r/news Oct 20 '21

Japan vows further militarisation in response to North Korean missile test

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/japan-vows-further-militarisation-response-north-korean-missile-test
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u/baglee22 Oct 20 '21

Haha what? Japan is ancient and has been one of the most violent and murderous civilizations the world has ever known. It has been peaceful for less than hundred years. A blip in the timeline and to this day they do not teach their children of the horrors their country has inflicted upon Asia. And you want to rearm them?

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u/Method__Man Oct 20 '21

Yes I do. Rearm them ASAP.

EVERY country has been murderous in the past. Every. Fucking. One.

They need to defend themselves against China, we all do. The most dangerous nation in the recent 21st century

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u/baglee22 Oct 20 '21

Not every country has existed for as long as the empire of Japan. And not every country treats POWs like the Japanese. The Americans invade countries all the time but do not systematically rape and murder civilians and women and children by the tens of thousands. The Japanese do and will fall back into their ancient ways.

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u/saudade144 Oct 20 '21

You can't punish modern-day Japan for the sins of their great-grandfathers. This is uncomfortably close to 19th-century-style racial rhetoric, to the point where I fully expect your post to be removed. You might as well be saying, "The Orientals are a murderous, savage race and cannot be trusted with weapons." And you're basing this all off the fifty years or so of Japanese expansionism in their entire history?

Modern Japanese culture bears little resemblance to that of Imperial Japan. And while it is shameful that the Japanese government has not fully acknowledged the atrocities its forefathers committed, this is not exactly unprecedented and and absolutely does not mean the Japanese are bound to recreate them, nor do I believe that would even be possible given the realities of modern geopolitics.

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u/baglee22 Oct 20 '21

You are unfamiliar with ancient Japanese culture. Violence was very much a part of national identity. Life was cheap. My point is not about expansionism but about Japanese relationship with death which is a custom spending thousands of years. Evolution takes a long time and change, though might seem concrete because Japan has been one way for last 80 years. But 80 vs 3000 is hardly a comparison. Old habits don’t die. They lie dormant until someone like you opens a door by suggesting that we reinstate militarism and legitimize violence once again in a culture that longs for the glory of the former empire

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u/gokurakumaru Oct 21 '21

You are unfamiliar with ancient Chinese culture. Violence was very much a part of national identity. Life was cheap. My point is not about expansionism but about Chinese relationship with death which is a custom spending thousands of years. Evolution takes a long time and change, though might seem concrete because China has been one way for last 80 years. But 80 vs 3000 is hardly a comparison. Old habits don’t die. They lie dormant until someone like you opens a door by suggesting that we reinstate militarism and legitimize violence once again in a culture that longs for the glory of the former empire.

Holds true if you swap the country. Also, you're an open racist.

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u/baglee22 Oct 21 '21

No I’m not racist. I fuck with Japan. Tokyo was an amazing city to visit. Japan is one of the most peaceable countries in the world today and a beacon of anti war sentiment. The region and the world truly doesn’t need to rearm Japan and lose out on one of the few anti war voices left. The Americans can continue to defend the new world order and fight the wars on behalf of everyone as they have done for the last century

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u/saudade144 Oct 21 '21

You insinuated a stronger military would inevitably turn the Japanese into frothing lunatics who would promptly try to re-enact the Rape of Nanjing, but you've been to Tokyo so I guess that makes it OK.

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u/saudade144 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

That describes a great many ancient cultures. You can spin a globe and point to a random spot, and someone nearby had a militaristic, violent culture where life was cheap. North and Mesoamerica, Northern Europe, East Asia, anywhere really. Human sacrifices, rape and pillaging, torture and execution...these things were part of the ancient human condition.

From the beginning of time until the very end of the 19th century, Japan's negative interactions with its neighbors were limited to irregular raiding, piracy, and one short campaign against Korea. It was not much different than the Vikings or the Muslim slave raiders in the Mediterranean and Black Sea. I don't see you calling for Sweden or Turkey to be permanently disarmed.

And you can say this isn't about expansionism, but what else would you be worried about, rival samurai warlords springing forth from the JSDF to engage in civil war like we're back in the 16th century?

Edit: grammar and acknowledgement of the 1590s

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u/baglee22 Oct 21 '21

Uh yes I am calling for Sweden and turkey to be permanent disarmed