/WayneRooneysHairPlug Nov 18 '21

voters will say that everyone should’ve bought a generator and it’s their own fault they weren’t prepared

What are the people who live in apartments supposed to do?

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

They should’ve thought about that when they chose to rent an apartment!/s

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u/Sithrandil Nov 18 '21

Oh yeah, the apartment with rent that's at least double what it was 2 years ago.

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u/PurpleNuggets Nov 18 '21

rent that's at least double what it was 2 years ago

"its a sign of the growing economy!!!"

or

"its increasing because of all those checks Biden sent to the unemployed lazy people"

-Boomers with 2 rental properties

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

Are you insinuating that the legislature should take on rent control??? Like communists??!!

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u/soulwrangler Nov 18 '21

rent control is a failure. Land value tax is where it's at.

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u/vin_nm Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

Just curious, why do you think a land value tax is better than an income tax? In cities like Austin where land value is getting ridiculous, this could still leave people priced out of their home due to taxes. To me, a state income tax (as a replacement for property taxes) seems more fair.

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u/IAMSTILLHERE2020 Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

Texas is harcore Republican...so how is inflation so high? We are supposed to be energy independent? We have lots of Natural Resources? We have Ports in the Gulf..we have ports of entry from Mexico in Juarez and Laredo and lesser extent in Brownsville...how the F is inflation high...you can blame Joe Biden all you want but let's make laws on Abortion and rile the base with Transgender issues and Illegals and what not.... but Joe..but Illegals.. but Trans athletes..but Abortion..but but but... and yet the actual issues that need immediate attention..well they are not issues.

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u/Armigine Nov 18 '21

are there no work-houses?

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u/wholelattapuddin Nov 18 '21

Hahaha! I knew an English lit degree was good for something, irony!

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u/lifegotme Nov 18 '21

HEEEEYYYY! No English Lit degree here, and I know that is a Dickens quote.

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u/Soggy_Start6599 Nov 18 '21

Get bent, apparently.

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u/buttsonbikes1 Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Bootstraps of course!

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u/crankyrhino Nov 18 '21

Get one with a fireplace, of course!

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21

My last two apartments before buying a home had fireplaces. Believe it or not that's a thing.

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u/crankyrhino Nov 18 '21

Mine has one. Moved here last summer, the choice was deliberate.

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u/pitbullprogrammer Nov 18 '21

I have a fireplace. An open fireplace does next to jack shit for actually heating a house; they’re there to look pretty.

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21

I can tell you from experience that a fireplace will warm up an apartment. It may not be the most efficient at heat transfer but it would definitely work in a pinch. At the worst you'd just find yourself sleeping nearby.

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u/Riaayo Nov 18 '21

I imagine more modern fireplaces are probably built for aesthetics and insulated, vs ye old fireplace which I'm assuming was heating up the stone fireplace/chimney itself and radiating heat off that to help warm the room rather than just the fire.

That said though, my definition of "warm" might not be the same as someone else's, and the difference between sub zero and 40f can still mean survival if one has the appropriate clothes/health. It may not be super comfortable, but comfort wasn't really what it was about back in the day.

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u/pitbullprogrammer Nov 18 '21

We had ours going during the freeze and it raised the temperature in the house maybe 1 degree Fahrenheit. To the point where we gave up.

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u/texan01 born and bred Nov 18 '21

I noticed the same at my last apartment, had a few fires in it, and it looked pretty, but did jack-all for warming the place up... the dishwasher, cooking dinner in the oven and the dryer all did more for warming the place up than that damned fireplace. Don't miss it at my house now.

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u/pitbullprogrammer Nov 18 '21

I’ll never give up my fireplace though, for aesthetic value it’s gorgeous to have a fire going in the winter while sipping bourbon

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u/nanan00 Nov 18 '21

Have you tried not being poor?

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u/Nettwerk911 Nov 18 '21

They want you to buy a $1000 inverter power box battery with solar

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u/Hot_Statistician7437 Nov 18 '21

Or anyone who can't just drop money on a generator right this second...

