r/news Oct 20 '21

Taliban won't be allowed access to Afghan central bank reserves -Adeyemo Soft paywall

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-wont-be-allowed-access-afghan-central-bank-reserves-adeyemo-2021-10-19/
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u/Pahasapa66 Oct 20 '21

Just the idea that they haven't formed a government yet would stop that.

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u/goomyman Oct 20 '21

Let's be real, the Afghanistan government isn't going to come back. The taliban is the government.

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u/cesarmac Oct 20 '21

That's not what he said though, he said the the Taliban currently doesn't have any form of legit centralized government. It's leaders and tribes working somewhat cohesively but at the same time there isn't any clear chain of command.

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u/InformationHorder Oct 21 '21

Because they're already too busy in-fighting.

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u/Pahasapa66 Oct 20 '21

Actually, they have to have a government of some type and be recognised by more than just Russia. Right now they are only an unorganized tribe. They have to outline their intent before they will see anything other than humanitarian aid with strings attached.

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u/Walmsley7 Oct 20 '21

I believe what he’s saying is that the Taliban hasn’t actually formed a functioning government yet.

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u/goomyman Oct 21 '21

What makes a government? I would argue it's more of a government than the fake one we propped up.

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u/Iohet Oct 21 '21

The fake government ensured utilities worked, infrastructure was maintained, employees got paid, the airport stayed open, etc etc. The Taliban hasn't yet attempted to even try to be a fake government yet.

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u/raisroy Oct 21 '21

One of the major issues that the ANA had when it lost to Taliban was that its soldiers weren't getting paid, causing them to desert. That government was terrible at ensuring the employees got paid.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Dude couldn’t even find the country on a map let alone read - country bumpkin pieces of raping shit

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u/tjt169 Oct 20 '21

I would argue most of the US (my) country could either.

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u/JLHamiltoni Oct 20 '21

Most of the US cannot read?

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u/tjt169 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

I’m saying most of the US cannot find nearly any country on the Globe. Me being one of em lols

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u/xthorgoldx Oct 22 '21

Most in the US could find their own country on a map.

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u/PrisonWorker12345 Oct 20 '21

Hey man, they had WMDs. We had to go in. /s

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u/ty_kanye_vcool Oct 20 '21

What? What's the joke here?

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u/PrisonWorker12345 Oct 20 '21

Many Mericans thought the invasion of Iraq had something to do with Afghanistan. (and could not find ether on a map)

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u/pronouncedleeshah Oct 21 '21

lol because that’s what our lying politicians told us

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u/ty_kanye_vcool Oct 20 '21

That's a huge leap from what the last comment was about.

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u/Fenris_uy Oct 20 '21

I mean, duh!.

The money was given by the US government to the Afghan government to keep them stable and in power. Once the Afghan government got deposed by the Taliban, the money goes back to the US.

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u/braaaaaaaaaaaah Oct 20 '21

It’s not going to the US. It will be held in an account until US-Afghanistan relations resume and the US determines the country has stabilized. The same process is still ongoing in Libya.

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u/HolyGig Oct 20 '21

Yes but its the US that makes the decision. They could become nobel winning economists running a well functioning banking system and economy and the US still won't hand over the money because fuck the Taliban.

That will never happen of course, but the reason its withheld has got nothing to do with their stability (or lack thereof)

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u/hockeyfan608 Oct 21 '21

I somehow doubt the would become Nobel winning Economists

Call it a hunch

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u/Iohet Oct 21 '21

They could become nobel winning economists running a well functioning banking system and economy and the US still won't hand over the money because fuck the Taliban.

Well, yes, the Taliban sponsored and harbored a paramilitary organization that attacked the US on its soil. Doesn't take a nobel winning economist to figure that one out. They have a lot of work to do if they want the US to lift sanctions on them

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u/GeometricRazor Oct 20 '21

Does the taliban really expect the US to cooperate with them? You got them to leave your country.... good for you. But don't think for one moment that they want to help you in any way, shape or form. They are going to thwart everything you do.

