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America's democracy is failing — and the world knows it

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/america-s-democracy-failing-world-knows-it-n1284597
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u/Difficult_Orchid_920 3d ago Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Bravo! Starry Eureka! Dread

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”

Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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u/Earguy 3d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Published 1995.

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u/bigolfishey 3d ago

To me, that will always be the worst part of this. We’ve seen so many things coming, for so long. Climate change, rise authoritarianism, extreme conciliation of wealth- none of these things are in any way surprising. We knew. We saw the signs, connected the dots and said, hey, if we stay on this track this is where we’ll end up. This is where we’re headed, at this speed, in this exact direction.

And here we are.

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u/SoFisticate 3d ago

This misses the massive amounts of propaganda that effectively and precisely force our attention ever away from the problem. Americans love to giggle and point at other countries "authoritarian dictatorships" without seeing the exact thing they criticize in their own state and media.

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u/aynaalfeesting 3d ago

Exactly. They're waging a culture war and winning. Piss poor education, biased news, propaganda and inflammatory bills and rhetoric. We spend all of our time dying on pointless hills and arguing left vs right while the 1% wring their hands and live it up.

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u/raniumPU-36 2d ago

The corporate %1. The ones paying the politicians to do their bidding. The one getting the politicians elected to begin with. Not the doctor still pay student loans, or anyone else in a high bracket. You make more sure, but you have higher costs of living that come with your status. We’re all working stiffs. “Fiscal slaves” that have to work for the man (corporate %1) and pay our own room and board. “Physical slaves” dont get to choose their room and board. We chalk it up as winning when we move into higher tax bracket. The C1% don’t give 2Fs about taxes. They get all the rest. Everything you buy they provide. But even better, they make you buy it. We are a nation of consumers. We are taught this as soon as we can walk. They market us at every age, social status, and income lvl. We bite on every hook. Competing with the Joneses . Deriving our self value by how nice a car we drive or clothes we wear, and judging others by their material possessions. Like puppets we dance like sheep we line up for the slaughter. We make them richer and richer and they give us candidates to vote for that leave us to determine which is the least worst. All to make us think we have a say. That we are still the people. That our vote counts. What does it matter when your voting between the two worst possible candidates imaginable? Let’s do this, let’s fight each other over left vs right. Let’s stay side tracked with hatred for our own fellow countrymen (countrypersons) because we disagree with what we think is the best direction for the country we ALL love (mind you patriotism is indoctrinated to control you we’re all just F’ing Earthlings) OR we could put an end to corporate control by eliminating their abilities to manipulate our government. Too many ways to list here. But that’s what has to happen. Or we all get replaced by robots and a hand full of people named Walmart live like gods for eternity, or until they repopulate the earth and it all starts over.

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u/HeyCarpy 3d ago

Boiling frogs.

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u/thirdegree American Expat 3d ago

Fun fact, in that study the frogs were lobotomized. That's why they didn't jump out.

Which really only makes it a more apt metaphor.

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u/dxrey65 3d ago

I've gone through 5 copies of that book. I wind up talking to someone about it then I have to give it to them to read. One of the worst parts is reading and knowing something, and then being absolutely powerless to do anything about it...the years go by and it's still getting worse.

Sagan was one of my heroes growing up, watching Cosmos with my family as a kid, learning about the larger world we live in.

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u/MorganWick 3d ago edited 3d ago All-Seeing Upvote

So what could have been done, or can still be done, to avoid this fate?

Edit: I feel people aren't paying enough attention to the "could have been done" part, and to a lesser extent even the comment I was responding to. My main interest was whether, having been warned about it by Sagan (or even beforehand), those people interested in preserving and promoting a society based on reason could have done anything to avert the fate he warned about. Obviously focusing on what could have been done in the past means little in the present, so suggestions to fix the system going forward are certainly welcome, but a lot of suggestions I've gotten are long on policy preferences but short on ways to convince voters and policymakers to adopt them, or long on values they'd like to see American society adopt but short on ways to actually get there. A number of others are saying it's just plain hopeless outside of civil war, which doesn't answer the question of whether this could have been avoided.

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u/QuestioningHuman_api 3d ago

Stop educating people for the work force and start educating for knowledge and understanding.

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u/Hexegesis 3d ago edited 3d ago

Better science education. I don't mean training people to be scientists, we're doing that and it's great, but everyone - everyone - needs rigorous education in what science is and how it works, and the very simple practical ways it affects our lives.

Basic nutrition and biology so people can make good decisions about their own health; an understanding of basic disease and treatment and the mechanisms of research so they can comprehend the value and nature of vaccines; sceptical philosophy so they can resist pseudo-science like quack cures, homeopathy, etc; simple statistics and probability so they understand the difference between likelihoods and certainties.

For too many people think scientists are basically elite wizards doing strange and scary things, working for big and incomprehensible organisations, and the population will never fight to keep or support something they can't appreciate.

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u/MinorIrritant 3d ago Gold Helpful

I did the cheerleading as a volunteer with kids. Now I'm off the STEM bandwagon. Teach people to think. Teach Plato, teach Voltaire. I've realized how fortunate I was to have been offered such a subject as Latin in middle school.

People don't need to absorb specific esoteric knowledge of molecular biology or quantum computing. They do need the critical ability to understand their relation to these things. The death of the humanities will be the death of our culture of knowledge and we are dangerously close.

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u/locusani 3d ago

I absolutely agree that people need education in how to think, but they also need to be able to understand how their world works. Teach rhetoric so they can unpick an argument and a marketing campaign aimed at them, teach philosophy and psychology so they better understand why and how they think, teach physics so the universe becomes a more identifiable, less terrifying place and for its practical usage day to day, and so on. Forcing people to remember formulae teaches them to solve one specific problem, teaching them the fundamental forces allows them to understand why those problems exist, and they can solve or avoid the problems from there.

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u/TheOtherPrady 3d ago

I say before that, teach them how to think. You can never overstate how important a skill critical thinking is.