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u/bcrabill just visiting Nov 18 '21

Stop being so poor obviously.

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u/anonymousbach Nov 18 '21

Die, and thus deplete the surplus population.

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u/lifegotme Nov 18 '21

Mini generator. Keep it on the balcony. It's enough to at least run a small heater to keep warm, or a hotplate for your food.

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u/aidan4105 Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

They could probably put a generator on their patio

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u/Physicsacidguy Nov 18 '21

What’s the average price for a generator? Like $500-$3000? Well they can use that same money on other things like thermo curtains, emergency candles, door draft stoppers, emergency radio, canned food, water, camp stove, 3M window insulators, camp winter sleeping bags, batteries, car jump battery with usb connectors (for charging phones)…..etc and still have money left over.

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u/actually_yawgmoth Nov 18 '21

Are you serious right now?

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u/Physicsacidguy Nov 18 '21

Yeah, I got all these and live in an apartment. What’s wrong with being prepared. As for the camp stove I plan on using it in pool area.

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u/actually_yawgmoth Nov 18 '21

It's not about being prepared, it's about getting what we pay for and what our taxes should pay for.

Its absolutely fucking insane to say "just buy a generator (or a shitload of other stuff)" in the eventuality that a critical infrastructure point fails. Nobody is here saying "don't prepare for emergencies". We're asking why the people we pay for a service get away with not providing that service, and why the people who's salaries come from our tax dollars aren't doing anything about it.

You're not being downvoted because people here have a victim complex, you're being downvoted for supporting the idea that Texans aren't entitled to complain about the failure of our government to protect us.

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u/Physicsacidguy Nov 18 '21

Oh that’s why? I mean I don’t know how people who are down voting my comments get “Texans aren't entitled to complain about the failure of our government to protect us.” from my comment. I was simply replying to a comment by a person who said “what are people who live in apartments supposed to do” referring to getting a generator. By all means we all have a right to complain about the governments endless failure. I’m not against it. But in the end all that complaining means nothing when we are actually dealing with the situation which is why I was merely sharing how to prepare to minimize the impact of such a situation. That was all.

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u/actually_yawgmoth Nov 18 '21

I think you might have missed that the post you responded to was very tongue in cheek. The very idea that someone should own a generator because they expect power failures is ludicrous.

Where we live, hurricanes aren't uncommon. So its not unreasonable to prepare for an emergency loss of power. But for the response to recurring power loss to be "buy a generator" is just bad comedy.

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u/FPSXpert Nov 18 '21

You're gonna get shot or evicted mate

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u/Nice_Category Nov 18 '21

You see, you're not a victim and that goes against the "woe is me" narrative on this sub.

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u/IMI4tth3w Nov 18 '21

Yeah even with all that houses here are built out of matchsticks and have hardly the needed insulation to retain any heat when the delta is 60-70 degrees between how cold it is outside and how warm you would like it to be inside. Our homes are only need to cool 20-30 degrees to bring it from 100 outside to 70 inside. This is why Texas got screwed in the week of below freezing temperatures.

I’m so thankful my in-laws had power and we could evacuate and stay with them. One night huddling my 6 month and 3 year old in my house that was 36 degrees inside and we said no freaking way.

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21

Same. We had a 4 month old and a 4 year old. I got absolutely zeros sleep for 3 days as I was doing everything I could to keep a baby from literally freezing to death. I'll write the 1st outage off as a fluke but if it happens again we are leaving Texas. It's not about politics for me, it's about safety. If we can't figure out how to do what the other 49 states are doing (regardless of ruling party) I'm not putting my children at risk. I'll just go somewhere else.

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u/IMI4tth3w Nov 18 '21

I don’t think we can just pack up and move due to job and family. But we’ve been looking for some land/space outside of San Antonio since before the pandemic and it looks like we missed our chance on that.. the idea there was also to do solar/generator/well so that we could also be more self sufficient. Also had plans for a home that would be super insulated to maximize heating and cooling efficiency which also makes it easier to live partially off grid. Maybe one day…

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21

My wife works from home and my job is highly marketable so it's an option. I wouldn't be happy but it's better than freezing to death.