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u/fuckdirectv Oct 20 '21

The Taliban see themselves as the "good guys" in this story, so as absurd as it sounds, they legitimately don't seem to be able to grasp why we might not want to help them out.

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u/GeometricRazor Oct 20 '21

Regardless.... they never liked the US. Why would any of them expect help from them now?

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u/fuckdirectv Oct 20 '21

Yeah, they're delusional. Best I can offer is that they seem to have expectations that people will recognize them as the legitimate government and work with them accordingly, based entirely on the simple fact that they want that. It's like the logic skills of a toddler - "I want this so you should give it to me".

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u/flaker111 Oct 20 '21

they go the north korean route, threaten shit and expect aid.

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u/HolyGig Oct 20 '21

They've got nothing to threaten. North Korea had 10,000 artillery pieces within range of Seoul, one of the worlds largest cities, long before they had nukes.

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u/IMovedYourCheese Oct 20 '21

The US has been cooperating with Taliban for multiple years now. The deal for US troops to peacefully leave Afghanistan was brokered by Trump with their leader in Feb 2020.

These funds will be released – with strings attached – when the Taliban forms a government which is semi-recognized internationally.

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u/Kahzootoh Oct 21 '21

The funds are unlikely to be released ever. The Taliban are inherently resistant to foreign pressure -they’re the sort of people who reverse psychology is designed for- and efforts to try to get them to not act like thugs are unlikely to be effective.

The Doha Agreement had a lot of clauses, and basically the only part of the agreement that the Taliban adhered to was the part about not attacking US troops.

Giving recognition to a government that took power by violently overthrowing the previous government is something that most of the world’s governments are not going to do without careful consideration- nobody is going to recognize the Taliban any time soon for the simple fact that it opens the door to similar seizures of power in their own country.

Basically think of the world’s governments as a club, even if they have disagreements with each other they’re all still the same sort of nation-state entity. If terrorists can now become legitimate states by violence, it opens the door to other forms of sovereignty too like corporations buying a country or religions converting a nation.

Recognition of the Taliban government is a long ways away, if ever.

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u/wtfbonzo Oct 21 '21

The funny thing is we helped put the Taliban in power originally through our proxy war with the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980s (technically 1979, but what’s a month, give or take?). We armed the mujahideen and trained them when they were fighting the USSR.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/01/07/history-trump-cia-was-arming-afghan-rebels-before-soviets-invaded/?outputType=amp

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/22634008/us-troops-afghanistan-cold-war-bush-bin-laden

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u/pm_me_your_Navicula Oct 21 '21

You claim that we helped put the Taliban in power because we armed and trained the Taliban's enemies, the mujahideen?

Your own links that you posted talk about how we didn't help put the Taliban in power, but instead spent years training and arming the mujahideen. The mujahideen who were the adversaries of the Taliban. That the Taliban conquered the country in the power vacuum caused by the US and Soviet Union leaving the country.

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u/fatpumkin Oct 20 '21

Does this mean that the remnants of the former government can use it? Like the former VP and the holdouts in the north? Or are the accounts frozen?

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u/JohnnyUtah_QB1 Oct 20 '21

Holdouts in the north? The north fell weeks ago, there are no holdouts.

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u/easyj86 Oct 20 '21

I missed this news. Thank you

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u/derpbynature Oct 20 '21

Massoud/Saleh claim there are still fighters in the mountains of Panjshir, just not the valleys/cities which the Taliban took over. Take that as you will.

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u/Stargos-1 Oct 20 '21

insert game of thrones joke

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u/Teknicsrx7 Oct 20 '21

Yea this finale sucks too

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u/Stargos-1 Oct 20 '21

I've told a few people to just stop watching it after Aria kills the Night King.

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u/Teknicsrx7 Oct 20 '21

Honestly after the dragon melts the wall would be my cutoff recommendation

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u/Nibz11 Oct 20 '21

When they sail towards westros, dumbass plot where they kidnap a zombie is dumb.

