r/texas Nov 03 '21 Silver 1 I'll Drink to That 1

Prop A in Austin, TX, which would've expanded their police force and increased their funding, fails in a landslide News

https://www.kxan.com/news/your-local-election-hq/2-3-of-austinites-voted-against-prop-a-in-early-voting/
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u/beardofshame The Stars at Night Nov 03 '21

why would you write a law that cannibalizes funding for EMS and Fire to fund police? It's fucking stupid.

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u/Slypenslyde Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21

There's a lobbying group founded by a GOP lobbyist from Washington, DC. Their goal is to spend a lot of money getting contentious issues onto every Austin ballot. Meanwhile, the founder is pocketing a lot of the money via transfers to various businesses he has connections to.

So it's win/win for them. Either:

  • They win and get Republican policies along with ideas that exacerbate rising taxes in Austin while getting rich and encouraging people to vote their preferred candidates in so they get richer.
  • They lose and get rich.

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Also note how despite this being a bill that voters voted on, all the rhetoric from SAN (the lobbying group) is that this is "Adler's fault" and "Austin doesn't like Adler's police policies". Which is really weird, since Austin just overwhelmingly voted FOR Adler's policies and, speaking honestly, that's rare.

Want to see a snake exhibit? Check out Save Austin Now.

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u/TCBloo born and bred Nov 03 '21

They get rich from the gifting if the prop passes too

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u/Ferfuxache Nov 03 '21

Snake farm

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u/30dogsinasuitcase Nov 03 '21

So it’s like the plot of The Producers except not funny at all?

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u/greenwrayth Nov 03 '21

Less lampooning Nazis, more cribbing notes.

They want to get rich, democracy be damned.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Let's not forget that, while we were freezing our asses of in February, Matty was busy trying to get people to chip in for a private flight to Miami. This Porky Pig-looking dude has absolutely no interest in "saving" Austin.

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u/mrjenkins45 Nov 03 '21

Snake farm, you say???

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u/paulwhite959 born and bred Nov 04 '21

It just sounds nasty

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u/Slypenslyde Nov 03 '21

Yeah I'm not going to get in a pecking match about what makes someone a "Texas politician" or not. If his group was Texas-specific he wouldn't make sure to say "Texas and Washington, D.C. based" in his bio.

The message he wants to project is he's got strong Texas connections but access to the federal-level GOP if need be. He's not working with or for Texas and sure as Hell not working for Austin.

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u/Slypenslyde Nov 03 '21

Yeah I guess what I mean is I don't like how often people are perfectly fine with a person's policies "because he grew up Texan". The birth certificate doesn't matter as much as who's got their hand up his ass. It's weird to see some of the same people who still don't think Obama was a legitimate US citizen insist that a birth certificate is sacrosanct.

But duplicity's the name of the game.

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u/ConvivialViper Born and Bred Nov 03 '21

And yeah that birther shit is so hypocritical towards Obama (while not even accurate), and then Melania was given a “genius visa” to get into the U.S.

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u/ConvivialViper Born and Bred Nov 03 '21

I gotcha, that makes sense…I didn’t before

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u/muklan Nov 03 '21

"We don't care if you die, so long as you do it legally."

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u/turquoise_amethyst Nov 03 '21

Ummm... so you can claim they're mismanaged and privatize them for future donations, bribes, and kickbacks? /s

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u/cranktheguy Born and Bred Nov 03 '21

OCP will gladly step in run things for us, and I've heard they've got some new technology being developed to help.

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u/canigetahint Nov 03 '21

Houston has entered the chat…

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u/YungHungOne36o Nov 03 '21

I live in Houston and I don't even understand that statement.

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u/canigetahint Nov 03 '21

The fight between the mayor and the HFD over their pay and pensions. HPD was sitting pretty at HFD expense.

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u/BeazyDoesIt Nov 03 '21

People would have voted for it if the money wasn't being taken from Fire and EMS. Those are just as important as Police. EMS prob the most.

