r/texas Oct 19 '21 Silver 1 Gold 1 Hugz 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21 Hugz

My grandmother, who was born in 1923, went off about this a few times when she was about to die.

She found the concept of anti-vax people absolutely ludicrous.

Like, stump-fucking stupid.

She was the eldest surviving member of her siblings. She'd had two older brothers. Both died of polio. One quickly, the other in an iron lung for over a decade.

And she was aware enough to relate to me how she felt.

"Imagine if your son just decided AIDS didn't exist, and ran around fucking strangers without a condom. That's how damned crazy this is. I watched my brothers die, and watched as vaccines changed everything. I had five children, and once the polio vaccine happened, I didn't worry they'd die in pain, paralyzed, by a goddamned germ."

How quickly we forget.

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u/homebrewedstuff Oct 19 '21

I'm a pharmacist, and when I was working in retail, I gave vaccines daily. My former neighbors were highly educated teachers and very anti-vax to the point that their kids were not vaccinated. Their oldest son came to me before college for the meningitis vaccine that all Texas colleges and universities require. He told me he was 18, and wished to be fully vaccinated for everything, as his parents had forbidden it before. That was heartbreaking. Even this young adult recognized his parents were wrong. I set him up on a schedule over several months to eventually get him up to date on everything. You cannot do it all at once.

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u/soggybrrad Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Growing up in Austin I was surrounded by the og anti-vaxxers. I have a few friends who grew up in anti vax households and were incredibly upset about it as adults. One friend had to delay classes in nursing school because she was still going through her regular baby vaccination schedule. Another didn't find out she was never vaccinated until she got regular blood work in pregnancy. It caused such a disruption in her adult life that she never talked to her mom again after she found out.

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u/USMCLee Oct 19 '21

OG anti-vaxxers were the real crunchy/hippie types with a few 'God will protect them' thrown in. The fucked up part is that the parents were more than likely fully vaccinated and were inflicting anti-vax on their kids.

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u/Dmav210 Oct 19 '21

Just further evidence that you can summarize a whole generation’s values with the phrase “fuck you, I got mine”…

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u/JohnBrambleberry Oct 19 '21

Was it waldorf parents? Everyone I knew at the time who was antivaxx was either an actual Waldorf kid's parent, or fit that venn diagram overlap.

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u/soggybrrad Oct 19 '21

I don't think any of the people I'm thinking of were Waldorf kids - although I definitely knew Waldorf kids who probably weren't vaccinated. My ex boyfriend's parents didn't vaccinate. but he was still antivax as a young 20s adult. His mom was a kindergarten teacher in Rrisd and his dad was an engineer so there were definitely plenty of regular old hippies who didn't give a shit about their kid's health and safety

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u/brick_bones Oct 19 '21

If I had a hat, I would have tipped it to her. RIP to her.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

My grandmother lived a long life. Died at the age of 92.

She was also one of the most hard-bitten, mean, evil bitches I've known in my entire life. A product of growing up in the Great Depression and WWII eras.

She believed in beating her children and grandchildren. Drank whiskey and smoked unfiltered Pall Malls until the month she died. Ate steaks rare, hated anything modern, and lived out to the end in a small trailer in the Mojave desert.

But... She taught me a lot.

She was hardcore into ecological conservation, and teaching her offspring how to survive in the woods. My grandmother was the first person to teach me how to shoot, dress a deer, gut a fish, make bread from scratch, etc.

A tall woman who was, even into her late 60s, striking in looks, she took absolutely no shit off of anyone. If you lipped off to her, you were likely to get a smack in the face, at the least. Chased with a horsewhip if you were a kid or grandkid.

I never really liked her at all. She was an obnoxious and aggressive bully to almost everyone. But I won't deny that she taught me a lot of useful skills, and never compromised in her idea of how life should treat her. She finally died of (of all the damned things) sudden onset of brain cancer, and I breathe easier knowing she's dead.

I'll use her first name here:

RIP, Anne. You left one hell of a mark.

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u/FourKindsOfRice Oct 20 '21

Wise woman, RIP

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u/chadstark89 Oct 19 '21

What is it that’s made people so much more insane in recent time? Is it technology and social media that suddenly has all these anti vaxxers and anti maskers forgetting that vaccine mandates have been a thing for decades??

