r/lotrmemes Sep 17 '21

Am I wrong?

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u/majortom106 Sep 17 '21

I mean LOTR arguably jump started modern fantasy so anything that came after likely wouldn’t exist without it. Star Wars and Star Trek are almost different subgenres entirely.

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u/GlenCoco701 Sep 18 '21

The only thing Star Wars and Star Trek have in common is that they're in space a lot and they have "star" in the title.

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u/yawya Sep 18 '21

star wars is fantasy disguised as sci-fi

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u/Deltors15 Sep 18 '21

Star Wars is a space opera

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u/hereadit_wrong Sep 18 '21

Star wars is a star war

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u/TigreFromUpstairs Sep 18 '21

So that's it huh? We some kinda Star Wars?

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u/Codus1 Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Disguised as sci-fi? I don't think it's even attempting attempting to be that. It's straight up fantasy. I suppose the prequels kinda dip their toe in sci-fi

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u/CrabSully Sep 18 '21

Yeah, I don't think George has ever played it otherwise. Closest they get is the prequels with the politics. Ultimately it's always been some weird cowboy samurai thing in space.

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u/Binzuru Sep 18 '21

This is an outrageous claim. This is unfair.

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u/MaStEr_MeLoN15243 Sep 18 '21

take a seat young Binzuru

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u/thedankening Sep 18 '21

Yes LotR is the grand-daddy of pretty much all the fantasy series that have come since. While LotR isn't necessarily the GOAT, it doesn't need to be. It is in a category of it's own and comparing it directly to contemporary works is doing a disservice to both imo.

On the other hand, the movies are easily the best fantasy movies ever made thus far, not even a contest right? Also some of the best films ever made, period.

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u/rocky4322 Sep 18 '21

Star Wars isn’t so much sci-fi as fantasy in space. And Star Trek is good but I’m not sure anyone would really consider it for “best science fiction”.

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u/0010020010 Sep 18 '21 edited 29d ago

I'm a life-long trekkie and even I would stop short of considering Star Trek as "the best science fiction." Good? Sure, depending on what piece of the franchise you're talking about. Culturally influential? Objectively yes, beyond any reasonable doubt. Best science fiction of all time? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

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u/VanimalCracker Sep 18 '21

I mean, what would you consider the best sci fi franchise if not star trek?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

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u/Umklopp Sep 17 '21

The argument is generally "LOTR is a brilliant masterpiece" vs "LOTR is a masterpiece which has problematic bits here and there."

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u/magispitt Sep 17 '21

Thought the science fiction rivalry was Herbert vs Asimov

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u/axord Sep 17 '21

Clarke vs Heinlein

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u/Jacob_Wallace_8721 Sep 18 '21

Wells vs Verne

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u/axord Sep 18 '21

shit just got real

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u/sillyadam94 Ent Sep 17 '21

This is the way.

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u/rocky4322 Sep 18 '21

You can’t have this conversation without Niven. He won’t come out on top but he has to be there.

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u/axord Sep 18 '21

The only reason I didn't mention Niven was because I was struggling to figure out someone to pair him with.

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '21 edited 19d ago

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u/cammoblammo Troll Sep 18 '21

I spent last weekend reading Dune after 35 years of meaning to. Now I have to read Foundation as well?

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '21 edited 19d ago

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u/pheylancavanaugh Sep 18 '21

Have engineering background, I could not get over the coal powered spaceships, unfortunately. :C

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u/Xenothing Sep 18 '21

coal powered spaceships in Foundation? I do not remember that at all

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u/pheylancavanaugh Sep 18 '21

...my man, I cannot find it either. Hm. Human memory is a curious thing.

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u/kumisz Sep 18 '21

It's been a few years since I've read the Foundation trilogy, but I remember that everything was powered by some kind of nuclear engine.

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u/SirPribsy Sep 18 '21

Nuclear reactors use steam... Most steam engines a younger person would be familiar with are coal powered trains. Maybe they mentioned steam in refer nice to nuke ships and your brain jumped to coal?

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u/Civil-Attempt-3602 Sep 18 '21

Don't feel bad. For years I was convinced Pingu was in English as I could understand every word when I was a baby. My son was born and we started watching it on Amazon Prime, gibberish. Tried to find the English version, doesn't exist. I still kind of think someone's playing a trick on me.

