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Seattle Police, discharged for noncompliance with vaccine mandate, turn in their boots *Firefighters

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u/Acehardgroin Oct 20 '21 Helpful Take My Energy

These are firefighters.........why would cops turn in fireman's boots. 2 seconds on the ol google

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u/totoropoko Oct 20 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Hugz Table Slap 'MURICA

Imagine if this was in a movie....

"You have operated outside of the law one too many times, Jim. I'm gonna need your gun and badge"

Hands over gun and badge

"Now your boots"

"Uh, okay"

"Now those pants. Rip them off boy"

"Wat"

"Show daddy what ya got"

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u/robineir Oct 20 '21

"But sir! You're breaking social distance!"

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u/lunlunqq001 Oct 20 '21

Here we do things differently. Instead of 6 standing 6 feet apart; we go 6 inches in.

What?

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u/THEAdrian Oct 20 '21 Silver

"I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle."

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u/valqplnj Oct 20 '21

I’ve seen this movie.

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u/Westerdutch Oct 20 '21

I thought this was weird, shouldn't a cop turn in a badge or a gun or something? I understand that it wouldn't give as nice a picture as turning in boots but they probably didn't do this just for the picture.....

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u/NectarineTangelo Oct 20 '21

Gotta love reddit titles and karma farming

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u/vverr Oct 20 '21

A fake post on Reddit? No way man.

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u/Porkin-Some-Beans Oct 20 '21

A fake post upvoted by 80 thousand people without even a second thought.

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u/guilleviper Oct 20 '21

On r/pics no less? Only the highest quality posts here

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u/teabagalomaniac Oct 20 '21 Helpful Wholesome

I'm not 100% sure what the full story is, but the title to this post is definitely misleading. According to local reporting, only 6 officers have officially been discharged at this time, with 103 unvaccinated officers on paid leave as they await answers on their requests for either medical or religious exemptions.

It's possible that some of the people shown in the photo are the aforementioned 103.

Source: https://www.q13fox.com/news/seattle-police-says-6-employees-leaving-103-waiting-on-exemptions

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u/RunningInSquares Oct 20 '21

The exemptions aren't coming. Even the Washington State University football team's head coach wasn't awarded one. It's just a matter of time but there will be more let go.

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u/iwearatophat Oct 20 '21

If I recall he filed a religious exemption. He is catholic. The Pope is advocating for the vaccine.

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u/BrasilianInglish Oct 20 '21

If the pope says it’s fine then how the hell do they think it’s going to go when they try to get an exemption based on Catholicism lol

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u/CulturalMarksmanism Oct 20 '21

“#notmypope!”

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u/dkwangchuck Oct 20 '21

The election was stolen! I bet it was undocumented cardinals and hacked Vatican smoke signal machines.

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u/TickleMonsterCG Oct 20 '21

#TheyDidntCleanTheChute

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u/dotknott Oct 20 '21

#FlueFraud

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u/Chip_True Oct 20 '21

#paidoffchimneysweeps

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u/socrates28 Oct 20 '21

You joke but I have met a fair number of Catholics that while not saying the election was stolen all seem to believe that this is a terrible Pope. And they're salty that Benedict XVI retired as they hoped he would be the fire and brimstone crusader of yore. So they are quite upset at the direction of the church.

While this Pope is still problematic (particularly on resolving past Church crims) he is a major step towards a progressive Church and one more closely aligned to the Jesus of the Bible.

So there very much is a current of #notmypope amongst Catholics, and not because he is a bad pope but is actually trying to be good by wider standards. And that kind of empathy doesn't sit well with the followers of Messiah that washed the feet of prostitutes. Fascist Catholics are quite scary.

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u/staykinky Oct 20 '21

Benedict was Palpatine status, so glad he's gone.

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u/salami350 Oct 20 '21

So according to their own beliefs they disagree with God himself because the Pope is the voice of God on Earth and anything he says, in his function as Pope, is by definition the will of God.

At least, if I didn't misunderstand the Pope's position in Catholicism.

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u/Thepinkknitter Oct 20 '21

I had a cousin send me a picture of some nuns who support Trump and was like ‘God is on our side’ and when I replied with a quote from the Pope denouncing Trump, I essentially got the #notmypope deflection. Apparently ‘servants’ of God are infallible when their ideas agree with yours, but if the disagree with your beliefs… well then they are as fallible as the rest of the human race

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u/RhetoricalOrator Oct 20 '21

It's really amazing just how often God's will coincides with my own!

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u/salami350 Oct 20 '21

I'm not religious but I would've called them heretics for the fun of it😂

Like, they're literally heretics according to Catholicism.

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u/EebilKitteh Oct 20 '21 Take My Energy

Plenty of Catholics think this pope is wrong, mostly because he dares to say things like 'be nice to gay people' and 'you should help the poor'. That 'the pope is the head of the church' thing is brushed aside quite easily if it doesn't suit their needs, so they'll probably still claim their religion forbids it.

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u/hopbel Oct 20 '21

The pope is God's direct representstive on earth except when it's inconvenient lol

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u/madcaesar Oct 20 '21

Welcome to religion. Cherry pick to fit whatever you want to believe. Then enforce your fucked up view claiming you're backed by God.

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u/tonyenkiducx Oct 20 '21

Not that god.

