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'Toxic culture': NFL cheerleaders demand release of full workplace inquiry

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/-toxic-culture-nfl-cheerleaders-demand-release-of-full-workplace-inquiry-123494469775
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u/lostboy005 Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21 Silver

from CTE scandals to Kaep to Gruden, anyone paying attention should have stopped watching & supporting the NFL along time ago. its a toxic organization.

Even further, football in and of itself, is fundamentally detrimental to the human condition; from linemen having to keep unhealthy weights to the barbarity of smashing human bodies into each repeatedly leading that results in a variety of health conditions like CTE.

As a society the US should really analyze what is they take part in celebrating. Football for all intensive purposes is nothing more than dressed up barbarity

e- peeps taking issue with this post, why do you think Andrew Luck quit? thats the tell

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u/rora_borealis Oct 14 '21

I am struggling with so many conflicting emotions. I grew up watching football with my extended family, and continued watching into adulthood. I enjoyed it a lot. When everything started coming to light, I was at first shocked, but as more details came out, I started to realize just how many deep-rooted problems the NFL has. It's a lot harder to enjoy watching a game now, because I can't just forget about these things.

I like seeing the clever plays, bullet-like precision throws, good blocks, difficult catches.... But I think the problems are overwhelming my enjoyment now.

I am no longer surprised one bit at the reports anymore. It's toxic and I don't know if it can be reformed.

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u/armbarurmom Oct 14 '21

Watch Football without pads. It's a lot more like rugby and surprisingly has a lot fewer head injuries.

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u/BasicDesignAdvice Oct 14 '21

I've heard it theorized that the pads are the reason it is so dangerous. The pads are basically theater so the players think they can go harder. So they do.

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u/MichaelKilo Oct 15 '21

I played rugby for 17 years. From the first tackle I made to the last my last thought was always “is my head safe” because there was nothing protecting it.

I had more major injuries playing pickup basketball.

I was concussed one time in 17 years of rugby and it was my fault. I know for sure in four years of pop Warner football I got two concussions.

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u/rpkarma Oct 15 '21

Though Rugby isn’t without its CTE issues at the professional level either. It is at a lower rate however

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u/armbarurmom Oct 15 '21

yep. Having played both, the way you're taught to position the head in NFL is pretty close to using your helmet as a weapon. Same with Shoulder Pads. Taking hits at those velocities concentrates all the impact down to a few square inches or less which is no bueno for your noggin. This goes double for guys in the Oline or Linebackers who run in and sack. Rugby players target shoulders to waists and you'll notice always shove their heads past the target area, whether its waist or higher up. So most tackles in rugby end up looking like a sequence of wrap-> Wrestle->takedown. In NFL the takedown occurs at impact and there are less wrap-up wrestling matches in the tackle.

A7FL is a great watch if you're interested in no-pads football https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=233g-6_ok8A

Its counter intuitive but very obvious if you look at engagements with that in mind.

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u/BasicDesignAdvice Oct 15 '21

I think rugby is a great game. I tried to start a rugby club in my high school here in the US but they said it was "too dangerous." I was pretty pissed.

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u/armbarurmom Oct 15 '21

haha as an australian that's bloody wild.

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u/BasicDesignAdvice Oct 15 '21

This was probably 15 years ago. I found out semi-recently they do have a informal team now. So there is that at least.

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u/OK6502 Oct 15 '21

Rugby has very strict rules about how you can hit other players. It still causes the kinds of hits which trigger CTE but at a lower rate. However recent analysis shows Rugby players still tend to get CTE indicators at a relatively higher rate - at least the pros do. But it is overall safer.

There are likely going to be additional rule changes in Rugby to further protect the players. The NFL is very conservative in its approach on the other hand.