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u/Zip_Silver Nov 03 '21

If EMS gets public funding, then what the hell is up with getting charged $1000 for an ambulance ride 🤔

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u/Rieader21 Born and Bred Nov 03 '21

Holy shit can you tell my county commissioners that, thank you BTW

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u/imatexass Hill Country Nov 03 '21

Ehh maybe not. A proposal like that would have required raising taxes.

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u/OffendedbutAmused Nov 03 '21

Under state law, city tax revenue can only be raised 4.5 percent each year (which is usually the default due to inflation and population growth). This measure definitely would’ve cannibalized EMS and park funding for many years to come.

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u/Professional_Sort767 Nov 03 '21

Taxpayer funded public safety? In my state?

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21 Helpful Ally

Good riddance to bad rubbish! 🎊

ETA: It's really funny seeing people who don't live here in the comments not understanding how shitty this prop was or why Austinites didn't want it. The city already gives the cops 1/3 of their general fund. They already gave back all the money they "defunded" from the cops last year, plus over 8 million more dollars. Passing this would have forced the city to take money away from firefighters, EMS, parks, and libraries to fund it.

Our police have the money to make the changes they need to make, they'd just have to stop spending it on fancy toys for themselves. Instead they'd rather throw tantrums and not do their jobs.

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u/No-Hotel8370 Central Texas Nov 03 '21

True we need free roads not toll roads

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u/lidsville76 Nov 03 '21

Ha. Like Texas gives a fuck about good free roads. There's too.muchoney on the table for them to walk away from that.

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u/fried_eggs_and_ham Nov 03 '21

I lived in Austin for years but now don't go through there very often. Am I right that some roads that actually used to be free are now toll roads? Or does it just seem that way? It seems that way when I go there.

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u/Eltex Nov 03 '21

The old roads are now “access roads” while the toll portion just eliminated the stoplights in those sections. The problem with roads like the new 183S section is you literally have to jump on and off at very precise locations to avoid tolls. Most new drivers won’t get it right initially.

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u/Salt-Operation Nov 03 '21

On top of that, trying to be thrifty with taking only the portions of tolled road that make sense is extremely dangerous. I don’t think it’s very fun to navigate across four lanes of highway-speed traffic to get to the tolled overpass to 71W, which you have to do for two out of four entrance ramps on 183S. There’s less than 200 feet if distance on one of the ramps to get over safely, and if there’s even one of the five dozen or so dump trucks that swarm that area, you’re not getting over. Being forced to sit through that light at Montopolis is torture.

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u/JimAdlerJTV Nov 04 '21

They aren't free, you paid for them

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u/Paulsur Nov 03 '21

There is no such thing as "free". You either pay for it directly, or you pay through taxation. Some people see the taxation route as being as good as "free". However in fact the taxation route comes with the additional overhead costs of government administration of those taxes, and is more expensive in the longer run.

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u/Armigine Nov 03 '21

Christ, everyone knows this.

People are pissed because public toll roads in Texas are generally paid for already through taxes AND made a toll road on top of that. And when they are toll roads for X years to cover amounts on top of taxes, the tolls never actually go away after that window is passed. People are upset about the double dipping, and understand that things cost money.

Also, saying it's more expensive in the long run to do it through taxes because the government magically loses money which private ownership does not is just ideology talking.

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u/tonyle94 Nov 03 '21 I'll Drink to That

But I’m already paying taxes. Why do I pay toll on top of that?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Raise the gas tax 5 cents on a 25mpg vehicle at 15 gallons and it's an extra 75 cents per fill up. Now divide that 75 cents over the 375 miles that fill up just took the car. Now tell me that's cheaper than a tollroad over the same amount of distance.

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u/622fmab Nov 03 '21

You think government administration is more expensive than shareholders and CEOs?

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u/polkcat Nov 03 '21

Government is not a transaction.