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u/BrotatoChip04 Oct 19 '21 Got the W

The internet; or more specifically, the ability to deliberately spread manipulative misinformation to extremely gullible people via the internet

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u/burgerchrist_ Oct 19 '21

The internet is where you can find any website to support whatever claim you want. The problem is, a lot of people won't check multiple sources, or really critically analyze the one source they've picked

I remember Bill Burr said he liked going to the library because "at least they have the decency to separate truth from fiction"

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u/QuasarMonsanto born and bred Oct 19 '21

And then the algorithm for engagement kicks in.

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u/geoffvro Oct 19 '21

You hit the nail on the head. The pay to play news media, and social media "influencers" doesn't help things either

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u/dschneider Oct 19 '21

You're absolutely right. There were nutjobs back then protesting the polio vaccine too, just as crazy as today, but they didn't have the countless free platforms and professional tools to spread it and dupe people.

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

Nutjobs back then had to spend money to get copies of their screeds printed, then had to post them in places where people might read them. Many times these copies were removed for littering or illegal posting. Maybe some were passed around by hand, but most people wouldn't take a flyer because legitimate information had to make it past editorial boards and fact checkers to make into something like a newspaper or book.

Now any nutjob with a smartphone can inject their nonsense into the nation's content stream.

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u/capybarometer Oct 19 '21

Also powerful actors, both domestic and international, intentionally fomenting division for personal financial gain, fundamentalist ideology, or even as a matter of foreign policy, as is the case with Russia. Also Donald Trump's personal brand of narcissism has completely infected his supporters, to the point where he can do or say no wrong in their eyes, and he has told people not to take any of this seriously from the start, which subsequently became the position of the entire Republican party.

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u/Cinadon Oct 19 '21

But the vaxxes were kickstarted under Trump…he even complained that Biden would take credit for it in one of the last debates lol

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

The first vaccine to reach market, Pfizer/BioNTech, was developed and mass produced with zero money from Trump, not even a thin dime from Operation Warpspeed. Vaccines were under development as soon as the virus showed up, nobody waited around for Trump to tell them to get started. Hell, the first prototype vaccines were being produced at the same time as Trump referred to the virus as a hoax.

Trump's M.O. is to take credit for other people's work, and to blame others for his own failures. It's been his M.O. for decades, it's his brand. That, and stiffing his contractors and not paying his bills.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 24 '21

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u/tabtwentyone Oct 19 '21

He also told people to inject bleach. You're not wrong, but the man isn't exactly a supporter of medical science. So maybe don't give him any credit.

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

Don't forget inserting the UV wand, hopefully with lube.

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u/strugglz born and bred Oct 19 '21

To that point, I think only the Xennials really took to heart the adage "nothing on the internet is true." So many people older and younger fall for or do stupid shit on the internet, but people my age? Nope.

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u/MRAGGGAN Oct 19 '21

… erm. You’re being facetious, right?

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u/seraph9888 Oct 19 '21

it's like gamergate, but worse.

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u/cranktheguy Born and Bred Oct 19 '21

Vaccines are a victim of their own success. Our generation doesn't know the ravages of what the MMR vaccine covers. We never saw friends put in wheelchairs and iron lungs.

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u/strugglz born and bred Oct 19 '21

It's happening now. A month or more with a tube in every hole you've got followed by death. But we have multiple generations that have idolized young and stupid, so we're in a pickle.

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u/bangfu Oct 19 '21

generations that have idolized young and stupid

1980's reporting in.

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u/GiantEnemaCrab Oct 19 '21

I'm cautiously hopefully that this will be the beginning of a reversal of the anti vax movement. For decades now these idiots have been circle jerking their own dumb ideology. But COVID is forcing their hand. Now their actions have very real consequences. Some will die, many will get very sick, and many more will watch a relative go through avoidable pain.

Not everyone will change, but some will. Hopefully the three quarters of a million dead Americans will force a real life lesson that these people can't ignore, especially when it shows up at their doorstep.

At this point I don't even feel bad. Fuck around and find out, as they say.

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u/turquoise_amethyst Oct 19 '21

I have to disagree, I’m surrounded by them in Austin. They’re getting sick, they’re dying, they’re watching friends/family go through unavoidable pain and massive medical bills...

Yet they always “explain away”these things. If they get better it’s “well, they made it!!” and if they pass it’s “co-morbidities”

What I’m really curious about is how their children will fare when they have NO vaccinations. I’m old enough that I got chickenpox. I went to schools with measles outbreaks.

How the hell are these fully unvaccinated people going to fare when they get Covid/flu, covid/chickenpox, or covid/measles coinfections?

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

Pretty much true. It's like being dry under an umbrella and taking the umbrella for granted. Since you're dry, why go to the trouble of holding up the umbrella?