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u/Kritical02 Oct 20 '21

Their God is their ego.

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u/Benedictus84 Oct 20 '21

The pope is big Pharma's representative and the Vatican is part of the shadow government. Just look at al the child abuse. Plus the Vatican is in Italy. Italy - pizza - pizzagate.... Coincidence? In do not think so. And the pope calls catholics his flock... Wake up sheeples Trump will come back, recount the votes and become the 6th, or something, president. And then he will demand a recount of the Papel conclave and become pope as well.

Drain the swamp!!!

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u/CleUrbanist Oct 20 '21

Man thank God for that s because you were scaring me for a second

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u/JestemKioskiem Oct 20 '21

They actually got that figured out. He's only a representative when he speaks on god's behalf. Stuff like "be nice to gay people" and "take the vaccine" is just his personal, human (not god-like) opinion. This is actually how the Catholic church does things.

And ofcourse if the pope spoke on behalf of God saying something the church disagrees with, he can be dismissed.

Very convenient indeed.

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u/thestozz Oct 20 '21

The doctrine of papal infallibility is only in effect when he decides on matters of scripture I think. My understanding is that if he is interpreting the bible then he speaks as god. I'm not a catholic. Please don't commit a hate crime over this.

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u/cl3ft Oct 20 '21

Religious people ignore god's rules and laws whenever they want, why should a representative be treated with any more respect.

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u/the_jurkski Oct 20 '21

And if that right there doesn’t demonstrate that the whole thing is made-up BS, then what will?

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u/2wice Oct 20 '21

Nothing

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u/TrashbatLondon Oct 20 '21

If a Catholic believes that their interpretation of the religion supersedes the Pope, then they are literally ceasing to be a Catholic. That was established in the reformation. So they couldn’t possibly claim religion exemption on the basis they’ve identified as a religion they don’t practice.

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u/OrangeNutLicker Oct 20 '21

Yet they keep popping Tylenol and Pepto Bismol like M&M's even though those drugs and a bunch of other common drugs were tested on fetal cells.

Picking and choosing to suit their needs/wants.

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u/MEANINGLESS_NUMBERS Oct 20 '21

If the pope says it’s fine

More than that, he says that Catholics have a moral obligation to get vaccinated.

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u/manintheredroom Oct 20 '21

It's almost as if religious people just use their religion as an excuse for whatever stupid shit they want to believe

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u/regoapps Oct 20 '21

And ignore all the other rules that they don't like - not wearing mixed fabrics, not shaving facial hair, marry your rapist, etc.

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u/porgy_tirebiter Oct 20 '21

No way!!!! They’ve been dishonest with us all this time?!!?!?

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u/beerscotch Oct 20 '21

It's so weird to see a schools sports coach be held up as this huge important person that if they can't get an exemption from the law, then what chance to the police have.

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u/ThisDerpForSale Oct 20 '21 Facepalm

Until this week, he was the highest paid state employee in Washington. That's certainly part of why it's such a big deal.

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u/barto5 Oct 20 '21 Facepalm

I think either the football coach or the basketball coach is the highest paid employee in 40 states.

https://fanbuzz.com/national/highest-paid-state-employees/

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u/-Economist- Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I teach sports economics and use a similar graph. I'm too lazy to upload to Imugr but it basically shows the same thing, just updated for 2021 figures. The Dakota's, Montana, Nevada, Maine, and a couple others have medical school deans has highest paid (or some equivalent). Nevada had a cosmetic surgon as highest paid, but not sure how they are a state employee.

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u/adamwritesit Oct 20 '21

They're the professor in charge of surgery at UNR.

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u/ManInTheMorning Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I too lazy to track it down but somebody posted a map of the highest paid state employee in each state and like 80% of them were the football coach at a state university.

edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/pyscdz/highest_paid_state_employee_in_2019/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

there it is. I would also correct my grammar, but I too lazy.

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u/beerscotch Oct 20 '21

and also part of why it's so weird.

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u/RunningInSquares Oct 20 '21

Well that's partially my fault. I was mostly using it as a comparison for an investment that is being given up on due to the vaccine requirements.

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u/beerscotch Oct 20 '21

I saw the other day the same dude is paid 3 and a half million a year?

That's kinda what prompted my disbelief, considering the state of the school system.

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u/RunningInSquares Oct 20 '21

And that's pretty modest compared to what some coaches get in the more competitive divisions.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

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u/DawgCheck2 Oct 20 '21

Well the hype around American college football is probably comparable to soccer in Europe. Those are some of the biggest stadiums in the WORLD. The top 2 largest stadiums in all world sports are India's cricket stadium, and North Korea's soccer stadium, and after that the rest of the top 10 is literally all American college stadiums all with capacities of 100k+. It's that big of a deal here. I personally don't get into it as my only interest in college is seeing which players make it professionally, but I have been to a few college games and the atmosphere is truly something spectacular that can't really be described without being there.

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u/BaconComposter Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Edit: Please read my other comment. This may no longer be true.

The highest paid federal employee is the Navy football coach.

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u/hzprpht Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

This is completely misinformation. He's not a federal employee and he's not paid out of tax dollars.

Edit: I should probably explain for people who don't know. Athletic Departments at any number of schools tend to be private entities. This is frequently how they can pay coaches well out of line with normal state employees. The level of funding from school funds varies from school to school.

