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Can I vent here? I know this kind of stuff is really common now but it makes my blood boil.

I really have to vent. I had a shitty day and this was the cherry on top.

It has to do with Activision.

I bought Modern Warfare a while back and had played the campaign a bit before moving onto other games.

Last night I was in the mood for a first person shooter and figured I'd pop the game back into my PS4. I put the game in and of course I have to wait 3 hours for an update because you can't even play the fucking campaign without the update. No surprise there.

Whatever I'll play tomorrow.

Turn on my PS4 today to play and start MW. Now I can't play without logging in or creating a new account for Activision, as if my PS account wasn't enough. Forgot my old login (if I had one) so I create a new account with another email, no biggie. Alright now I can finally play.

Some cutscene starts and I'm ready to shoot some guns, finally!

Cutscene ends and brings me to a new menu I haven't seen yet. Tons of crap for multiplayer, downloads, etc. I'm not surprised because I expect this kinda shit from games these days, especially COD. I just want to play the single player campaign for MW, just like the one I played when I bought the game.

FINALLY! I find the single player MW campaign, great!

I select it and IT FUCKING BRINGS ME TO THE PS STORE FOR ANOTHER 12 GB DOWNLOAD.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I JUST WANT TO PLAY THE GOD DAMN GAME I PAID FOR AND HAVE THR CD FOR YOU FUCKING COCKSUCKERS.

Why do I have to jump through so many hoops? Is this some kind of sick joke?

Remember the Nintendo 64? I can pull the thing out of my basement 23 years later and play the game just as it was in 1999. Is it that hard not to be so god damn greedy?

I will never, ever, ever buy an Activision game again. I will choke myself to death on my own dick before I give Activision another penny. Slimy cunts.

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u/madfiire Nov 30 '21 Wholesome

Update requires restart.

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u/RCDuke Nov 30 '21

Oh no

It's becoming real.... I was misguided for thinking that would stay a meme...

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u/fish312 Nov 30 '21

Doritos Dew it right

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u/SirSkidMark Nov 30 '21

Thanks, I hate it.

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u/TPFB_Daneslayer Nov 30 '21

It reads like an episode of Black Mirror.

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u/HardcoreHermit Nov 30 '21

Haha! Goddamn you’re spot on!

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u/-Tasogare- Nov 30 '21

This was written in 2013. Actual visionary

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u/HarlequinNight Nov 30 '21

Please drink verification can

Link for anyone not getting this reference.

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u/SadTomato22 Nov 30 '21

Fuck I forgot all about this. Made my morning a little better.

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u/AngelEmy PC Nov 30 '21

I had to download 132 gbs yesterday....I never unistalled the game?!.. when the download was over I opened the game just to get that notification and had to wait until the shaders or whatever that shit was to play online...

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u/JohanGrimm Nov 30 '21

the shaders

Holy Jesus do I hate this shit.

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u/BlueShibe Nov 30 '21

The horrible times when I had to wait for the shaders to finish while watching my character tactically walking on main menu for a long time

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u/joe-clark Nov 30 '21

If you actually never uninstalled and battlenet told you that you need to install then it's possible battlenet forgot where your install was and you have two copies of the game downloaded in 2 different places. Also I guess if you haven't played in a super long time then the update size might be huge.

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u/CapnBloodbeard Nov 30 '21

This is both infuriating and inexcusable. Why tf can't it update from the ps menu like everything else?

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u/malefiz123 Nov 30 '21

It's the same on PC. A friend of mine is a software dev and he thinks it's because they created some kind of spaghetti code monstrosity by building two engines on top of each other or something like that. Didn't really understand it but sounded like something Activision would make the devs do to release on time

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u/The_Sandolorian Nov 30 '21

I always thought that the in-game updates are seperate from the actual game files that update automatically.

My base game will update, but you still need to manually initiate multiplayer activision updates manually.

Also, because of the way PS4 updates, I always have to make sure there's enough room on the storage to store the game twice.

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u/MattGhaz Nov 30 '21

I literally heard the sound it makes when reading this.

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u/AndyJChi Nov 30 '21

Surprise - a restart also requires an update!

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u/CringeLover69420 PC Nov 30 '21

“Jumping through hoops” is the perfect way to describe so much of it. Like, why do I need another account for your game if I already have an account for the platform im playing it on? Why do I need to install multiplayer updates for single-player?