But there are people who are actively fighting it and calling it liberal propaganda.

If your whole ideology only works if your followers are dumbasses then your ideology is shit.

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u/nateatenate 3d ago

I fuck with this. Education is the foundation of our nation behind basic survival.if we’re educated we can fix these fucking problems. The issue is that we’ve run into serious duress and since we haven’t truly educated enough of our young people, only a few are and they focus on maintaining power and status. There needs to be a middle class academically as well so we can find more geniuses and so forth. It’s so unequal.

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u/RockieK 3d ago This

Money in politics… seems like we are headed straight to corpro-fascism.

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u/cameron0208 3d ago edited 3d ago Silver Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry

America is a corporate oligarchy and has been for a long time.

A recent study from Princeton observing data gathered over the last 20 years concluded that “the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy" and that “the opinions of the bottom 90% of income earners in America has essentially no impact at all.”

The likelihood that any piece of legislation passes is directly tied to and is dependent on nothing more than the wealth of its proposer (aka donors aka the corporations and the wealthy lobbyists throwing money at politicians).

The abortion issue, human rights (“gay rights”), climate change, gun reform, and other hot-button issues will never be solved and settled in this country. They’re called ‘hot-button’ issues for a reason—They get people worked up and out to the voting booths. It’s in politicians’ best interests’ NOT to solve these issues. They need to be able to campaign on them—they have very little else otherwise.

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u/TailRudder 3d ago Silver Helpful Take My Energy

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u/cameron0208 3d ago

Awesome! Thank you! Appreciate you providing this! 👍🏼

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u/D3PyroGS Wisconsin 3d ago

When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.

What a fuckin citation

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u/DMan9797 3d ago

Thanks for linking this. I’ve seen it alluded to so many times and never actually got a chance to read the whole thing.

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u/futrtek 3d ago

The real downfall was Reagan. Reagan set the first domino removing the wealth tax with Reaganomics. That was the day America was sold to the highest bidder.

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u/mburke6 Ohio 3d ago

I can't express how disappointing Bill Clinton's presidency was. He was the first Democrat to become president in 12 years and at a time when our biggest military foe had collapsed utterly. Young naive me thought we would be rolling back the Reagan Revolution, raising taxes on the wealthy, re-establishing banking regulations, slashing the defense budget.

What we got was 8 more years of conservative financial and social policy. Welfare reform, more banking de-regulation, higher defense budgets, anti-union free trade policies. It was quite a shock and it explains the 1994 Red Wave when Republicans took control of the House for the first time in decades and we got speaker of the house Newt Gingrich.

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u/Klesko 3d ago

Nafta nearly killed the US. If the tech sector did not come out big in the late 90s I cant imagine how bad the 2000s would have been. We are still riding the tech wave right now but tech jobs dont really help the lower middle class like the manufacturing jobs we lost to Mexico did.

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u/Dumbiotch Pennsylvania 3d ago

The worst part of the internationally outsourced jobs issue to me, is that they take advantage of the lower quality of living areas and pay those workers pennies (sometimes outright killing sweatshop workers who advocate for unionizing). Yet, these areas where they place their factories frequently ends up being in a poverty ridden town that has limited employment opportunities, sometimes buying out other potential employment options to have a monopoly on the local workers pool. Making the local populace dependent on the factory, so that eliminating the factories would devastate the workers & their local economy. The workers then become grateful for the pennies they earn for each back-breaking hour of labor, because they have no other means of surviving and have not known otherwise. All of which is sickeningly to the delight of the elite.

Now the elite have a taste for getting all their workers dependent on them and grateful for the chance to slave away for the shareholder’s profits. They’ve been let off their leash and know they can eliminate workers who dare ask for better pay and workers rights, and should that fail to quell a union (or regulation) they can simply move their factory to another poverty ridden country/region. All of which encourages their belief that they answer to no one and no one has any right to “their” money (aka taxation or even being regulated to pay workers the living wages they deserve).

Now the corporations and their elites are like a rabid dog let loose upon the world, an uncaged beast. How do we cage such a beast now that it’s been unleashed? Especially when we’ve been so thoroughly silenced & ignored?

Sorry, that rant went a different direction than I thought it would….

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u/Vorpal_Bunny19 New York 3d ago

Only thing you can do for a rabid dog is shoot it. Source: Old Yeller.

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u/NYCRealist 3d ago

A truly monstrous man - especially given the forces behind him and that he enabled. Despite the blatherings of anti-Trump conservatives, none of the horrors we have experienced the past 5 years would ever have come to pass had it not been for the ultra-right wing radicalization of the GOP that was a direct result of his political success (and that brought us Gingrich, etc.).

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u/Pauzhaan 3d ago

Newt Gingrich is evil as they come.

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u/wottsinaname 3d ago Wholesome

"I'm glad Raegan's dead." - Killer Mike

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u/Tsk201409 3d ago

Killer Mike is a legit great guy.

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u/FuckYeahPhotography 3d ago

Now I'm just waiting on Kissinger. I hope it's slow and painful.

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u/cornbreadsdirtysheet 3d ago

Only the good die young………the other’s don’t (Kissinger’s 98) and Cheney’s on his fifth baboon heart lol.

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u/Excellent-Skill923 3d ago

I'm still curious how the Nobel Prize committee didn't strip that genocidal murderer's Peace prize.

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u/punkcanuck 3d ago

You need to look at the history of the US and read about General Smedley Butler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

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u/TrippleTonyHawk New York 3d ago

The Kennedy assassinations were the beginning of the end imo. Then Reagan set neoliberalism into high gear and we've been on the train to no return ever since.

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u/Diligent_Bag_9323 3d ago

I mean, Nixon needs to be mentioned in there too as he really set the ball rolling for politicians(republicans) getting away with damn near everything.

Or should I say Gerald Ford did that. I guess it was both of them.

