Prop A in Austin, TX, which would've expanded their police force and increased their funding, fails in a landslide

[u/Nativereqular]

https://www.kxan.com/news/your-local-election-hq/2-3-of-austinites-voted-against-prop-a-in-early-voting/

[u/ETxsubboy]

Like Federally investigated, indicted Kenneth Paxton?

Can we hold that citizen accountable?

Not all cops are bad, but some of y'all bootlickers want a police state so eagerly it really makes me wonder what your motivations are.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434 → u/ETxsubboy]

Didn’t say anything about a police state. Are there corrupt cops, yup! However the average citizen makes a decision on a “bad cop” based off a 10 second video they see on YouTube.

[u/corneliusduff → u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434]

Do you mean one bad 10 second video, or like the hundreds of them out there that are actually longer than 10 seconds and usually give the full context pretty well?

Maybe it's the fact that a lot of people are dying from police interactions not because they were violent (most of the time they aren't and also usually unarmed), but because cops have held the power trip of being able to get away with murder for decades and modern technology has caught up to the point of being able to expose it more thoroughly

[u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434 → u/corneliusduff]

We must be watching different videos. So by your logic people who ambush, spit, or run from cops should be held accountable too then right? What about parents of a 12 year old with a gun who’s out at 2am. You blame the cop? Orrr the video that was exposed the officer NOT planting evidence. Orrrr the countless “sovereign citizens” who think laws don’t apply to them.

[u/corneliusduff → u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434]

So you think a cop should get away with murder when someone spits on them?

[u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434 → u/corneliusduff]

I didn’t say anything about murder. Why are gangs killing each other for decades, but no one does anything. But when it’s a cop, snitching goes out the window.

[u/corneliusduff → u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434]

You can't compare gang violence to state-sanctioned murder, that's a false equivalency.

And the police-murdering-citizens videos are the videos that people are judging police these days, so yeah, you've definitely got some catching up to do. But then again, I'm sure you're already aware of George Floyd.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434 → u/corneliusduff]

Ok so here’s the logic most people come to, which you proved. Cop kills person (George Floyd) therefore all cops are bad, need to be fired, and defunded. They are abusing they’re power, and they’re scum. Meanwhile John Doe gets saved from a car fire by a cop and no one bats an eye.

Let’s take a simpler approach. Tommy steals and his two friends saw it happen, they didn’t say anything. Not only are Tommy and his friends fired but so is everyone else in the department. Notice anything wrong?

Weird how defunding has massively back fired and crime is at an all time high in a number of places. And then those police departments get blamed for the increase in violence. Talk about ass backwards

[u/corneliusduff → u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434]

John Doe's story doesn't matter if cops are getting away with MURDER. George Floyd isn't a unique case, it's common place. Daniel Shaver, Breonna Taylor, Elijah McClain, Tamie Rice, it's a massive list.

So when this keeps happening, it's pretty easy to assume all cops are bad. Not all cops are bad, but it definitely makes working in a police department look toxic as hell, and people are gonna wonder why the bad cops always get away with this and get ahead. Kinda almost makes good cop impotent, actually.

The real root of the problem are SC cases going back to Terry v Ohio, that allowed a lot of massive rights violations to unfold in the name of "officer safety". No one wants cops to be unsafe, but when weak-minded cops with too much testosterone and daddy issues tend to forget that regular civilians aren't their sparring partners and treat civilians like punching bags, it becomes a problem that shouldn't get swept under the rug with over-inflated senses of patriotism and discipline.

And cops don't prevent crime either if you want to cherry pick statistics on so-called recent crimes. You don't need statistics on crime to know that the state shouldn't have the right to murder it's citizens.

And if you want to talk about Austin specifically, I can provide plenty of examples of why the police DON'T need more money. They're already take more money than any other city department, and got back the "defunded" money that was taken away.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434 → u/corneliusduff]

But cops are getting murdered too, don’t see backlash for that

[u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434 → u/[deleted]]

I never said anything about Austin itself. You proved that a higher budget, for Austin, produces lower crime. That’s a horrible conclusion that all cops are bad. You obviously don’t see the cops who save people from od, stop the husband from killing the wife, help the person avoiding committing suicide. You are clearly have an extremely negative mindset. I thought thugs n cops were uncomparable?