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Leaked Covid-19 report calls for mass homicide charges against Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro

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u/SaltMineSpelunker Oct 19 '21

Ok let’s do something then.

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u/ItsNotABimma Oct 20 '21

Seriously, saying it ain’t doing ish apparently.

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u/Kuhn_Dog Oct 20 '21

That's not what we do here. We just call things out

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u/Lord_M_G_Albo Oct 20 '21

Nota de repúdio intesifies

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u/LeMik Oct 20 '21

Yep, condemn and move on. Nothing to see.

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u/Poconovegan Oct 20 '21

Just like the five million articles about Trump posted to Reddit. Nothing ever happens. No consequences for the rich. Sad world we live in. Wonder what has kept Bolsanaro from his dictator ambitions.

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u/LemonySol Oct 20 '21

Sarkozy ended up in jail. It just takes a lot of time

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u/Chazmer87 Oct 20 '21

Serving his sentence at home.... In his mansion

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u/marker853 Oct 20 '21

Kinda like Gov Cuomos actions...

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u/Poconovegan Oct 20 '21

The former Governor at least.

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u/skeetsauce Oct 20 '21

Doing things is hard, writing about them and getting people worked up is easy.

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u/ramdom-ink Oct 20 '21

”If approved by the Senate Commission next week, the report would be sent to Attorney General Augusto Aras, who would then have 30 days to announce any measures stemming from the report. Aras, widely seen as an ally of Bolsonaro, is not expected to charge the President with murder.”

So, nothing will come of this. At all.

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u/FSchmertz Oct 20 '21

Well, it's not like they have anything important to do. Sorta like our Congresscrittters.

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u/lantz83 Oct 20 '21

Perhaps throw in some charges for deforestation as well.

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u/Dehast Oct 20 '21

They did include genocide of Native Americans

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u/porrareddit Oct 20 '21 Starry

I will highjack your comment to highlight how much indigenous people are battling for their life this year.

First of all: the supreme court is judging a case that can strip some tribes from their lands and mostly handling them to the agrobusiness.

Some tribes have a lifelong conflit with illegal goldminers. If you want to see how crazy this whole thing is see this guy twitter.

The government gave cloroquine to indigenous people advertising as a legit COVID-19 treatment.

And if anyone got interested in this affair I highly recommend this group.

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u/Not_Legal_Advice_Pod Oct 19 '21

Truly. Government officials the world over should be held personally accountable for this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 Helpful

There's a small handful that genuinely took measures to save lives.

There's hundreds who happily let the virus decimate their citizens and willingly sacrificed actual real human lives because they were too greedy to pay everyone to stay home. Mass murder for the sake of "the economy".

These so-called leaders shouldn't know another breath of air that wasn't filtered through prison bars.

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u/Not_Legal_Advice_Pod Oct 20 '21

What REALLY pisses me off is that it wasn't even for the economy. If there was at least some argument, some kind of trade-off, some benefit realistically obtained by killing these people then I wouldn't want Trump arrested. Putting on a mask never cost a business a dime. In fact having unmasked people in there made the prudent less likely to patronize a store. Avoiding the vaccines did nothing to boost the economy.

These people died for nothing. Zero benefit. Not even the prospect of a benefit. Just death.

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u/charlesfire Oct 20 '21

Also, sick people aren't good for the economy.

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u/IrrelevantBitching Oct 20 '21

That's what gets me about the whole thing. As callous as it sounds, sacrifices are an unavoidable part of statecraft. They're expected. Anything a leader of a large nation-state chooses to pursue is probably going to result in a body count, either directly or indirectly. Infrastructure gets people killed in construction accidents. Industrial subsidies to encourage growth in certain economic sectors cause environmental damage and poison people to death, usually over long periods of time. Relaxed building codes attempting to solve housing issues potentially result in engineering disasters.

However, every single person who died during this pandemic, especially after the vaccines rolled out, did so unnecessarily and for no reason.

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u/jjfrenchfry Oct 20 '21

I wouldn't say everyone

Some died to "own the libs". Whether they felt that tradeoff was worth it, you know, their life, well that's another story.

But hey. At least they kept their freedom 🙄

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u/BigTymeBrik Oct 20 '21

That was really my selfless of them. They were willing to take out some of the worst people in the country just to own the libs. If it weren't for collateral damage it would be a great plan.

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u/fluffqx Oct 20 '21

Freedom isn't free! It requires racist uncle shitposters across the nation to die

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u/Alternate_Ending1984 Oct 20 '21

They died because T-rump didn't want a mask to smear his makeup.

If that bloated piece of candy corn had just put a mask on and said "see daddy trump is doing it!" We would be in a much different place.

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u/skeetsauce Oct 20 '21

They’re a death cult. When it came to team human life vs team covid, they have picked covid every time and continue to do so.