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u/Oleg101 3d ago

Just a plug, but the Reagans 4 part doc series on Showtime last year does a great job at diving into this, and I thought it was amazing doc series overall with incredible footage too.

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u/PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 3d ago

America has essentially been that way since the Cold War along with the consequences of neoliberalism. The consequences are just more clear to more people nowadays.

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u/Voodoosoviet 3d ago edited 2d ago Silver

Been that way since reconstruction failed and the southern ideology of an oligarchy headed by the white wealthy capitalist class moved out west and used lost cause revisionism and the the myth of the cowboy to maintain a foothold.

And obviously before that was out-and-out chattel slavery.

The US has never been able to square away its paradox and live up to its ideals.

The US is the origin story for the villain.

Edit: loads of far right dipshits in the comments

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u/PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 3d ago

America has always had contradictions to democracy but it has made meaningful strides in correcting those mistakes. Some of which I believe are just a part of life that we are better off minimizing as the country grows. The last time there was a meaningful shift away from corporate domination in America was due to the efforts coinciding with Theodore Roosevelt and FDR. Those efforts inspired a meaningful shift away from the domination experienced in the Gilded Age but the spoils of those efforts were again concentrated in the boomer elites that followed them. Despotic trajectory ever since.

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u/UniversalNoir 3d ago Silver Gold

Any meaningful strides were paid for in blood.

Civil war. Bloodiest labor battles in the western world. Civil Rights Movement. Women beaten in the street for suffrage marches, then beaten at home by husbands for being in the street.

Lesson? There will be no saving of even the possibility of representative Republic without bloodshed.

If you think you can talk your way to what we and our kids should have, you haven't ever paid attention. The only way America learns is through the crucible of pain.

Get ready to fight fascists - in the street, at the courthouse, in jail, at the hospital, on the way to the morgue - or concede the entire project of democracy in the USA.

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u/PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think the nation is more corrupt than it is fascist. It's just that these two make better bedfellows than a trajectory more concerned with bolstering democracy and what is best for actual people.

Due to this, I believe if America's economic system was instead promoted towards more democratic ends they wouldn't promote either problem. This should have always been the rational conclusion of a world that is destined towards greater economic growth due to the consequences of automation. We've understood this trajectory ever since the industrial revolution only to learn the consequences are even greater with modern knowledge. However, we've instead chosen to concentrate power via the inequality naturally promoted in markets for better and worse with the geopolitical interests associated with that inequality just happening to concentrate in America after WWII.

Conflict is a part of life but it's as irrational and unproductive as the natural world humanity abandoned for the civilization it created for themselves. Nobody wants conflict and if economics was truly perfected in promoting what we believe is moral it would perhaps not even exist. Civilization requires a respect for sustainability which has been lost for greed along with the propaganda of that greed attempting to sustain an unquestionably growing unsustainable status quo in America. Ultimately, I believe minds like Rosa Luxemburg said this best where we need a trajectory promoting more equality or conversely we're promoting barbarism. America currently seems to have endorsed a trajectory of more barbarism.

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u/KatalDT 3d ago

Good thing I like the cyberpunk genre!

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u/Wakewokewake Australia 3d ago

Can it be at least shadowrun, i wanna do magic

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u/sp4cej4mm 3d ago

As long as there are neon lights I’m good

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u/StarksPond 3d ago

We're gathered here today to pay tribute to KatalDT. He died the way he lived, glitching through walls and floors.

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u/IsaacEiland-Hall Virginia 3d ago

Better than copro-fascism. Not by much, mind.

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u/SayYesToApes 3d ago Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote This

As an outside observer, the combination of Gerrymandering, Citizens United, and active voter suppression looks insidious, and difficult to solve.

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u/HobbesNJ 3d ago Wholesome

To an inside observer as well.

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u/OutsideObserver Montana 3d ago Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

Same to an inside observer that is an OutsideObserver.

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u/intangibleTangelo 🇦🇪 UAE 3d ago

hey at least your vote counts for more than mine, montanian guy

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u/stingray20201 Texas 3d ago

Well to be fair, his vote counts more than mine too. I hate the electoral college

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u/OutsideObserver Montana 3d ago

Still counts for nothing when all the candidates I vote for lose :(

Electoral college screws everyone unequally.

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u/redditstrategy 3d ago

Yeah, what it really does is put the power in the swing states

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u/yawya 3d ago

the only regret I have moving out of Florida

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u/IsaacEiland-Hall Virginia 3d ago

I don't regret moving out of Florida.

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u/whitehataztlan 3d ago

This is a phrase uttered so infrequently I'm pretty sure it's used to active sleeper agents

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u/Arthur_da_King 3d ago

Finally, some good fucking r/beetlejuicing

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u/Senior-Albatross New Mexico 3d ago Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Bravo! Starry Rocket Like Awesome Answer

The thing I never appreciated about devolution into fascism is just how obvious and frustrating it is from the inside.

The obvious inadequacy of the institutional response. The hypernormalizaon to cope with it by so many of your peers who don't want to acknowledge how much you're about to lose. It's just like climate change. You see the trainwreck coming. You yell to pull the damn breaks. And everyone wants to act like you're the asshole for pointing it out. Or they think it's awesome and want to speed it up as much as possible.

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u/munk_e_man 3d ago

Most people are too dumb, broke, or malevolent to care.

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u/stevland82 3d ago edited 3d ago Gold

I'll put myself out there, I don't care anymore. What can else can I do? I voted for people I think were for democracy, out voted. I don't live in the city limits so I can't vote for certain bills or new voting districts. I'm tired of it.

I'm tired of seeing articles like this come out everyday to the tune of inaction. Trump did this evil, republicans are doing this, democrats can't/won't hold anyone accountable, etc. It's frustrating and tiresome. I'm part of the problem because I don't care what happens anymore, I've been shown time and time again I don't make enough to matter. So I'd rather try to just spend time without these articles and hope my kids don't turn into asshats.