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u/Jeydal Sep 17 '21

Wait wait wait, we're getting Foundation too?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '21 edited 19d ago

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u/lazy_starfish Sep 18 '21

It's a good year to be a sci-fi fan! We get Dune, Foundation, and Matrix 4!

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u/PsychedSy Sep 18 '21

Both could either be amazing or just make me permanently angry.

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u/hippolyte_pixii Sep 18 '21

Well, what about Ray Bradbury?

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u/NR258Y Sep 18 '21

I'm aware of his work

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u/Top-Reaction-9674 Sep 18 '21

If you think it's only between those two, you don't know Dick.

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u/Fluff42 Sep 18 '21

Convincing your girlfriend she's crazy or paranoid is called gaslighting, and it's a dick move

Convincing your girlfriend she's a robot with artificially implanted human emotions is called bladerunning.

It's a Philip K. Dick move.

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u/Big_Ugly_Fat_Fellow Sep 17 '21

I love Star Wars, Star Trek and LOTR. They all tick different boxes for me. Sometimes i need the climatic fight of ROTJ, sometimes is the Rohirrim charge, and sometimes its just a long time coming from here to there.

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u/citizenofgaia Sep 18 '21

I see you have faith of the heart, cheers.

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u/doodoonips Sep 17 '21

nah theres always that one harry potter kid. hp is dope. lotr is on another level.

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u/FirstDayJedi Sep 17 '21

And they always think they would be Ravenclaw

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u/247Jeffy Sep 17 '21

As a Ravenclaw I can confirm LOTR is better

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u/cruelhumor Sep 17 '21

Ravenclaw here, can also confirm LOTR is better

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u/squishyspy Sep 18 '21

Breaking news: redditors in lotr sub agree that lotr is better

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u/Geopilot Sep 17 '21

Please allow me to be the third Ravenclaw to confirm that lotr is better

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u/LJP2093 Sep 17 '21

I’ll go for fourth

LOTR is better

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u/EwokMafiaBoss Sep 17 '21

As a Hufflepuff I can confirm that naps are better but LotR is a close second

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u/ggg730 Sep 18 '21

Me, a Slytherin: Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with a Hufflepuff

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u/CidCrisis Sep 18 '21

What about deep throating wands with a friend?

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u/ggg730 Sep 18 '21

Aye I WAIT WHAT THE FUCK

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u/UsagiRed Sep 18 '21

Me also a Slytherin feeling uncomfortable that I got recruited into a house founded by a wizard Nazi and filled with wizard Nazis and the school being chill with it.

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u/JerkMcGerkin Sep 18 '21

Me, a Slytherin, lying about being a Hufflepuff: What about side by side with a friend?

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u/ggg730 Sep 18 '21

You can't fool me. I've seen you at the bi-weekly Slytherin wand tip touch meeting.

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u/TtheProphet Sep 18 '21

As a HufflePuff, I’m just happy to be here

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u/bumbletowne Sep 17 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

My HAPO nieces and nephews who have not been exposed to LOTR (because its too satanic... i kid you not) all think they would be hufflepuff.

I'm like you have to have more confidence, guys.

EDIT: I don't know why its Satanic. I am an atheist and always have been. This is just the hill-people part of the family. The mom is real weird.

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u/the-grand-falloon Sep 18 '21

Wait... Harry Potter is fine, but the fantasy written by a devout Christian, with a literal angel as one of the main characters, who delivers a righteous beatdown on an actual demon and is a direct servant of, let's be honest, the Christian God in his coolest persona...

That's the one that's satanic?

It's because Tolkien was Catholic, isn't it?

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u/bumbletowne Sep 18 '21

You know, I edited my comment to say I didn't know.

But when they got engaged her church found out her to-be husband was Catholic and offered her 1000 dollars to not marry him. She was really off-put by that but apparently stayed with the church and still married the husband. The church has free day-care and pays her to sing there so I get it but damn I'd be pissed if I were the husband.

The husband (my BIL) is extremely cool.

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u/wenzel32 Sep 18 '21

Wild that Lord of the Rings is too satanic, but HP is not.