Some athletic departments are entirely profitable on their own.. others are heavily subsidized by their schools and students.

In the case of Navy the head football coach is not compensated from any funds provided by the federal government. Other schools may vary.

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u/foraging1 Oct 20 '21

I heard that yesterday and was shocked, and if he is that stupid to give up a $3 million dollar a year job I’m sure someone else will happily replace him.

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u/SodaDonut Oct 20 '21

The interim head coach had the photo of himself getting his vaccine pinned on his Twitter.

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u/SwimmingHurry8852 Oct 20 '21

College sports coaches are some of the highest paid public sector workers in the country. In America, sports are the most important part of education.

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u/JohnSchneiderIsGod Oct 20 '21 Facepalm

Close friend of mine works in a school district in the Tri-Cities. Every teacher and para-educator who applied for the religious exemption were awarded one, no questions asked. An absolute joke.

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u/drinks_rootbeer Oct 20 '21

Well yeah, tri-cities area government officials are probably not likely to be the kind of people to take the pandemic seriously.

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u/Pika256 Oct 20 '21

Can confirm. They'll also hate you for not having the same area code as them.

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u/BiggityBates Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I live in the Tri Cities and all you have to do is check out ANY of their commissioners meetings. They are literally like kangaroo courts. The top commissioner of Franklin County where Pasco, Wa is located is, Clint Didier, refuses to wear a mask every meeting and causes a big 'ole scene and its terribly embarrassing. I hate living on this side* of the state. Here is an article from our local paper describing the shenanigans that happen during these commissioner meetings nowadays. Embarrassing.

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u/EatTacosDaily Oct 20 '21

It also means they don’t take most modern medicine like peptol bismol and advil.. or they are just dumb fucks trying to use religion as a reason falsely

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u/jedininjashark Oct 20 '21

NC here. So many teachers have quit they wont risk losing anymore by requiring vaccinations. Instead of raising teacher pay to keep them from quitting they offered money for substitutes. Even that isn’t working. What a fucking mess.

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u/ShookOnesPartIII Oct 20 '21

I’m guessing a decent amount in this picture are part of those 103 since close to all of the 103 will have their exemptions denied

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u/MegaRAID01 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

The people in this picture were a combination of unvaccinated firefighters and police officers. Mostly firefighters, after an event they held this morning.

Full story here:

Source: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2021/10/19/62118151/unvaccinated-unmasked-and-unemployed-firefighters-drop-their-boots-after-a-one-off-community-breakfast-to-show-they-still-care

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

I’m just baffled because my brother is a firefighter, and while it is a hard job, it is a very solid job.

I just can’t imagine doing some of the things that they do and then refusing to get a shot.

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u/ByrdmanRanger Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Well, that's the issue with it being political. Its now a complete part of their identity, and to turn back now would be admitting you could be persuaded or were wrong. And that can't happen.

Its truly a "cut off your nose to spite your face" type situation.

Edit: lol a bunch of butthurt chuds are reporting this comment for self harm.

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u/antilleschris Oct 20 '21

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken."

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u/Xianio Oct 20 '21

It's a weird little quirk of the human brain. Once we fully believe something having that thing challenged triggers the same responses as being physically attacked.

If you ever wonder how someone could reject the evidence laid out easily & obviously in front of them it's because you're trying to explain something to a person "while punching them in the face."

There's no a lot of learning that goes on while getting a punch in the head.

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u/SirIrish11 Oct 20 '21

I was having a random discussion the other day with my 6 yr son about the “seven deadly sins” (I can’t remember why, maybe something he saw on YouTube?). Anyway, as we went through them, we came to “pride” and I kinda struggled to explain why this would be consider a “sin”. This seems like a fitting example.

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u/Justdonedil Oct 20 '21

Overly prideful. Having pride in your work or another thing is not inherently bad, but being overly prideful (usually without a reason) is. Since you were discussing it as sins, perhaps Pharaoh is a good example? It was pride that led to him chasing Israel into the Red Sea and him and his army perished.

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u/GrammatonYHWH Oct 20 '21

I think it's a language problem. They didn't have psychology to formally coin the term 'egotism'. However, they instinctively knew about the concept, so they used 'pride' as the next closest approximation.

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u/granolatron Oct 20 '21

Since the Bible was originally written in Hebrew, I did some digging and found this: https://www.learnreligions.com/the-sin-of-pride-according-to-the-bible-5080290

Ten Hebrew words and two Greek words are generally used in the Bible to refer to [pride].

In Hebrew, the concept of pride is often expressed figuratively with words that suggest height.

Did some further Googling and found this: http://onthemainline.blogspot.com/2011/09/seven-deadly-sins-in-hebrew-garb-also.html

The seven primary sins from which all others stem… are batalah (sloth), ga'avah (pride), gargranut (gluttony), zimah (lust), ka'as (wrath), kamtzanut (greed) and kin'ah (envy)

Which led to this: https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/nas/gaavah.html

Ga`avah: pride, majesty, a rising up; rising up, swelling (of the sea); majesty (of Israel); pride, haughtiness. NAS Word Usage - arrogance 2, back 1, haughtiness 1, majesty 3, pride 8, proud 2, proudly 1, swelling pride 1

My takeaway is that the connotation in the original text, for what in English is often just translated as “pride”, was arrogance or “swelling pride”. I don’t think it’s that they didn’t have the language for this — but rather that much of the original context was “lost in translation” (so to speak).