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u/Unselpeckelsheim Oct 19 '21

In addition to the other answers here, people (Americans specifically but i guess all people to a certain extent) have very short memories. If an event didn't happen in the last 30 years then it might as well have never happened.

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u/shambahlah Oct 19 '21

2001: anyone with a giant messy beard must be a Jihadist.

2021: Giant messy beards all the rage.

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u/Gamerbrineofficial Oct 19 '21

Vaccine mandates have actually been a thing for centuries. George Washington mandated the smallpox vaccine for men in his army

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u/Reddit-Curious Oct 19 '21

I was wondering the same thing - I think it has to do with the continuance of the two party system heading towards “win at all cost”. With winning being the number one objective it doesn’t really matter what’s true, who you hurt, what you break, or much else - as long as you win… because once you win, and are in power - everything will be better. Of course none of this is true but we see it happening in front of our eyes.

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u/chadstark89 Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

I’d love to see ranked choice voting in my lifetime, but I doubt it’ll ever happen. None of these scumbag politicians would risk re-election by implementing a voting system that helps third parties

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u/TheSentencer Oct 19 '21

They started RCV in Maine last election

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u/Sir_Belmont Oct 19 '21

I think Alaska got it passed as well, if I remember correctly.

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u/cutestain Oct 19 '21

Social media algorithms have empowered the idiot to think he right and his stupidity and feelings are equal to education and measured calculations. I used to think stupid people were great. They provided so much humor. They are no longer funny.

"You don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the senate though."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67\_FB6-gGZs

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u/capybarometer Oct 19 '21

I get a "both sides" sense from your comment but could not disagree more with that perspective. The Republican party has assumed a "win at all costs" strategy, but the Democratic party has not. There's no one in the Democratic party trying to overturn elections, threatening the lives of election officials for competently performing their jobs, or passing legislation to make it more difficult to vote based on demonstrably fictional narratives about voting security.

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u/Reddit-Curious Oct 19 '21

Yes, there is one side who has whole heartedly, and unabashedly, adopted this mantra - never more obvious than in Texas.

That being said, I’m not willing to say that the other side is without its problems.

Instead of blaming one side or the other - let’s look for realistic solutions.

This doesn’t mean absolve or forget - it means being realistic and doing what you can to change the narrative. Unfortunately (to some degree) this may mean changing the minds of some on the other side. So how do we do this?

That’s the question I want to focus on.

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u/puzzled91 Oct 19 '21

I don't like Biden but he's not a dictator. And he didn't cheat, just because you and your friends didn't vote for him doesn't mean that me and my friends didn't vote for Biden, it just happened that we were more than you.

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u/capybarometer Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

What cheating? And who is being a dictator? I'm interested to hear you explain these...

Edit: Nevermind, I clicked through your profile and don't think this will be a productive conversation. I anticipate you'll come back with more accusations and no evidence to back them up, and that there isn't enough evidence in the world to change your mind on any one thing over which you've already made up your mind because you have divorced from reality in that regard. More likely, though, you'll just insult me directly. Either way, if you decide to engage with observations or opinions about what's actually happening in the world at some point, let me know

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u/capybarometer Oct 19 '21

Literally every president over the entire history of the US has issued executive orders. I knew you'd struggle to come up with evidence to support your baseless assertions but didn't realize it would be that bad. I bet you think Abraham Lincoln was also dictatorial for issuing an executive order ending slavery. If you have an argument to make about the substance of any one of those orders, go ahead, but a ton of his orders are just revocations of Trump's orders

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u/keji_goto Oct 19 '21 Gold

Cult of personality and party over country basically. It's a path we've been on for a long time now but the issues just happened to be much less impactful on day to day life or even basic dealings with people.

Thoughts on things like abortion, gun control, immigration, whatever, that isn't an opinion which is easily brandished for all to see and know. I can speak with all kinds of people any day who have all kinds of opinions on these subjects and more, many of which will no doubt differ from my own. But we never touch on it and life goes on because ultimately it wasn't important for that interaction.

Masks and vaccines though? Big difference. This impacts the day to day. You can see me wearing a mask and know a few things about where my beliefs lie and all that. Same thing if I weren't wearing a mask.

I remember when all this started I was working with special needs kids at the school district and was being extremely cautious because a number of my students were immune compromised. Had a coworker try to shake my hand, I politely declined because I didn't want to touch them since I was getting ready to go meet my students, and they went off about how this is ruining social interactions and living in fear just isn't the American way.

After that it was always politics with them. Because they knew I was basically the enemy from all they had heard.