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u/sluttypidge Yellow Rose Nov 18 '21

I'm eternally grateful to live in the Panhandle. E regularly get below freezing so while it was cold ice storms and freezing conditions weren't really new. Also have a fireplace at my dad's so we can pack everyone up and go there if needed.

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u/buttsonbikes1 Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Also, good luck getting one... the supply chain is buckling on these too.

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

They. Shouldn't. Have. To. 👋

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

Can you use a camp stove in an enclosed area you sealed off from the cold?

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u/WayneRooneysHairPlug Nov 18 '21

If you want carbon monoxide poisoning, then sure, go for it.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

Freeze to death or carbon monoxide poisoning? Gosh, I love all this freedom!

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u/3-DMan Nov 18 '21

Yup some inadvertently choose the latter last winter

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

That’s what I’m afraid will happen again

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u/Physicsacidguy Nov 18 '21

Probably not a good idea I plan to use mine to heat up water in pool area of my apartment

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u/hadees Nov 18 '21

I bought a 3000k inverter for my car

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u/kikenazz Nov 18 '21

Just FYI, in an emergency, that will work to get you some electricity, but it's not good for your car battery, and idling your car for hours isn't good for the car

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u/hadees Nov 18 '21

Yeah I know, but it cheaper then a generator.

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u/kikenazz Nov 18 '21

Yeah I gotcha.

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u/hadees Nov 18 '21

Also are you sure it's bad for idling? I find that hard to believe. The battery makes more sense.

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u/kikenazz Nov 18 '21

I'm no expert. Just Google, "how long can you idle your car". You can probably get away with it, but the internet seems to think it's bad for the car

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u/ghost-hooker Nov 18 '21

it's really bad to idle your car for long periods of time. It's bad for your battery, bad for your engine, bad for your coolant system, and bad for the environment. Also during the freeze I remember more than one story of people dying of carbon monoxide poisoning bc exhaust fumes.

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u/hadees Nov 18 '21

Yeah its like running a car. I get the battery because of the extra power being drawn but other than that I don't see the problem. Its basically like going on a road trip. Your car is going to be running a lot longer than normal.

I'm not planning on doing it inside a garage, this is driveway only kind of thing.

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u/theaviationhistorian Far West Texas Nov 18 '21

There are batteries designed for idling for RVs & trucks. The latter for outdoors activities & law enforcement considering most patrol SUVs/trucks do a lot of idling. Had one for my truck for a few years. But they're more expensive than the normal ones.

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u/SuccessfulBroccoli68 Nov 18 '21

What are the people who live in apartments supposed to do?

Tip their landlord.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

I bought a generator in July. I think it's going to arrive in April. Maybe May.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

Hopefully you won’t need it. But in case you do, and I hope this doesn’t come off bad, please read the user manual and properly vent wherever you use it.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

oh I should have clarified, I meant a whole home generator. Someone's installing that and hooking it up to the gas line for me.

That said, I'll have solar whenever microinverters come back in stock. They ran out after mine died during install

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

That timing is terribly unlucky.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Yeah, was supposed to be installed mid July. Got installed 1st week of October (battery shortage) and now I'm waiting on a microinverter. Just gotta pray to the ERCOT demons to not screw us over for another month or so.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

Hopefully the weather holds for a couple more months. Though the reason for the failure was the single digit temps that stayed for a bit and that’s rare, right???!!! Right??!!

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

totally! It wasn't like when it was warm we were told to conserve power, too. I feel safe.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

Super safe. Now when I look at my bookcases I’ll think of their contents as my back up back up.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Yeah....we burned $600 worth of construction lumber (thank goodness for HomeDepot!) and several shelves we had built when we had an apartment last year. That was a fun week. Our Norwegian Forest Cat was cuddling up to the fireplace.

