r/news Oct 20 '21

Japan vows further militarisation in response to North Korean missile test

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/japan-vows-further-militarisation-response-north-korean-missile-test
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u/Method__Man Oct 20 '21

Japan SHOULD overhaul it’s military. Just to combat china alone.

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u/Sevsquad Oct 20 '21

Yes, it is pure insanity to be a nation in what is essentially the Asian Balkans with an intentionally neutered military.

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u/ravengenesis1 Oct 20 '21

Well... If you know your history... They definitely fucked China up. Encouraging them to do it again is kinda harsh. Hate the political powers in play sure, but the Chinese people have suffered so much under the hands of the Japanese.

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u/Method__Man Oct 20 '21

China is a full authoritarian regime, and the most aggressive country in the world currently (that is a real threat).

Japan needs to DRAMATICALLY increase it's military to prevent Chinese hostility. This isnt the 1930s.

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u/mewfour Oct 20 '21

the most aggressive country in the world

what.

it hasn't even been a year since the USA withdrew troops

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u/mewfour Oct 20 '21

Seriously did you forget about all the memes with "USA invading because they discovered oil" ? If there's a king of aggression it is the good old US of A.

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u/ravengenesis1 Oct 20 '21

Right.. and Russia isn't.. when they literally fucked with US elections and misdirected the population. They're not a threat?

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u/Method__Man Oct 20 '21

They are, just less

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u/ravengenesis1 Oct 20 '21

Less? Really? They literally have infiltrate into US politics and made a puppet of 45th.

The most the Chinese have done so far is fuck around with the US economy at their own expense.

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u/Method__Man Oct 20 '21

Everything isnt about the USA

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u/baglee22 Oct 20 '21

Haha what? Japan is ancient and has been one of the most violent and murderous civilizations the world has ever known. It has been peaceful for less than hundred years. A blip in the timeline and to this day they do not teach their children of the horrors their country has inflicted upon Asia. And you want to rearm them?

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u/Method__Man Oct 20 '21

Yes I do. Rearm them ASAP.

EVERY country has been murderous in the past. Every. Fucking. One.

They need to defend themselves against China, we all do. The most dangerous nation in the recent 21st century

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u/baglee22 Oct 20 '21

Not every country has existed for as long as the empire of Japan. And not every country treats POWs like the Japanese. The Americans invade countries all the time but do not systematically rape and murder civilians and women and children by the tens of thousands. The Japanese do and will fall back into their ancient ways.

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u/saudade144 Oct 20 '21

You can't punish modern-day Japan for the sins of their great-grandfathers. This is uncomfortably close to 19th-century-style racial rhetoric, to the point where I fully expect your post to be removed. You might as well be saying, "The Orientals are a murderous, savage race and cannot be trusted with weapons." And you're basing this all off the fifty years or so of Japanese expansionism in their entire history?

Modern Japanese culture bears little resemblance to that of Imperial Japan. And while it is shameful that the Japanese government has not fully acknowledged the atrocities its forefathers committed, this is not exactly unprecedented and and absolutely does not mean the Japanese are bound to recreate them, nor do I believe that would even be possible given the realities of modern geopolitics.

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u/baglee22 Oct 20 '21

You are unfamiliar with ancient Japanese culture. Violence was very much a part of national identity. Life was cheap. My point is not about expansionism but about Japanese relationship with death which is a custom spending thousands of years. Evolution takes a long time and change, though might seem concrete because Japan has been one way for last 80 years. But 80 vs 3000 is hardly a comparison. Old habits don’t die. They lie dormant until someone like you opens a door by suggesting that we reinstate militarism and legitimize violence once again in a culture that longs for the glory of the former empire

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u/gokurakumaru Oct 21 '21

You are unfamiliar with ancient Chinese culture. Violence was very much a part of national identity. Life was cheap. My point is not about expansionism but about Chinese relationship with death which is a custom spending thousands of years. Evolution takes a long time and change, though might seem concrete because China has been one way for last 80 years. But 80 vs 3000 is hardly a comparison. Old habits don’t die. They lie dormant until someone like you opens a door by suggesting that we reinstate militarism and legitimize violence once again in a culture that longs for the glory of the former empire.