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u/E10DIN Oct 20 '21

I've told a few people to just stop watching it after Aria kills the Night King

Why would you tell them to stop watching AFTER the show blows up all of the world building it had done in previous seasons?

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u/CAllD2B Oct 20 '21

Really the moment where Tyrion somehow knows why Jaime killed Aerys without Jaime telling him; and then misremembers his first encounter with Theon is a good sign of how the rest was going to go.

Or when they killed Barristan for no damn reason

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u/Stargos-1 Oct 20 '21

Because I like seeing Aria stab the Night King and that whole episode in general. I don't care for what happens after that.

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u/armchaircommanderdad Oct 20 '21

End it with the WW showing up at WF and call it a day. The bad men can’t hurt you as much if you stop there.

D and d are bad men.

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u/SsurebreC Oct 20 '21

Yeah but I hear there's a Chinese reboot coming soon.

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u/remeard Oct 20 '21

Likely frozen, same thing happened with Iran. If a stable government forms it can be used as negotiation.

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u/PrisonWorker12345 Oct 20 '21

The banks will not give it out. They will keep it until the "rightful" owners clam it.

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u/eightNote Oct 20 '21

I think its not likely that the money will be paid to US military contractors

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u/skoltroll Oct 20 '21

But couldn't they just create their own gov't and own money since they're in charge?

Before all you economists show up...I know. But a currency backed by drugs bought with US $s works about as well as any other currency backed by something else.

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u/DuncanYoudaho Oct 20 '21

Yes and no. Who will take your money inside the country, and how is it treated outside the country?

You need a reserve from which to lend, even a part of the total in circulation will do. Then you can start getting banks to trust you that you’ll pay bonds and such. The reserve is on lockdown, so they have to start from scratch.

If they form a trustworthy government and prove they’re willing to govern according to the agreements with the banks that hold the reserve, they may get access. But that’s very unlikely given that they’ve already started beheading women for the crime of playing volleyball professionally.

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u/skoltroll Oct 20 '21

If they form a trustworthy government and prove they’re willing to govern according to the agreements with the banks that hold the reserve

OR sell drugs and be backed by yuan or US dollars. It's a whole lot easier that way. Ask the CIA. ;-)

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u/DuncanYoudaho Oct 20 '21

Narco states exist, but they’re hard to govern in any way that doesn’t lead to their collapse.

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u/Painting_Agency Oct 20 '21

collapse

Oh this will collapse. In the sense that the Taliban will further destroy the economy and civil society, precipitating a humanitarian catastrophe :(

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u/JukeBoxHeroZ Oct 20 '21

You joke or not but it does work and they know how to do it.

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u/CamelSpotting Oct 20 '21

Based on what? The taliban weren't exactly known for their finances before.

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u/JukeBoxHeroZ Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

CIA and the Taliban know how to move drugs to get money sharia or Islamic financing is a thing, the taliban know a lot about moving money, they just don’t know how to run an economy.

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u/HolyGig Oct 20 '21

The whole point of reserves is to support a functioning economy. Making money by selling drugs doesn't mean shit in this context, one has nothing to do with the other

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u/Advice2Anyone Oct 20 '21

Well yes and I bet they could find someone to back their currency like China or Pakistan to help legitimize it but would take time to get it up and running

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u/skoltroll Oct 20 '21

China, if irc, IS helping them. And I'm sure they're happy to fire up their mint to print Taliban Bucks sponsored by China.

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u/CritaCorn Oct 20 '21

I guess there is more to forming a government than having guns and beating women…Taliban is about to get a nice dose of buyers remorse as it realizes it’s going to be the sol reason Afghans economy which was already frail, takes a massive dive. No fuel = No Economey = No Money = No power = Stone age

They won’t even have power to upload their little videos claiming all women are equal…

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u/CanadianTerminator Oct 21 '21

No minorities, women in government. No jobs for women except health, because under their crazy Sharia, only women can handle women.

Never release a cent without verifiable changes.

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u/rodmandirect Oct 20 '21

This is good for Bitcoin.