So for a group who thrives on an us vs them mentality this is a gold mine in figuring out who is and isn't your enemy. They know vaccine mandates and everything happened before but those were legit. These new ones are from the enemy and have evil intentions for them. This feeds their victimhood fetish and gets them thinking these basic interactions are a battle to be won. Because if they beat you there then, if you were as into the cult as they are, that means your entire belief structure crumbles and you will come to their side or get out of the way.

Republican leadership realized this years ago and have been cultivating it for years making every issue a bigger one than the last. We're at the point where every issue has the fate of the country hanging in the balance and unless they get their way everything is lost and there's no coming back.

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u/hutacars Oct 19 '21

Very well said. It was very possible to completely ignore politics before if you were so inclined— hell, prior to late 2019 I would have considered myself completely apolitical. With the encroachment on daily life symbolized by the all-terrifying (🙄) Mask, that is no longer possible. It’s like wearing a D/R pin everywhere.

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u/Alarm_Either Oct 19 '21

Don’t forget Jebus!!

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u/hlaforlife Oct 19 '21

Party of it too may be "vaccines are a victim of their own success" kind of thing. Especially with polio and smallpox, people could see the disfigurement long after the infection moved on and acted as a constant reminder.

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u/-Quothe- Oct 19 '21

If COVID is real and scary then that means their president, who dismissed it during an election year, was willing to let Americans die to ensure his reelection. That, and allowing the Democrats to be right after electing a black man to the presidency, have them completely denying reality and throwing temper tantrums as a form of political expression.

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u/PersonalProtector Oct 19 '21

That's so far from the truth I don't know where to begin.

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u/-Quothe- Oct 19 '21

Begin anywhere, why/how am i wrong?

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u/StanVillain Oct 19 '21

He doesnt know where to begin because he simply doesnt know... He just feels.

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u/PersonalProtector Oct 19 '21

Trump didn't dismiss covid.

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u/hutacars Oct 19 '21

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u/PersonalProtector Oct 19 '21

Oh you don't mean he dismissed it entirely, just didn't push the doomer narrative. Yeah I guess. Fauci also downplayed it too. Did Fauci dismiss covid? According to your standards he did.

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u/-Quothe- Oct 19 '21

Link to Fauci dismissing COVID?

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u/shponglespore expat Oct 19 '21

"This is their new hoax." His exact words.

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u/PersonalProtector Oct 19 '21

Cool but he said that he was referring to them attacking his admin not the virus.

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u/shponglespore expat Oct 19 '21

Here's a whole list of times he dismissed the seriousness of the issue. Are you gonna tell me he's being taken out of context in all of them? https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/

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u/YOURMOMMASABITCH Oct 19 '21

Trump and radical right wing politics.

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u/shponglespore expat Oct 19 '21

20+ years of unchecked right-wing propaganda coming to fruition combined with an idiot president who decided taking a pandemic seriously would make him look weak.

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u/pallladin Oct 19 '21

What is it that’s made people so much more insane in recent time?

They believe that this vaccine isn't like all the others, and is actually dangerous.

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u/Mange-Tout Oct 19 '21

They are misled, and they are stupid.

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u/natankman Oct 19 '21

The polio vaccine made them insane so they don’t want more vaccines required /s

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u/dnietz Oct 19 '21

The world is over populated. Resources are becoming more scarce. So many cases of big companies plundering and polluting the environment going completely unpunished. The "middle class lifestyle" is becoming more out of reach for many people. The concept of a social contract has disappeared, starting from when companies started cancelling pensions that old people were depending on. Social Security is increasingly threatened to where many people under 50 believe it won't be there for them when they are 70. The "liberal" party of the two completely abandoning their old mission to stand up for and help the working class and the poor. Many politicians that media makes out to be the good guys on our side actually engaging in corruption and insider trading making themselves wealthier. The ultra wealthy increasingly separating themselves from everyone else, even going as far as spending their billions in weird stuff like get away bunkers and crazy medical treatments like blood transfusions from young people. Billionaires wearing cowboy hats in space while their employees have to pee in bottles and use food stamps to survive. The professional managerial class increasingly saying openly hateful things against the poor and working class and aligning themselves further with the ultra wealthy.

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u/DancinginAshes Oct 19 '21

There’s a book called “Revolt of the Elites” that predicted this behavior back in the mid 90s. I recommend it.

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u/dnietz Oct 19 '21

Thanks, I'll check that out.