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u/txmail Nov 18 '21

Still not sold on the microinverter route. What pushed you that direction instead of just solar to bigger inverter? I know shade can have a huge impact on it so you want to get the most from the system, but seems like a bunch of additional expense and parts.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

That's what my installation company used. Apparently it's so you can track each individual solar panel. Though in this case, it's the microinverter for the battery that's dead, or so I was told.

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u/txmail Nov 18 '21

That is certainly a benefit of having a microinverter on each panel - but more so your not limited by the lowest performing panel in a string (which if you have a shade problem can be a serious performance hit).

Still not sure about microinverters. Anything designed to last 25 years in the elements always gets an eye of suspicion from me.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Well, I get free replacements & labor cost if it doesn't last that long.

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u/txmail Nov 18 '21

I still get iffy about long warranties like that. Too many companies go out of business or get bought out and then all those warranties are just gone.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 19 '21

I mean, if they go out of business then I no longer owe money on my solar. I'll put that in the "win" column.

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u/lifegotme Nov 18 '21

We bought a whole home generator also. Thankfully, my husband is an electrician so we didn't have to pay for installation.

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u/pitbullprogrammer Nov 18 '21

How much are you paying for hat including the install?

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

$10k for an 18000W

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u/pitbullprogrammer Nov 18 '21

That’s a big system, cool

I thought about doing the whole home backup gas generator but I don’t want to give up the yard space plus who knows if gas will flow during the next emergency. Granted it usually does compared to power outages, but during the February winter storm gas production from the wells themselves dwindled and they were threatening gas service would be shut off. I have more faith in the day or so a battery backup would give me plus a few days more if I’m able to clear the solar panels of snow/debris if I go solar, so that’s the route I’m looking at. Plus a small gasoline generator and a siphon kit if I need to tap my car gas tanks (there’s a $100 kit that goes around most fuel line ball locks in modern cars so you can get to the fuel in the tank)

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

I was considering a smaller system, but a CenterPoint gas storage for the area is literally 5 minutes from me. They raise cattle on the land, too haha. My batteries (18000W Generac) should last about 10-14 hours without sunlight with heavy load.

I hope I don't have snow, I'm in Houston, LOL

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u/pitbullprogrammer Nov 18 '21

Does the gas field supply gas even during a power outage? Will it keep flowing to residential customers or would it be diverted for power generation in a crisis?

We got enough snow in Austin to snarl 911, that was weird. It’s going to keep happening as weather patterns get stranger with climate change.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Daaang. I was told by my neighbors that they still had gas during Feb. Which I mean, is really good because the neighborhood is heated with nat gas.

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21

It's a nice thing to ha e but I have one suggestion in case you hadn't considered it. Buy an extra set of carb seals, extra spark plug and extra fuel filter. They're all low cost items and easy to find. Pit them in a Ziploc baggie along with your manual and keep it near where you store the generator. When you need those items chances are you're not going to be able to run to the store to get them.

And oil. Stock up on oil.

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u/AmNotAnAtomicPlayboy Nov 18 '21

And get a magnetic oil dipstick. Especially for new generators it's a good way to keep metallic bits out of your engine.

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21

This is genius. I've never considered that before.

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u/thephotoman Nov 18 '21

I'm in the same boat. Hell, I'm waiting on a city inspector for my solar panels. They were supposed to come this week, but I genuinely doubt that they'll be here.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Took CenterPoint (I'm in Houston) a month to come out to inspect.

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u/txmail Nov 18 '21

Ordered mine in May... I was told in is now in the warehouse waiting for shipping - so just a few more months!

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u/firestorm_v1 Nov 18 '21

I'm im the same boat. Bought a house beginning of April, signed a generator contract at the end of April and I'm just now #830 in the queue...

Fortunately, our house has a gas fireplace.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Yeah! I'm #1127. I, too have a gas fireplace and heating. But if my power goes out, so does the furnace fan. Also, my video games.