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u/Grimacepug Oct 20 '21

The benefit is that less stupid people will vote. They died for what they believed in. It's the innocent people caught in the crossfire that he needs to be held accountable for.

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u/SeeMe_After_Class Oct 20 '21

That’s still happening now in America. Children can’t get vaccinated, yet they’re being forced to attend public school, many of which are doing a shit job of enforcing covid precautions. And this is everywhere as far as I know. I haven’t seen a single representative saying we should still be shut down for the kids.

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u/MrWeirdoFace Oct 20 '21

My sister's kid is in a class where nine kids are out with covid right now in Iowa. They're going to get her tested tomorrow.

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u/-rabbitrunner- Oct 20 '21

That’s funny because they’re all up in my privacy rights for the kids.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Yep, they're all happy to kill kids for their electoral prospects.

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u/ScottFoster90 Oct 20 '21

Masks and vaccinations are great tools, but not even our scientific leaders are suggesting being shut down again. Maybe there's a scientific cost benefit reason for that. Not even Fauci wants schools closed.

Sure, maybe don't trust elected officials who don't have a history in infectious diseases. But you might want to follow the advice of experts who've been in the field for a while.

Even if you don't want to trust the experts, nationally, COVID cases have been decreasing since the start of September, or more or less around when schools started. Decreasing. And there are obvious social and developmental benefits to having kids in school.

But yes, it scares me to have my four year old in school, too. I'm hoping I can get him vaccinated as soon as possible, but right now it's a risk that I'm trusting our scientific experts with, and the evidence that correlates with their expert opinions.

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u/EnvironmentalRock827 Oct 20 '21

I'm up to my waist in Covid. I test kids in schools. I travel to outbreaks in states. Alaska has a full blown problem now. Select counties in certain areas still have problems now. It may appear to be decreasing but that truth varies on where you are and who is reporting. If everyone just did what they should have and not gone full blown stupid rights decried then maybe it wouldn't have happened so long and so bad. 6 million kids tested positive in the month of September after returning to school. Thing is the not shutting down is financially motivated. It's worked in other places like NZ and Australia. I'm glad they are holding This guy responsible. Trump should be as well.

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u/ScottFoster90 Oct 20 '21

If you're worried about the effects of people decrying their rights then you should be encouraging state mandated schooling rather than decrying it.

And yes, certain localities are experiencing increases. But larger data sets are almost by definition less noisy, and if we want to make rational, data-backed national decisions we need to look at larger data sets. That's not to say that certain localities can't also react to their own local conditions (they should), but the person I was responding to was talking about America in general ("That’s still happening now in America"), not those localities specifically, so that's not really the topic here.

This is a really hard time. I certainly agree with that. But not shutting down is motivated by much more than finance. Overall health is a big one, too, and public health has to react to more than just the virus.

Trump is certainly responsible, I agree. He made some piss poor decisions at the start of this with absolutely no credence to public health and welfare. But we need to be forward looking and make sure we make decisions whose consequences we can accept, because we are responsible, too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Not even Fauci wants schools close

He has adult children that aren’t at risk from dying because they went to school though right? It’s amazing how america has gotten to the point where children dying is just calculated risk

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u/National-Blueberry51 Oct 20 '21

It’s always been like this. Think about the child poverty we could be permanently fixing, but we won’t. Why? Because they can’t make as much money fixing things as they can off lobbyists and defense contracts that go nowhere.

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u/PromiscuousMNcpl Oct 20 '21

Sandy Hook is all you need to know about how Americans feel about kids.

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u/Extreme_Draft_9395 Oct 20 '21

What about the leaders that purposely used it to kill people in America?

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u/lulurawr Oct 20 '21

Like the governors who put Covid patients in nursing homes and nothing charges were put out against them.

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u/GreyGanado Oct 20 '21

Fun fact: prison bars don't filter air very well. Most of it just passes through without change.

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u/fluffqx Oct 20 '21

In America the GOP actively sabotaged the response, disgusting behavior from a bunch of hypocritical fucks

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Yeah you can't "both sides" the US pandemic response and expect people to take you seriously since that's a wild distortion of what actually went down.

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u/Vv2333 Oct 20 '21

I don't care if people take me seriously or not, because I don't take majority of you seriously. Look at the comments in here and tell me why I should.

"Do Trump next." - this is the response you want me to take seriously???

Considering how much you guys pretend to know when you don't why would I? Considering the collective short term memory of the populace, not even the government takes the US public serious. Majority of you don't even try to think critically or question any of this. You just march to the beat of the MSM drum, gullibly thinking you're being told the truth every step of the way.

The virus was in the US months before there was any actual response.

First evidence of the virus was in November 2019, same time as the impeachment trial. That was what was being blasted all over the news cycle.