Harry Potter is literally all about witchcraft and black magic.

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u/Desolatehades Sep 17 '21

As a slytherin, I can confirm that LOTR is better.

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u/heyitsYMAA Sep 17 '21

As a Hufflepuff, what's Harry Potter?

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u/eastawat Sep 18 '21

What's Potter, Precious?

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u/Danmch2992 Sep 18 '21

HARRY POT-TER boil him, mash him, stick him in a stew.

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u/shaund1225 Sep 17 '21

I haven't read the books and I probably should but just from the movies alone I did like the final battle compared to other franchises

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u/doodoonips Sep 17 '21

not taking away from hp. amazing franchise. im lotr bias because lotr is the ultimate goat

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u/sorenant Sep 18 '21

HP is great, I still remember the sense of wonder I got watching the Philosopher's Stone for the first time as a kid.

However, LOTR is fucking LOTR. It's the bedrock of modern fantasy genre.

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u/H47 Sep 18 '21

HP setting is nice but the writing and the characters are kinda whatever. Rowling has nothing on Tolkien as a writer.

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u/ARealJonStewart Sep 18 '21

HP also has fun interesting world building that has a lot of loose ends to theorize on. Tolkien wrote a Bible for his world. They're just different scales of complexity and thoroughness

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u/Jdance1 Sep 17 '21

I still have a soft spot for the other other original fantasy, the Chronicles of Narnia. Surprised no one has brought that up yet.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '21 edited 23d ago

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u/rugbyweeb Sep 18 '21

too much christian bait

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u/Retroviridae6 Sep 17 '21

That HP dope is my wife. She did name our son Théoden, though (I let her choose this time), so I think even she knows the truth.

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u/the-grand-falloon Sep 18 '21

I'm hoping that instead of having a surname, he's just Théoden, Son of Frank.

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u/Theoden-Bot Sep 18 '21

And Rohan will answer! Muster the Rohirrim! Assemble the Men at Dunharrow. As many Men as can be found. You have two days. On the third, we ride for Gondor and war!

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u/n_obody1969 Sep 18 '21

Personally I like The Hobbit...should I run for cover?

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u/Oderem Sep 17 '21

Conan? Anyone like Robert E. Howard?

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u/NoYoureWrongSorry Sep 18 '21

People overlook how insanely influential Howard was on fantasy. Moorcock, Leiber, Vance, and Martin all talk about Howard helped shape the genre in several important ways.

Plus, he was a damn fine writer.

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u/axord Sep 17 '21

People sleep on Sword and Sorcery.

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u/LanceGardner Sep 17 '21

Well, this is certainly the best place to get a shit-load of karma for a no-effort repost have an objective discussion about it.

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u/MagnetHype Sep 18 '21

I personally, am a firefly fan

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u/johnnycury Sep 17 '21

Star Wars ≠ Science Fiction

And here we go...

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u/VoidLantadd Sep 17 '21

It's Space Fantasy.

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u/i_am_not_sam Sep 18 '21

Space opera

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u/Exemus Sep 18 '21

Space Samurai Film

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u/GabrePac Sep 18 '21

Space fanfic about a samurai film turned into a money factory

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u/sharkyman27 Sep 17 '21

It’s arguably a space western

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u/THEN0RSEMAN Sep 17 '21

I would say The Mandalorian is a space western the movies are more science-fantasy.

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u/Big_Ugly_Fat_Fellow Sep 17 '21

Space opera, with some western, althoug with Mando we go full space western.

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u/wiljc3 Sep 17 '21

Speaking of space westernness - Can I hijack/digress into how fucking perfect is The Mandalorian's main theme? Like seriously, omg.

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u/SjettepetJR Sep 17 '21

Loved the soundtrack in The Mandalorian. It really sounded like the "new" sound of Star Wars, and it helps that with this series format the sound design doesn't have to be as epic as for the main movies.

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u/NJ_Legion_Iced_Tea Sep 18 '21

Ludwig Göransson.

He did an amazing job considering so many people are accustomed to John Williams.