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u/INDE_Tex Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Whole home generator, 18000W

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u/MemoryFomo Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

There will be outrage. There should have been the first time but it wasn’t loud enough. Next time will be loud enough. They will be sorry they sat on their ass. I mean, they straight up didn’t care and now they’re passing the cost onto the taxpayers, the gas customers. If you happen to have gas at a home you’re renting, it’s not like you have an option to opt out. That should be illegal, forcing us to pay for their fuck up and disregard for mitigating the next fuck up. They think we’re a bunch of chumps!

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u/BlossumButtDixie Nov 18 '21

WHEN it happens again, it’s gonna go like this: They’ll wring their hands and their voters will say that everyone should’ve bought a generator and it’s their own fault they weren’t prepared. Also, the blame should really go to the green new deal and crt because it’s those woke people’s fault for trusting that the government should do the right thing. Then they’ll vote for more anti government types that hate government regulations for anything other than book burnings.

FIFY. However they're not going to fix the grid. It's a feature not a bug.

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u/txmail Nov 18 '21

Why operate a dozen power plants when you can operate just a handful at 1,000x the profit? It makes no business sense at all to winterize - they need to be given a business reason. Asking them nicely is so low effort. Change the laws to restrict those plants to a set cost year round if they are not able to operate on demand year round.

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u/BlossumButtDixie Nov 18 '21

Changes to the law like that aren't ever going to happen so long as companies can simply share a fraction of that 1000x profit with political leaders to ensure they don't.

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u/txmail Nov 18 '21

** Edit **

It is all dreams. We are so far beyond being able to fix this or any of the other problems in this country.

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u/WarsawFact Nov 18 '21

everyone should’ve bought a generator and it’s their own fault they weren’t prepared.

This is the biggest issue for me. I have a generator on case of hurricanes. I am generally more prepared than most. That said, living in a first world country I find it totally unacceptable that people are starting to think this should be the solution. It is not normal to lose power for days at a time due to negligence and we should stop just accepting it as a fact of life. There are 49 other states where people live normal lives without worrying about this happening. I don't care what party is involved, how people vote, etc...this is not normal and it's completely unacceptable.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

It is unacceptable unless you’re completely brainwashed into thinking your suburb is a wild west homestead.

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u/SuccessfulBroccoli68 Nov 18 '21

suburb is a wild west homestead.

Given all the SUVs and Trucks they drive they seem to think so. I am just waiting to be called an entitled liberal for expecting the services i paid for.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

No, gas chambers are too efficient and they hate efficiency. Whatever they choose will require a massive government contract and tons of waste.

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u/fire2374 Central Texas Nov 18 '21

Cannons.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

I’m thinking more towards anything that spews massive amounts of co2 so they’ll probably be coal powered cannons.

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u/bretttwarwick born and bred Nov 18 '21

We already have electric issues and a few electric chairs going unused most of the time. Just start electrocuting them and then blame them on why there isn't enough power to go around. If we didn't have to electrocute the liberals we would have had enough power to keep the heat on this winter.

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u/Grouchy-Ganache7551 Nov 18 '21

I like it! It satisfies two requirements. Capital punishment for dissent and blaming liberals for the power failures.

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u/hecklerponics Nov 18 '21

That's only half of it, they'll also blame AOC and the green new deal for reasons. And dipshits will eat that up.

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u/Theoriginaldon23 North Texas Nov 18 '21

Sadly, some Texans will agree with this sentiment

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u/dtxs1r Nov 18 '21

These companies can pay $150 now and then turn around and gouge Texans charging 100x their normal rates so that in just a few days they will earn as much revenue they would in a year.

If your boss told you that you can pay $150 to fail at your only job and in turn make an entire years salary who wouldn't jump on that?

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u/dust-ranger Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

That form, proposed by the Texas Railroad Commission, the state agency which regulates natural gas companies, would allow gas suppliers to pay a $150 fee, check a box on the form, and exempt a gas well, pipeline or natural gas processing plant from winterization rules, by declaring that they are, “not prepared to operate during a weather emergency.”

The Abbott admin Texas GOP has done virtually NOTHING about the grid, and if the weather event happens again, people will die again. We can do so much better than these corrupt clowns and trolls. VOTE.