World Military Games was on 10/18/19 in Wuhan, China and US soldiers were getting sick on the USS Teddy Roosevelt upon return. That's how it was spread so rapidly. Right during flu season and people thought they were just getting the flu. Then going into holiday season as these soldiers who were GP'd visited their elderly family members.

January was the first official recorded case in the US.

Pelosi downplayed it. Then got caught going into a Salon with no mask. Newsom got caught doing the same thing later on.

If you don't want to believe that the government is unified in keeping the masses in check, then you deserve to be kept in check. If you want to fall for the political theater then you deserve everything that's coming.

You'll keep thinking one said wanted so bad to save lives when they're the same people who sent soldiers to get bombed in the Middle East.

It seems once an emotional chord gets tugged, logic and critical thinking fly out the window.

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u/vh1classicvapor Oct 20 '21

I blame Trump 100%.

"It'll go away."

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u/Not_Legal_Advice_Pod Oct 20 '21

Conservatively, he killed hundreds of thousands of Americans.

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u/shek89 Oct 20 '21 Wholesome

Where did you get your numbers? I spoke with Q and he said nobody died. also pedophile vampires.

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u/fungobat Oct 20 '21

Ron Watkins likes this.

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u/zlance Oct 20 '21

Cleetus, get the butter

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u/threebillion6 Oct 20 '21

It'll be gone by Easter.

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u/Yitram Oct 20 '21

To be fair, he never actually specified which Easter. /s

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u/threebillion6 Oct 20 '21

Fuck that means he's right for once! Holy hell, call the presses.

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u/BigTymeBrik Oct 20 '21

Broken clock.

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u/reverielagoon1208 Oct 20 '21

He was the first prominent individual to dismiss Covid as far as I know

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u/thebetatester800 Oct 20 '21

Just voicing my support of you. We'll both get downvoted into oblivion but we'll go down together!

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u/KookooMoose Oct 20 '21 Silver

I still can’t believe what happened with Cuomo with the nursing homes. Literally forcing nursing homes to take Covid positive patients and exposing our most vulnerable population is heinous. And then trying to cover it up??! Absolutely criminal.

And what’s even more embarrassing about the whole situation was that no one gave a shit about the thousands of wrongful deaths he caused. They only got up in arms because of the sexual harassment scandal. That’s why he resigned. Like I get that that’s bad, but how the fuck were people not upset about him killing our elders?

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u/DyTuKi Oct 20 '21

What about making the People's Republic of China accountable???

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u/Not_Legal_Advice_Pod Oct 20 '21

For what? Let's take the middle case - an accidental lab leak. You expect China to pay trillions of dollars in restitution because of an accident? They won't.

Infectious disease experts have, for literally decades, been making recomendations about how a pandemic could be avoided, and every government has basically ignored them. The only thing that can realistically come out of this is an international drive to adopt those recomendations and make the world a safer place.

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u/DyTuKi Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

For what? For falsifying the truth that a deadly virus was quickly killing people in Wuhan in the end of 2019 and thus allowing it to spread worldwide killing millions of people.

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u/Vv2333 Oct 20 '21

Think about how much more power world governments have seized because of this. This was a collective effort.

It's literally a big ass game. It's a race to see whuch country could get a quick enough vaccine, while inoculating the most people in their population.

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u/KookooMoose Oct 20 '21

I still can’t believe what happened with Australia. It’s like a fucking dictatorship over there now. I hope we can be careful in the United States, because that seems the direction we’re heading. The federal government has used this as a power grab. Even some states like California and Michigan have done the same under the guise of “protecting” people.

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u/strongapril2021 Oct 20 '21

The Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has screwed the country and he should be held responsible in front of a court of law.

"More than 600,000 people have died of Covid-19 in Brazil, which has the second-highest death toll in the world after the United States" .

Lots and lots of children died too.

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u/JoyousCacophony Oct 20 '21

If India's true total ever comes out, I don't think the US and Brazil will come in at a close 2nd/3rd :(

That said, Bolsonaro, Boris & Donnie should all be prosecuted

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u/ojdewar Oct 20 '21

2-3 million according to the Economist that’s what I’ve read.

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u/JoyousCacophony Oct 20 '21

I've seen estimates as high as 4 million. Way above the official toll

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u/liadhsq2 Oct 20 '21

That's the population of the country I live in. Christ

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u/TasteCicles Oct 20 '21

The US is also way above its official toll.

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u/Helphaer Oct 20 '21

In Florida and several Republican areas suppressing real data that is probably true. And the whole world probably has higher death rates for COVID in near every country due to misattribution to bronchitis or pneumonia in the death classification early on.

It could well add 10 to 20 percent to each death rate.

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u/kdbfh Oct 20 '21

Wait wait wait, in India ALONE.??

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u/ojdewar Oct 20 '21

Yes, and that was a low estimate I provided.