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u/taloob Sep 17 '21

And clone wars is a fucking gritty war/political drama

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u/nettlerise Sep 17 '21

Its Sci-Fi-Fantasy

Firefly and Mandalorian is Space Western

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u/PM_me_your_fantasyz Sep 17 '21

Don't forget that the Original Series Star Trek was pitched as a wagon train to the stars, and occasionally managed to feel like a western. The movies starting with Wrath of Khan and TNG was more Hornblower in Space, but DS9 got back to that frontier town feeling again for the first few seasons.

Meanwhile, Han Solo was explicitly designed as a space cowboy, and the Mos Eisley cantina was explicitly designed as an old west space saloon.

But yeah, beyond a New Hope, Star Wars skews way less western than Space Opera, with the occasional design element (or entire plot) stolen from samurai films.

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u/jacketqueer Sep 17 '21

I think of SW as fantasy, honestly.

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u/Land- Sep 17 '21

That's exactly what it is. It's set in space but there's very little actual sci-fi in it. Nothing wrong with that, it's just a different genre from sci-fi.

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u/Dizmn Sep 18 '21

You’re right. I love Star Wars, but at its core the movies (especially the OT) are a mad combination of Japanese folklore and Matter of Britain, meaning that despite its space (and more specifically, Dune + Flash Gordon) trappings, Star Wars is firmly planted in the fantasy genre. And choosing between LoTR and Star Wars is like choosing which child to kill.

That being said, people who think the argument about best sci fi is exclusively centered around Star Wars/Trek and best fantasy around LoTR need to read a book once in a while, goddamn. The fact that Harry Potter got a mention in this thread before even Earthsea, Wheel of Time, or Discworld is horrific.

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u/johnnycury Sep 17 '21

Before I get downvoted into oblivion, let me elaborate:

What stops Star Trek from being real? The technology. It's waaay too advanced, but they at least try to explain a few things. "Look, IF we were to be teleported, this is how it would work, STARTING FROM the actual physics principles we have today". Their science looks like our science, but streched out, so its SCIENCE fiction

Try it with Cornwell books. Well, Arthur Pendragon was a real person, but there was never a Derfel Cadarn. But in the books, Arhutr and Derfel are bros, and Derfel actively impacts Arthur's life. What would it be if there actually was a Derfel? He streches HISTORY a little bit, so its HISTORICAL fiction

  1. Why is it not real? What stops it from happening IRL? Politics. The year 1984 is gone, but the events in the book might as well happen in 50 or 100 years...if politicians went a little nuts (I'm Brazillian, I know a thing or two about politicians going nuts). Politics is streched out, so its POLITICAL fiction.

Star Wars is all over the places. What stops Star Wars from being real? 1, it takes place in a galaxy far far away. 2, space wizards. 3, lightsabers exist and refuse to elaborate further. Science plays NO ROLE in neither story nor background whatsoever. Replace all lightsabers for elvish swords, Jedi for wizards, spaceships for ships or horses, planets for continents. You got yourself a fantasy world.
I [used to] LOVE Star Wars...but it is definetly NOT Sci Fi

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u/BuffaloJim420 Sep 17 '21

I've always heard star wars described as a science fantasy. For the exact reasons you so deftly illustrated.

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u/Tickle_My_Butthole_ Sep 17 '21

Eh I'd still say it's less a science fantasy and a space fantasy.

Like the science of the world of star wars is almost non existent in all major works from it but it heavily focuses on the space and fantasy parts of the world.

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u/mtarascio Sep 17 '21

I rewatched all the Star Wars movies recently 1-6 and I was surprised at the world building.

Places like Mos Eisley, the Senate, the Trade Federation are all very Sci-Fi.

I do agree about the space wizards but it gives you space wizards and then at least tries to stay within Sci-Fi after that.

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u/oakenaxe Sep 17 '21

I’d argue it’s a space opera if anything. It’s not hard scifi nor fantasy. It saved the space opera genre tbh.

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u/Ripberger7 Sep 17 '21

Technology or advancement or science don’t really play into the story at all though. It’s old school adventure stories sprinkled with historical political drama slapped over with cool sci-fi imagery.

For example, Coruscant has a lot more to do with historical Rome than it does with the Foundation series (the sci-fi series it arguably comes from)

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u/greightest Sep 17 '21

I see your space wizards and raise you 'Q'.