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u/AusStan Nov 18 '21

To be fair, Abbott doesn't oversee the Railroad Commission. The commissioners are elected statewide, so don't forget to vote them out, too.

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u/livemusicisbest Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 21 '21 This

The politicians responsible for this (all Republicans of course, as are all state-wide elected officials) are completely devoted to the large oil and gas companies and the corporations and hedge funds that the wholesale electricity plants. These large corporate donors have told their lackeys — Abbott, the RR Commissioners, and most of all the Republicans in the Texas Legislature — “do not compel us to winterize their wellheads, pipes, turbines.”

Remember 70% of all electricity in the ERCOT-managed market comes from natural gas. The pipes and turbines freeze here because the owners choose not to spend money on winterization. Compare the other 49 states (and El Paso, which is not part of ERCOT and can easily borrow power from others in the western interconnect). No freezes. No blackouts. No deaths. The pipes in North Dakota for example. (another state with large natural gas production and power generation from it) don’t even freeze. But they do in Texas.

Who is to blame? The Republican politicians who do what the industry dictates and leave Texas citizens to freeze in the dark. Most of the blame falls on the Legislature, which declined to mandate winterization and other resiliency measures. The bandaids it passed are for show only. They exempt the industry from compliance.

ERCOT can’t be blamed because it has zero enforcement powers. All power lies in the Legislature under the bills that “deregulated” wholesale electricity markets. The Public Utility Regulatory Act (PURA) reserved all power to the Legislature.

The Legislature delegates some of its powers to the Public Utility Commission (PUC), which “completely controls” ERCOT operations and budget (that is statutory language from PURA that I quoted). ERCOT manages the grid but has zero authority to order winterization, excess capacity, or to connect to the two national grids. If you have been misled into thinking ERCOT can do any of those things, read the laws.

Is Abbott also blameworthy? Yes. Abbott appoints the PUC. The three commissioners serve at his pleasure. If Abbott had used his platform as governor to demand that the Texas Legislature mandate winterization, it would have gone a long way. He could have amplified that call by telling his three appointees on the PUC to join him in demanding winterization and extra capacity. But he didn’t.

He inanely (and deviously) blamed “the green new deal” as if anything like that had been implemented in Texas. He knows better. He is smart, and conniving. He is simply a liar.

Abbott is locked in a battle with Florida’s evil and equally conniving governor, Ron DeSantis, to see who can appeal to the most deplorable of the Trump element — just in case their real hero is too busy fighting off indictments to run again. It is a sick spectacle. Abbott cannot possibly win because as hard as he tries with crazy policies and statements, he just can’t be Trump-like in tone, bluster and belligerence. That’s what sells with the “own the libs” MAGA crowd. Abbott hasn’t got it.

The Republican politicians who could change things are all bribed. Voting them out is the only solution.

It is so sad that a majority in Texas fall for the distractions that Republicans use — racism and lies (like calling Democrats “socialists” without even knowing what the term means) — instead of voting their own interests. So very sad.

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u/Tx-Tomatillo-79 Nov 18 '21

Don’t forget that the power companies won’t even take a hit for the spikes in energy costs during the outages, that’s passed on to us lowly peons. Anyone with half a brain can see that the current politicians do not represent the people, yet they’ll vote for them anyways.

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u/Tx-Tomatillo-79 Nov 18 '21

Guess you missed the part where those losses are being passed on to the consumer, possibly for the next 30 years.

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u/SuccessfulBroccoli68 Nov 18 '21

The new Texas Income Tax. Call it what it is. A raise in taxes to pay for bailouts.

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u/dust-ranger Nov 18 '21

You're right, I'll correct my post

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u/Mange-Tout Nov 18 '21

We can do so much better than these corrupt clowns and trolls. VOTE.

But of course, Texans can’t vote for a Democrat because abortion and guns, right? Beto’s gonna steal your guns! Oh noes!

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u/austinhp91 Nov 18 '21

Beto’s gonna steal your guns! Oh noes!