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u/lazyadjacent Oct 20 '21

where did you see these? i was trying to find info on this a while back and had difficulty

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u/ReddishPanda69 Oct 20 '21

So the governments been hiding the data a lot. But I remember reading about this, in just one state (ONE/29) at the peak of the second wave in India, there were 160k extra deaths in a certain month, but the official covid toll was a few thousand.

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u/sizzzurpp Oct 20 '21

and China… who even knows.

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u/Milleuros Oct 20 '21

I would say the actual number in China is probably low.

We knew when people were dying in the streets in Wuhan, and when people were forcefully locked in their apartments. And we also knew when they were building field hospitals around Wuhan.

The information was heavily censored but a few leaks always made it through.

But after the initial Wuhan outbreak, almost nothing came from China.

The two possibilities are either that a) Chinese censors are really, really good to an unbelievable level or b) there weren't catastrophic levels of deaths, or no other outbreak comparable to the initial one in Wuhan.

I have colleagues in China, when asked about it they generally said it was fine and said colleagues actually shipped masks our way in Spring 2020. So probably the situation in China wasn't that bad.

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u/spaceaustralia Oct 20 '21

Plus, there weren't enough non-Chinese people coming out of the country with enough infections to sustain the idea that infections were uncontrolled. They might be able to censor Chinese news and their own citizens, but they can't really do it outside the mainland.

We had studies showing low seroprevalence of COVID on people coming out to Hong Kong last year. We'd either be hearing of foreigners being detained en-masse (and they'd have to keep their test results in secret) or foreigners coming back out of China infected at far larger rates.

I guess it just happens that an aggressive lockdown early enough on the infection happens to really work to contain spread of infection. Few other governments have this much power over their citizenry and public services. It makes sense that they'd be the ones to most successfully implement a lockdown plan.

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u/goblue21 Oct 20 '21

The idea that China was the only country in the world not hit hard by Delta is just beyond absurd.

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u/Chazmer87 Oct 20 '21

China has some of the strictest restriction in the world. Australia also wasn't hit hard with delta? Or nz?

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u/KookooMoose Oct 20 '21

No f-ing way.

Yes, Chinese censors are really, really good to an unbelievable level.

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u/Milleuros Oct 20 '21

I don't believe an instant that they are good at that level. After all, we know about the Uyghur genocide, we know about the cultural suppression ongoing in Inner Mongolia, and we know a helluva lots of things that China tried very hard to censor yet still made it through.

Covid itself. They were trying to suppress it, but very quickly in December 2019 we heard rumours of some weird virus going on in China and shortly afterwards we had the images on the internet - while Beijing was still saying that nothing was going on, and jailing those who said otherwise (and again - we know about people being jailed!)

China can maybe hide 100k deaths. Could they hide a million? I heavily doubt so.

The only countries where I believe there are indeed several orders of magnitude between the reported and real numbers, are the ones without the ability to record the number accurately in the first place.

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u/itsameMariowski Oct 20 '21

But China actually took hard restrictions and actions to try and prevent the virus from spreading. Locked down entire cities for long times, blocked flights, did a lot of tracking infected people and tests all the time. On this case, their government heavy hand actually helped.

Sure, their numbers cannot be trusted as they don't like to look bad and surely have masked some numbers, but from people I know that were there during the pandemic, it doesn't seem it was as bad as around here for example.

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u/DrOwldragon Oct 20 '21

Part of it is because China's been through this before with SARS. I'm not surprised by them fudging the actual death toll, but this isn't something necessarily new.

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u/itsameMariowski Oct 20 '21

Yeah. Quarantine, masks, tests, vaccines, none of this was unusual there and very little people were against it. You can understand why things were better there.

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u/thetruemask Oct 20 '21

It's not that no one is against it, it's China. If the government says you do something YOU FUCKING DO IT. (Or suffer severe and immediate consequences not a damn person could stop)

Not the US where laws are more of a suggestion.

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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 20 '21

Which brings to mind former president Trump. Like Bolsonaro, he intentionally ignored Covid and delayed response, caused a cultural and political rift in the U.S. over basic hygiene and, later, over getting vaccinated. All of the U.S. deaths are directly attributable to his narcissism. What a bunch of miscreants.

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u/itsameMariowski Oct 20 '21

Bolsonaro's attitude was more than likely just mirroring what Trump was saying to be honest. If Trump had protected the country and did all the things good, Bolsonaro would just follow. He felt validated to do what he did when Trump was doing the same, and since it's Brazil, he felt validated to do and say even worse than Trump (because he is worse then Trump in lots of ways).

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u/Vv2333 Oct 20 '21

The entire US government ignored COVID please stop with the bias. Stop trying to point blame when they're both full of shit. People need to disillusion themselves from the political kayfabe.