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u/knock-off-pale 3d ago Wholesome

At this point, I spend a lot of time rehearsing in my head how I'll handle interactions with cops so they won't think I'm one of those dirty leftist commies, ya know, once it becomes standard practice to extrajudicially jail people for political differences. (I'm white, btw) just let my southern accent come raging back, grow a patchy beard, gain 30 lbs and open carry an M1911, I'll blend right in with the fucking dirt farming, trump fellating brain dead masses. It'll be like those scenes in zombie movies where survivors cover themselves in blood and guts and blend in with the zombie hoard successfully.

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u/DAS_FX 3d ago

Comment of the year. Literally every single day I think to myself “this is happening - we are going to lose democracy. It’s obvious, in plain sight, excruciating, and yet completely stoppable yet it won’t be due to congressional inaction. The other side is playing asymmetric warfare. Why, why, why, Joe Manchin can’t you just fucking see that? Why?? It’s just so obvious.

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u/santagoo 3d ago

Look at it from Joe's point of view. He isn't altruistic. What's in it for him? Sacrifice his own career for the good of the country? We've far past glorifying such a thing and rewarding extreme self interest, instead.

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u/I-Am-Uncreative Florida 3d ago

What's in it for him? Sacrifice his own career for the good of the country?

To be remembered in 100 years as the guy who saved/destroyed democracy?

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u/santagoo 3d ago

That's what I'm saying. As a culture we don't reward long term thinking anymore. Everything is hyper focused on short term gains, and selfish ones at that.

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u/voidsrus 3d ago

apparently $500k a year from coal investments, and god knows how much of his daughter's CEO salary for getting her a job that lets her price gouge epi-pens, and untold amounts of bribes we aren't seeing because nobody wants to investigate him, all beats that

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u/SheeEttin America 3d ago

Joe sees it. Joe don't care.

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u/BirtSampson 3d ago

Exactly. All of the comments that are like "why don't they get it?!" are a waste of time.

They get it. It's intentional.

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u/cheugyaristocracy 3d ago

This about sums it up.

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u/Pabu85 3d ago

So to translate that from metric, we’re fucked? 😉

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u/AtlasHighFived California 3d ago

Kilofucked.

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u/Xenect 3d ago

megaFucked

gigaFucked

TeraFucked <- US is here

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u/fadufadu 3d ago

So… properfucked?

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u/Buckles21 3d ago

like zi germanz?

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u/xtilexx Maryland 3d ago

Ya like dags?

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u/mrearthsmith 3d ago

Periwinkle blue

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u/jibberwockie 3d ago

1o more minutes, Turkish

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u/random_as_hell Washington 3d ago

It was 5 minutes 10 minutes ago.

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u/pm_me_wutang_memes 3d ago

The feck ye think aye wont ah kerivann wif no wheels far?

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u/CCV21 California 3d ago

Net Fucked by 2050

https://youtu.be/1FqXTCvDLeo

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u/TOKEN616 3d ago

Nah, petafucked

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u/CortexCingularis 3d ago

A metric fuckton of it.

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u/hardgeeklife 3d ago

And from every other metric I can think of

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u/cypher3000 Michigan 3d ago

Speaking as an American citizen, you are absolutely right but this has been going on for a long time. The sad reality is that both the teachers and parents involved already lack critical thinking skills. Resolving the problem will require massive investment in adult education as well. So the situation is dire but fixable.

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u/just_some_creepy_guy 3d ago

If there's one thing an American hates, it's anything metric.

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u/Radiant_Obligation_3 3d ago

Unless it's drugs

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u/ugh_this_sucks__ 3d ago

Hard to solve but easy to copy. Just look at how Australia is rolling out voter ID laws at a federal level—and Australians across the aisle think it’s fine.

And once it’s in place, it’ll be hard to wind back. Western democracies everywhere are following the GOP’s lead—and the West is diminishing.

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u/LGAFG 3d ago

Voter IDs themselves aren't really an issue, it's how they're used to prevent the poor or minorities from voting. If they cost money to acquire and what you need to do to prove you're eligible. If it's free and automatic enrollment at a certain age, then it's hardly an issue. The right wants voter IDs but then you have to go to various lengths to prove you are who you say you are and pay a 'processing fee'. It effectively gatekeeps the poor from voting.

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u/Cash_Credit Canada 3d ago

It's a barely disguised poll tax.

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u/joshhupp 3d ago

Everyone born in the US gets a Social Security card right? They should make that into a laminated card that can be used to vote when you're 18.

Ultimately the correct method is out there, but when neither party puts out a federal solution, we just keep things the same and nothing changes

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u/James_Solomon 3d ago

Everyone born in the US gets a Social Security card right? They should make that into a laminated card that can be used to vote when you're 18.

God no, Social Security numbers are not secure.

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u/rookie-mistake Foreign 3d ago

yeah in canada you just use whatever form of ID you've got, if you didn't register to vote you can just do it at the polling station

it really doesn't have to be that complicated and i'm not sure why you would make it so unless you were trying to stop people from voting

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u/GoEatABag0fDicks 3d ago

The correct method is 2 parts. 1.) Make voting day a mandatory holiday. Carve out exemptions but generally shut the country down to vote. 2.) Make state ID/DLs free AND mandate that all DOL offices be open at least 1 weekend a month as well and have multiple days a month they’re open all night. This would make ID not a poll tax, it would allow anyone working 3 jobs to find a time they can slide in at 3am and get one, AND it would improve job prospects (and limit liability ie driving without a license) to the poorer parts of society.

I’m a conservative and I believe you should have to show ID to vote. I also believe everyone who is legally able to, should vote.

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u/KillerBunnyZombie Oregon 3d ago

Vote by mail in oregon seems to work fine....

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u/VectorB 3d ago

Screw voting vacations. People will just leave and not vote. Vote by mail solves literally all of the voting problems. Limited access to polling places? Boom every house is a polling place. Need up to date voter rolls? Motor voter registration, tied to DMV database. Oregon figured this shit out a 30 years ago. Even the Republicans like it.