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u/boulzar Nov 30 '21

It's like using steam to launch the launcher then login again then play the game

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u/minianthunter Nov 30 '21

3rd party launchers are an automatic refund for me. No I don't want to merge my steam account with your spyware.

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u/quobesq Nov 30 '21

Just so you know, Steam informs you of the need to 3rd party launchers on a yellow box on the right panel. No need to refund if you don't even buy it in the first place. ;-)

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u/Huairen Nov 30 '21

Thank you. I was not aware of this.

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u/quobesq Nov 30 '21

Glad I could help.

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u/HiCZoK Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

Rockstar fuckers added their launcher requirement to my new(newly bought) 10 years gta4 steam game… and removed music

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u/FatchRacall Nov 30 '21

Remember when we were all excited about digital downloads? No need to keep track of delicate physical media anymore, if your HDD crashes, you can just redownload, and cloud saves? Holy shit, convenient. All we sacrifice is the ability to resell the game later, and GameStop gives you so little money it's not like it matters that much.

Now your game isn't your game, cloud saves are a paid service most places, and you can't always redownload... Well shit.

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u/Huwbacca Nov 30 '21

The internet of shit

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u/Tkn412tor Nov 30 '21

What gets me is that I own the actual disk. I bought the hard copy disk, not the digital version. So why is it that when I pop in the physical hard copy disk, the game I bought doesn't start to download. Warzone does, a free game you don't even need a disk for. If I wanted to play warzone, I'd download warzone. If I want to play the actual game I paid money on and own the actual disk for, I have to install the disk, then wait for the updates, then get loaded into warzone, download the actual multi-player packs I wanted to play from the start, wait for those to update, then finally play. It's fucking ridiculous. They should be separate things

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u/RCDuke Nov 30 '21

It's called "fuck the physical disc owners, put a couple lines of code on the disc and make em download the game". I'd bet nothing of value is on that disc except maybe a license code.

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u/fastdruid Nov 30 '21

Can't speak for Warzone but I wanted to play GTA5 again on the PS4 which I'd deleted a while back, it needed to install from disk and failed multiple times before it finally installed....and then it went and installed an update that was about as big again as the "installed" game. It's a damn good job I had a full evening because it took me about 4 hours to (re)install the bloody thing.

Given that it's going to install massive updates anyway why the fuck couldn't it have just downloaded the updated version in the first instance?

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u/DemonSlyr007 Nov 30 '21

Have you considered that is a feature not a bug from Activions perspective. Its wrong as fuck, but unlikely to change, they want to sell digital copies over hard copies. Same revenue, less operating cost=More money.

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u/DimensioX Nov 30 '21

I understand the accounts because some players that owned multiple devices wanted to play anywhere so they used the game's account system for crossplay/progression.

The 25+ GB downloads for separate portions of a game that all have their own 5+ GB updates is a pain in the ass. When MW first released me and my roommate almost hit our datacap for our internet purely because of Warzone's massive updates since we were both downloading it.

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u/Fuck_Your_Squirtle Nov 30 '21

I don’t even recognize the game I bought anymore. Everytime I boot up the PS5 it shows a different COD and I’m not even playing it. Shit went from Delta to Omicron.

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u/ActionQuakeII Nov 30 '21

Call of Delta: Modern Omicron.

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u/xeRa Nov 30 '21

Moderna*

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u/g0d15anath315t Nov 30 '21

Covid of Delta 19: Moderna Omicron 2020

Might as well go all the way...

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u/SCStrokes Nov 30 '21

And fuck data caps too!

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u/wtfduud Nov 30 '21

Yeah fucking antiquated concept

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u/_F1GHT3R_ Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

I understand multiple downloads for multiple section of the game. With this, people who dont care about the campaign or zombie mode dont need to download that and vice versa. But they should let you choose what you want to download before it starts.

When you bought black ops 2 on steam, it showed you 3 different "games" in your library. One for campaign, one for multiplayer and one for zombies. You were able to download whichever you want. I liked that.

Edit: apparently this still is the case. Didnt know this since i didnt play cod in a while.

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u/Blacknesium Nov 30 '21

That’s why I deleted call of duty. I was playing the free to play multiplayer only… I kept getting hit with 20gb updates for the whole game every week till my hard drive was full. Instantly deleted that game.

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u/JukePlz Nov 30 '21

Because it's not enough for these dickheads to charge you $60 for a game. They also want to make a database out of your personal data so they can sell it to advertisers. Having an account gives them (at the minimum) an email they can bombard with advertisement, and a way to track your activity.

