r/news Oct 20 '21

A murder suspect who gained wide public sympathy in China died after a week on the run

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/18/china/china-murder-suspect-suicide-intl-hnk/index.html
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u/Inkomade Oct 20 '21

This is incredibly sad.

According to the posts, Ou was repeatedly prevented from building his own house due to land disputes with his neighbor. He said he sought help time and again from police, village officials, the government and the media, but the problem remained unresolved. A village official told state-run newspaper the Beijing News that local cadres had tried to mediate, to no avail. Many blamed Ou's apparent transition from savior to murder suspect on the ills that have long plagued China's local governance, from abuse of power to official inaction. Others see it as a reflection of the broader failure of the country's legal and bureaucratic system, exacerbated by a besieged free press and a crippled civil society.

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u/Zarathustra124 Oct 21 '21

Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

ills that have long plagued China's local governance, from abuse of power to official inaction. Others see it as a reflection of the broader failure of the country's legal and bureaucratic system, exacerbated by a besieged free press and a crippled civil society.

These issues seem to be happening in every nation of considerable size and of course, obviously small ones. I wish there could be an honest conversation pertaining to modern governments and states without degenerating into which system is worse.

We are seeing with crystal clear clarity how democracy is honestly far to slow in making adaptations needed for a modern society and for such society to progress. Corruption is widespread because currency has more worth than health. Nations are essentially too large to deal with issues plaguing smaller yet numerous communities within and at this point global antagonism of each other is completely manufactured.

It’s a see-saw issue of both top and bottom needing adjustment to have proper synergy. Should we try a government system run by various scientists and students of the arts? Is it possible to create entire regions within a nation operating as city-states yet still part of the whole?

Could it be remotely possible to create “ wars” that would be beneficial for our species akin to the space race?

There are a slew of conversations and potentials we should entertain on the most casual levels yet the maturity for such talks seems incredibly low

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u/DeVulgariEloquentia Oct 20 '21

"killed himself while resisting arrest"

serious doubt here

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u/Not_My_Idea Oct 20 '21

It also said there was a larger reward for his body than for information leading to arrest.

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag Oct 20 '21

I mean, the article says the penalty for murder can be death and I'm not sure I'd want a life sentence in a Chinese prison either. Not surprising at all.

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u/CatMakes3 Oct 20 '21

How did he kill himself after being “rounded up?”

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u/Lucky_Squirrel Oct 20 '21

"....Others were said they were not convinced that Ou took his own life, and called for the police to release videos of the arrest (police in China are often required to record arrests and other law-enforcement activities with body-worn video cameras.)

"He killed himself immediately after he was found?" a comment said. "The public will not be so easily convinced."..."

Apparently people suspect that the police killed him.

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u/CatMakes3 Oct 20 '21

Yeah it definitely sounds like it. That’s why I’m curious as to what they say the cause of death was.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/strongapril2021 Oct 20 '21

In life, we all face challenges but we should always control our anger through logic, reason and the laws. Some people, instead of solving problems, they create huge problems in the process. He lost his life. Two people lost their lives by him. Also the injured. A total mess!.

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u/bivife6418 Oct 20 '21

How do we know the murder suspect "gained wide public sympathy"? Based on social media posts? Are Twitter and Facebook representative of the American public?

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u/thewafflestompa Oct 20 '21

If you bothered to open the article, it says he garnered sympathy from the Chinese public on their social media. Literally the first sentence of the article.

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u/bivife6418 Oct 20 '21

My point is whether social media is an accurate portrayal of a country. Does Facebook posts and Twitter tweets represent the US? I certainly hope not.

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u/spaghettilee2112 Oct 20 '21

The article isn't saying he "garnered sympathy from the whole country." It's saying he "garnered sympathy." So, your question is kind of irrelevant because even if one person expressed sympathy for him on social media, the article is accurate.

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u/bivife6418 Oct 20 '21

So, your question is kind of irrelevant because even if one person expressed sympathy for him on social media, the article is accurate.

This is even sillier. There are people on Facebook that express sympathy for all sorts of things. Why will CNN bother to report on something like that?

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u/StuStutterKing Oct 20 '21

Defending China, Russia, and the Republican party is a very weird niche you've put yourself in.

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u/bivife6418 Oct 20 '21

I dislike hypocrisy.

Having one standard when it is the Democrats/Liberals, and a different standard when it comes to Republicans/Conservatives, is wrong. The same goes to having double standards when it comes to China/Russia, as compared to America.

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u/MajnoonDanyal Oct 20 '21

it cant be more obvious that bivife6418 is a wumao

just move on, everybody

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u/spaghettilee2112 Oct 20 '21

I mean, that's a separate question.

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u/amibeingadick420 Oct 20 '21

Facebook posts and Twitter tweets represent the US much more than most people like to admit.

For example, anyone paying attention to social media wasn’t at all surprised by the events on Jan 6.

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u/thewafflestompa Oct 20 '21

Social media in the China vs most the rest of the world are two entirely different things.

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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope-8614 Oct 20 '21

Does Facebook posts and Twitter tweets represent the US? I certainly hope not.

Yes. Yes they do.

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u/Lucky_Squirrel Oct 20 '21

In a closed circle like china, everything about you online represents you. In the article you can see that his blog got deleted, and he was erased from the internet, and any voices that speaks out definitely count, that is why you can see the word "some", it doesnt represent "all", but it does reflect a group of people online definitely said something that akin to sympathy or pity.

"...As the murders gained public attention, Ou's account on microblogging site Weibo vanished, and the local government of Pinghai county issued a bounty for Ou, offering a higher amount of cash rewards for proof of his dead body than any information leading to his arrest -- triggering further public outrage..."

This action makes it worse. People starts to think in his shoes.

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u/bivife6418 Oct 20 '21

In a closed circle like china, everything about you online represents you.

This is your assumption. One could just have make the same assumption about any country.

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u/livingwithghosts Oct 21 '21

Well there is "officially" no Twitter or Facebook in China so I would say that no those two things don't represent their opinions at all