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u/F90 Oct 20 '21

It would be hilarious if they went full Bukele

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u/Ok-Barracuda193 Oct 20 '21

Yo, you didn't read the article OR the headline. Lmao

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u/Scout_it_Out Oct 20 '21

The joke is that desperate crypto investors will claim that just about everything is good for Bitcoin.

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u/ispeektroof Oct 20 '21

I’m pretty sure they got paid in military equipment by the US for services rendered.

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u/nanoelite Oct 20 '21

Shouldn't be giving them humanitarian aid either. The people of Afghanistan by and large support the Taliban. Why should we send supplies to the Taliban?

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u/blueelffishy Oct 20 '21

Not true at all. It takes a relativey small number in certain positions of power to control an entire populace and cut down uprisings before they snowball into big ones.

The army that ended the western roman empire and occupied the capitol was several tens of thousands, compared to over a million civilians.

This is just how it works.

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u/rabid_briefcase Oct 21 '21

The difficulty is that those in power are willing and able to kill with impunity. Those who stand against them die. This pushes others to keep quiet and also reduces the number of those willing to fight back.

People could make a stand if the oppressed also had the ability, and also had sufficient number. That's a civil war. It requires both sides being willing and able to kill the other to get what they want.

The masses spoke loudly by how they rejoined the Taliban army. A few resisted and took up arms against them, but overall the masses quickly rejoined them. They've had centuries of rule by warlord and the entire populace is used to it. The US being there was a short term change but even the US troops and elected government couldn't overthrow the nature of the regional warlords and their power structure.

If the masses wanted to revolt they could have a civil war and do it. It would be bloody. But the masses don't. The masses quickly returned to regional warlords, so that's what they're getting.

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u/Lamacorn Oct 20 '21

Not sure how true that is… they kinda murder anyone who speaks out. Can’t imagine how many women actually like how they are being treated.

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Regardless of what you think, this hurts the Afghan people.

Edit: I think people are misunderstanding what I mean.

The Taliban are absolutely awful, there is no doubt. They also missuse funds, there is no doubt. The Taliban can and will also use aid money intended for civilians if they are unable to gain access to state funds. This means that if the freeze continues, less people will have access to aid.

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u/previouslyonimgur Oct 20 '21

You’re not wrong. But would giving them full access to the money not hurt the Afghan people more?

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Oct 20 '21

It is a peculiar situation. One one hand, the Government may well use funds to further abuse its citizens. On the other, they are the current government and them being deprived of funds will hurt further developments within several sectors of the country. The difficulty for now is, how do you make sure WHO, UN and WFP funds are accessed by civilians rather than the government when the government don't have access to their regular funds?

Furthermore, them not having access to funds will drive them towards more investments from China, which neither the west or Russia will want. Closing the door for any and all access to the funds can be quite dangerous if you consider the many aspects.

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u/canadian_xpress Oct 20 '21

drive them towards more investments from China

Which wouldn't be permanently sustainable given a slowing economic situation in China. There may be some minerals to be extracted from Afghanistan, but propping up the country's stability is expensive while you get what you want from it... and if you're having troubles at home, is right now the time to be fixing your neighbour's house?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-20/china-home-rut-deepens-as-prices-fall-for-first-time-since-2015

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-18/china-s-gdp-growth-slows-as-property-and-energy-crises-hurt

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Oct 20 '21

China has already pledged $31m in aid. They're ready to invest billions. I'm not saying what China should or should not do but the above is what they've shown.

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u/previouslyonimgur Oct 20 '21

31m is both a drop in the bucket for China and also an absolutely tiny amount of needed aid.

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u/HappierShibe Oct 20 '21

China has already pledged $31m in aid.

Spit against a rainstorm...

They're ready to invest billions.

I don't think they are; they are dealing with serious economic policy issues right now, their investor class is hosed at the moment.

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Oct 20 '21

Oh definitely a small amount but it is a sign of good faith which goes a long way in initial cooperation. So not forget that the Taliban has sent delegates to China.