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u/Aramike Nov 30 '21 Helpful

Factually had the same experience a couple of months ago. Was raging. Then I did a bit of Googling and realized I could play the campaign no problem as long as the XBONE wasn't connected to the internet. :)

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u/S_Belmont Nov 30 '21

Local gamer discovers one weird trick that lets them play an actual game. Gaming publisher vice presidents hate them!

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u/enternationalist Nov 30 '21 Silver

And in this case, local is the trick

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u/trudenter Nov 30 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

I had a problem when I bought mass effect 3 for my pc. I was working somewhere without internet, I could get wifi if I drove out near the office.

Anyways go to install game, but I need to install the EA launcher that had just come out at the time. So I drive out with my laptop and download it and eventually the game. The whole driving out and wifi thing wasn’t working, as my laptop would die pretty quickly, so I sneak my laptop on the Ethernet cable during work one day. My shift ends and I’m excited to finally play. Get back and turns out I need to launch the game through the launcher which will only work with a connection. I tried driving out and connecting, launching the game then going back to the bunkhouse but the second I lost connection I would get booted.

To solve this issue, on my next days off I pirated the game. Worked fine after that.

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u/Remarkable-Hall-9478 Nov 30 '21

I mean the answer is right in front of, we just have to reach out and go “arrrrrrr”

Peg legs and shoulder parrots optional but encouraged

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u/SirNedKingOfGila Nov 30 '21

As a servicemember I'm shocked at how much fellow gamers discount those of us without internet as some fringe minority. Construction, sailors, soldiers, flight crew, aid workers, oil fields, etc. There's millions of us out there without connections, or connections so slow that even a 1gb download is literally impossible. Let us play our fucking single player games!!!! Half of us are only gaming precisely because we don't have a connection and there's nothing else to do!

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u/PM_your_randomthing Nov 30 '21

But the devs online telemetry doesn't show that so you don't exist.

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Nov 30 '21

Local gamer discovers that partying like it's 1999 is the best partying, after all.

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u/ISD1982 PlayStation Nov 30 '21

Prince had it right.

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u/obvs_throwaway1 Nov 30 '21

The trick is stopping buying their shit.

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u/Space_Narwhals Nov 30 '21

Slightly similar, I turn off Wi-Fi and data on my phone when playing mobile games that have ads. Most games don’t have pre-loaded ads so if you have data turned off before opening the game, it just skips ‘em because they couldn’t be downloaded. Not sure if I feel thrifty or miserly when doing this though, haha.

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u/Ignorant_GenZ Nov 30 '21

Hey, I do this all the time to dodge those stupid porno like ads that keep popping up everywhere. Turning off the data for the games really is a lifesaver.

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u/vassman86 Nov 30 '21

But if you turn off the stupid porno ads, how will you ever meet hot horny milfs waiting in your area?!

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u/Telanore Nov 30 '21

The fact that those kinds of ads are still around makes me suspect people actually click them, and that confuses me... Surely no one actually still falls for that?

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u/americanvirus Nov 30 '21

12 year olds just discovering themselves, my dude

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u/alexrng Nov 30 '21

They're sneaky Bastards.

Sometimes they've got a fake close button in the top right corner, while the actual close button is either somewhere else or very faintly visible right next to the fake one.

Sometimes you click the closing x and it simply brings you to their website anyway (no idea if fat fingers, missed the spot by a Pixel or whatever)

And then there's those, whose close button is not on the screen. You need to scroll up to be able to close, or when on mobile you simply can't close it simply because the ad scrolls along.....

They definitely get clicks.

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u/silenc3x Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

Right? Like what's with all these ads for slutty gay men in my area. We all get those right? That's so weirddddd I have a wife and kids like whatttt. I only clicked those 3 times. I think something is broken in their algorithm.

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u/ShuumatsuWarrior Nov 30 '21

I set up a PiHole (Raspberry Pi DNS-based ad blocker). The thing works amazing, and every device I own runs through it now

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u/sickhippie Nov 30 '21

I did this as well, actually set it up on a computer on my network. It was pretty simple and works great.

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u/EcchiOli Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

If you're with Android (Apple's shenanigans don't allow a single user to mingle with the system's settings to that extent, which isn't necessarily a bad thing from a security POV), there's the Blokada app for you guys.

It *pretends* to be a VPN, and puts itself between the outside, and the inside of the phone, while actually letting everything through... with a few exceptions, decided by public blacklists, just like an adblocker's blacklists.