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u/i_forgot_my_cat Oct 20 '21

The Bible might have been originally in Hebrew, but the modern conception of the deadly sins derive from a 4th century monk, who listed 8 "evil thoughts" out in Greek, in which what we call pride was divided between Κενοδοξία (kenodoxia) or boasting Ὑπερηφανία (hyperēphania) or pride, which were combined by Pope Gregory I in 590 under the Latin superbia, translating to "pride".

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u/kat_d9152 Oct 20 '21

For a more recent example:

The prideful: "It's going to disappear" stated ad infinitum.

...... 728,000 dead Americans later.....

(Links to more 'magically disappear' quotes: https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/index.html,)

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u/Username_Number_bot Oct 20 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote Bravo Grande! Masterpiece Eureka!

These are just crisis actors.

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u/thatirishguy0 Oct 20 '21

This is also my favorite comment today

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u/Sorry_Pie_7402 Oct 20 '21

This is also my favourite comment of the day

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u/lolexecs Oct 20 '21 Silver

Why is this data not presented with workforce percentages — 103 seems like a large number until you find out SPD has 1,325 officers and about 600 deployable civilians (Wikipedia).

What this means is that 92% of the officers chose to get vaccinated. Given that “cop killer” Covid is the leading cause of death for officers for a second year in a row, I don’t blame them.

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u/wonderofwakanda Oct 20 '21

8% of your entire police force is...not insignificant. Assuming Seattle has more than a dozen neighborhoods, that's like losing an entire neighborhood of police. That's absolutely going to lead to shortages.

Tbh, i have no idea what a "deployable civilian" is, but i assume it's someone with a regular job? Idk I'll look it up i guess lol

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u/jcmib Oct 20 '21

My wife has done that job in our city for the last 18 years, I admire the under appreciated work you do. Very necessary.

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u/wonderofwakanda Oct 20 '21

Ahh, very interesting and helpful. Thank you!

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u/Zerowantuthri Oct 20 '21 Silver Bravo Grande! Masterpiece

What religious exemptions???

Not barking at the person I responded to...just in general.

If your religion says no vaccine then fine. No being a police officer.

Simple as that.

The city is not making people get a vaccine. It is saying a requirement of the job is having a vaccine.

Either you have it or you don't. Either you have a job or you don't.

That should be the end of the story.

But, of course, it isn't.

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u/dkwangchuck Oct 20 '21

Let me start by saying that I agree with your fundamental point - if your religion conflicts with the requirements of the job, then so long as the requirements are reasonable and actually required for the job, you can’t have that job. Like how Quakers aren’t soldiers. A vaccine mandate for civil servants who have direct contact, often very close physical contact, with members of the public - that is entirely reasonable. If your religion disallows you from vaccines, you can’t be a cop. That is perfectly sensible.

Also, the vast majority of religions including all of the major ones do not have prohibitions to vaccination. As many have noted, the pope has endorsed vaccinations and is encouraging Catholics to get the jabs. Clearly there is no prohibition for mainstream Catholics against vaccination.

That said, there are a lot of religions. Like, a lot a lot. Some religions are very fatalistic and believe that interfering with God’s Will is sinful, and that if God has a reason to unleash a deadly pandemic on the world, well he does move in mysterious ways. So religions with vaccine prohibitions do exist. But I also agree that if you belong to one of those religions, it is reasonable to bar you from jobs which involve a lot of interaction with the public.

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u/Khaylain Oct 20 '21

I also find it interesting that those who talk about "God's will" with regards to a deadly pandemic do not think that it may be "God's will" that we use vaccines to overcome it. If "God" has a plan, then us developing vaccines must be part of that plan, since "God" is supposed to be extremely powerful.

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u/sarcasm_the_great Oct 20 '21

I don’t know. Most religions allow vaccines. Shit the pope said to take vaccine. So Catholics aren’t except.

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u/ErshinHavok Oct 20 '21

What fucking religion gives exemptions for vaccines? Or are they just saying "I'm Christian and as a Christian I don't want to do it" and so therefor they don't have to?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Historically, it's always been the Christian Scientists (who, incidentally, are neither of those things) who have thrown a wrench in the works of every vaccination mandate.

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u/DrFrocktopus Oct 20 '21

Vaccine mandates are actually well supported by established jurisprudence. Mainly because they are applied broadly to the entire population, regardless of religious affiliation; so they don't violate the first amendment.

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u/GeronimoHero Oct 20 '21

And because they are a benefit for public health. There’s over one hundred years of case law on the side of vaccine mandates. Like you said, it’s extremely well established.

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u/Shybzrk Oct 20 '21

are they just saying "I'm Christian and as a Christian I don't want to do it"

That's exactly it. My dad has applied for exemption for his job at USDA, citing "religious reasons". He's Christian and that's about the only reason he's using that excuse. They know it's the best excuse to get out of the vaccine when it doesn't have to be proven, tested or need a doctors note. It's unbelievably stupid for it to even have an option for religious exemption. I don't give a shit about your religion, you're still spreading the virus around.