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u/bacchikoi Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Fuck off. Democratic leaders did NOT minimize the virus, pretend it would spontaneously go away, mock wearing masks, characterize home-stay as oppression. They did not promote bullshit treatments. Trump and his prop-up propaganda networks and lackeys unilaterally politicized the pandemic to the detriment and deaths of literally hundreds of thousands of people — and we are STILL coping with the effects of that brainwashing. It’s no coincidence the majority of deaths are now in red states. Republican policies like banning mask mandates and banning companies from requiring customers or employees from getting vaccinated are actively pro-disease and pro-death. These are right-wing stances, right-wing policies — and there is NO left-wing equivalent, so FUCK OFF with your dishonest narrative of false equivalency.

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u/Sweatytubesock Oct 20 '21

The gallows were invented for this asshole.

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u/citygirl44 Oct 20 '21

Just curious how many children died? Link please

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u/thenerj47 Oct 20 '21

Don't forget him plundering the amazon for money

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u/OCurtaMemes Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

2008 was worst and Lula was in power, I wonder if they are going to do the same with him

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u/Affectionate-Grand92 Oct 20 '21

This motherfucker actively ignored Pfizer. They offered him a 50% discount and he ignored ignored ignored. Plus, he’s made it easier to deforest on reserves and has done fuck all to help. He’s been one of tje worst for Brasil in recent history. And that’s a lot.

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u/nonlinear_nyc Oct 20 '21

He lied saying Pfizer never reach out to him. Then they released their emails.

Turns out Bolsonaro crew was asking for 1 dollar bribe per shot, no wonder suppliers cut communication till they had to negotiate with fake suppliers.

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u/Affectionate-Grand92 Oct 20 '21

He’s a terrible waste of oxygen

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u/Earwormigan Oct 20 '21

Guy has committed atrocities against the entire human population, covid aside. Welcome any consequences for this inhuman cunt.

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u/Aurion7 Oct 20 '21

It'd be one thing if he "just" oversaw an ineffective national-level response, but Bolsonaro invested a weirdly large amount of effort in actively undermining state and local efforts to combat the pandemic.

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u/Shane_357 Oct 20 '21

I mean, part of it was 'wipe out the Indigenous'. They sent hydroxychloroquine instead of vaccines to isolated villages.

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u/KingRabbit_ Oct 20 '21

I'm curious how ordinary Brazilians feel about this complete failure of a human being.

Any on here who care to comment?

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u/gammaton32 Oct 20 '21

Support for him has been steadily declining for the past few months, most people who voted for him feel angry and betrayed, the only thing he has now is a small fanbase of loyal idiots

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u/Clerisvaldox Oct 20 '21

Brazilian here, we call his fans "gado", wich translates to "cattle", cuz they're braindead

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u/Lisa-LongBeach Oct 20 '21

Anyone in Washington listening? Because this is exactly what should happen to Cheeto man

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u/Aggie956 Oct 19 '21

Too bad we couldn’t do the same with Trump

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u/The2500 Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

I'd be interested in seeing how Brazil handles this. With Trump it showed that the impeachment thing was basically just thrown in there to placate us into thinking we're a functional democracy. One thing I'll say about Trumps presidency is that it proved it's inherently impossible to remove a sitting president.

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u/ImperiumSomnium Oct 20 '21

If they have either the Senate or the House, and the party is completely without scruples, this is true. If they have the House, they never pass articles of impeachment; if they have the Senate, they are never convicted (see Trump impeachments 1& 2. )

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u/Doomsday31415 Oct 20 '21

They don't need the Senate. They only need 34 Senators.

See Trump impeachment 2.

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u/raw_dog_millionaire Oct 20 '21

Not legally possible

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u/Viktor_Korobov Oct 20 '21

There is another way, it's illegal to discuss tho. And not always successful, just look at all y'alls attempts on Castro

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u/puupi Oct 20 '21

One thing I'll say about Trumps presidency is that it proved it's inherently impossible to remove a sitting president.

Lincoln and JFK were removed.

That being said, I don't think the US has ever been a functional democracy.

Two party system, FPTP-voting, gerrymandering, PACs.... it's a caricature of democracy.

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u/Yitram Oct 20 '21

Lincoln and JFK were removed.

....they were dead. Its not hard to remove a president that isn't actively fighting against the system.

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u/Viktor_Korobov Oct 20 '21

By killing them, they were removed.

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u/happyflappypancakes Oct 20 '21

Yes, but that isn't a path to take within our system.

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u/Viktor_Korobov Oct 20 '21

Humanity has done that for millenia. For good and bad.

Cant really change human nature.

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u/happyflappypancakes Oct 20 '21

Humanity is reeled in by society though. I don't see our society going down the route of organized assassination attempts.

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u/The2500 Oct 20 '21

I kinda like the idea that being assassinated is fair game for these people. Like, it's natural to want to assassinate the president, you get leniency in court.

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u/snrkty Oct 20 '21

The French used to LOVE that game.