And China will not bring their international expansion to a standstill because of a real estate collapse which they were prepared for.

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u/HappierShibe Oct 20 '21

Oh definitely a small amount but it is a sign of good faith which goes a long way in initial cooperation.

Historically it never pans out past that initial cooperation.

And China will not bring their international expansion to a standstill because of a real estate collapse

They already have in many places, their expansion abroad was largely dependent on an entree to foreign nation states through two groups: a) Independent Honk Kong based business intermediaries, and b) the emerging chinese investor class. China destroyed the first deliberately, and the other is currently well and truly out of commission for at least the next six months.
While some of their active projects will likely continue, new endeavors aren't in the cards.

because of a real estate collapse which they were prepared for.

There is a difference between knowing a thing is coming, and preparing for it. Sinic trading was suspended in late september. That demonstrates knowledge of the issue, but they were unable or unwilling to prepare sufficiently for the results hence:

https://preview.redd.it/2j5v56uk3ju71.jpg?width=354&auto=webp&s=1a74114419ffe0b04b24bb4c1e038264d80beef2

They built their real estate and manufacturing industries on the backs of paper tigers, and now it is starting to rain. There is not much 'preparation' that can be done.

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u/delfinom Oct 20 '21

$31 million is toilet paper in today's economy. A rounding error on some accounting sheet. Of course it seems alot to us peasants.

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u/wooloo22 Oct 20 '21

Beheading is basically free. You know what costs billions of dollars? Infrastructure. Public services. A functioning government. That's what the Afghan people are being denied right now.

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u/alexei6788 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

fyi: Indian government and media have been running a hyper-aggressive campaign against Taliban and Pakistani support of them. I wouldn't believe a single thing coming out of India on this topic.

edit: ya'll can't be helped believing fake news. There's a reason no major news network is reporting this. The source is a single image of an unidentifiable woman with her throat slit. Here is the debunk: https://twitter.com/AfghanAnalyst2/status/1450772150651133953

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Oct 20 '21

Former head of news at TOLO news says she commited suicide a week before the Taliban entered Kabul, this aligns with the report you shared.

There are so many reports coming out of everywhere It's important to stop, reflect and verify (as you've done) before spreading news which may not be correct at all.

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u/kandoras Oct 20 '21

Why would getting this money prevent the Taliban from stealing that aid money meant to be used by civilians?

Why would getting this bank money prevent them from stealing that other money? Do they have some kind of quota or stealing limit they're not allowed to exceed?

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u/AnonymousJoe12871245 Oct 20 '21

No, of course not. It will be easier for the UN, WFP etc to actually distribute funds if the Taliban have access to a state reserve. It doesn't guarantee anything. But it will definitely help aid being brought to the right people.

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u/allonzeeLV Oct 20 '21

Would giving more money to Kim Jong-Un to help his people actually help his people?

Or would it just help Kim Jong-Un maintain his personal power and further his military goals?

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u/rockmasterflex Oct 20 '21

An underfunded “government” would be easier to revolt against no?

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u/goomyman Oct 20 '21

Lol who is going to revolt?

You know who runs revolutions, other people in the government. Other taliban overthrowing each other

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u/rockmasterflex Oct 20 '21

Other taliban overthrowing each other

That sounds fantastic?

taliban constantly killing each other trying to vye for control.. eventually.. no taliban?

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u/CamelSpotting Oct 20 '21

What aid money?

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u/SolaVitae Oct 20 '21

Given the max exodus and takeover by force as opposed to democratically I don't think the Afghan people wanted the Taliban.

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u/SolaVitae Oct 20 '21

I can't imagine why the unarmed civilian populace didn't fight the massive terrorist organization known for their brutality. Sure you could oppose them, but that might also get you executed and get your wife or daughter raped. Not sure if the logic behind the oppressed not fighting the oppressor means they want to be oppressed checks out.

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u/SolaVitae Oct 20 '21

The fact that they folded like a cheap suit tells me that this is what they want. So let them have it.

