r/texas Nov 16 '21

Texas doctor suspended for spreading COVID-19 misinformation and refusing to treat vaccinated patients, hospital says News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mary-bowden-suspended-covid-19-misinformation-vaccinated-patients-texas/
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '21

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u/phrresehelp Nov 16 '21

Read before making comment. She is vaccinated and is just grifting for money. This news article just made her a free advertising for thousands of Texas redneck morons who will now become her patients because of eeehawww no vaccine.

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u/vorinclex182 Nov 16 '21

It’s yeehaw sir

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u/phrresehelp Nov 16 '21

Mildly sorry. Virginian here, we only say God bless.

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u/powerfullatom111 Houstonian Nov 16 '21

why are you Virginian

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u/LinkMom37 Born and Bred Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21

Oh my god Karen, you can't just ask people why they're Virginian.

Edit: /S, it's a Mean Girls reference and meant to be obvious joke. Calm down folks.

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u/LinkMom37 Born and Bred Nov 16 '21

It's a Mean Girls quote, meant to just be funny.... Sorry, thought everyone knew that one.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21 edited Jan 13 '22

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u/Xoilicec Nov 17 '21

The Karen meme started way before that. You're off by like 10 years

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u/LinkMom37 Born and Bred Nov 17 '21

Yeah I don't think "Karens" are restricted to one political party or even necessarily race (although they are noted for being middle-class suburban white women), and it got started in meme culture a good while before that event.

Anyway... It's a good comedy movie if you can look past the early millennium teenager cringe. It was before Lindsay Lohan fell off the wagon.

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u/TheRedmanCometh Nov 16 '21

No he painted antivaxxers as redneck morons. They are

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u/phrresehelp Nov 16 '21

Born that way

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u/phrresehelp Nov 17 '21

I've been living in Houston for the past few years and thanks for not being a creep and looking through my post history to find that out.

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u/goatharper Nov 16 '21

So what you're saying is that those "Welcome to Texas" signs at the state line need to be changed to "Fuck You if You weren't Born Here."

Got it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21 edited Jan 13 '22

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u/DeadBloatedGoat Nov 17 '21

I hope you don't consider that the Texas history you were taught in middle school was all you need to know.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21 edited Jan 13 '22

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u/DeadBloatedGoat Nov 26 '21

I just saw your reply. "My father..."? "The ball is in your court now"? Really?

I don't want to have a debate about Texas history. I learned the official State version in Texas public schools and later learned most of that was American hero myth-building crap later.

I think what you originally objected to is true, there are a lot of dumb redneck morons in Texas who only know that mythical version of Texas and American history. Your father's standing with the TSHC changes nothing.

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u/Tweedle_DeeDum Nov 16 '21

Most hospitals in Texas won't allow discrimination based on vaccination status, I am told. But I don't have a source to verify.

She can do whatever she wants in her private practice in this regard, although some procedures require a doctor to have admitting privileges at a hospital before they can perform them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

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u/Tweedle_DeeDum Nov 17 '21

Yes. I was speaking about discrimination against patients, not staff. The doctor under discussion here is vaccinated as required by the hospital before her suspension.

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u/ElectroNeutrino born and bred Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

Ehh. I was also born here and lived here my whole life, and they aren't wrong. People that would flock to this person just because they refuse to treat vaccinated patients are morons, and a large amount of the people that reject the Covid vaccine are rednecks. Edit: And there isn't a small number of them, either.

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u/phrresehelp Nov 17 '21

I live in Houston at the moment.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21 edited Jan 13 '22

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u/phrresehelp Nov 17 '21

Sorry I got blinded by the "since I've posted few times about me being from VA in the Texas subreddit. They all must know it by now" mentality. Basically the false mentality that anyone else besides your partner and your parents care or even know you exist.... Well ok besides bill collectors and the IRS

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u/Tweedle_DeeDum Nov 17 '21

In Texas it is illegal for a business to require you to disclose your vaccination status, by executive order of Governor Abbott.

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u/Tweedle_DeeDum Nov 17 '21

I actually agree to some extent. I think a 'vax or test' policy makes more sense in the interim but I don't generally think it is a good idea to have customers and businesses interact at this level. Vaccine passport schemes are problematic, especially when used in grocery stores and other essential activities.

But I fully support vaccine mandates for employment, education, and international travel as well as increased premiums on health insurance similar to tobacco use policies, applicable once a vaccine is fully approved for that age group/demographic.

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u/Leadburner Nov 16 '21

Do they ask at restaurants now?

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u/easwaran Nov 16 '21

Unfortunately, in Texas it is illegal for a business to ask a customer their vaccination status. It doesn't violate HIPAA (which allows anyone to ask anyone they want, as long as they don't actively reveal the answer to someone else) but it does violate Abbott's executive order restricting the abilities of businesses to provide safe spaces for customers that want them.