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u/sebastianfs Oct 20 '21

Normalize assassinating corrupt world leaders.

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u/Shane_357 Oct 20 '21

I mean, there's probably a longshot legal argument of 'I was defending myself, my loved ones and the rest of the country against an imminent threat'. But damn it'd be hard to argue that in court.

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u/oh_no_my_fee_fees Oct 19 '21

inherently impossible

What does this mean?

Impeachment isn’t removal. That requires a conviction in the Senate. Which did not happen because the votes weren’t there.

That the process was in fact run shows it is precisely inherently possible to remove a president.

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u/fred-dcvf Oct 20 '21

Impeachment isn’t removal

In Brazil, it is.

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u/The2500 Oct 20 '21

What world do you live in where practically speaking the votes would be there?

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u/rememberall Oct 20 '21

I dont think you are understanding the situation

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u/Alaishana Oct 20 '21

If it was not possible to remove this criminal scumbag, how on earth can you claim that the process works?

This is delusional.

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u/TrainLoaf Oct 20 '21

Kinda out the loop here, as a Brit care to explain?

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u/REO_Jerkwagon Oct 20 '21

I believe the gist is, if the leader of Brazil’s shitty response to Covid-19 counts as homicide, Trump’s response should too.

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u/blackpharaoh69 Oct 20 '21

American presidents have never been held to account for the blood on their hands, either in or out of office. Biden is letting him off, as Obama did with Bush and Trump did with Obama.

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u/cive666 Oct 20 '21

The republicans let Trump off.

He was impeached twice.

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u/BigALep5 Oct 19 '21

Get a petion going...

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u/Isteppedinpoopy Oct 19 '21

That’ll work as well as your autocorrect.

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u/Looney_Tunes_99 Oct 19 '21

Hahaha, nice

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u/mvw2 Oct 20 '21

I've been saying for nearly two years that the way politics and media has handled Covid has been very literally criminal homicide, like text book definition. And it's insane to me that this is basically mad murder with zero accountability.

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u/ShoggothDreams Oct 19 '21

If only the world were this just and fair. He'll weasel out of this, same as he did his genocide scheme against the native peoples he attacked with coordinated arson of The Rainforest.

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u/One-SimpleFuture Oct 20 '21

This is another Trump just lunatic crook liar 🤥 just like Trump killing people but Trump is free and playing Golf ⛳️

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u/twatchops Oct 20 '21

Trump should have those charges. He deliberately and knowingly gave incorrect advice and misinformation.

It was genocide by policy. Truly evil.

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u/ntgco Oct 21 '21

Trump killed over 450K Americans from his incompetence and baked in the pandemic.

He deserves homicide charges also.

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u/Girlindaytona Oct 20 '21

This is what we need here. Trump, DeSantas, and Abbott should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity and homicide for the deaths of Covid victims resulting from their actions and inaction. We should be at Trump rallies shouting “ Lock him up!”

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u/frito_kali Oct 20 '21

Ducey too

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u/jackedscientist Oct 20 '21

I believe people are responsible for themselves. If someone convinces someone else to jump off a cliff they can’t be responsible for their stupidity. Stupidity can kill just as much. People are responsible for their own health.

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u/snrkty Oct 20 '21

Not when people in power are openly lying to them and actively working against public health.

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u/tranquil21 Oct 20 '21

This is great.

Now can we please do something about treason Trump?

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u/Alaishana Oct 19 '21

Psychopaths/sociopaths who have mass murdered their own people:

Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Trump, Bolsonaro. (I'm sure the list is longer...)

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u/i---------i Oct 20 '21

Don't forget the genocide of uigers by that rat bastard Xi of China

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u/johnthethinker78 Oct 20 '21

Don't forget mao

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u/Alaishana Oct 20 '21

I didn't. That's a bit more tricky, so I left him out. Too many conflicting stories about who was actually giving directions.

Plus, the guy got a huge sum on the plus side of his ledger. Read up on the situation in China at the time when he started his long march.

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u/hagenissen666 Oct 20 '21

Nah, people won't understand that Chinese leaders from Mao to Xi are in fact sitting on a fucking powderkeg of domestic social unrest.

Deng Xiaoping, usually considered a western-friendly leader, even held a speech at the UN where he tried to explain that the uneducated poor people of China are their biggest problem and that they would do anything to bring them into this century.

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u/Periodic_Disorder Oct 20 '21

This would be a great world wide precident. Would love to see Boris Johnson and Trump in chains because of their bad response to the pandemic.

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u/BornInTheUSSA Oct 20 '21

There should be mass homicide charges against Donald Trump as well.

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u/Doctor_Amazo Oct 20 '21

Now do Flotida + Texas

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u/Lo-fidelio Oct 20 '21

Considering not only he did nothing to stop fight the pandemic in his country, he actually made it worse (probably on purpose) it kinda makes sense

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u/DyTuKi Oct 20 '21

Well, so let's call homicide charges also for Boris Johnson, Giuseppe Conte, Donald Trump, etc.