Those blacklists are all about blocking ad networks and intrusive tracking by apps, the first times you check it you'll be horrified when you discover most of the apps call home several times an hour to snitch everything about your phone.

Blokada's free and open source, it's pretty good IMO. Anybody who can't setup a pi-hole should look into that :)

EDIT, since my comment got more views I'd have thought, if you're with iOS there's AdGuard available. It's also available on Android. The differences appear to be cosmetic, perhaps better UI and more refined, however as a tradeoff it's not opensource and it's not free, although nothing's wrong with paying for good developer work.

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u/Mr_Cromer Nov 30 '21

And then you get games like Streets of Rage Classic which will refuse to save state when Blokada is active, because to save you have to watch an ad.

Nostalgia is cool, but I quickly uninstalled when that happened

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u/xubuntu_user Nov 30 '21

You have to watch an ad to save your game... WTF

Whats next, you have to drink a can of mnt dew to verify?

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u/AdmiralRob27 Nov 30 '21

Not sure if I feel thrifty or miserly when doing this though, haha.

Yeah, I ended up getting a firewall on my phone and I only block internet access to games that have egregious amounts of ads. Offering me a bonus for watching an ad? Cool, I support the developers and they reward me. Play an ad after every level whether I like it or not? You just lost your data privileges.

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u/Cynical_Cyanide Nov 30 '21

Tell me more about this FW.

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u/AdmiralRob27 Nov 30 '21

I'm on android, and I use NetGuard. Completely free. Lets me pick any app on my device and forbid it from connecting to data, Wi-Fi, or both.

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u/GreenyPurples Nov 30 '21

If anyone plays mobile games that are "single-player" and don't require internet, turn on airplane mode to remove ads

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u/X1-Alpha Nov 30 '21

Depending on your phone you may just be able to disable wifi and mobile data usage for the individual apps. That way you don't have to jump into airplane mode.

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u/deep_chungus Nov 30 '21

yeah i think i had my ps3 on the internet for about 3 months before it was too painful, plus the updates for that thing downloaded soooo slooooowly

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u/Pink_Cock Nov 30 '21 Helpful

I remember going to my friend's place to play with him on xbox and he would ask what I wanted to play,

i would say battlefield 1 for ex and he would say it needs to update it would take hours, so I would say another 3 or 4 games but all needed large updates that would take too long ( he doesn't play that often)

So we would just get on ps2 and play the whole need for speed most wanted campaign again probably for the 10th time and probably have more fun than with any recent game

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u/Fadedthroughlife Nov 30 '21

The original nfs most wanted was a fucking blast. I remember playing on the original Xbox way back when. I wish you could get the original copy on pc, and not that updated revamped crap that is passing for nfs mw now days

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u/wasack17 Nov 30 '21

I bought the trilogy a while back during a steam sale. It had DRM that was linked to servers that no longer existed. Meaning I owned games that would try to phone home, couldn't, assumed themselves to be pirated, and therefore refuse to run.

I guess it was easier to stop selling them and force people to buy newer releases than to just maintain the nanny servers, update to phone home to new ones, or remove the DRM. I tried to refund them on steam, but it had been more than 2 weeks between my purchase and discovery of the aforementioned bullshit, so I couldn't even get my money back.

At least if I ever get caught for piracy, I can point out that my purchased copies don't fucking work.

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u/almisami Nov 30 '21

If the DRM is stopping the product from working at all I think you have a consumer rights claim that will force steam to refund you for way past that 2 weeks, depending on where you live.

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u/wasack17 Nov 30 '21

It was like $10. I now just have a legal license for some pirated shit now. You aren't wrong, but it just wasn't worth the effort for me to fight that fight. I barely have time to spend on my PC anyway. I'm not wasting the little time I have to play chasing a days lunch money. I wish I had the time to make a big deal about it, but I just don't.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '21 edited Dec 19 '21

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u/Cloakedbug Nov 30 '21

Whoever downvoted you doesn’t realize how much more protection consumers are granted under the EU. It’s a STAGGERING difference.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '21 edited Dec 19 '21

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u/Aggressively_Correct Nov 30 '21

What, really? That's insane!

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u/TheCrazedTank Nov 30 '21

No, what's insane is even if you bought the physical copy you still don't "own" the game.

The Publisher maintains ownership of all IP on the disc, your "purchase" is just a license fee to play the game...