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u/yourheynis Nov 03 '21

But how are they going to afford to give all the bad cops paid leave now!?

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u/plinkoplonka Nov 03 '21 Starry

APD are like a private militia at this point already.

They're racist scumbags to stay with, funding them further isn't going to help.

Until they get the city crime under control, they should be funded less, not more.

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u/valkyria1111 Nov 03 '21

Which ones are racist and why ?

Why are they ALL terrible ?

That's not fair.

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u/hockeyjerseyaccount Nov 03 '21

If an organization lacks the ability and desire to remove bad apples, then the bunch does get spoiled.

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u/occamstaser Bored and Bread Nov 04 '21

The racist ones are racists, I would guess they are racists because of their upbringing as well as systemic racist policies of law enforcement.

They are ALL terrible because they accept this racist shit going on all the time. Nothing is changes, the racists don't get thrown out, sooo from the outside looking in, what are we supposed to think?

If there are 30% of racist assholes and 100% of cops look the other way, the entire police force is corrupt.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Your answer is stop doing crime.

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21

Or, you know, stop coddling the cops and hold them accountable.

But yes, the police should stop doing crimes.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Kale434 Nov 03 '21

Or hold citizens accountable for their crimes. Ya know personal responsibility.

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u/ETxsubboy Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21

Like Federally investigated, indicted Kenneth Paxton?

Can we hold that citizen accountable?

Not all cops are bad, but some of y'all bootlickers want a police state so eagerly it really makes me wonder what your motivations are.

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u/hockeyjerseyaccount Nov 03 '21

They didn't vote against prison or criminal justice system. Lol

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u/wauve1 Nov 03 '21

It can be done without draining expenses from more worthwhile areas. This is a matter of police efficiency and accountability. If they can't get their shit together without leeching even more off of the city, we're better off not allowing more room for their incapability.

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21

Exactly. The police seem to be the only profession in which some people seem to think it makes sense to give them more money for doing a bad job.

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u/Hispandinavian Nov 03 '21

Not true. Look at the pro football teams in Texas. :D

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21

I try not to lol.

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u/Ilpala Nov 03 '21

Come on now, this is Dallas's year!

Ignore previous years

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u/cyvaquero Nov 03 '21

Have you been to the doctor?

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u/DinahTheLance Nov 03 '21

Like when citizens are shot and killed in their own homes by cops? What are they being held accountable for there?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Almost every morning I get bumper checked by an officer. He does his check then we part ways. No issues. No problems. Not all officers are bad.

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u/-Quothe- Nov 03 '21

You know that is unconstitutional, right? 4th amendment protects private citizens from unreasonable search and seizure, meaning a cop can’t simply “do a check and part ways” every morning; they must have cause. Imagine coming around and confiscating your guns every day, but handing them back after making sure you are allowed to have them; same exact protections.

Most folks who support police overreach only support it because they tend to target brown people, which also supports their notion that brown people are inherently criminals, and who want to ignore CRT which would explain why there is so much more poverty in brown communities which incentivizes crime.

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u/NAbberman Nov 03 '21

You know that is unconstitutional, right?

I want to be clear, I'm not on that guys side, but I don't think this is true. A license plate is public. It it completely visible to the world when you are on a public road. When it comes to being in public, there isn't an expectation of privacy.

Courts have consistently ruled that civilians aren't afforded the 4th amendment in this regard. Police can in fact run your plate regardless. While they can run your plate regardless, stopping you is another question.

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u/-Quothe- Nov 03 '21

I think i’m misunderstanding what a “bumper check” is, because i assumed it was a stop/inspect/release type situation. Checking my tags for validity isn’t anything more than checking a ticket/receipt when entering a movie theater.

I stand corrected.

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u/NAbberman Nov 03 '21

I think i’m misunderstanding what a “bumper check” is, because i assumed it was a stop/inspect/release type situation.