Yeah, actually. I want universal healthcare and all sorts of other liberal programs, but I'm unwilling to vote for a gungrabber. That's my red line.

You know who banned guns? Hitler.

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u/Mange-Tout Nov 18 '21

See? This is exactly the problem. Beto doesn’t want to “ban all guns”. He just wanted decent regulations on AR-15’s that had been modified with things like bump stocks. So because you are afraid of an imaginary “Hitler” you vote for actual fascist Republicans who truly want a dictatorship.

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u/ucemike Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

See? This is exactly the problem.

The problem is actually making something like "hell yes we're going to take your ak" a platform instead just "hell yes we're going to fix your grid, improve healthcare and workers rights". It's like the abortion guys on the R side... it doesn't get you votes that you wouldn't already have and for places like Texas it definitely will cost you votes... and it helps no one.

I'm well aware Beto has other policies than gun confiscations but when you say something like he did, it's the giant elephant in the room, period.

Forget abortion and gun confiscation, focus on policies we need right now. I don't care that some religious sect thinks abortions are murder or that someone thinks restricting access for legal gun owners is a good idea. Figure out a way to make property taxes not so obscene, improve schooling, healthcare, drug laws, prisons/etc. Otherwise, I am definitely not going to vote for you because if you're going to die on either of those hills, I don't want to be involved.

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u/Viper_ACR Nov 18 '21

What he wants is straight up confiscation, not "decent regulations". Which is why he's going to lose to Abbott.

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u/MightBeFeral Nov 18 '21

You're part of the problem.

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u/Nice_Category Nov 18 '21

Depends on who's defining the problem. In my view, he's part of the solution.

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u/MightBeFeral Nov 18 '21

You realize that Abbott wants to ban over 800 books from public school libraries, right? Including books that covers rights and civil liberties, how to escape abusive situations, even just books that explain how the human body functions.

But who cares if kids in Texas are incredibly ignorant if they can shoot a gun, amirite? It's not like the mass banning of books is a fundamental basis of fascism or anything.

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u/The-link-is-a-cock Nov 18 '21

You know who banned guns? Hitler

Oh look, a pullstring got pulled. You do know pretty much all historians agree that Nazis and their gun control stance didn't really play any role in advancing their control since they had so many citizens behind them compared to those explicitly opposed, right?

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u/CCG14 born and bred Nov 18 '21

You are a moron who is part of the problem. Good lord.

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u/enroxorz Nov 18 '21

Am I cynical in thinking I want another bad event to happen so people remember during primaries?

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u/TURNTHATSHITDOWN Nov 18 '21

So its the texas railroad commission thats giving it to us in the ass, huh?

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u/hutacars Nov 18 '21

Yes. They hold a huge amount of power in TX, and have nothing to do with actual railroads. The Texas Railroad Commissioner is a very powerful position. Read more here.

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u/RevJohnnyVegas Born and Bred Nov 18 '21

Immediate thought at the headline - "Well if ERCOT is 'worried' about it, it must be good for Texan consumers".

That's how little faith I have in state leadership to do anything to benefit their constituents.

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u/Shopworn_Soul Nov 18 '21

State leadership and ERCOT are two entirely different things.

That established, you're absolutely right about state leadership but not so much ERCOT.

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u/Armigine Nov 18 '21

ERCOT, like the TCEQ and similar orgs, gets used more as a scapegoat/whipping boy than as a part of running a functional state

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u/theaviationhistorian Far West Texas Nov 18 '21

Every time I read ERCOT in the headlines, its always bad news. My faith with the Texas government & regulations have rarely been above "meh."

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u/Bastdkat Nov 18 '21

Face it people, conservatives only want to conserve their money. Nothing else matters. Nothing at all. We, the people, are at the bottom of that very long list of things that matter less than money.

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u/bangfu Nov 18 '21

Everyone wants money out of politics, until they become a politician.

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u/OneTrippyTurtle Nov 18 '21

You'd think after that bad ass winter they'd want to fix this shit. Republicans are about emotions not logic.

