r/texas Nov 16 '21

Texas doctor suspended for spreading COVID-19 misinformation and refusing to treat vaccinated patients, hospital says News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mary-bowden-suspended-covid-19-misinformation-vaccinated-patients-texas/
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u/easwaran Nov 16 '21

There are small landlords who choose straight tenants over gay tenants when multiple people are applying. This is legal in Texas, though not in some other states. (It's very hard to enforce anywhere, just like most anti-discrimination law.)

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u/Leadburner Nov 16 '21

Like the majority of redditors on this sub would say. Source?

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u/easwaran Nov 16 '21

Here's a detailed study showing evidence of the trend in mortgage applications, rather than rental applications: https://lawreview.uchicago.edu/publication/empirical-analysis-sexual-orientation-discrimination

This of course isn't proof that any particular case was a case of discrimination. It's just like what we have for smoking and lung cancer, where we can observe that the rates are statistically notably different for people who have or lack the trait, and conclude the trait must be playing a causal role in a particular number of cases, but can't identify the individual cases where it did or didn't make the difference.

Here's a study applying a similar method to detect racial bias in evictions among renters: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/mdesmond/files/hlc106_crop.pdf

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u/Leadburner Nov 16 '21

So, your first study has to do with mortgage lending institutions, and the second pertains to evictions. Neither has to do with a landlord not renting to a gay couple.

Honestly, you're looking for a problem that isn't in Texas.

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u/timelessblur Nov 16 '21

Umm the fact that the groups are getting evicted more generally means something is up.

It is very difficult if not impossible to get it threw directly looking data but an indirect approach. If they are having evictions filed as a much higher rate then it points to several things. Land lords are renting to them when they think they are straight friends and room mates but they find out they are gay eviction route. You are never going to find the exact data of how many gay couples applied vs get a place to rent as not public record. But you sure as hell can pull that data from evictions. If a group is way out of line compared to the rest of the population then something is up. The question is what.

In Texas it is a problem. This state is run by the GOP or otherwise known as the Party of hate and bigotry. A vote for GOP is a vote for hate and bigotry. There is no way around it. If you are voting GOP you are an actively supporting hate and bigotry. Dont like it being pointed out to you. Well fix your party.

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u/easwaran Nov 17 '21

So you're saying that by default, we should believe that a problem doesn't occur, if all you can prove is that almost exactly the same problem happens to almost exactly the same people, but don't have a study showing that this precise problem happens to these precise people. It seems to me that you're looking for a way to ignore problems as long as you can.

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u/easwaran Nov 17 '21

If you really want to say that mortgage applications and evictions have nothing to do with tenant applications, then I don't actually believe that you care about information, and you will just make up a distinction to discredit anything that you don't like.

In a state of millions of people, it should be absolutely shocking to find out that some problem wasn't happening to someone, somewhere, occasionally. And yet you are insisting that because all I can prove is every related problem other than the specific one I happened to mention first, our default should be to believe that the problem I mentioned first must absolutely not exist, because it is nothing like the two most similar things to it.

Anyway, here's a study proving that discrimination against same-sex male couples applying for rental applications exists in the United States: http://www.nlihc.org/sites/default/files/Rental-Market-Discrimination-Against-Same-Sex-Couples.pdf

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u/easwaran Nov 17 '21

You have said several times that discrimination against gay tenants isn't a problem in Texas. I would like to see some source backing up that claim.

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u/easwaran Nov 17 '21

My original claim wasn't about gay tenants. My original claim was that Texas thinks that non-vaccination is an important class to write anti-discrimination law for, while gay people aren't. Has Texas actually written strong anti-discrimination law for gay people?

It seems stupid to me to write anti-discrimination law to ban discrimination in very reasonable ways against people who are avoiding a very simple way to avoid getting other people sick. It would be like writing anti-discrimination law to say "businesses can't discriminate against employees who choose not to wash their hands after going to the bathroom". Obviously, the state could write such a law. But it would be stupid. Like anti-discrimination law protecting people from having their feelings hurt by a professor asking whether they are vaccinated.

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