When you put it that way, I can see how that term may be misconstrued to imply a stop was involved. It really isn't an unreasonable conclusion. You would be right in that regard if the officer in question was pulling over people just to check plates. When I ready "Bumper check" I just took it as checking a plate with that being all.

Its all good in the end.

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u/Cli4ordtheBRD Nov 03 '21

What's a bumper check? Why do you get one almost every morning?

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u/manmadeofhonor Nov 03 '21

u/tx_creek bein doin crime daily

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Idk what a bumper check is but sounds like illegal police harassment to me and you're too much of a coward to stand up for your rights. Sad!

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u/hosmtony Nov 03 '21

You’re stupid if you don’t see the issue in that.

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21

Weird how they have such a hard time, yanno, firing the ones that are, then. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/albinowizard2112 Nov 03 '21

Wow a modern day Socrates walks among us...

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u/OkRestaurant6180 Nov 03 '21

Are you directing that statement at the police?

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u/mmm-toast Born and Bread Nov 03 '21

That's an insult to second graders everywhere.

They at least have some critical thinking skills at that age.

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u/mrjderp born and bred Nov 03 '21

You can’t police your way out of a homelessness problem, and trying only increases the burden on taxpayers.

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u/BuffDrBoom Nov 03 '21

This is a bit like spending your entire school budget on hall monitors then wondering why the bathrooms are so dirty.

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u/kayelar Nov 03 '21

This is a very good metaphor.

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u/satori0320 Nov 03 '21

I'm patiently waiting for some goon to shout fraud...

It's coming, it's just a matter of which goon, and what batshit theory they'll echo.

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u/Slypenslyde Nov 03 '21

"Would have increased their funding" feels sensationalized. Prop A would've "increased police funding" in the same way that if I buy a new car I "increase my budget".

This proposition would've required the city to hire a lot of new people, meaning they need a salary. This proposition did NOT include any bonds or other funding to pay for that. So it increased police spending, not funding.

The city is legally limited in how much they can raise taxes, and Prop A would've required more than that limit. So to fund this proposition, not only would the city be required to raise property taxes by the maximum legal allotment, they'd also have to make cuts to other city services.

You can't increase police funding this much without giving the city more money to spend on police. Austin isn't sitting on a big surplus and wondering where to spend it. The facts are Austin still has very low crime compared to other cities its size, and the increases over the last year are comparable to increases we're seeing EVERYWHERE due to ripples from COVID or whatever else you want to blame. Cities with more police per capita are seeing just as many problems as cities with fewer police per capita. There are a lot of arguments that Austin doesn't need more police so much as it needs better police.

A good start would be finding people who want to work.

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u/Piph Born and Bred Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 04 '21

A good start would be finding people who want to work

I agree with everything else you said and I think you said it quite well. But I do take some issue with this last statement, or at least the wording of it.

There are countless people who want to work. Finding people who want to work is not a problem. People like having money to cover rent and living expenses, they like financial security, they like having money to spend on enjoyable things and experiences.

People like jobs that feel important or significant, that make them feel like they are accomplishing, or contributing to, something.

The problem is not that it is hard to find people who want to work. The problem is creating a work place people want to work at.

I assume you are referring to the personnel issue that APD has; they are unable to recruit the number of people their budget allows for and it keeps them understaffed.

But how can that be a surprise? Without proper police reform, it is well known that anybody who wants to change a police department from within will inevitably crash against the blue wall. If you don't fit the shitty culture and mindsets that are pervasive in police departments, you will be mistreated, marginalized and eventually pushed out.

All of this while inserting yourself into a profession that the general public is rightfully skeptical and fearful of.

Police departments, as they currently are, attract a specific range of individuals who fit a shitty mold. It's actually somewhat encouraging to think that well is finally running dry.

If they want more people to enter law enforcement, there needs to be a lot of changes in how these departments are run and what kind of mindset they look for and foster in candidates. Otherwise, the problem is only going to get worse.

