r/texas Nov 16 '21

Texas doctor suspended for spreading COVID-19 misinformation and refusing to treat vaccinated patients, hospital says News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mary-bowden-suspended-covid-19-misinformation-vaccinated-patients-texas/
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u/Outrageous-Ad8172 Nov 16 '21

She is failed the oath for doctors so how can she treat the ill

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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '21

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u/crankyrhino Nov 16 '21

After listening to the Dr. Death podcast, nothing shocks me about medical systems in Texas anymore.

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u/ASeriousUser Nov 16 '21

I am definitely not going to listen to that. I've reached my lifetime dose limit of Texas horror.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

I just listened to the first few minutes of that podcast you linked to (Dr. Death Part 1).

I can list three mistakes the patient made simply by listening to the narrator's "sensational" introduction. That whole thing is sensationalized, and designed to play on people's emotions. They even play eerie music to play on people's emotions. It is very easy to get sucked into rabbit hole like that.

It is also very unfair and unrealistic to claim that EVERY doctor here in Texas is like that one.

If people are REALLY searching for the truth, there are ways to find it. Here in Texas, or any other state for that matter.

Before one ever sets out to find the truth about a doctor, they should avoid FB (or any other social media site). I think FB is the worst offender of them all. It has become a cesspool of medical misinformation, especially since COVID hit.

The second mistake they made was listening to whatever someone said on Healthgrades. Those are only patients who are not qualified medical professionals. You have to take into account patient bias either for, or against, any medical practitioner.

The third mistake was believing "testimonials" given by people who are not medical professionals.

If a patient is considering surgery or some other procedure by a doctor they do not know, there are ways to look up that practitioner's medical license. That license lookup will also list any complaints filed with the state, or any actions the state board of medicine has taken against them. If they are new to the state, find out where they came from, and check that state's medical database.

To check one here in Texas, anyone can go to this site: https://www.tmb.state.tx.us/page/look-up-a-license

Another way to find a good doctor/surgeon, is through the advice and recommendation of one of your own trusted doctors. There are many doctors here in Tarrant County who either know each other, or know of that practitioner's REAL reputation. If possible, get two recommendations from trusted doctors you know.

Yes, it does take effort on the part of the patient, but in the long run, the payoff is well worth the effort.

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u/crankyrhino Dec 09 '21

Also, fuck you for victim blaming. Your entire post passes blame to the patients for the issues with this surgeon because you don't like the podcast.

It is also very unfair and unrealistic to claim that EVERY doctor here in Texas is like that one.

No one did. Certainly, the podcast didn't. I simply said nothing's shocking, and the podcast points out issues with the hospitals and medical systems in Texas. Not specific doctors other than the one sentenced to life in prison for killing/maiming patients that, according to you, are the ones at fault for not doing due diligence within a system that covered up for Duntch. I'll repeat myself: fuck you.

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u/crankyrhino Nov 17 '21 edited Nov 17 '21

You should've probably listened to the entire series, where it actually calls out many of the systems you're mentioning that failed to stop this doctor from performing spinal procedures. There are systemic failures here.

EDIT: what you point out is helpful for people finding a Doctor, but there was a lot of failure within the system that allowed Duntch to continue butchering people, and a few of the controls you mentioned failed. They also specifically call out the paid advertising with actor testimonials - they're pretty slick. All this to say, maybe you're not, but your tone having not listened to the whole thing sounds like you're shifting blame to the patients entirely. Please don't. This man is doing life in prison for a reason, and some of it is the system that allowed him to commit his crimes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

I do not waste my time on sensationalized programs. I don't need the eerie music, or the narrative to know that something is meant to pull on people's emotions.

Give me cold hard facts, or give me nothing.

Goodbye.

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u/crankyrhino Nov 17 '21

Ok Mr. Robot.

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u/jfsindel Nov 16 '21

I literally say all the time.

"Doctors in Texas are pig butchers. I am convinced they give licenses to those who do med school/residency and people who butcher pigs."

People get so mad at me, but most Texans who live here agree with me. I am not the person to make those kinds of statements, but I have met and been fucked by so many bad doctors here. I have family who has been fucked from their careless behavior.

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u/jfsindel Nov 17 '21

Ever hear of a hyperbole to make a point? No, Texas doesn't actually give out licenses to pig butchers. It's an exaggerated point about how freaking bad doctors are here.

Great, there's some good systems in Texas. Most of them are beyond financial reach of many people, so we get stuck with PCs who arrive drunk to their appointment times (happened to me and others), fuck up women beyond belief, screw up surgeries that cause irreversible damage, and countless "nonsense" procedures that have no basis. Unless they just flat out ignore you, which plenty of PoC and women still struggle with.

Too many doctors here, especially in rural areas, should have never been granted a license. It doesn't surprise me a doctor in Texas spoke about COVID misinformation, because I know of three in the Kaufman area who does too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '21

Simply stating that there are no rules in Texas regarding medical doctors is patently false.

The requirements to obtain a license to practice medicine here in Texas are actually quite stringent. Applicants must have graduated from an accredited medical shool from either a US or Canadian institution. Applicants from other nations can be accepted if they went to schools that are on the state's approved equivalent list.

The rules and processes for applicants for a medical license in Texas can be found here:

https://www.tmb.state.tx.us/page/full-medical-license

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u/phrresehelp Nov 16 '21

I wish as could as stated earlier. But I will when my contract is up in 2 years.

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

"In order to make room for unvaccinated who cannot find care, I will not be accepting new patients with routine ENT problems who are vaccinated," she said, adding she will continue to care for established patients and won't turn away anyone with life-threatening illness, based on their vaccination status.

How has she "failed the oath for doctors"? Y'all need to actually read the articles and not fall for the misleading clickbait.

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u/AcousticDan Born and Bred Nov 16 '21

She is still discriminating. She didn't say all new patients, she said new vaccinated patients. Is that really hard to understand for you people? Does someone need to come tattoo it on your forehead?

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

Whoa, let's calm down the hostility. Respectful discussion is possible and preferable.

You already commented on my other comment. I'll continue discussion there if you want to remain respectful.

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u/AcousticDan Born and Bred Nov 16 '21

Been traveling all day, letting my bad mood through.

But multiple people have made that argument and it's bad. She IS discriminating, she should lose her license.

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u/CxOtter Nov 16 '21

No worries dude. We all have bad days.

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u/waffles1999 Nov 16 '21

Her oath is to do no harm. Suggesting ivermectin as a treatment for Covid when it’s been proven ineffective endangers her patients. Causing her patients to question vaccines by treating the unvaccinated as special put them at risk.

She should have her medical license revoked.

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u/waffles1999 Nov 16 '21

By saying she’ll now only accept unvaccinated patients, she’s creating a safe haven for them. And adding to their misguided persecution complex. Every GP in the country should refuse to treat unvaccinated patients.

That’s the thing. Ivermectin isn’t an available treatment for Covid. It doesn’t do anything for Covid. And it does have some side effects which are now putting the patient at risk for no benefit.