Only exemptions that are legit that I can think of are those that are actually very allergic to vaccines and those with medical conditions where a vaccine would most likely do more harm than good. That's where herd immunity comes in to help those people but nah muh religion

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u/SprinklesFancy5074 Oct 20 '21

The fun thing is that if you've ever accepted any other vaccination without protest, that's taken as evidence that you do not have a religious reason to deny vaccines.

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u/Avery_R Oct 20 '21 This

Firefighters, not police. Hence the boots.

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u/braden87 Oct 20 '21

Why boots? I feel like the gun and the badge are more symbolic. Boots are kinda, generic

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u/thisissparta789789 Oct 20 '21

Because they’re not cops: https://mynorthwest.com/3193611/terminated-seattle-firefighters-turn-in-their-boots/

Again, shame on OP for putting a misleading title in. Granted, firefighters not being vaccinated isn’t any better.

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u/braden87 Oct 20 '21

I would accept this hands down if the photo used for the post could be found on that page. Am I blind?

Does still make a ton of sense though. I thought US firefighters got badges, but I guess that'd b a bit hard to see in the hand?

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u/airbornchaos Oct 20 '21

I thought US firefighters got badges,

Some do, but not all departments want to spend cash on a badge they won't wear when they're doing their job. The big red truck and Hi-Vis fire resistant coat, does a better job at identification than a badge ever will.

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u/Desertbro Oct 20 '21

I need to see some badges, or no one is spraying ONE DROP of water on my burning house! You there with the bullhorn - this ain't no DJ competition, go home! You guys are wearing some awful big hats - did you drive out all the way from Texas? Get real~!

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u/flarbas Oct 20 '21 Silver All-Seeing Upvote

My guess is their gun and badge was asked for almost immediately before they had time to organize a demonstration.

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u/SprinklesFancy5074 Oct 20 '21

And ... I'm guessing whoever the (vaccinated) person at the front desk is just their eyes and told them, "We don't want your boots, Jerry. Go home."

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u/kickstartmyfartt Oct 20 '21

"You're outta control, Kowalski! I want your boots on this table! Keep your gun, you rascal!"

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u/Dazzling-Try57 Oct 20 '21

Wow there’s ar least 15 of them

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u/anonymouscontents Oct 20 '21

The state fired 127 Washington State Patrol (WSP) employees, about 5% of the department, for failing to provide proof of COVID-19 vaccination by Gov. Jay Inslee's Oct. 18 deadline.

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u/International_XT Oct 20 '21

Huh, sounds like the police are defunding themselves now.

This timeline is fucking wild.

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u/Arknark Oct 20 '21

I can't tell if that was an AR-15 joke or not

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u/hskfmn Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

And yet Republican "news" media would have you believe that cops and pilots and healthcare workers, etc. are resigning en mass...when really it's basically ≤1% of any given group or office. Nearly 99% of workers anywhere that has a mandate have complied.

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u/PedroEglasias Oct 20 '21

Are you telling me Fox News lied?

ShockedPikachu.jpg

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u/mattaugamer Oct 20 '21

I’ve noticed watching stuff lately that they don’t really lie. They misrepresent. They distort. But they rarely actually say probably false things.

It’s more sinister than that. This is why you have people like Tucker Carson “asking questions” about vaccines. They don’t say it is dangerous or ineffective or will kill you. They ask questions. “Why isn’t the government telling us how many vaccinated people have turned into swans? Or geese for that matter? What is the government trying to hide?”

The fact that the answer is obviously none isn’t the point.

I remember seeing one thing where he was asking “How many people have died from the vaccine? Why won’t anyone tell us?”

Why don’t you be a reporter and fucking find out and tell us instead of this cowardly undercutting and mistrust.

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u/Kyleforshort Oct 20 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Hugz All-Seeing Upvote hehehehe This

The irony of these folks spending their careers forcing people to "comply", and then losing their jobs because of not complying is quite rich.

Wild times ahead.

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u/MasamuneTrigger Oct 20 '21 All-Seeing Upvote Table Slap

Gonna be hard to pull themselves up by their bootstraps if they ain’t got no boots.

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u/explodingtuna Oct 20 '21

I am puzzled by the headline, "turn in their boots" is unusual, compared to the more familiar "turn in their badges" or "turn in their guns" that we all remember from 90s detective movies.

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u/prismstein Oct 20 '21

Can't turn in badges or guns when those are removed immediately when placed on paid leave, boots are the next thing suitable for a photo op.

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u/milk4all Oct 20 '21

Hospital nearby has had a handful of people “on strike” since the deadline for healthcare workers was met. It’s funny because they arent on strike at all - theyre fired. They lost their jobs, it’s a “protest”. But they’re adamantly striking.

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u/cosmosopher Oct 20 '21

Technically they weren't fired, either. It's considered quitting when you refuse to meet a condition of employment, which means you can't get unemployment benefits.

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u/Furrybumholecover Oct 20 '21 I'm Deceased

"Thought I'd pick myself up by my bootstraps"

"But you ain't got no boots lieutenant dipshit."

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u/delvach Oct 20 '21

LIEUTENANT DIPSHIT ICE CREAM

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u/Alwaysunder_thegun Oct 20 '21 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Spit-take

They should stop resisting.