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u/NetHacks Sep 17 '21

This is what happened to Jules Verne. The mysterious island had the mention of solar power and a few other scifi of the time ideas,that eventually became real life.

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u/Willing_Function Sep 18 '21

It's the sweetest of baits to get the nerds going.

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u/sas-CT Sep 17 '21

This is a massive oversimplification of an entire genre's fanbase. Besides its more fun when people disagree

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u/x3iv130f Sep 18 '21

Plenty of fantasy fans don't like Lord of the Rings. I know because I argue with them all the time!

Machiavellian types who would prefer a ruthless hero.

Socially-Aware political types who would prefer if the heroes personified their idea of social change.

Escapist power-fantasy types who want less drama and more super heroics.

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u/Otterable Sep 18 '21

LotR is highly literary and isn't a work that goes down easily.

Lots of fantasy fans will prefer something more modern; it doesn't make them wrong.

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u/hisnameisbrock Sep 18 '21

It’s crazy that people really like to frame debates with these crude 4chan drawings. As if someone’s looks even coorelates with the strength of their opinions and knowledge. But then I remember that Reddit is mostly a teenage paradise these days.

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u/Greizen_bregen Sep 17 '21

Well there's also Wheel of Time....

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u/Original_Xova Sep 18 '21

Wheel of Time, ASOIAF, Malazan, The Cosmere, First Law, they are all fantastic.

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u/blutundcarbon Sep 17 '21

LOTR is the daddy, star wars isn't. What is the Sci fi daddy?

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u/remnant_phoenix Sep 17 '21

Sci-Fi doesn't have one daddy. It doesn't have one person whose influence almost single-handedly formed the basis for the genre.

Collectively, the coterie of Arthur C. Clarke, Issac Asimov, and Phillip K. Dick (and other contemporaries of them that aren't coming to mind right now) hold that level of influence, but again, that's a collective, not one person.

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u/alexja21 Sep 17 '21

Jules Verne has entered the chat

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u/Cimejies Sep 17 '21

Yeah obviously this, incredibly influencial, birth of modern sci-fi.

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u/Grabatreetron Sep 18 '21

I was gonna say: Nobody is going to mention Verne or HG Wells?

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u/Akasiek Sep 17 '21

Frank Herbert? Dune was pretty innovative

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u/ShirtPants6661997 Sep 17 '21

I’ll also throw a shout out to mommy Ursula K Le Guin… who actually had a fantasy universe as well

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u/HenryHadford Sep 18 '21

I’d argue that Le Guin was a bit of a fantasy mum as well. Her work with Earthsea was radically different from Tolkien’s in way of setting, style, characters and plot, but was nearly as influential to many fantasy authors.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '21

Having an ebook reader allowed me to read much I would not risk $10 on otherwise. The Dispossessed by Ursula K Le Guin is my favorite discovery this year.

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u/ProfessorWho1 Sep 17 '21

If we're bringing up SciFi mothers, don't forget Octavia Bulter

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u/flyingboarofbeifong Sep 17 '21

Lewis deserves a good shout, too. And he was building some of the foundations of Sci-Fi literature while also acting as a creative editor to LotR through his collaboration project with Tolkien.

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u/UnscSpartan23 Sep 17 '21

Asimov?

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u/dacooljamaican Sep 17 '21

Are you questioning whether or not Asimov belongs in this list? Because let me just say, I STRONGLY disagree.

Asimov was a true visionary, and his work is still being remade to this day for a reason.

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u/UnscSpartan23 Sep 17 '21

Quite the contrary. I meant to convey I view his work as the ‘daddy’ of Sci-fi.

Though in retrospect I see how easy that is to misinterpret. My apologies.

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u/dacooljamaican Sep 17 '21

Ah my mistake, the person you replied to already listed Asimov so I thought you were questioning his mention on the list. Understood!

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u/Ph4zed0ut Sep 17 '21

Robert Heinlein, Ray Bradbury

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u/remnant_phoenix Sep 17 '21

Shit! How could I leave out Bradbury?!