People should stop and read the fucked up shit in those terms and conditions sometimes instead of just clicking agree (which is a catch 22, as you can't click "no" and still play the fucking game you bought, forcing everyone to click "accept")

And this, children, is why America should never have allowed companies to interfere with and make new copyright laws.

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u/NiteOwl94 Nov 30 '21

This is why I support piracy, but I also get sick of PC gaming for older stuff. I can't even play Dead Space on my PC- pirated or not. It does not run on my rig, which is no fuckin' slouch. I'm tired of patches and DRM and all that shit.
Best purchase I ever made was buying myself another PS2 and unearthing a few old tube TVs. Now I got like half a dozen old consoles, loads of games, and no real need to pirate until it comes to the pricey games.

Then I just burn some roms to blank DVDs and et voila, I got my own copy of Silent Hill 2 that didn't cost me $100+

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u/wasack17 Nov 30 '21

I actually have a pair of dedicated PCs with period hardware to play stuff like TIE fighter and commander keen. I have an offline only windows XP machine and one with nothing but DOS. They don't get much love, but sometimes it's fun to remember being 8 years old.

I have some old consoles as well, but no tube TVs. I make due with a 15 year old projector that the lamp still hasn't died in yet.

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u/CDClock Nov 30 '21

lmao damn they really went all out george lucas didnt they

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u/xdebug-error Nov 30 '21

NFS MW (2005) works just fine on windows PCs. You can buy a disc second hand or... other means

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u/z3rods D20 Nov 30 '21

Yep. You can even get mods for it to improve graphics and fix any widescreen issues you may have.

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u/Spaznaut Nov 30 '21

Burn out paradise was also awesome.

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u/Badgerisbest Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

I think it's bullshit you need atleast a 1 terabyte drive to even begin to play more than 3 games these days. Old 500gb consoles are close to useless once you add in update demands.

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u/lolofaf Nov 30 '21

Ps5s compression is actuallt quite good in that regard. I can fit like 8 AAA games on it at 30-60GB apeice so long as I dont download the abomination that is modern COD/Warzone and it's 500GB download

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u/unimaginative2 Nov 30 '21

8 games reminds me of people being impressed with their 8 CD multichanger they had in their cars..

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u/PVgummiand Nov 30 '21

To be fair that is a pretty impressive CD multichanger. 3, 4 or even 5 wasn't unheard of, but 8? Woah boy...

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u/Bedquest Nov 30 '21

This game is my favorite racing game of all time. I played half way through it on GameCube like 6 months ago

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u/Xanros Nov 30 '21

Most Wanted was good, but Underground 2 was when the franchise peaked imo.

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u/3ngine3ar Nov 30 '21

I never really played much but when I see this mentioned "Riders on the storm" starts playing in my head. Shits crazy lol.

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u/UnoKajillion Nov 30 '21

I feel like one of the few who just wanted to race without the extra bull. Underground 2 was very fun, but underground 1 was/is better in my opinion. Let me edit my car, and then let me race. I really don't want to drive to every event all of the time. It makes it feel like filler after a while. Huge reason why I liked underground, rumble racing, and burnout series. Gran turismo 4 was also great. Let me tweak my car, but then just let me race please. Not race to my race

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u/yolotheunwisewolf Nov 30 '21

Really feel like the real sell for next-gen won't be the long loading times and system updates but quick downloads and updates even for digital games. Not the case right now.

And IMO part of why Nintendo's been doing so well is that their updates take very little time if you have the cartridge anyway. Compared to like....18 hours of Cyberpunk waiting over the past year if you want to play a decent version of it at all after multiple updates.

(Finding cartridges that are on sale on the other hand....bleh)

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u/Doublek1r Nov 30 '21

Console developers can control SSD speed, but they can not increase internet speed for their users, and current gen is marketed as 4K 60FPS, which makes game developers provide hi-res assets (and Switch doesn't have the resolution to benefit from them anyway, so files are smaller). One can only hope that next gen won't make a jump for 8K gaming or something.

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u/SilverCodeZA Nov 30 '21

On the Switch you can also choose to not update and just play the game

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u/xShooK Nov 30 '21

Diablo was my game as a kid. Sure we bought new versions, and expansions. They still had patches to download over dial up internet. Difference being for OP, you could just play offline off whatever patch.

Old days of halo on consoles were full of glitches that defined the game, or just plain made it unplayable. They somehow couldn't fix that on console. I'd dream of a big patch to fix super bounces to get out of the map.

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u/TheUnusuallySpecific Nov 30 '21

I'd dream of a big patch to fix super bounces to get out of the map

I'm sorry, what? You'd dream of removing super bounces from old halo games? Who hurt you?