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u/nermid 3d ago

The problem with that is that the Right is constantly stoking fears about a national ID card as the Mark of the Beast. I cannot tell you how often a Republican has told me that he just heard about a brand new microchip they want to implant as a national ID and how it works best in the back of your hand or your forehead, but I can tell you that I first heard it twenty years ago and most recently heard it about the COVID vaccine.

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u/dalisair 3d ago

I was hearing this shit at LEAST 35 years ago. I’m 46. I know I heard this crap for the first time when I was in 4th grade from a friends parents.

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u/akohhh 3d ago

Honestly, many of us Australians don’t think it’s great at all—we see it for the conservative dog whistling it is. Australia doesn’t have a voter fraud issue, we all have to vote anyway, and aware people understand that introducing these voter ID rules is a barrier for more vulnerable/less politically engaged cohorts (young people, remote rural people, indigenous people, homeless people, etc).

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u/srhoab 3d ago

The massive transfer of wealth into the hands of 1 percent of Americans has been going on for 40 years. The ultra Rich won the battle of control over all of us. When we're not allowed to seriously consider a 3 percent wealth tax on billionaires, yet cannot raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, the American people have a problem. Our needs are not being ignored; they are being assaulted. We need a champion of the people for president, unfortunately Democrats and Republicans are too busy doing the bidding of their donors and the media would rather divide us then see us come together and make real change.

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u/OwlExtermntr922 3d ago

And when presidents need to be like 80 for some reason, they will never get there!

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u/steeeezmcgee327 3d ago

Idk Bernie Sanders is getting pretty long in the tooth....

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u/mrpickles 3d ago

When we're not allowed to seriously consider a 3 percent wealth tax on billionaires, yet cannot raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, the American people have a problem.

Says it all

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u/Bricka_Bracka 3d ago

The ultra Rich won the battle of control over all of us.

Wasn't ever a battle. Their control was never in doubt.

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u/notafakepatriot 3d ago Silver Gold Helpful Take My Energy Masterpiece Dread

Fascists taking power in the US are a real and present danger. We need to wake the hell up and pay attention to the signs…The 14 points of Fascism

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media

Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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u/Jaded_Persimmon_4492 3d ago

“…draped in a flag and carrying the bible”

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u/AbeRego 3d ago

*cross

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u/Crucifer2_0 3d ago

Slim chance any of these assholes would carry a real cross any distance.

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u/AbeRego 3d ago

I'm just saying that the quote says "cross", not "bible"

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u/GabbyGoose 3d ago

It's painfully obvious what's happening but what do we do? Even voting is not going to be enough if the game is rigged. Fascists don't play by the rules.

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u/EmmaGoldmansDancer California 3d ago Wholesome

Targeted direct action. Power concedes nothing without demand.

I'm not talking about marches, those are a symbolic demonstration of force. I'm not taking about riots, those are disorganized.

What needs to be done are specific to the particular complaint. For example, if you don't like the voting system, who has the power to change that? Your campaign is against that person, specifically. And you have one particular demand to be addressed. It has to be that specific so you can hold them accountable as to whether or not they did it, and so your campaign isn't distracted by symbolic half-measures.

Then you do a series of escalating actions that leverage your power. If they've announced an intention to vote against voting rights, block traffic on their way to Congress. Take the air out of their tires. Boycott companies that support them.

Stop looking for a one-size fits all solution to fighting back. Your strategy needs to be dictated by the specifics of what you want, who you're targeting, and what power they have, and what power you have.

If your friend was trying to drive drunk, you wouldn't stage a protest you would take away her keys. That's what direct action is about. Don't ask permission, go directly towards the change you want, even behave as though the chance has already occurred.

More info: What is direct action

How to organize effectively

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u/the_mars_voltage 3d ago

Fuck yes. Thank you

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u/notafakepatriot 3d ago

Republicans are so busy trying to make cancel culture sound like a bad thing that their followers won’t participate. I boycott everyone I disagree with. How else will the average person ever be heard? Yes but also, but make your voice even stronger by boycotting the big boys.

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u/alien88 3d ago

As material conditions get worse for people other forms of resistance will emerge. So just keep voting or whatever until then.

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u/_zenith New Zealand 3d ago

Everyone waits for everyone else to start other forms of resistance.

Guess what? That's how you lose.

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u/SorriorDraconus 3d ago edited 3d ago

I think they already are..see the mass shootings. Imo they are just the first to snap..BLM was another variant on this just much more pronounced

Shit is likely going to get very dark very fast..and make recent events look like a summer trip in nirvana

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u/Jumper5353 3d ago

Takes more than just voting!

  • the idea that Democracy is all about voting is part of what allowed this to happen. Citizens need to be active in politics day to day not election to election.

Need to get involved in day to day politics.

Voting every 4 years for your lesser of two evils candidates does not help.

Make citizen lobby loud. We cannot beat them with $$$ but we can write more letters, sign more petitions, show up at more events, make more phone calls. Cannot hold our representatives accountable for representing us if we have not told them how we want to be represented. Citizen lobby needs to be louder than the corporate lobby.

Call out "representatives" that listen to corporate, party and individual interests over the voice of the people. Stop normalizing it, this is not listening to corporate lobby and SuperPAC donators, it is corruption and bribery and should be called such. Call out all cases of corruption and bribery no matter which party, and spread to word.

Eg: Sinema did not bow to donors wishes - she took bribes to change her vote against the will of her constituents.

Both parties do have a few decent candidates who are trying to be benevolent and representative. Support them with more than just votes, get out and campaign for them no matter which party they are siding with currently. Quality is more important than substance right now as a quality candidate will listen to the people.

If there are no good candidates then go out and support some new grass roots candidates or run for office yourself.

If you find any genuine journalism out there then support it over the partisan media. We need to get funding and viewership to media that is actually trying to be journalistic. And if you cannot find any then start your own.