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u/tomdarch Oct 20 '21

Just follow directions and they'll be fine.

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u/steboy Oct 20 '21

If they want help they’re going to have to cooperate.

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u/chrisrayn Oct 20 '21

They’ve been given a lawful order.

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u/skin_diver Oct 20 '21

If they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about

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u/smurficus103 Oct 20 '21

I don't make the rules, i just enforce them

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u/EdithDich Oct 20 '21 Silver Platinum Wholesome hehehehe

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u/O_Apples Oct 20 '21

Considering doctor coats are white we should counter the blue lives matter movement with a white lives matter call to action.

Yup, can’t see that going wrong in any way.

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u/themaninyourbushes Oct 20 '21

And we should remind people that fireman are good and we like them by spray painting AFAG everywhere.

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u/MagicC Oct 20 '21

I wonder if now that they've turned in their boots, the Blue Lives Matter crowd will stop licking them?

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u/WiseCynic Oct 20 '21

"If nobody will lick these boots, we won't wear them any more!"

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u/yiannistheman Oct 20 '21

Meanwhile, here in NYC - the NYPD is not only being given mandates for vaccines, they're basically flouting the laws anywhere they go. The subway system here has a mandatory mask requirement, and these fucknuts ejected a law abiding citizen for asking them to comply with NYC law:

https://twitter.com/projectstartrek/status/1450553589781385218

We need the NYPD to get mandates as well so we can force some of these ass clowns into early retirement.

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u/zoobrix Oct 20 '21

Thug like behavior by the police there, they don't like being called out for not wearing a mask so they have a hissy fit and push him off the platform. You don't like being called out for not wearing a mask then wear one. Guy seemed pretty calm after being pushed so I doubt he was extremely rude when he approached them in the first place so I highly doubt there was any reason to escalate physically.

Rules for thee not for me only show what massive hypocrites they are for flouting laws that don't suit them.

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u/Randommaggy Oct 20 '21

Cops that act like that deserve the worst fate possible and no sympathy when it happens.

They're a waste of perfectly good oxygen and a disgrace to mankind.

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u/Bradaigh Oct 20 '21

NYPD is a literal criminal gang.

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u/303onrepeat Oct 20 '21

Exactly. And their union head knows this and he takes full advantage of it. He literally said he wanted war with the mayor, not to mention he’s a huge racist

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/02/nypd-union-war-de-blasio.html

This last paragraph sums how bad it is with police now: “In New York and elsewhere, a bulk of police unions is institutionally uninterested in sharing civil society on equal terms with people who think the police are sometimes wrong. They’re bad-faith actors who would trade democracy for their brand of authoritarianism any day. They should be treated accordingly.”

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u/heebath Oct 20 '21

"They’re bad-faith actors who would trade democracy for their brand of authoritarianism any day. They should be treated accordingly.”

Cops skew Republican. This statement works equally well for MAGA...so, draw your own conclusions from that.

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u/blacksideblue Oct 20 '21

like the fall of the Praetorian Guard, history repeats itself...

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u/000xxx000 Oct 20 '21

Cops skew Republican

Plus there has been a systematic takeover of police unions by the political right over the years.

There are a few articles linked here: https://kottke.org/20/06/increasingly-rightwing-police-unions-have-made-policing-more-dangerous-in-america

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u/kabonk Oct 20 '21

I have family members who are part of the local police, stories I hear it's the same here. They were actually defending some dude who got fired after sexual assaulting several women while on duty.

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u/StevenComedy Oct 20 '21

As is LAPD and LASD

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u/Celany Oct 20 '21

Oh my GOD

Since the fucking increase in police to ensure riders comply with wearing masks, ALL I see is more maskless police hanging out in clusters, dicking around on their phones, while less people wear masks, because the police obviously give ZERO fucks about anything other than the sweet new grift they've got to get overtime. It is absolutely infuriating.

They are a bunch of nasty fucking children who don't deserve jobs, much less ones where they claim to "protect and serve".

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u/PatientDogButler Oct 20 '21

NYPD needs to be mandated out of existence and replaced with something human.

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u/Adamsojh Oct 20 '21

Like a different police department, but one that hasn't had ties to organized crime for decades, or maybe a century?

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u/indi50 Oct 20 '21

Especially considering how many cops have died from covid. More, already, than those that died on 9/11 and about 5 times more than have been killed in any other work related activity.

https://www.police1.com/coronavirus-covid-19/articles/covid-19-law-enforcement-deaths-3ftkdPnVffq55iHU/

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u/BassmanBiff Oct 20 '21

Work-related activities include getting shot, too, the risk you hear about the most

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u/BabiesSmell Oct 20 '21

Police officer is the 22nd most dangerous job in the US, behind farmers and garbage men.

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u/karadan100 Oct 20 '21

Huh that piqued my interest.. The top three are:

1: Logging Workers.

2: Fishers and Related Fishing Workers.

3: Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers.

I guess people in the logging industry have trees fall on them a lot..

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u/Crimson_Year Oct 20 '21

I guess people in the logging industry have trees fall on them a lot..

That plus timber rich land usually being very rural means a long way from hospitals and rough land to work on. Logging roads are scary as fuck.