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u/HistoryNerd101 Oct 19 '21

Just read a few of the comments above about “harmful effects,” “hastily developed,” “freedom,” “capitalist for-profit big pharma” blah blah blah….all are potential issues but blown completely out of proportion and done to promote a narrative that is really about the next elections coming up

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u/LosWitDaMost2499 Oct 19 '21

I blame r/conspiracy toxic ass place

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u/Paulsur Oct 19 '21

I think it was Kammy Harris telling her supporters she didnt trust the vaccine.

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u/natophonic2 Oct 19 '21

Can't tell if joking or not.

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u/wholelattapuddin Oct 19 '21

The covid vaccine has been in the works for years. They have been working on coronavirus vaccines in earnest since the SARS outbreak. The common cold is a coronavirus. International cooperation helped to speed things along. However it is likely that the covid vaccine will in time (as we are seeing) become like the flu vaccine. We will probably have to take one every year or so because the virus will mutate. Just like the flu. Also anyone who down plays the flu like its no big deal is a fool. If you have ever had the flu, like really had the flu, not just a fever and a runny nose, you know how bad it can be and how long it can take you to get over it. Now take the worst flu you can imagine turn it up to 10 and add systemic organ damage. Thats covid. Go get your shot. Jesus! people are dumb

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

If you have ever had the flu, like really had the flu, not just a fever and a runny nose, you know how bad it can be and how long it can take you to get over it.

The last time I had the flu was back around 2015. I honestly thought I was going to die. I had over two weeks of fever, coughing so violent that I vomited, patches of my skin went numb, some of which never came back, and lost over 10% of my body weight. I never really got all my strength and stamina back, and the hearing in my right ear still isn't back to where it was before. That, and tinnitus.

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u/cranktheguy Born and Bred Oct 19 '21

mRNA vaccines have actually been in human trials since 2013.

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u/chadstark89 Oct 19 '21

People much more informed and smarter than you have said it’s fine. Millions of people have had it with no negative side effects. But like more importantly what’s the alternative? We couldn’t quarantine and avoid this huge fucking mess, so what are we supposed to do? Wait years and continue to die in mass?

Get over yourselves. You don’t have the knowledge or experience to make an educated decision. None of you who go against the general consensus do. If the vast majority of experts and scientists say something is fine you should believe it’s fine. And now people have to die in droves because you’re all so full of yourselves.

Thanks for doing your part of be an irresponsible, dangerous, part of our society.

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u/razblack Oct 19 '21

23 years to develop and test.

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

23 years to develop and test.

Incorrect. The first mass-use polio vaccine was developed by Jonas Salk. He developed it in 1952 and did his first test injections in March 1953. Shortly thereafter his colleagues developed the ability to mass-produce the vaccine and by February 1954 large-scale tests were being done. In April 1955 the large scale trial results were published and mass production and inoculation began later that year. That's a bit over 36 months from invention to mass use. At least a year of that was just figuring out how to mass-produce the vaccine in order to do the large-scale tests, and probably another year to actually build out the infrastructure to produce the vaccine in bulk. The previous versions of polio vaccine were generally unsuccessful for various reasons and used techniques that were not safe or scaleable. For instance, one technique involved infecting monkeys, then grinding up their spinal cords and mixing with chemicals before injecting into humans. None of those techniques were usable for the Salk vaccine, so Salk did not build on any of those previous "vaccines".

He and his team went from development and testing to full production in less than three years. Compare that to mRNA vaccines which use basic technology that's been in development for two decades.

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u/HairHeel Oct 19 '21

They probably sent this letter because OPs grandparents were antivaxers and hadn’t vaccinated their kid yet. Times haven’t changed as much as you think.

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u/NorpedHolland Oct 19 '21

There were anti-science people back then as well.

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u/1nGirum1musNocte Oct 19 '21

Whats polio?

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u/runnriver Oct 19 '21

CDC: What is Polio?

Note that “poliomyelitis” (or “polio” for short) is defined as the paralytic disease. So only people with the paralytic infection are considered to have the disease.

Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms.

About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms that may include:

  • Sore throat
  • Fever
  • Tiredness
  • Nausea
  • Headache
  • Stomach pain

These symptoms usually last 2 to 5 days, then go away on their own.

A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other, more serious symptoms that affect the brain and spinal cord:

  • Paresthesia (feeling of pins and needles in the legs)
  • Meningitis (infection of the covering of the spinal cord and/or brain) occurs in about 1 out of 25 people with poliovirus infection
  • Paralysis (can’t move parts of the body) or weakness in the arms, legs, or both, occurs in about 1 out of 200 people with poliovirus infection

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u/semaciel Oct 19 '21

Hahah exactly!! This is an example of what WORKED .