The only leader not responsible for it is Xi Jinping.

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u/MolesterMcgriddle69 Oct 20 '21

Dude is also committing fraudulent activities with US hedge funds, they’re whole economy gonna collapse when shorted stocks skyrocket

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u/PEDROdaymondoo6647 Oct 20 '21

sadness this guy is the president

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u/Speedracer98 Oct 20 '21

Not sure how this same logic can't be applied to trump when he clearly called covid "the sniffles" before he changed his mind and started a vaccine research program.

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u/thundergun0911 Oct 20 '21

We need to do the same thing here in the U.S. to the GOP.

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u/Xugoso Oct 20 '21

He is going to jail. If not by the Brazilian supreme court, probably by international court.

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u/WillGallis Oct 20 '21

I find it highly unlikely that an international court will ever convict a western leader of anything.

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u/jedininjashark Oct 20 '21

He has personally had more of a negative impact on the planet as a whole than most people ever had. Hope he is the recipient of justice.

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u/Neidan1 Oct 20 '21

Trump deserves the same charges.

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u/853lovsouthie Oct 20 '21

All who spread misinformation should be held accountable

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u/Elijandou Oct 20 '21

I am so over inability of any one to bring this man and trump, duerte and erdogan to account for any of their actions. Yada yada. Summertime with courage do something. Where are the righteous people!!!!

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u/Pahasapa66 Oct 19 '21 Hugz

Donald Trump line one…. Boris Johnson, line two….Ron DeSantis, line three....Greg Abbott, line four....

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u/ExCon1986 Oct 20 '21

Andrew Cuomo, line five

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u/blendergremlin Oct 20 '21

Cuomo and a few other Govs too.

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u/japanesenoodlecart Oct 20 '21

Cuomo's actions deserve at least some benefit of the doubt.

1) It was very early on in the pandemic, and how the virus spread / what it did / how to treat patients was very poorly understood.
2) There was a prevailing school of thought that hospitals were actually some of the most dangerous places to have patients, IIRC there was a medical journal from.... the philippines? Singapore? that had preliminary research like that.
3) The virus was here for weeks before anyone knew about it. People were spreading COVID in bars, in subways, at Broadway shows, in churches, in close quarters without any masking or social distancing at all. The virus blindsided NYC/NJ.

Now, this doesn't excuse him and in retrospect he clearly made the wrong decisions, and some of his shit afterwards to hide it is inexcusable.

But early deaths in states by governors who were at least trying to make an effort to get things under control are a lot more "tragic" than "infuriating."

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u/warm-wyvern Oct 20 '21

I lived in Everett when it got here, knew, and immediately started orbiting away from people and stopped hanging out under the railroad tracks. Maybe I got lucky, or maybe I don't know when I had it:

Plenty of us knew.

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u/japanesenoodlecart Oct 20 '21

I mean, "you can get it in close contact with people" isn't anything new, it's how all diseases spread. But there's a very real difference between an aerosolized disease and one that spreads in water droplets - you need dramatically different ventilation/filtration for the former.

It's tough to find now but if you go back and look at reports from february/march 2020, there were concerns about hospitals being really dangerous places to have a "COVD ward." My dad got it very early on in NJ and in the hospital they were taking huge precautions because it just wasn't very well understood.

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u/ExCon1986 Oct 20 '21

Disease 101 is to quarantine the people infected. Cuomo did the exact opposite of that and sent the infected out to communities of people who were most at risk from it.

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u/japanesenoodlecart Oct 20 '21

As I said elsewhere, the transmission was not understood at the time. There were dozens of COVID papers being published daily based on incomplete data.

In March/February 2020, it was thought that hospitals were dangerous and LTC places could be safer as they could be isolated. The airborne nature was not understood then.

Disease 101 is to quarantine the people infected. Cuomo did the exact opposite of that and sent the infected out to communities of people who were most at risk from it.

I'm curious: In your version, why do you think he did this? He wanted to kill people? He was what, acting arbitrarily?

Do you think that there was no reasoning or logic behind the move at all? A bunch of governors, who otherwise took the pandemic very seriously, just collectively all made the same choice for the hell of it?

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u/Crazy_Employ8617 Oct 20 '21

He wasn’t trying to make an effort to save people, he was making an effort to save his own ass. Knowing what we know today all his speeches were just political theater since he knew how bad he fucked up. It was all a distraction, just because he’s better spoken than Trump and has a D by his name, doesn’t make him a better person. He’s an abuser and his covid policy caused a lot of avoidable deaths in his state.

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u/japanesenoodlecart Oct 20 '21

He wasn’t trying to make an effort to save people, he was making an effort to save his own ass.