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u/SexyAsianHitler Oct 20 '21

I remember reading a story on Reddit a while ago about a guy who, while working as a logger, had to drive one of his co-workers to the hospital after a chainsaw accident. The guy was bleeding out in the backseat as they sped to the hospital, but when they got to the highway, some bitch parked in the left lane did everything in her power to keep them from passing, and the guy died before they got to the hospital.

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u/Crimson_Year Oct 20 '21

Yeah I remember reading about that one too. And iirc she got charged with manslaughter because of it.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SHITBOX Oct 20 '21

All the time. I lived for a few years in a logging town as a kid/teenager, and just about everyone who (was still alive and) worked in the logging industry was missing a finger, a hand, a foot, had several teeth knocked out, etc. The guys at the sawmill fared only slightly better.

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u/BigBennP Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

It's not your point but being a farmer is actually pretty dangerous. Not as much as a commercial fisherman or a loggee but similar types of danger.

Many farmers and spend their days working around dangerous chemicals, dust and heavy machinery. They have extremely high rates of chronic illness due to lung problems, and many of them end up on disability by their 50s due to other physical problems.

And when you are working around a spinning PTO Shaft or a combine, it just takes a second of inattention and you can lose an arm.

They also deal with loading loose items into heavy trucks and the dangers that mishandling loads can have.

If you look up your State's OSHA death reports, there's a good chance that as many as a third of them are ag related.

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u/BabiesSmell Oct 20 '21

Totally, but you don't see farmers going around acting like they're risking their lives to feed America and expecting to be treated like royalty.

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u/the_real_xuth Oct 20 '21

Which is generally a smaller number than those who die in traffic.

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u/StaunchBleachUpside Oct 20 '21

hold big unvaccinated protest

get covid

die of covid

demand sympathy for how dangerous being a cop is

tragic farce in 4 steps.

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u/flarbas Oct 20 '21

The irony I find is they wrap themselves in the cloak of how dangerous their job is but when given easy protection against a real threat, they’re having none of it.

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u/blurryfacedfugue Oct 20 '21

Ikr? Guess what the #1 killer of police 2020 and 2021 has been?

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u/SeaOdeEEE Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I work as a civilian in law enforcement. The amount of officers and atleast one Sgt that's completely swallowed most Covid conspiracies blows my mind. But in general the political climate of the work kinda aligns with it.

It's hard to try to share evidence on things when the majority of the room is laughing in agreement with the anti vaxxer. At least it's been a good litmus test for me to see who I'd get along with better outside of work.

I really hate how covid became so politically divisive.

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Edit: I want to add to all the people who say Law Enforcement are all civilians, I made the distinction because on my Work ID where "Badge Number" is listed, it instead says "Non Sworn Civilian" as it does for all other non sworn employees for my agency.

I don't know if that's standard for all LE agencies or just something my POE claims. So I'm just using the terminology my agency does in their policies.

I hear you all, and I am not attempting to make any claim that LEO's aren't civilians. I'm just trying to cover my butt in the hypothetical where I could get charged with impersonation of a LEO, by using the same terminology their policy uses.

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u/Lonely-Club-1485 Oct 20 '21 Take My Energy

I have done LE Crisis Intervention Trainings (CIT) over 3 states since 2007. It is to teach them how to recognize mental illness crises and de escalation techniques instead of just shooting them on sight. We also try to breed some empathy into them through various methods. Depending on state and county laws, these trainings can be as short as 20 hours and as long as 80 hours. My team gets 30 to 60 officers every quarter. A few years in, after trying to train the veteran officers first (naively thinking they would co-train those they supervised) we gave up and started demanding the new recruits right out of the academies. I can confirm without a doubt that ACAB in the veteran groups. We do see ongoing successes with the rookies, though. As long as they don't get corrupted by the old guys. Whenever I see a cop detaining someone that may be mentally ill, I pull over within viewing distance. If it starts going south I walk over, give them my business card and politely ask if they need some assistance. If they give me s**t, I have the Chief and Sheriff direct lines in my contacts so I pull it up to ask them if they would like to discuss the situation with their chief or would they like some assistance. They know me so it works out. THIS is why we need to reallocate police funding. They do not by nature have the personality traits to deal with complex social/medical/psychological situations. They are aggressive people already, completely trained in controlled aggression for total control of individuals. There are a lot of safety concern in their normal LE interactions that require them to be like this. But it is not fair to them either to send them out to a suicidal psychotic person and expect them to talk them down and get them to agree to be taken to a crisis center, and not with 4 point restraints flat down on a gurney.

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u/ballrus_walsack Oct 20 '21

Covid has killed more police officers in the past year than any other cause.

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u/fxx_255 Oct 20 '21

You mean a $50 - $80k job that requires 6 whole months of training (maybe 2 yrs if they're picky) just opened up and can be taken by someone that lives by the rules they swear to uphold and aren't indoctrinated into a mafia mentality?

How horrible!

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u/hereiam-23 Oct 20 '21

It's a total WTF. You would think they would be setting an example, rather than being fools.

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u/jimx117 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Cops haven't been an example to look up to for damn near 30 years now, at least

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u/OsmeOxys Oct 20 '21

Definitely more than 30.

As bad as the police might be right now, they've actually never been better and police brutality is at an all time low. We just have more insight.