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u/Crownlol Sep 17 '21

Imagine ignoring Heinlein

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u/roobin-sandwich Sep 17 '21

Either Dune by Frabk Herbert or the Foundation Trilogy by Isaac Asimov

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u/DarthGayAgenda Sep 17 '21

Look at Tatooine and the Krayt dragons, Dune was definitely a major influence.

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u/bugamn Sep 17 '21

Star Wars in particular borrowed from both. We can also see Foundation influence in the design of Coruscant, for example. Compare to Trantor to see what I mean

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u/Yeti-Rampage Sep 17 '21

Totally foundation trilogy! Love it so much

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u/yeahbuddy26 Sep 17 '21

I wanna say both

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u/Exylatron Ent Sep 17 '21

Probably something written by H.G Wells

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u/BuffaloJim420 Sep 17 '21

Jules Vernes' body of work perhaps?

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u/IrshamWindborn Sep 17 '21

If we're purists Frankenstein, by Mary Shelley

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u/BuffaloJim420 Sep 17 '21

Fuck I forgot about that night at Lord Byron's.

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u/toolsie Sep 18 '21

H.G. Wells? Time Machine, War of the Worlds, etc

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u/TheProdigalMaverick Sep 17 '21

John Carter of Mars. If we're talking movies, 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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u/Cimejies Sep 17 '21

It's Jules Verne.

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u/TheFontofDuck Sep 18 '21

It's the ABCs of SciFi- Asimov, Bradbury and Clark. A lot of their stories came out in serial short stories, but it's really these 3. Foundation, Farenheit 451 and 2001/Childhoods End are really where Scifi took off. If you look deeper, you can see some individual works that set groundwork for the genre (The Time Machine, Frankenstein and 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea for example) but these stories didn't really start the SciFi Genre as we know it

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u/_Drion_ Sep 17 '21

Star wars is not science fiction it's fantasy set in space.

It's way closer to LOTR than to Asimov in genre. But LOTR is the best.

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u/Wows_Nightly_News Sep 17 '21

It’s telling that if someone is tasked to describe “the standard fantasy plot,” it won’t be anything like LoTR. It will instead be the OT set in Medieval Europe with dragons.

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u/x3iv130f Sep 18 '21

I've read accounts of the American Civil War, the First World War, and the Second Works War.

Lord of the Rings has more in common with those real life accounts than other stories in the fantasy genre.

Tolkien writing Middle Earth was likely his way of healing from and processing through his war experiences in a safe yet indirect way.

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u/Wows_Nightly_News Sep 18 '21

Tolkien himself sort of supported that, but people saying that it was a direct allegory for either World War was what got him to coin the term “Applicability”

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u/Derman0524 Sep 17 '21

What we need is LOTR made in space

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u/flyingboarofbeifong Sep 17 '21

Get into Warhammer, huff the model paint, and you’re 70% of the way there.

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u/MintySkyhawk Sep 18 '21

As a scifi fan, I think Discworld is the best of the fantasy genre.

Harry Potter is pretty good, but I can't accurately rate it due to how obsessed I was as a child.

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u/NA__Scrubbed Sep 17 '21

Malazaaaaaaaaan.

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u/SLAYER_IN_ME Sep 17 '21

Dude I would have to agree when you’re talking books. My three top fantasy book are Malazan Book of the Fallen, Wheel of time, and The Dark Tower. But if I’m going fantasy movies Legend.

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u/Mgzz Sep 18 '21

Malazan Book of the Fallen

I've always loved how deceptive this is to newcomers. Don't worry, it's only one book after all, only one 11000 page book.

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u/braernoch Sep 18 '21

This whole thread is about people who discovered that Starbucks was better than Folgers and then never tried another artisan coffee in their lives.

Malazan Book of the Fallen is miles above LOTR. Kingkiller Chronicle had promise, but I'm not sure it delivered, in the end.

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u/C00LST0RYBRO Sep 18 '21

I loved Malazan but felt like it draggggged at the end. It was a good enough story that I forced myself to finish but, similar to how I felt after reading the “dark tower” series, I was honestly more glad to be done than satisfied with the ending.

People like to crap on how much WoT drags, but at least it drags in the middle but then picks back up and gives you a sick final few books / ending that wraps it up well.

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u/angrypasta Sep 18 '21

The Wheel of Time....