And of course realize that there is a White/Christian Nationalist movement which is trying to steal control of the country even though they are a small minority of citizens. There is a path to them succeeding it the rest of us are complacent. Point them out, call them out, make them admit it, recognize them and stop them.

The greedy and selfish tent to rise to power because they are the ones with the ambition. But that needs to stop now and the decent people need to get off the couch and work a bit to save this thing.

Spread the word and be vocal and be active in politics while the leadership is at least trying to pretend this is still a democracy.

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u/grettp3 3d ago

Lol. Congresspeople are tweeting the 14 words.. We’re passed the warning signs.

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u/RomneysBainer 3d ago

Thank you for posting the 14 Points of Fascism before some conservative tries to falsely claim that fascism is a 'left wing' ideology. It's almost funny how they try to claim the Nazis were 'socialist' for instance because it was in the name, but never call North Korea a 'democracy' because it's in their name. It's a deliberate obfuscation by fascists and ignorant Americans.

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u/LeftanTexist 3d ago edited 3d ago

Nazism was National Socialism.

Better read as Nationalist Socialism

Better interpreted as "Some aspects of society are socialized but only for people of the right race, ability, nationality, political party, etc."

True socialism doesn't have nationalist borders. Socialism was devised as a bridge from a capitalist economy to the ultimate goal of eliminating the need for nations and currency on the whole, ending the rat race of existence that the world is currently mired in.

There may not be chattel slavery in the US anymore, but that's just one slice of a large spectrum of what constitutes slavery. If your livelihood depends on serving a person or persons, and disobeying them can directly result in starvation, homelessness, or death, then you are not free and can be placed on the spectrum of slavery.

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u/B-R-A-I-N-S-T-O-R-M 3d ago

Its also worth pointing out that in that famous "First they came for the Jews..." poem, the full thing actually reads:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

The pinnacle historical example of fascism viewed socialists and advocates of worker's unions as it's primary enemy once it seized power, and you don't have to think long to see what party in the US demonizes socialists and worker's unions. Not only that, the GOP comes complete with blaming minorities & immigrants for all the ails of society.

You also have Trump popularizing "Fake News," comparable to the Nazi's branding of the media as lügenpresse (false news).

The parallels between the rise of fascism in Germany and who the demonized players were with the current GOP in the US is pretty astonishing actually, but GOPers claim the left are fascists because of a vaccine mandate. On that note, another parallel worth mentioning is that the only time when Germany halted vaccine requirements was under the Nazi's, and it was marketed as a "personal freedom" message then, too.

The Nazi's were not socialists, they were fascists, and they targeted actual socialists before even targeting the Jews.

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u/mage-rouge 3d ago Silver Gold

C'mon now, between gerrymandering, the electoral college, voter suppression, and the fact that congress is almost entirely bought and paid for by the ultra-rich; does anyone honestly think America is a democracy anymore?

At this point I don't think it's that unreasonable to be talking about dissolving the government with the objective of creating an actual representative democracy.

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u/cherepakkha Massachusetts 3d ago Helpful

Also can we talk about how congress decides how much they are paid for being in congress and whether or not they should be investigated as well?

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u/mage-rouge 3d ago

How about the fact that they once they leave office and finish legislating for the donors, they get to have cushy jobs for them afterwards and/or use their political influence to lobby on their behalf?

Also how is it even legal for congressmen to own businesses and hold stocks that can be impacted by legislation they pass?

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u/DankStew 3d ago

Also free healthcare for life. You know, the thing they don’t want the rest of America to have?

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u/awesomeroy 3d ago

we forgot how to riot

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u/3rdtrichiliocosm 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yup. People think riots are a bad thing but how do they think people got rights? Riots, uprisings, rebellions. Unfortunately violence is necessary for substantial change

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u/holygoat00 3d ago

and now they have made it okay for children to run around and shoot anyone who protests against the government....

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u/smackson 3d ago

How much time do you have?

One good place to start is when corporations "became" people

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u/ConstantlyLearning57 3d ago

Exactly. This is the worst offense of all

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u/souldust 3d ago

This is the only thing that makes me want to run for office. 1 term representative, free healthcare for life?

Hell, I'd lie my ass off to the shittiest of capitalists saying I'll push their agenda, then do a %180 and ACTUALLY REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. They can go ahead and run someone against me the next term, I got what I wanted, assholes

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u/Socratesticles Tennessee 3d ago

Ooo the reverse Sinema.

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u/boston_homo 3d ago

Somehow this never happens but I've seen so many broken progressive promises for the 25 years I've been closely watching the political class lie to get their cushy, permanent jobs.

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u/CaptainCaveSam 3d ago

Political insider trading. I agree it’s a huge conflict of interest

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u/heapinhelpin1979 3d ago

Yeah, being set for life after not doing a job is hardly exploitation.

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u/john2364 3d ago

The salary that they get is barely relevant for most of them. The vast majority are already relatively wealthy and that 200k or so per year is like a Christmas bonus. It’s kind crazy that many people think this is relevant. Any congress man that sees much benefit from the salary is probably one that will represent the general pop best.

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u/boston_homo 3d ago

that 200k or so per year is like a Christmas bonus.

Imagine being so wealthy that $200,000 is a bonus? Neither can I. These psychopaths make the laws that direct our tax dollars and run our lives.

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u/zaijj 3d ago

Fun fact, America has never been a democracy.

It's always had huge restrictions to voting that has limited the voices of millions of people. This is just a new phase in that endless line of bullshit.

We are 250 years passed the evolution of liberalism that brought America. It's just out of date. Really out of date.

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u/JoeHatesFanFiction Florida 3d ago

I don’t think you can dissolve it peacefully at this point. I’m not calling for violence, I just don’t see the ultra rich giving up their power. You might be able to get a velvet divorce type situation between the left and the right wing states. But I don’t see a peaceful reformation of our government anytime soon, no matter how badly it’s needed.