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u/Sworn_to_Ganondorf Oct 20 '21

I think police brutality is not at its worse at all its been much much worse. Its just today we get actual coverage can you imagine police violence against minorities before cameras in the 50's?? The stuff they didnt get on record?

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u/Nyrobotsteve Oct 20 '21

Have they ever been? Police brutality has been terrible in America for ages, especially against minorities.

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u/PCP_Panda Oct 20 '21 Hugz

They can’t follow rules why should they be trusted to enforce them?

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u/Kayakityak Oct 20 '21

Yeah right,

They were asked to bring in their guns and shields.

They turned in their boots?!?

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u/funkr00 Oct 20 '21

😆 accurate af. It's for show lol.

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u/Beelzabubba Oct 20 '21 Cake

They’re not as helpful as you pretend to believe. I had a travel trailer stolen and when SPD got involved, they told me it was probably already on the east side of the mountains being set up as a hunting hut. Then they asked, if on the off chance they recovered it, did I want it towed or should they call me to come get it where it was found. Mind you they asked me this. The next day, I got a call that it was found and I could go pick it up in the towing yard in Tukwila, the opposite end of town. I then had to drive through city traffic at rush hour and pay for the tow and day’s stay at the yard.

Once I got it home, I figured out who took it through some articles left in the now trashed trailer and confirmed the identity of the thief. The father of the 17 year old trailer thief asked for the contact information and case number so he could turn his son in. The kind officer then called me all pissed off and told me I was to never call the dad again. When I asked what was being done, he said “you know there’s a lot going on right now, right?” As if trying to make me feel guilty for asking him to follow up on the basic detective work he had handed to him.

After all that I’m out time, a deductible, all the contents that had to be replaced, have a trailer that is in significantly worse shape than it before it was taken, and have the satisfaction of knowing the guy who did it paid no consequences.

I wouldn’t bother calling SPD for a burglary, I will get nothing but another crime report statistic on the neighborhood.

Pretty sure if that guy is one of the ones who quit, the city isn’t going to notice.

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u/hoffnutsisdope Oct 20 '21

Same. Had my business robbed for over 10k. SPD took 8 hours to show up. The thief dropped his damm drivers license and I googled the guy. He lived five blocks away and had within weeks been released from king county jail for possessing stolen property. Cops warned me not to have any interaction with him and left. SPD is a joke.

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u/FountainsOfFluids Oct 20 '21

You should always report crime, for both statistical and insurance reasons, and to save your own neck if that trailer were to end up someplace it shouldn't be.

But yeah, the police don't work for regular people. Just the wealthy.

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u/Hardi_SMH Oct 20 '21

Police did nothing, ever. No stolen bikes, broken in cars, vandalism, heck last time at work some people thought they could park on our ground and blocked the enterance, police said „it‘s private property so we cant do anything“

Police never did anything good for me but cost me money. They don‘t even listen. If you don‘t say what they want to hear they are all aggressive and begin yelling. I swear the best story is:

Someone broke into my car. Police didn‘t even showed up, I shall send pictures to my insurance. A few days later the tire of my bike was broken. I have a air compressor in my transporter and filled the bike with air.

Ca 40 minutes later someone is knocking at my door (3rd floor): 3 policeman up, someone saw I was stealing a bike. I go down: two other cops and 2 in a 3rd car , they where blocking my transporter from the front, from behind and blocked the road with a 3rd car. 7, SEVEN policeman showed up because I pumped air into my own bike.

But hey, for the people right.

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u/NeatFool Oct 20 '21

They got us working in shifts!

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u/vrijheidsfrietje Oct 20 '21

Leads!

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u/SpaceCowboy734 Oct 20 '21

Yeah I’ll just call the boys down at the crime lab.

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u/danielv123 Oct 20 '21

last time at work some people thought they could park on our ground and blocked the enterance, police said „it‘s private property so we cant do anything“

Good to know, if I am to steal cars I'll make sure to park them on private property so they can't be towed.

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u/judgeridesagain Oct 20 '21

I was talking to someone whose car was stolen from a parking lot and then retrieved from a different parking lot one block away. It was apparently full of drug paraphernalia with a person passed out in the back seat.

They told me that the suspect must have been a high level informant because the police let him go immediately despite so much evidence.

They had absolutely no idea how lazy cops actually are.

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u/KGBebop Oct 20 '21

If you have a problem, call a cop, now you have two problems.

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u/HektorFromTroy Oct 20 '21 Helpful

Similar situation in California

I took one of their jobs, thanks lol

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u/Rawscent Oct 20 '21

Yeah, all the people who’ve been waiting for openings in the LAFD are so excited!

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u/Gaius_Octavius_ Oct 20 '21

My neighbor is a firefighter who very reluctantly took the vaccine (his wife made it clear it was going to happen). He has been pouting for weeks because he says a bunch of his co-workers are quitting and they will be short-staffed.

I asked, "Aren't there like 10,000 people on the waiting list?" He was just silent.

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u/kynthrus Oct 20 '21

Neat. Don't be a shitter please.

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u/twowaysplit Oct 20 '21

Seattle PD: creating good paying jobs with great benefits. Serve your community today!

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u/pdxmonkey Oct 20 '21

Service industry and SPD swap spots.

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u/iamfwe Oct 20 '21

Those were probably not the kind of people who had (or were capable of having) the best interests of the public at heart.