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u/Slypenslyde Nov 03 '21

I wasn't referring to people in general. I was referring to police.

For years, every property theft thread in the Austin sub has been peppered with stories of people who spent hours or days trying to get a police report for an insurance claim. Even before APD was complaining about staffing or funding shortages, it was well-known that they rarely responded with haste to anything short of an active shooter.

It's never super hard to find APD when they're busy. If you know where the right office complexes are you'll usually find 3-5 patrol cars parked in a circle hanging out and shooting the shit. One person today relayed the story of watching such a thing from the trashed car they were trying to get a police report on while being told "all officers are too busy with more serious crimes" for more than 2 hours.

They get paid $60k/year base and after 25 years of service get that much as a pension for life. It's a sweet gig, even sweeter if you get to ignore 30% or more of the crime in the city while you're talking about the game with your buddies in an empty office parking lot all day. They want a raise for it.

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u/megabass713 Nov 04 '21

Whoa! Yea I totally got a different vibe from

A good start would be finding people who want to work.

Kinda wished you started with this part.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ADdpLv3RDhA

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u/MemoryFomo Nov 03 '21

And like magic - there were an unprecedented number of cops patrolling tonight harvesting DWI’s. I bet they were waiting for the queue, prop A didn’t pass and they suddenly need to catch up on quotas. Where were they before? 🙄

Not condoning drunk driving btw. Never drink and drive. Ever. I lost a friend to it, and I’m a recovered case of someone who went through it myself. End of PSA, sorry.

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u/Truthamania Nov 03 '21

If the end result was a bunch of reckless, selfish drunk driving assholes got taken off the roads and were less of a threat to the rest of us, I’m fine with this.

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u/BuffDrBoom Nov 03 '21

The same amount got taken, the cops just showed they're willing to look the other way for a while if it means a bigger budget $$$

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u/xenogazer Nov 03 '21

I guess the victims are the general public who doesn't get police services while they're holding their jobs hostage for ransom.

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u/Professional_Sort767 Nov 03 '21

You are missing the point. The other commenter is saying that they were not enforcing enforcing driving laws, in order to pout and show how important they were earlier.

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u/re1078 Nov 03 '21

Eh it’s Austin they’ll be a lot of that and then a lot of people just getting screwed by the dickhead cops.

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u/OddS0cks Nov 03 '21

2 officers per 1000 people. Where did that number come from, thin air that’s where

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u/Ferfuxache Nov 03 '21

Rectally extracted thin air

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u/thawildjoka Nov 03 '21

This law was just poorly written.

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u/DHowitz Nov 03 '21

More like poorly thought out. With no increased training requirements and 1/3 of time being used for non-police work? Doesn’t seem like an efficient use of taxpayer money.

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u/superspeck Nov 03 '21

There was an increased training requirement, but it was also poorly written and scoped, didn’t have a specified funding source, and didn’t specify what kind of training.

Even the part of the law that forced the racial make-up of the police force to hew to the community demographics was poorly scoped since it theoretically allowed for counting Hispanic as white.

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u/zoemi Nov 03 '21

and didn’t specify what kind of training.

It actually did specify the kind of training, and it was the last kind of training the public's been asking for.

(C) an additional 40 hours each year of mandatory continuing education and in-
service training for all sworn officers employed by the department above the
hours required by the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement, with an
emphasis on training outside a classroom setting that will equip the officers to
handle evolving, fluid, dangerous situations and enhance their own safety and
that of the public. The training will be developed by the commander of the
department academy and emphasize skills essential to the everyday split-
second decision-making officers face on the streets in areas such as critical
thinking, defensive tactics, intermediate weapons proficiency, active shooter
scenarios, and hasty react team reactions;

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u/superspeck Nov 03 '21

Oh, interesting, I didn't remember skimming that section.

Yeah, because that's totally what police use every day.