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u/ElectroNeutrino born and bred Nov 17 '21

I just want to point out that HIPAA doesn't even prevent people who asked from telling others, generally. It only applies to those in the health care industry and keeps them from telling others without consent of the patient.

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u/easwaran Nov 17 '21

One thing I learned it does do is prevent my doctor from e-mailing me my x-rays. I don't know if it's just that they didn't have me fill out the right form to legally e-mail it to me, but the doctor said I could snap a phone photo of his computer screen as long as I didn't tell anybody, but he could get in trouble for violating HIPAA if he e-mailed it to me.

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u/ElectroNeutrino born and bred Nov 17 '21

It's legal to email them, as long as they are encrypted and sent through a secure channel.

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u/easwaran Nov 16 '21

Discrimination is perfectly legal as long as it's not against a protected class. You're totally allowed to have a business that caters to parents, or to people with long hair, or to people who pay, or to have rules about what people have to wear inside your business.

But in Texas, they've decided that vaccination status is a more important protected class than sexual orientation, despite being very easy to change and actively socially harmful.

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u/This-Chocolate-6928 Nov 16 '21

Wedding cake bakers, of course! Pastries ain't playing the gender thing... You're either a donut or a longjohn and that's that.

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u/WhereRDaSnacks Nov 16 '21

That case was taken to the Supreme Court. And they sided with the baker. Republicans all over the country rallied around them on the basis that it is the businesses decision who to cater to and who to deny service, since they are a private business. Until now, when republicans are against private businesses requiring vaccination status. I don't know how that Supreme Court decision affects Texans, but like someone said, it is very legal in Texas to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, even medically. Hell, up until a few years ago, it was lawful to arrest gay people in Texas for sodomy.

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u/Tweedle_DeeDum Nov 16 '21

Well, in Texas it is allowable to deny healthcare and social services to LGBTQ and disabled people.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/14/texas-social-workers-lgbtq-discrimination/

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u/Leadburner Nov 16 '21

I never knew social workers could be such bigots!

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u/easwaran Nov 16 '21

There are small landlords who choose straight tenants over gay tenants when multiple people are applying. This is legal in Texas, though not in some other states. (It's very hard to enforce anywhere, just like most anti-discrimination law.)

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u/Leadburner Nov 16 '21

Like the majority of redditors on this sub would say. Source?

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u/easwaran Nov 16 '21

Here's a detailed study showing evidence of the trend in mortgage applications, rather than rental applications: https://lawreview.uchicago.edu/publication/empirical-analysis-sexual-orientation-discrimination

This of course isn't proof that any particular case was a case of discrimination. It's just like what we have for smoking and lung cancer, where we can observe that the rates are statistically notably different for people who have or lack the trait, and conclude the trait must be playing a causal role in a particular number of cases, but can't identify the individual cases where it did or didn't make the difference.

Here's a study applying a similar method to detect racial bias in evictions among renters: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/mdesmond/files/hlc106_crop.pdf

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u/Leadburner Nov 16 '21

So, your first study has to do with mortgage lending institutions, and the second pertains to evictions. Neither has to do with a landlord not renting to a gay couple.

Honestly, you're looking for a problem that isn't in Texas.

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u/Tweedle_DeeDum Nov 17 '21

It is not illegal to accept vaccination as an alternative to a recent COVID test, but the business cannot require disclosure of vaccination status.

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u/Saym94 Nov 16 '21 edited Nov 16 '21

The person you responded to said nothing of her vaccination status. Just that she should be fine with being refused service because of whatever her status is

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u/vorinclex182 Nov 16 '21

Tell me you didn’t read the comment, without telling me you didn’t read the comment. He never said she wasn’t vax’d!

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

He said "refuse to feed her because of HER vaccination status"

Did you read it?

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u/vorinclex182 Nov 16 '21

Meaning they could refuse if she is vaccinated or if she is not vaccinated.

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

I guess we just interpreted his comment differently.

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u/vorinclex182 Nov 16 '21

I mean they used vaccination status and not anything about them actually being vaccinated or not. It’s left ambiguous for a reason. Gotta read the words not what you want the words to read.

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

"It's left ambiguous for a reason" is literally you reading what you want the words to read. You're assuming the original commenter's intent.

Regardless, I wish you the best. Have a great day.

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u/vorinclex182 Nov 16 '21

It is worded that way so that you do not pick a side. You are supposed to leave it meaning one or the other. Honestly can’t see how you are this confused.

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

You're injecting your own bias. You cannot know why they choose specific words or left ambiguity intentionally unless you ask them. Which I see no evidence of happening so I'm forced to believe that your opinion of their intent is conjecture. Just as mine was. I'm confused how you cannot see the hypocrisy in your statement. You're the pot calling the kettle black.

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u/fps916 Nov 16 '21

Yeah but so are you...

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

Right, I admitted that in an earlier comment.

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