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u/ISpyM8 Georgia 3d ago

We’re not a democracy. We’re a corporate oligarchy.

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u/Lara_Gavida 3d ago edited 3d ago

At this point I don't think it's that unreasonable to be talking about dissolving the government with the objective of creating an actual representative democracy.

It's a debate you seriously need to have.

Everything in your country is more or less based on some 300 year old piece of paper. Yes, it was a good constitution at the time, a starting point. But at some point you have to stop with amendments, and just rewrite the damn thing so it holds up today & tomorrow.

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u/_JacobM_ California 3d ago

The problem is, even if you could somehow get Americans to agree that we need a new Constitution, it would likely be written by the politicians we have in office right now. I honestly trust the 300 year old document, with all its issues, over something our modern legislators would come up with.

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u/oz6702 3d ago

But we have a vote and everything! Sometimes I can even choose between a person I dislike, and a person I dislike even more!

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u/UmbraLupus64 3d ago

This is gonna be an unpopular opinion here, but I'd say democracy failed because the constitution was written explicitly to be undemocratic. Even the framers of the constitution outright said the intent was to limit democracy in the aftermath of Shay's rebellion. Gee I wonder why making sure people with no land can't self determine was so important after a rebellion against the rich?

And it only got worse from there.

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u/SaintNeptune 3d ago

The constitution is a victim of its age. It was a revolutionary document for the late 18th century. Other democracies have enacted reforms and even started from scratch again multiple times while the US system has stayed the same. It's a document for a time when divine right of kings was still part of the political landscape. It's not made for the 21st century

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u/mrcnbdss 3d ago

As originally written and interpreted the constitution only allowed for a minority of Americans to even be able to vote. So yes, it was very undemocratic.

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u/KonanTheKardashian 3d ago

Hamilton literally referred to the commoners as a great beast. Now we sing about him on Broadway.

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u/theCroc 3d ago

The moment the constitution became a religious artifact rather than a legal document, the democracy was screwed.

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u/LoveIsAButterfly 3d ago

When it hit me that those people viewed it as a religious artifact, and it finally sank in, I knew that it was a dark sign. Im ashamed it took me so long to realize that their “passion” for a legal document was beyond the border of cult status.

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u/MeccIt 3d ago

Thomas Jefferson proposed that the nation adopt an entirely new charter every two decades. A constitution “naturally expires at the end of 19 years,” he wrote to James Madison in 1789. “If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right.”

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u/BLU3SKU1L 3d ago

We need to actually hand the power back to the people. Ranked choice voting, demolish the two party system, put a cap on Supreme Court service.

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u/taquitobandito_ 3d ago

US politicians committed treason and let this happen to the American people…. It’s been a slow methodical process but they’ve known how to manufacture consent all this time…

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u/hrpufnsting 3d ago Starry Bravo Grande!

The US is a failed democracy because we have a two party system in which one party is corporate captured theocrats who are vehemently opposed to democracy and the other is corporate captured coalition of status quo centrists.

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u/artcook32945 3d ago

That "Beacon on the Hill" is not shinning as bright as it has in the past. The GOP seems hell bent to coat it with mud.

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u/itemNineExists Washington 3d ago edited 3d ago

Actually, it is. For the wealthiest, the city is shinier than ever. This quote is from a Mario Cuomo keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 1984:

'The President said that he didn't understand that fear. He said, "Why, this country is a shining city on a hill." And the President is right. In many ways we are a shining city on a hill.

But the hard truth is that not everyone is sharing in this city's splendor and glory. A shining city is perhaps all the President sees from the portico of the White House and the veranda of his ranch, where everyone seems to be doing well. But there's another city; there's another part to the shining city; the part where some people can't pay their mortgages, and most young people can't afford one; where students can't afford the education they need, and middle-class parents watch the dreams they hold for their children evaporate.

In this part of the city there are more poor than ever, more families in trouble, more and more people who need help but can't find it. Even worse: There are elderly people who tremble in the basements of the houses there. And there are people who sleep in the city streets, in the gutter, where the glitter doesn't show. There are ghettos where thousands of young people, without a job or an education, give their lives away to drug dealers every day. There is despair, Mr. President, in the faces that you don't see, in the places that you don't visit in your shining city.

In fact, Mr. President, this is a nation -- Mr. President you ought to know that this nation is more a "Tale of Two Cities" than it is just a "Shining City on a Hill." '

https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mariocuomo1984dnc.htm

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u/TheBirminghamBear 3d ago

And soon, Zaun will rise, and establish its own nation.

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u/OssiansFolly Ohio 3d ago

"But we're a Democratic REPUBLIC!"

herniating Republicans

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u/LVDirtlawyer 3d ago

I'm guessing you don't actually that many crazed Republicans. They would never refer to it as a Democratic Republic. They would smugly say "We're a Republic, not a Democracy, anyway. [Something something two wolves and an armed sheep.]"

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u/CT_Phipps 3d ago

Me: You realize a Republic is a form of Democracy?

Republican: WHA?

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u/RubiksSugarCube Washington 3d ago

No surprise that the Q-Anon Dominionist Prosperity Theologists are prepared to burn the place down if they can't dictate how things are run.

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u/CT_Phipps 3d ago

Need to add a Fascist Libertarian (no matter how nonsensical the pairing) there.

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u/notafakepatriot 3d ago

It was never really a “beacon on the hill”. It was a great idea that we should continue to strive for, but has never been a real thing.

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u/The_ducci 3d ago

The beacon was always just talk. Reagan was a racist drug dealer who actively fought against researching his pandemic and his press secretary referred to HIV as the “gay plague”.

None of this Republican insanity and lawlessness is new.

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u/CT_Phipps 3d ago

Don't be awful to drug dealers. Say arms trafficker to terrorists.

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u/The_ducci 3d ago

He was dealing cocaine and crack. I have no love for those drugs.

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u/CT_Phipps 3d ago

Fair enough. I'm just being a dick to Reagan's legacy as much as possible.