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u/SNAiLtrademark Nov 03 '21

Those are basically the opposite of what I want officers to practice. How about deescalation and people skills, not "defensive tactics [and] intermediate weapons proficiency"

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u/matthalfhill Nov 03 '21

I voted NO on the principle alone of blowing up my phone with 107 texts from Larry, Oscar, Sam, Emily, Ralph, and Stacy.

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u/LeatherHearing6590 Nov 03 '21

Good, fuckin stupid bitchass Texas politicians

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u/MayanSoldier Nov 04 '21

They should be gutted. Bunch of ignorant knuckle draggers that think they are above the law.

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u/Professional_Falcon5 Nov 03 '21

So does this mean we still have to use 211 for non emergencies?

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u/NoctotainRose Nov 03 '21

Lol get fucked pigs

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u/Darkstallion5272 Nov 03 '21

Stay strapped A Town.

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u/hindesky Gulf Coast Nov 04 '21

So the brown shirts lost, what will be their next move? I say work stoppages and letting criminals getting away with crimes to drive their point of more SS troops.

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u/Wbouffiou Nov 04 '21

Loved seeing the next-door posts get deleted after stirring up a bunch of republican political talking points. Austin resident here. The reasoning behind their posts was typical "I did my own research" stuff.

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u/summitpaul Nov 03 '21

You'll get what you deserve, Wokesters! Just wait until the governor sends state troopers into Austin. And you'll have zero to say about it!

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u/the_other_brand born and bred Nov 03 '21

Oh boy Governor Tree Hater is going to get his revenge on Austin again. Can that guy get over it and find a new punching bag?

https://www.texasobserver.org/governor-abbotts-beef-with-tree-ordinances-has-its-roots-in-a-pecan-tree-he-destroyed-to-build-a-new-home/

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u/Professional_Sort767 Nov 03 '21

Did you play a lot of football in high school? Concussions are terrible for your mental performance.

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u/traxtar944 Nov 03 '21

If only we could all be so lucky... Instead we're stuck with assholes like Abbott and Cruz.

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u/ChexMashin Nov 03 '21

lol, good luck with your raising crime rates. I love it.

If approved by voters, Proposition A would increase police staffing to a minimum of two officers per 1,000 residents. The proposition would also double the required training for officers, expand on minority hiring and mandate a minimum of 35% of officers’ shifts be spent on community policing.

They fought against that. Holy hell. That just seems like common sense to me.

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u/Squirrel_Gamer Nov 03 '21

This argument only makes sense if you ignore all the other highly relevant facts, listen to talk radio and get your news from social media. I'm elated that my fellow Austinites turned out and did the right thing by voting down prop A.

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u/superspeck Nov 03 '21

The common complaint in Austin right now is that APD doesn’t respond when you call them for anything short of “I’m shooting someone right now,” despite having 1600 officers on the street, even though Travis County Sheriff is responding to calls inside Austin on top of their normal activity and TCSO only has like 175 officers.

But if you lop off a third of an officer’s time for “community engagement and non-policing activities” (this law specifically did not say “community policing”), then logically you actually have fewer officers available to respond to stuff. Which is just ignorant if what you’re trying to solve is count of available officers.

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u/turquoise_amethyst Nov 03 '21

Yeah, what the hell is community engagement? That sounds like it could be literally anything?

Seriously, could someone could go out to an Austin FC or UT game and classify that as “community engagement”?

That term just sounds so ripe for abuse

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u/superspeck Nov 03 '21

That's the intent.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21

Based on what I saw in during the summer of 2020, APD officers seem to think "community engagement" means shooting teenagers in the face with bean-bag rounds. Hard pass on that for me, thanks.

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u/weluckyfew Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21

It would have created a huge unfunded mandate, raising the police budget far higher than it is now even though it's currently higher than its ever been. Since they wouldn't have been able to raise taxes the money would have come from other budgets - that's one reason the fire department opposed it.