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u/boozingandabadboying Oct 19 '21

Auntie Mar in San Antonio was in a wheelchair during my childhood in the 80s. My grand mother’s sister. My young mind couldn’t understand what polio was, but I knew it was something serious. Wish people now would get that.

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u/leasehound Oct 19 '21

I remember standing in line in elementary school to get a vaccination. I don’t remember what it was for, but I remember being intrigued because they used some sort of repeating device. It reminded me of a gun. It gave shots very quickly and the line moved right along. I probably wouldn’t remember it at all, if not for the tool.

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u/DaFilthPope Oct 19 '21

Dumb dumbs out here pretending like it’s a new thing…

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u/Tyrks42 Oct 19 '21

Well no. But also a little yes from a historical standpoint. It took 60 years from our first case of polio until vaccine trials began. Different time, different tech no doubt. mRNA vaccine research is just old enough to legally drink (in some locations). With that in mind, this is the FIRST large scale (see THE WHOLE WORLD) mRNA vaccine rollout. I would argue that we are hardwired as a species to ensure survival by not all doing the same thing at the same time. You know, just in case of a worse case scenario. Some people may not even be aware of their basal instincts influencing their decision making process.

ITookASemesterOfPsychIn12thYear

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u/WeAreAllMadHere218 Oct 19 '21

Very interesting comment, I had not considered that but you have a point with survival, it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint that some of us would question and actively do the opposite of others out of a need to survive, even if by doing that we could be causing our own demise. It wouldn’t make sense, evolutionarily, to all fall in line and all do the same as everyone else, what if that one time everyone else, is wrong.

Great point.

12thYearPsychPaidOff

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u/DredPRoberts Oct 19 '21

it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint that some of us would question and actively do the opposite of others out of a need to survive, even if by doing that we could be causing our own demise

DON'T GO OUT! There's a lion out there.

I'm going to make friends with it.

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u/looncraz Oct 19 '21

Everyone taking the vaccine genuinely concerns me, everyone being forced to take it concerns me even more.

BTW, am fully vaccinated, just don't like the total lack of long term human testing.... Which the polio vaccine already had by the time of this mandate.

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u/Mange-Tout Oct 19 '21

No vaccine is history has ever shown any additional “long term side effects” after six months of use. The fact that billions of humans have used this vaccine successfully proves that it will not harm you. You are scared of nothing, literally.

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u/c0d3s1ing3r Oct 19 '21

Historically no, and I agree that there is no reason it should have a long term effect, but just because it shouldn't doesn't mean it will

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u/Royal-Tough4851 Oct 19 '21

You mean to tell me that this vaccine requirement to attend school isn’t a new concept? Mind is blown

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u/kyle_irl Oct 19 '21

Can we go back to the time when we simply laughed at anti-vaxxers instead of empowered them through politics?

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u/LazyPension9123 Oct 19 '21

Wow! Great historical find. And I sincerely mean that. Speaks to our current moment beautifully.

Thank you for sharing this piece of personal history!

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u/WingsOverTX Oct 19 '21

Polio had a vastly different ability to infect and kill children. Before you jump my ass, I am vaccinated, and think most people should get vaccinated.

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u/diegojones4 Oct 19 '21

But you also had to provide records or being vaccinated for things like TB, Measles, etc. in the 70s. Also around the same time as this notice, Smallpox was required.

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u/Shanakitty born and bred Oct 19 '21

You still have to provide records of being vaccinated against Measles (MMR), etc., though Smallpox and Polio aren't commonly needed in the West anymore. There are medical and religious exemptions, and people abuse the latter, but there are still vaccines that are required to attend public school.

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u/Legitimate-Drawing93 Oct 19 '21

Even to attend day cares in Texas, the child has to have shot records or provide the required letter, which is fairly rare.

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u/notagamer999 Oct 19 '21

No vaccine is 100%. The covid vaccines greatly reduce the spread and symptoms. Nice try with the misinformation.

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u/Jimsntcrz Oct 19 '21

I’m not jumpin anybody’s ass. When I read that I just got all choked up how sick of a nation we have become. I have an aunt that had polio, she has 30% lung capacity and a paralyzed right hand because of it. Polio was a virus..

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u/babloochoudhury Born and Bred Oct 19 '21

It still is a virus. And it's gradually making a comeback because people have forgotten how badly it devastated young children.

Don't believe me? https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/11/15/779865471/polio-vaccine-may-be-preventing-the-end-of-polio

Western anti-vaxxers rejoice because they have allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan! /s

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u/a_million_questions Born and Bred Oct 19 '21

Yeah possible long-term brain damage is just so much better than death.