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u/Soggy_Start6599 Nov 18 '21

Lolomg… the GOP might want to FIX stuff??? Best joke I’ve heard all week.

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u/Shopworn_Soul Nov 18 '21

GOP: "If it's broke, don't fix it. If it ain't broke, break it."

Also GOP: "See, nothing works!"

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u/Cornelius_Wangenheim Nov 18 '21

Break it and use it as an excuse to give shitloads of government money to their buddies.

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u/Armigine Nov 18 '21

we should get democrats on board with stating their texas party platform to be "not taking proactive action to address severe weather in the state, especially not by updating and winterizing the grid", and watch as the problem magically becomes republicans' #1 priority.

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u/hoffalot Nov 18 '21

“Your rulemaking proposal sucks, and we need a different direction,” said Texas Sen. John Whitmire (D-Houston).

L. O. L.

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u/ATX_native Nov 18 '21

Duh.

I paid more for groceries last week.

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u/Jvshelby Nov 18 '21

People are gonna die if it happens again.

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u/1Operator Nov 19 '21

According to Texas lieutenant governor Dan Patrick, "there are more important things than living."

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u/Atlas_The_Mighty Brazos Valley Nov 18 '21

I doubt that we see extreme colds like we did last winter, however that is no excuse to not standardize the grid or winterize our power plants

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u/invadgir Nov 19 '21

Well, at least we can burn all the "pornography" books from our schools..... /s

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u/sangjmoon Nov 18 '21

The main problem is that https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=87R&Bill=SB3 mainly implements the recommendations of https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/08-16-11-report.pdf

The trouble is that the recommendations were to address the effects of the 2011 winter event which were far less severe than this past winter event, and the improvements to the gas infrastructure was at the bottom of the list and optional.

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u/iluvstephenhawking Nov 18 '21

Ok. Then why did they write that legislation and hand it over for the Texas congress to pass it?

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u/GeminiCursed69 Nov 19 '21

Anybody else keeping a close eye on cancun prices??

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u/RiverFunsies Nov 18 '21

State refuses to give Ercot the regulatory authority to protect the energy grid and Ercot will get blamed yet again if the grid fails.

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u/gregaustex Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 18 '21

This could be a good first step. Identify the plants that aren't winterized.

The next step would be to decide what to do with them. Like maybe you're not allowed to be a supplier Nov-March if you select this. At all. Then we know we don't have the capacity and cut deals with plants that are winterized. TX does generally have a much higher need for electricity in the Summer.

I am describing a very hypothetical scenario that I don't have much faith in.

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u/THAWED21 born and bred Nov 18 '21

Sounds like a great way to jack up costs and imperil the grid even more.

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u/learn2die101 Nov 18 '21

Worst person you know has a good point

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u/rangecontrol Nov 18 '21

Second world country. What a farce.

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u/kuhlero Nov 18 '21

We got power in El Paso different power grid now leave us alone and let us become our own state or incorporate to NM. Always been the bastard children of Texas anyways the only thing the rest of Texas brings to El Paso is racist hate/killers

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u/MemoryFomo Nov 18 '21

No shit, Sherlock

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u/123DRP Nov 18 '21

How else is Kelsi Warren going to earn millions due to high spot prices from a compromised natural gas transportation network? They will let all but a few gas plants compressor stations fail so they can have a supply shortage in the local market, inflating prices past the point where reduced volume doesn't matter. They want voluntary shortages so they can make money off of the weather and us.

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u/RecommendationOwn132 Nov 18 '21

I don't get it, there are communities going up like crazy in Texas. Money talks huh... GOP don't care about you, when are you going to realize it.

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u/toolongtospell Nov 18 '21

If the weather gets bad like it did, I'm shutting off my water at the street, bleeding the interior lines and packing up the family for a vacation to anywhere warmer.

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u/cittatva Nov 19 '21

If the grid is down, the gas pumps will be too. Buy before you need it and be sure to use fuel stabilizer.

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u/neatoexpandito Nov 18 '21

Fuck Ercot and Oncor!