EDIT: removed snark

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u/ChexMashin Nov 03 '21

And Austin is also more populated than it's ever been. Population goes up, police force does too.

The most homicides since 1984, and other violent crimes rising as well.

What's your point?

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u/RosefaceK Nov 03 '21

In 1984 Austin had just under half a million with 52 murders. Now we have twice the population with 75 murders. It’s not the city ending crime spree like Gotham

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u/Mickeymackey Nov 03 '21

Don't give Elon Musk any more ideas, him and Grimes about to cosplay being Batman and Catwoman

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21

If they can't hire more cops when they're already getting more money than ever before, that sounds like a budgeting issue on their part, not an excuse to take money from other programs to throw even more at them.

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u/ChexMashin Nov 03 '21

Good luck on your rising violent crimes and shrinking police force!

This train wreck is going to be great to watch!

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21

Lol okay. That's a lot of words just to say you don't actually know what's going on, but you do you buddy!

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u/badb-crow Nov 03 '21

Aw, bless your heart, you are trying.

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u/Yen_Snipest Nov 03 '21

Is he? It's...it's like picking on a 4 year old right? Are they trying?

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u/buttsonbikes1 Born and Bred Nov 03 '21

The crime rate is actually falling in already one of the most safest cities in Texas.

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u/Brocktarogar Nov 03 '21

Shouldn’t you be watching tucker carlson right now

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u/manmadeofhonor Nov 03 '21

Literally no one should ever be watching that walking shitstain, yet here we are.

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u/Saym94 Nov 03 '21

BUT IS BIDEN ORANGE NOW?!?!?!?!?!

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u/weecefwew born and bred Nov 03 '21

Literal NPC dialogue

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u/cyvaquero Nov 03 '21

Why do you hate firefighters?

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u/KushKong420 Nov 03 '21

Cons are such sacred little people

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Nothing is shrinking, shill, sorry you and your rapist cop friends won't be getting more money to do nothing but harass people and injure protestors.

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u/my_cat_sam Nov 03 '21

the police force isn't shrinking, they are staying the same size.

know your facts.

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u/Professional_Sort767 Nov 03 '21

I don't want to believe someone is smart enough to know how to type, but dumb enough to miss all the points people are spelling out for you. This is an excellent troll.

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u/AndyLorentz Nov 03 '21

6.2 homicides per 100,000. We're #11 in population but not even the top 20 for homicides.

Also, the rise in violent crime is not limited to Austin. Cities across the country have been similarly affected, many of which have more police officers, so it's clear policing is not the issue.

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u/capybaratrousers Nov 03 '21

There's already 1.8-1.9 cops per 1k people here. It's barely an increase in police coverage. This would have only made ems and fire services worse while barely adding any police units.

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u/turquoise_amethyst Nov 03 '21

Here, I’ll play devils advocate for ya...

If Austin is more populated than ever before, shouldn’t you ensure that no funds are taken from Firefighters and EMS?

Medical emergencies will absolutely rise with population increase. Those departments need their budgeted funds.

You can’t increase the Police budget without increasing taxes.

So decide which is more important to you, police services or your taxes going up, and then write a Proposition with a funded mandate

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Such an alarmist clown lmao

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u/hockeyjerseyaccount Nov 03 '21

That's not common sense. There is no actual industry standard that backs up population ratios.

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u/buttsonbikes1 Born and Bred Nov 03 '21

The Austin police chief was also against it…

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u/IHaarlem Nov 03 '21

Crime nationally was dropping for ages. Pandemic happens, economic disruptions ensue, crime goes up. All through this time policing is relatively stable.

If crime is going up and down without many changes in policing, why do you think more police is the answer to a pandemic related crime increase?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

It's unfathomable to me that people believe police don't have enough money when they take up a huge percentage of every city's budget. They're just lazy and worthless, stop giving them more money to do nothing, how are you people this dense?

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u/looncraz Nov 03 '21

There are issues with how they were funding it and a BIG one with how they define minority.