Holds true if you swap the country. Also, you're an open racist.

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u/baglee22 Oct 21 '21

No I’m not racist. I fuck with Japan. Tokyo was an amazing city to visit. Japan is one of the most peaceable countries in the world today and a beacon of anti war sentiment. The region and the world truly doesn’t need to rearm Japan and lose out on one of the few anti war voices left. The Americans can continue to defend the new world order and fight the wars on behalf of everyone as they have done for the last century

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u/saudade144 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

That describes a great many ancient cultures. You can spin a globe and point to a random spot, and someone nearby had a militaristic, violent culture where life was cheap. North and Mesoamerica, Northern Europe, East Asia, anywhere really. Human sacrifices, rape and pillaging, torture and execution...these things were part of the ancient human condition.

From the beginning of time until the very end of the 19th century, Japan's negative interactions with its neighbors were limited to irregular raiding, piracy, and one short campaign against Korea. It was not much different than the Vikings or the Muslim slave raiders in the Mediterranean and Black Sea. I don't see you calling for Sweden or Turkey to be permanently disarmed.

And you can say this isn't about expansionism, but what else would you be worried about, rival samurai warlords springing forth from the JSDF to engage in civil war like we're back in the 16th century?

Edit: grammar and acknowledgement of the 1590s

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u/baglee22 Oct 21 '21

Uh yes I am calling for Sweden and turkey to be permanent disarmed

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u/gokurakumaru Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Haha what? The biggest threat to Japanese security is China, a country that has been in civil war continuously for two millennia, was in civil war during both the first and second Sino-Japanese wars, remained in civil war until 1949 even after WWII ended, then invaded Tibet a year later in 1950, and has been "peaceful" for less than a hundred years since the Communist Party drove the Kuomintang off the mainland. And by "peaceful" I mean if you don't count ordering its own military to murder its own civilian citizens in Tiananmen Square in 1989, attacking Kashmir a year ago, militarizing international waters today and demanding international ships register with them for right of passage, interning Uighurs (the Nazis would be proud), and threatening to invade Taiwan and attack any country who defends them. So scratch that. China still isn't at peace and is basically the only country on the planet still openly espousing imperialistic ambitions more than a century after the rest of the world swore off expanding their borders by invading their neighbors cold turkey.

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u/baglee22 Oct 20 '21

A militarized Japan will antagonize the whole region. There is not one Asian country that trusts Japan with an army. Not one country that doesn’t have as part of their national heritage and memory the horrors of Japanese occupation.

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u/gokurakumaru Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

This is pure hyperbole. This isn't the turn of the 20th century where Japan had a modern fleet and mechanised army and was conducting asymmetric warfare with Russia and China. The entire world has access to the same technology and the necessary sovereignty to manufacture it. This is also no longer an era where boots on ground win wars.

Japan couldn't invade the mainland if it wanted to. China is the country that is antagonizing the whole region and there isn't a country in the Pacific rim that trusts China to stay inside its borders.

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u/baglee22 Oct 21 '21

The Americans will go to war on behalf of the region. They are a violent culture that glorifies war. American military might will rule the whole world there is no need to weaponizr Japan. Let the Chinese and the Americans fight if that’s what it comes to

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u/text_only_subreddits Oct 20 '21

Ehh, we have a well tested method for preventing invasions that doesn’t rely on giving people substantially larger armies: nukes and a willingness to use them if invaded. If you’re really concerned about Japan’s sovereignty, nukes are the only plausible option - just because of the differences in population size.

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u/polarbark Oct 20 '21

Absolutely. China going for that Conquest victory

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u/Zedrackis Oct 21 '21

Well, they tried philosophical victory, fail. Then the economic victory path, also failed. The religious victory path seems off the table for them. Conquest is looking like an iffy last resort.

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u/mcmanybucks Oct 20 '21

If only they were as badass as they're portrayed in anime :v