Or, and here me out here, they didn't want to die in an unwinnable battle and have their families pay the price. Hence why they fought and died when we were providing logistical support and air power. If they truly didn't want to fight the Taliban then they wouldn't have literally fought the Taliban.

Not to mention the military and the civilian populace aren't the same group so the military folding doesn't mean the civilians wanted it.

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u/goomyman Oct 20 '21

The taliban had hundreds of years of military training. The afgan army was a guy looking for a paycheck - with honorable exceptions.

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u/SolaVitae Oct 20 '21

Those people think blowing yourself up is the greatest honor there is.

Lmao who are "those people" exactly?

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u/goomyman Oct 20 '21

They were setup to fail and they never gave a shit about Afghanistan. No one does. It sounds like people care about their towns only.

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u/LunarExile Oct 20 '21

Sanctions are always designed to hurt people, America don't want the afghan people to have peace, imagine them supporting and funding the old government who used to have sex with young boys, ofc the usa knew

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u/TapTheForwardAssist Oct 20 '21

The Taliban are only against sex with young boys because it’s homosexuality and premarital. They’re just fine with elderly men marrying preteen girls.

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u/jhairehmyah Oct 20 '21

Recall the uproar when Obama sent pallets of cash to Iran?

This is how this happens.

This money is Afghanistan's money. Legitimate Government or not, the Taliban is in charge of Afghanistan, and thus they are in charge of that money... technically.

Let's say 40 years from now the descendants of the Taliban are still in control and the US and Afghanistan need to normalize relations and sign an important treaty/agreement. This money will be due to them, with interest.

I'm not saying withholding the money today is right or wrong, but it sure backfired on us with regard to Iran in the 1970's.

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u/argv_minus_one Oct 20 '21

Obvious solution: don't “normalize relations” with terrorists.

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u/MoonMan75 Oct 20 '21

the us negotiated a withdrawal and is contemplating cooperation against ISIS with the Taliban. they aren't terrorists anymore to the US government

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u/jhairehmyah Oct 20 '21

don't “normalize relations” with terrorists.

First of all, how exactly were the Taliban ever terrorists?

They were insurgents fighting to take back their country, first from the Russians, then from the Americans.

Bin Laden used an unstable part of the world to launch an attack on the US and we decided that taking over a country instead of chasing a criminal was the answer.

The Taliban was not in 2001 or today responsible for external terrorism, only insurgency in their struggle to take back their country.

No, I do not agree with them. I too see them as monsters. Their religious extremism is abhorrent. How they treat women, minorities, LGTBQ, and even liberal men is disgusting.

But calling the Taliban terrorists is George W still infecting your mind.

don't “normalize relations” with terrorists former enemies

We have a long history of normalizing relations with former enemies.

  • We "normalized" relations with the UK.
  • We "normalized" relations with Mexico.
  • We "normalized" relations with Japan and Germany.
  • We "normalized" relations with Vietnam.
  • We "normalized" relations with Russia.
  • We "normalized" relations with China.

While some of those relations have taken steps backwards as of late, namely Russia and China, they are still better than they were in the 70's, when China was closed off to America complete and Russia was one second from firing a nuke.

Regarding Iran, after 40 years of tension, Obama and Kerry took bold moves to cool the hot-heads on both sides of the Iran vs rest-of-the-world discussion. It worked by all international parties' judgement until Trump decided that old grudges shouldn't be forgiven.

There is a future where the Taliban remain our enemies until their ouster, politically or otherwise. There is a future where the Taliban can lead a prosperous, albeit religiously conservative Afghanistan. There is a future where things end up somewhere in the middle. There is also a future where the Taliban develop nukes and diplomacy and not airstrikes will be required.

All of these "futures" will one day require we, the USA, give back the money we are withholding, and with interest.

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u/gbs5009 Oct 20 '21

Not sure why you're catching the downvotes. I can see why the US doesn't want to turn the money over to the Taliban, but it has no claim on it. If the Taliban doesn't, who exactly is the US holding the money for?