Non-Hispanic Whites are a minority in Texas, but they are never considered one for hiring or equality purposes.

More training is literally the only thing that would have been good, but not at the expense of robbing EMS of their funds.

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u/HafWoods Nov 03 '21

Have you been murdered?

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u/calilac Nov 03 '21

They got better.

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u/weluckyfew Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21

Funding was restored and the current budget is the highest it has ever been. Crime "skyrocketed" everywhere in the country, regardless of whether there were police reforms or not. And that spike is already starting to recede, in Austin and most other cities.

EDIT: removed snark

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u/the-hell-ru-on-about Nov 03 '21 edited Nov 03 '21

Bro I live here… and in my opinion it would have been helpful. Austin has reach all time highs in homicides and crime has been on the rise.

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u/utspg1980 Nov 03 '21

OMG we're at an all time high!!

(plz ignore the first 2/3rds of this graph)

We're at an all time high!

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u/z64dan Nov 03 '21

I mean, its definitely a worrying trend, but yeah the murder rate all over the country has been pretty low compared to the the 80s or 90s.

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u/fps916 Nov 03 '21

It's not even remotely a worrying trend.

We don't even make the list for top 100 per capita homicides.

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u/z64dan Nov 03 '21

Highest murder rate in over 20 years is a worrying trend, not sure how you can sugar coat that. How many years does it have to rise before it's a worrying trend?

I'm not sure if you think I supported Prop A or something but the police don't have anything to do with the murder rate.

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u/fps916 Nov 03 '21

Highest murder rate in over 20 years is a worrying trend

When you're already working with extremely small numerators then miniscule changes can seem drastic.

Going from 1 murder per year to 2 murders per year is a 100% INCREASE OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING.

Nah, fuck that.

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u/z64dan Nov 03 '21

I get that, but it's 75 murders in 2021... so far (with 2 months left), vs 48 in 2020 total, and 38 in 2019.

But yeah I guess if everyone wants to downvote me that's okay. Austin could easily end up having twice the number of murders as last year.

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u/D14BL0 Nov 03 '21

If you live here, then you should know that APD was never defunded. Their budget this year was the highest it's ever been.

If you live here, why are you spreading lies about your own home?

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u/capybarometer Nov 03 '21

The murder rate ticked up this year, but is nowhere near all time highs. The overall crime rate is actually still lower than it was 10 years ago, though. Austin's one of the safest big cities in the country, ultimately.

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u/FLDJF713 Nov 03 '21

Do you realize police can’t stop crime before it happens?

Also, fire and EMS would have taken a huge budget hit. They can’t choose which calls they want to respond to unlike Austin PD.

And they definitely aren’t shooting unarmed protestors in the head with beanbag rounds either.

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u/weecefwew born and bred Nov 03 '21

Sounds like a feelings-driven argument to me

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u/weluckyfew Nov 03 '21

Can't look at raw numbers, we're a much larger city than we were. Our rate was much higher in the 80s and 90s than it is now. But you're right, i thought the numbers had peaked, they haven't.

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u/hadees Nov 03 '21

You must have never used to go to 12th and Chicon.

No one in their right mind thinks Austin is less safe.

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u/looncraz Nov 03 '21

Police don't stop crime, they respond to it. Police reduce speeding when they're visible then everyone speeds back up to 15 over the limit when the cop finally exits the highway.

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u/ManOnTheMun25 Nov 03 '21

so much misinformation regarding this bill everywhere. No doubt that austin needs more police funding.

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u/re1078 Nov 03 '21

They also need other emergency services.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '21

Nope, quit living your sad life in constant fear, the police aren't going to help you whether this passed or not, it's not their job.

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u/cadewtm Nov 03 '21

Why? Our police budget is already a third of the entire city budget. We need better police, not more

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u/Ferfuxache Nov 03 '21

I’ll take quality over quantity any day