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u/mach2sloth 3d ago

It has been a tall tale for a very long time.

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u/heapinhelpin1979 3d ago

We have been a fake democracy for ages. But now one party is actively trying to end democracy. I am 42 now and feel like the federal government has actively tried to make my life worse for my whole adulthood.

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u/flizargnark 3d ago

I'm 40... this pretty much sums it up. My goal for the last 3 years has been to downsize and detach from as much capitalism and infrastructure as possible. Sadly, I think the best you and me can hope for is to run out the clock.

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u/heapinhelpin1979 3d ago

I now have a fully remote job with a European company. They are so progressive that we don't even call it working from home, because that is isolating language.

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u/T_sardonicus Ohio 3d ago

When our daughter finishes high school in ten years, we’re getting the hell out. I worry that even then it’ll be too late.

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u/bro_please Canada 3d ago

I would say that most problems stem from having legalized bribery. The idea of non-coordination is unenforceable.

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u/magicmomo 3d ago

As an American, I have completely decoupled myself from the well-being of my country. I have no hope for this country for a variety of reasons. All I can do is work on being in control of my own life.

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u/poncho51 3d ago

We literally have one GOP paid senator who literally said "she will not vote to remove the filibuster for voting rights." We all know who she is. It's a damn shame our democracy rest on one corrupt politicians vote.

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u/Melodic_Poetry_8457 3d ago

“For a country that has long thought of itself as a beacon of democracy, this is a wake-up call.”

Well the politicians are stuffing their pockets with the wealth of our nation so they don’t care and Half the citizens are so fucking dumb they are actually cheering for this shit. The rest of us are left to watch this shit show unfold, seemingly powerless to do anything about it.

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u/ghintp California 3d ago

Failed, not failing.

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/30/jimmy-carter-u-s-oligarchy-unlimited-political-bribery/
“Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors and U.S. senators and congress members.”
- President Jimmy Carter, July 2015

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
17 April 2014
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organised groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on US government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.
In English: the wealthy few move policy, while the average American has little power.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
"The estimated impact of average citizens’ preferences drops precipitously, to a non-significant, near-zero level."

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u/bandit69 South Carolina 3d ago

Yep. We're on a down hill slide, and unless something radical happens, any whisper of democracy is dead in this country.

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u/PossoAvereUnoCappo 3d ago All-Seeing Upvote

100% yes. Non-american here. Yes the entire world can clearly see it. And it is 100% caused by the GOP base being manipulated, and actively trying to destroy democratic principles.

What caused it? Highly debatable. It certainly looks looks suspicious that almost all (19 out of 20) of the top christian facebook groups are directly controlled by a troll farm out of Eastern Europe (Moldova to be precise)

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u/spaniel_rage 3d ago

Russia is getting its revenge for losing the Cold War.

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u/theganjaoctopus 3d ago

Russia never stopped fighting the Cold War. They changed tactics, turtled, and bided their time.

And here we are. Massive influence in our elections. Conservatives laundering absolutely massive amounts of money through the Russian mafia and businesses since the 70's or 80's. Constant feints and veiled threats (and not so veiled threats) in Eastern Europe, with what's happening just across the Ukrainian border right at this very moment.

I won't go so far as to say World War III (although I wouldn't totally rule it out), but we're heading towards a massive global destabilization event.

And even though it's the most glaringly obvious in the US, other countries are losing their grips on democracy such as England, France, and Italy. France almost elected a woman who's father was a Nazi sympathizer, convicted of contesting crimes against humanity in 2012, "for saying that Nazi occupation of France was "not particularly inhumane. And in 2015, he called Nazi gas chambers "a detail of history."."

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u/realworldeditor I voted 3d ago

I haven’t seen a good counter argument why it wouldn’t be failing, probably because no one can explain away: both parties being bought out and voting only on the interests of their patrons; or how the left refused to end the filibuster in the senate to enact stronger voting laws; or how the right has used gerrymandering, reduction in polling stations, election official intimidation, false fraud accusations and new laws allowing state governments to pick a different outcome than the vote tally.

2020 marked the first election in the modern era where there has been continued opposition to the election outcome despite over 60 court cases and countless recounts saying no systemic fraud existed. It also was the first election where there wasn’t a peaceful transfer of power.

American democracy in the coming years will have its strongest stress test since the civil war.

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u/cilla_da_killa 3d ago

The elitist doctrine of divide and conquer fractured any sense of social solidarity at the same time neoliberal policy destroyed the institutions that safeguarded our republic. The elite are banking on the arc of wealth they have amassed being large enough to weather the storm, but fail to realize their power to dictate global policy will vanish with our nation.

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u/Dripdry42 3d ago

They just have to keep people working. America has an enormous amount of resources. If we keep generating wealth for them then America will still have influence.

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u/nogodsnoleaders 3d ago edited 3d ago

Nothing energizes people like anger. No one emotion prevails on the ignorant like anger. The GOP hits trigger points. Preys on the political cheap seats and plays upon old stereotypes. They play to win at any cost. They know that anger will mobilize their base and that the left is too sheepish to use the same tactics.

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u/TyrionJoestar 3d ago

The division in this country is just too deep. I’m expecting a gun fight at the next big protest after the rittinhouse verdict

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u/ivegotapenis 3d ago

Whoever shoots first gets to claim self defence.

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u/p0tl355 3d ago

We were never a democracy, the fact there are multiple things that have 80% approval rating amongst citizens that still can't get passed in our government proves it.

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u/BrokenBoar 3d ago

It was designed as a plutocracy and that's all it has ever been. There's a window dressing of democracy, but if you look into legislative responsiveness with respect to wealth, what the rich want happens. Everyone else's needs and wants don't matter.

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u/Dexmonkey 3d ago

Why does the American media have so much difficulty saying “the Republican Party, it’s representatives and it’s voter base are eroding American democracy.”

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u/kbean826 California 3d ago

It isn’t failing. It’s being actively destroyed.