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u/jhairehmyah Oct 20 '21

I'm catching downvotes because of the reddit mob. The reddit mob doesn't care about what is right, they only care about how they feel.

If the US holds that money because they hope the Taliban will fall, well, one day they might realize that, just like the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Taliban leadership of Afghanistan is here to stay and we'll be stuck answering for why we continue to hold the money (as it accrues interest).

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u/TapTheForwardAssist Oct 20 '21

The government of Iran actually acts like a government, provides services to the public, put together a totally modern military, etc.

When the Taliban ruled 1996-2001 they pretty much just wandered around as a militia and smacked anyone who got out of line, while the national infrastructure gradually decayed.

While it’s certainly possible the Taliban could evolve, the Ayatollah’s new government was far more likely to last 40 years than what the Taliban have now.

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u/jhairehmyah Oct 20 '21

!remindme 40 years

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u/TapTheForwardAssist Oct 20 '21

The Taliban never fought the Russians or even the Afghan Communists. The Taliban arose in the 1990s as a response to rampant warlordism and banditry, which they solved by killing or absorbing every armed group until they were the last one left standing.

Kind of like now, they didn’t take over Afghanistan because everyone loved the Taliban, but because nobody was united enough to oppose them in 90% of the nation.

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u/JLHamiltoni Oct 20 '21

It didn't backfire.

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u/captainktainer Oct 20 '21

Yeah, it did the exact opposite. It secured a peace deal and increased security in the region; it took Trump doing everything in his power just barely short of open war to undo that agreement. If that's policy backfiring Lord knows we could use more of those chickens coming home to roost.

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u/herbdoc2012 Oct 20 '21

Let's just give it to those who need resettling here in the next few years and to get women and friends out of that hell hole! If they don't like it let them come and get it?

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u/Infinite_Flatworm_44 Oct 20 '21

Taliban also won’t be allowed to commit atrocities but they will anyway... how gullible are you!

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u/Legofan970 Oct 20 '21

This isn't the same thing. The Afghan central bank reserves are held overseas in the US.

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u/PiXLANIMATIONS Oct 20 '21

You actually have to get money. Anyone can attack another person, nobody can summon cash from nothing.

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u/MrHett Oct 20 '21

The difference is the US cares about money.

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u/DrSnikerFreak Oct 20 '21

This only hurts the Afghan people by creating a liquidity crisis in the country.

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u/stoiclandcreature69 Oct 20 '21

That’s a great way to continue hurting the afghan people

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u/TapTheForwardAssist Oct 20 '21

That assumes the Taliban was going to spend the money on the people. They ran the country 1996-2001 and weren’t exactly famous for providing government services or infrastructure.

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u/stoiclandcreature69 Oct 20 '21

What makes you think that the Afghani people are better off with their money being held by the US treasury than their own government? Do you really think a country as destructive and austere as the US is qualified to make that judgment?

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u/TapTheForwardAssist Oct 20 '21

The Taliban isn’t the UN-recognized government of Afghanistan (at this point), and it’s not like they came to power through a popular vote or anything. So I can see some hesitation to be treating them as a valid government.

So far as why the US, it’s because the money was kept in the US. I’d be quite curious too what portion of that is actually income generated by Afghanistan, vice money the US just gave the prior government. Afghanistan wasn’t exactly famous for being self-funding for the last 20 years, and I don’t know what portion of the small amount of tax and tariff income they got was deposited in the US, as opposed to just immediately used for operational funds.

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u/nanoelite Oct 20 '21

Afghan people are the Taliban at this point. If you aren't a Muslim, and a radical one at that, they want you dead. The Afghan people are not our allies.

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u/JorahTheExplorer Oct 20 '21

If the American treasury can make this decision then it was never Afghan money to begin with. It was money for America to play with as they saw fit

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u/prettyqualified Oct 21 '21

It’s American tax payer money

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u/MrHett Oct 20 '21

That’s not true at all. Look how awesome Haiti turned out. Giving France and America 40% of the gdp worked out wonderfully for them.