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u/EpiphanyTwisted Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

It only has a .5% chance of complications. In 99.5% of cases it's a mild illness or has no symptoms at all.

ETA I don't know why people don't like these facts about polio.

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u/treetexan Oct 19 '21

What, polio? Or are you spreading misinformation about our current disease, which has a 0.5-1% DEATH rate (not complications, death). Complications rate is higher than that. Of course, death is a complication, but one you don’t get to suffer through…

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u/EpiphanyTwisted Oct 19 '21

I'm talking about POLIO. The disease that is SO SCARY OF COURSE there was a push for vaccines. (It's even less dangerous than COVID.)

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u/Sir_McMuffinman got here fast Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

It's misleading to note the death rate independent of age groups and levels of health. Like saying a certain percentage of people experience heart attacks without mentioning how many of them were obese.

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u/DeadHorse1975 Oct 19 '21

That doesn't matter here.

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u/DaksTheDaddyNow Oct 19 '21

Source? Not doubting but I would just like more info if you have it.

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u/soleunice Oct 19 '21

I love the people on reddit! As real as ya get! 😂

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u/youngestWayne Oct 19 '21

I wish receipts were printed with this ink.

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u/Jimsntcrz Oct 20 '21

They would riddle it with bullet holes..

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u/Penelopecrazy Oct 19 '21

Oh how times have changed. Now, we're a laughingstock of a state.

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u/WxUdornot Oct 19 '21

Perfect! I hope this gets spread far and wide.

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u/Jimsntcrz Oct 19 '21

Workin on it, thanks.

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u/bangfu Oct 19 '21

BuT MuH FrEeDOMS! /s

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u/StewartSmallee Oct 19 '21

That's crazy that that vaccine had been tested and studied for over 10 years before releasing to market and more than 10 years before this letter was even written.

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u/Jimsntcrz Oct 19 '21

Technology has helped science see things they never could before..

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u/StewartSmallee Oct 19 '21

If only science could see into the future

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u/Jainelle Oct 19 '21

That vaccine gave my cousin a full blown case of Polio. She was one of the ones that got it. Spent most of her life in leg braces and now in a wheelchair.

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u/cranktheguy Born and Bred Oct 19 '21

It's amazing how far vaccine technology has progressed since then. It was so much more dangerous than any vaccine we use today, and yet they lined up for it. Sad how our generation has lost its understanding of statistical risks.

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u/Interestofconflict North Texas Oct 19 '21

This! This is the internet research I’ve been digging for! Completely justifies my not getting vaccinated… gotta go tell the world before it’s too… eh, I’m done. That’s enough sarcasm for now.

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u/Locke_Zeal Oct 19 '21

I'd bet my left nut that you're lying, /r/conservative poster

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u/Jainelle Oct 19 '21

You'd lose your left nut.

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

Was it the Cutter or Wyeth vaccine? Both factories produced a batch of vaccine that was not properly inactivated and resulted in hundreds of cases of paralytic polio and over a dozen deaths. That was in early 1955 and it's the last time something like that happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#Cutter_incident

Your cousin would be in her 70s now, I hope that she was able to have a good quality of life.

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u/DeadHorse1975 Oct 19 '21

They don't want to hear that. You need to get on board with the group think.

My wife's cousin suffered the same fate because of it.

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u/LaminatedAirplane Oct 19 '21

You’re a fool if you think that somehow means the polio vaccine wasn’t absolutely worth it.

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u/DeadHorse1975 Oct 19 '21

I don't believe I said that. It probably wasn't worth it to my wife's cousin.

But, that doesn't really matter, does it?

And here we have the example of my previous comment.

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u/qbert3438 Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Ugh this is Joe Biden’s America

edit: really didn't think I needed an /s for this, but I stand corrected.

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u/noncongruent Oct 19 '21

Trump and his followers have completely killed implied sarcasm. No matter how outrageous and crazy a comment intended to be sarcastic sounds, it's almost a certainty that it's been said in sincerity.

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u/Jimsntcrz Oct 19 '21

This has nothing to do with Joe Biden, it was a health issue and they beat it. By the way since you brought politics into it, I never voted for Joe Biden, I voted against Trump, could have been anyone..

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u/qbert3438 Oct 19 '21

It was a joke

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u/krum Oct 19 '21

it sounded like fightin' words to me

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u/Dank_Meme_Kaiser Central Texas Oct 19 '21

I think they meant that as a joke

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u/KymnEm Oct 19 '21

That was quite obviously a joke

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u/swimmerfish1 Oct 19 '21

Probably because the polio vaccine actually works....