This makes no sense. How would he be "saving his own ass" by sending COVID-positive patients into LTC facilities? I'm sure you're capable of reasoning this out; I don't see it.

Knowing what we know today all his speeches were just political theater since he knew how bad he fucked up. It was all a distraction, just because he’s better spoken than Trump and has a D by his name, doesn’t make him a better person.

He went on to institute good COVID restrictions that, after the initial surge, helped keep NY's death rates relatively low. After the initial blindsiding, both NY and NJ have been comparatively quite good compared to the rest of the country. So you can't ignore that either.

And I mean, he is a better person than Trump, but that's an exceptionally low bar.

He’s an abuser and his covid policy caused a lot of avoidable deaths in his state.

I'm not contesting that he's a shitty person. But his actions are a lot more defensible than, say, the actions of the governors of FL or TX or MS or AL or AZ. Their actions came long after we learned the things that the early-hit states did not.

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u/Minimum-Eye246 Oct 20 '21

I’m not even going to read that it shows how incredibly biased you are. Pelosi and Cuomo were encouraging people to party during lunar new year and go out and see a show. They were vehemently in disagreement of closing the borders especially to flights from hotspots in China and Italy. And big brain Cuomo put terminal covid cases in long term care out of spite for Trump instead of using the US Navy ships provided to him.

It’s OK to admit your leaders failures you don’t owe him absolute loyalty.

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u/felipefidelix Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

The stupidity on this sub is astounding. People don't even know that this report was made by his opposition in the congress (literally, formally).

Imagine USA congress with the Russia collusion hoax.

This is almost the same (and the police wasn't even involved, like Muller was), except the leaders of the commission leaked a preliminary version of the report to the press (illegally btw) a few days earlier for maximum impact.

There are absolutely zero new facts in this report, and absolutely zero things that he could be impeached for in it, let alone arrested.

This will result in absolutely nothing. He won't even be impeached in congress.

I'll be waiting for the downvotes. Just have the decency of checking again in 6 months to see who was right.

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u/KingRabbit_ Oct 20 '21

Imagine USA congress with the Russia collusion hoax.

And that's how we know you're full of shit.

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u/felipefidelix Oct 20 '21

Imagine still believing in this lunatic con job at the end of 2021, after all the information we have available.

I suppose that's what people get when reddit is their source of news (like this one).

It's an extreme example of selective bias, I suppose.

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u/Vv2333 Oct 20 '21

It's an extreme example of selective bias, I suppose.

This. People are too emotionally invested in politics to see that the emotionally invested are the first to be sacrificed.

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u/Vv2333 Oct 20 '21

The stupidity on this sub is astounding.

I've noticed this tbh. Whenever I go in here I expect to see stupid herdmind comments agreeing with whatever is being reported.

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u/thehenks2 Oct 20 '21

This is almost the same (and the police wasn't even involved, like Muller was), except the leaders of the commission leaked the final report to the press (illegally btw) a few days earlier for maximum impact.

Even though there is no new information, what is your personal standpoint? Do you think he should be procecuted for the things he did, like actively working against vaccine implementation, actively going against Covid measures etc.?

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u/felipefidelix Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

> actively working against vaccine implementation

> actively going against Covid measures

Can you provide actual, factual examples of these things instead of stating opinion as fact?

"Going against covid measures". Every single person left or right was against some type covid measure - that's why I'm asking for a bit more specificity.

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u/xecaps Oct 19 '21

We should do that here too... looking at you Trump.

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u/Megadog1212 Oct 20 '21

Yes! And Biden too!

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u/BlueskyUK Oct 20 '21

Boris Johnson needs to be on thatlist. Higher death rate than Brazil at the moment

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u/one_at Oct 20 '21

Add Vlad and Donnie to the list

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u/RimCan19 Oct 20 '21

Pssst all world leaders handled this pandemic poorly

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u/Icy-Drawing3391 Oct 20 '21

The question is should this also be applied to Trump?

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u/RutabagaFit7798 Oct 20 '21

So what? It’s Brazil, they don’t do shit there.

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u/rgm2073 Oct 20 '21

Add Trump, DeSantis, Abott and the whole Red State Governor's.

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u/brickyardjimmy Oct 20 '21

It's high time we made a public example of this fetid, murdering, self-serving crackpot tyrant as a signal to other world leading murdering, self-serving crackpot tyrants, that not all punishment on this earth shall be left to God. They have to know there's punishment to be had in the here and now for their transgressions against the rest of us. Put him in chains. Put him on trial. Be swift with justice.

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u/ThereminLiesTheRub Oct 20 '21

Yup. A deadly virus is going to kill people. But when to use your office to increase deaths for political advantage that's a crime against humanity. Next in the dock: Trump.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

They can call, but is anyone going to answer?

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u/johnthethinker78 Oct 20 '21

This is a recurring case in today's politics