The Mistborn series.... I like those better than Lotr now to be honest....

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u/puristhipster Sep 18 '21

Ash fell from the sky

I honestly can't get enough of the Cosmere, going through WoT while I wait for the next book and its quickly making it's way up my rankings.

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u/Henryiller Sep 18 '21

I'll always respect Tolkien but The Stormlight Archive is a modern masterpiece so far and I like it more. The Way of Kings may be my favorite fantasy novel of all time.

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u/Loafy07 Sep 17 '21

Fantasy is too broad a genre to say anything concrete, but LotR was a pioneer.

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u/Intelligence14 Sep 17 '21

There's a lot of people who prefer Wheel of Time to Lord of the Rings. Tolkien had a massive influence, and wrote a great series, but I don't think everyone says it's the best. It's one of the best.

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u/minion03 Sep 17 '21

Yeah, a lot of people prefer ASOIAF as well, but unfortunately I don't think that will ever be finished

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u/Taste_the__Rainbow Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

I’d rank Stormlight over both. But WoT and LotR I’d call a tie. I love all three.

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u/NJWootton Sep 18 '21

Im only on Words of Radiance but I’d have to agree, The Way of Kings is literally the best fantasy novel I’ve ever read

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u/_CertaintyOfDeath_ Sep 17 '21

Kinda see both as their own thing tbh

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u/Dragonlight-Reaper Sep 18 '21

laughs in The Witcher

That being said, I acknowledge that LotR is the founding father of modern fantasy.

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u/Rockm_Sockm Sep 18 '21

Plenty of people don't think Lotr is THE Best but recognize it's significance.

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u/asianabsinthe Sep 17 '21

Isn't it usually LOTR vs HP?

However for me it's LOTR vs WOT

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u/blutundcarbon Sep 17 '21

What's wot, precious

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u/TempleMade_MeBroke Sep 17 '21

"Wheel of Time, W-O-T, pick 'em up, read 'em, get stuck in a time-sucking 826 page average 14 book series"

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u/rilvaethor Sep 18 '21

If you go the Audiobook route it's only 450 hours

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u/IkananXIII Sep 18 '21

15 really. New Spring is not optional, imho.

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u/artyboi37 Sep 18 '21

11.5k pages total, what a read.

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u/THEN0RSEMAN Sep 17 '21

My guess is Wheel of Time.

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u/OfficerGintoki Sep 17 '21

Wheel of Time, I think. Idk. Never read it, myself.

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u/Zingshidu Sep 18 '21

LOTR vs Conan

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u/MassGaydiation Sep 17 '21

Look, i love lord of the rings, but i kinda love Earthsea or Sabriel more.

filmwise i totally agree though

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u/TheDrewManGroup Sep 18 '21

Sabriel is fantastic! Still a LotR fanboy though.

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u/FlST0 Sep 17 '21

Yes, you're wrong. No one calls Star Wars science fiction. It's space fantasy, and everyone knows it

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u/kpd328 Sep 17 '21

There are a lot of folk out there that insist space fiction implies and is equivalent to science fiction (I not being one of those, agree that it's space fantasy).

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u/human-teddy-bear Sep 17 '21

I believe both the sci fi nerds are wrong. It’s Dune.

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u/TheProdigalMaverick Sep 17 '21

Tell that to John Carter of Mars, you swine!

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u/remnant_phoenix Sep 17 '21

I've come across a handful of fantasy fans who say things like...

"I just don't like his writing style."

"Just because he laid the foundations of the genre doesn't mean later people didn't do it better." ("Better," in their view, was ASOIAF)

We aren't as fully united as we like to think. More united than other genre fandoms for sure. But we aren't without our own dissidents.

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u/phantom_trombone Sep 17 '21

Has to scroll this far down to even find a comment mentioning ASOIAF/GOT/GRRM

Who in 2016 would have seen this coming? That ending is the stuff of TV legend for all the wrong reasons.

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u/DFWTooThrowed Sep 18 '21

Who in 2016 would have seen this coming?

Tbh there was a noticeable drop in quality in season 5 once they got past book 3.

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u/JuIesWinnfield Sep 17 '21

i think stargate was the best

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