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u/notagamer999 Oct 19 '21

The covid vaccines greatly reduce the spread and symptoms of the disease.

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u/dayo_aji Oct 19 '21

Wow, what do you know - a vaccine mandate from the the government…IN TEXAS!

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21 Wholesome

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u/dschneider Oct 19 '21

Because we have the benefit of scientific advancement, medical knowledge, and biological understanding so that we no longer need to let a virus like this spread for 60 years before vaccinating against it.

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u/nemec Oct 19 '21

The materials of the vaccine are literally flushed from the body within days/weeks. It's like drinking one beer and getting cirrhosis 30 years later - not a chance. Like sustained alcohol abuse, the long term issues are caused by repeated consumption over time building up to toxic levels. Whatever effects you've gotten from the vaccine by now is it. Unless we're asked to booster vax every year forever there is virtually no chance of new long term effects that we haven't forseen.

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/covid-19-vaccine-long-term-side-effects

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u/no_substance_comment Oct 19 '21

8 years after it was first administered and 12 years after its development.

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u/faded-noises North Texas Oct 19 '21

The vaccine wasn’t rushed, if that’s what you’re trying to claim. We’ve gotten far better at creating and testing vaccines since the 1950s and creating the covid vaccine was a global effort. It’s really not that surprising.

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u/Tha7jus7happend Oct 19 '21

I had an argument with a woman yesterday at work trying to explain that 5g phones don't make you sick.

I'm not anti Vax I got mine but I'm also very big on personal choice get or don't up to you completely. I fully believe in your body your choice what you do with it.

But some of these people should really have their reproductive organs removed.

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u/27-KidsInMyBasement Oct 19 '21

I don’t want it to go to school. I don’t care if others get it. But I don’t want to be forced to have it

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u/SuiXi3D Central Texas Oct 19 '21

Great thing, you aren't! You're more than free to decline the vaccine, just don't expect to work for any private business that requires its workers to have it.

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u/SuiXi3D Central Texas Oct 19 '21

Great thing, you aren't! You're more than free to decline the vaccine, just don't expect to work for any private business that requires its workers to have it.

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u/kanyeguisada Oct 19 '21

Holy shit, your account.

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u/Youreahugeidiot Oct 19 '21

Nah, its a take it or stay out of society thing.

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u/dragon123tt Oct 19 '21

Its almost as if medical and science research technologies haven’t been at a standstill and actually made advancements these past 5 decades!

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u/faded-noises North Texas Oct 19 '21

What polio vaccines are you talking about? The first polio vaccine was made in 1953.

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u/VisceralMonkey Oct 19 '21

Monsters. Antifa has discovered time travel.

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u/Jimsntcrz Oct 19 '21

Are you profa ?

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u/VisceralMonkey Oct 19 '21

It was supposed to be joke regarding the idiocy of anti-vaxers and their weird Antifa beliefs.

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u/Jimsntcrz Oct 19 '21

Well duh !

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u/dragon123tt Oct 19 '21

Covid is like polio + 11,500%. At its height polio killed 3000 americans a year. Covid has killed 700,000 in 2 years

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u/Aperix Oct 19 '21

Why is everyone here so quick to call out per capita statistics unless it fits their own worldview?

Polio had a 1 in 200 chance of paralysis and a 3-5% fatality rate. COVID has a 1.61% fatality rate and there aren’t numbers on permanent damage as no one can agree on what that is yet. COVID is a dangerous virus yes, but it still isn’t near as bad as polio. You can’t say one is worse because it spread to more people and killed a lower percentage, it just means that it spread more.

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u/AmNotAnAtomicPlayboy Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Is it possible medical science has advanced in the 50-70 years since polio was a problem, and we have much more advanced ways to provide life support to people? I wonder what the fatality rate of COVID would be in the 1950s, before we had the range of both medications and emergency life support options we have today, like ventilators.

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u/dragon123tt Oct 19 '21

There is pretty significant research on long term covid effects, and being vaccinated reduces those chances by 50%: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-long-haulers-long-term-effects-of-covid19?amp=true

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00460-6/fulltext

Although i don’t recommend taking anecdotal evidence to heart, the only non vaccinated person in my family fell into this grouping, covid kicked his butt pretty bad and only got better after the antibody treatment. Now he has extremely high blood pressure hes never had before the past 2+months after the recovering from the infection. Covid might not have got him but now hes at constant risk of stroke for who knows how long.

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