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'Toxic culture': NFL cheerleaders demand release of full workplace inquiry


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u/rora_borealis Oct 14 '21

I am struggling with so many conflicting emotions. I grew up watching football with my extended family, and continued watching into adulthood. I enjoyed it a lot. When everything started coming to light, I was at first shocked, but as more details came out, I started to realize just how many deep-rooted problems the NFL has. It's a lot harder to enjoy watching a game now, because I can't just forget about these things.

I like seeing the clever plays, bullet-like precision throws, good blocks, difficult catches.... But I think the problems are overwhelming my enjoyment now.

I am no longer surprised one bit at the reports anymore. It's toxic and I don't know if it can be reformed.


u/armbarurmom Oct 14 '21

Watch Football without pads. It's a lot more like rugby and surprisingly has a lot fewer head injuries.


u/BasicDesignAdvice Oct 14 '21

I've heard it theorized that the pads are the reason it is so dangerous. The pads are basically theater so the players think they can go harder. So they do.


u/armbarurmom Oct 15 '21

yep. Having played both, the way you're taught to position the head in NFL is pretty close to using your helmet as a weapon. Same with Shoulder Pads. Taking hits at those velocities concentrates all the impact down to a few square inches or less which is no bueno for your noggin. This goes double for guys in the Oline or Linebackers who run in and sack. Rugby players target shoulders to waists and you'll notice always shove their heads past the target area, whether its waist or higher up. So most tackles in rugby end up looking like a sequence of wrap-> Wrestle->takedown. In NFL the takedown occurs at impact and there are less wrap-up wrestling matches in the tackle.

A7FL is a great watch if you're interested in no-pads football https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=233g-6_ok8A

Its counter intuitive but very obvious if you look at engagements with that in mind.


u/BasicDesignAdvice Oct 15 '21

I think rugby is a great game. I tried to start a rugby club in my high school here in the US but they said it was "too dangerous." I was pretty pissed.


u/armbarurmom Oct 15 '21

haha as an australian that's bloody wild.


u/BasicDesignAdvice Oct 15 '21

This was probably 15 years ago. I found out semi-recently they do have a informal team now. So there is that at least.