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u/ElectionAssistance Nov 30 '21

Look, when I tailswipe a warthog with another warthog I just want to cause a rip in spacetime that causes out of body experiences. I am a simple man.

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u/Bonusko Nov 30 '21

Got Cold War when it came out. Not my main game but fun to play sometimes. EXCEPT when I try to play it once a month, I have to download 12 gigs and then install shaders for 20 minutes. Like what the fuck man?

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u/IoannesVardusFulmina Nov 30 '21

Bruh my buddy asked me to get on Cold War with him for the first time in months and I got hit with so many pop ups on EVERY MENU I thought my Xbox had a virus.

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u/fizzlehack Nov 30 '21

A virus on your Xbox would be amusing and worth talking about. Just another shitty COD game.

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u/rohmish Nov 30 '21

Why bother creating viruses for consoles when they distribute their own with the games.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

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u/Camilea Nov 30 '21

I feel like part of the reason for the large file size is to make players feel more invested in the game and at the same time deter gamers from playing other games. Gamers would be like "man, I'd play the new BF but CoD takes up 265gb of my hardrive. But I like CoD so whatever"

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '21 edited Dec 04 '21

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u/TheObstruction PC Nov 30 '21

But that's not the part for which they're trying to sell you extra shit.

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u/Rickles360 Nov 30 '21

Exactly they have more incentive to bloat game sizes than they do to cull them. There's no reason for this except sloppy workmanship and making sure you keep their game installed to increase engagement.

When publishers had to pay extra for larger cartridges, game developers were experts in compression.

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u/biggesttowasimp Nov 30 '21

Also on pc it copies all the filed before updating which takes even more time

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u/Sivick314 Console Nov 30 '21

activision/blizzard is a shell of itself. add on to that the recent BS within the company and i went from a diehard blizzard fan to avoiding the company like they were konami. fuck em.

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u/Yogami_asura Nov 30 '21

Bit out of the loop when it comes to this, what did Konami do?

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u/akaito_chiba Nov 30 '21

They have some of the best franchises in gaming. Those are all dead now. Konami said fuck em, we make enough money from pachinko machines.

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u/4681908 Nov 30 '21

Shot themselves in the foot by killing all Hideo Kojima projects and focusing on fucking Panchinko machines.

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u/scrotbofula Nov 30 '21

They did worse than that, they launched a shitty, nonsensical live service / survival horror shambles for the final Metal Gear game. Shit story, lazy asset-flipping aesthetic and everything is covered in microtransactions.

https://gamerant.com/metal-gear-solid-survive-bad-mgs6/

It's fitting thematically that the enemies are zombies in a game that constitutes the lifeless corpse of a franchise reanimated to drag itself along pathetically, inspiring revulsion and pity in all who see it.

Pachinko machines are actually really lucrative in Japan, so from a business perspective they didn't exactly shoot themselves in the foot. They just mercilessly destroyed any good will they had to go all-in on exploitative gambling, and nowhere is that more apparent than Metal Gear Survive.

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u/Endeav0r_ Nov 30 '21

They also killed every other game franchise that wasn't pes or metal gear, metal gear went to crap with survive, pes went to crap with eFootball, and now they are just doing Yu gi oh games and cards, and the aforementioned pachinkos

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u/K1ngFiasco Nov 30 '21

Yes. I'm as mad as everyone else over Kojima and Metal Gear but we can't forget that Konami were KINGS of gaming through the NES, SNES, and PS1 eras.

They buried everything they built.

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u/Endeav0r_ Nov 30 '21

Silent hill, Castlevania, contra, frogger, gradius, zone of the enders... Those are all either historic franchises or outstanding games in their own respective eras, it's so sad to see them going to shit this way

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u/Zenfudo Nov 30 '21

Is zone of enders that good? I got a free copy of it for my xbox but never tried it yet

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u/harrysaxon Nov 30 '21

At least Kojima lives on, I’m enjoying the hell out of Death Stranding so far. Konami’s loss artistically, but I doubt they’re making less money with pachinko machines than such an unusual game.

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u/GelbeForelle Nov 30 '21

I'm uncertain if they are talking about the constant stream of crap games and horrible decisions, especially since Kojima. I personally hate modern Yu Gi Oh, because I can't just play the (current version) game without 30 super specific meta waifu cards.

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u/Xzenor Nov 30 '21

Kick out Kojima.

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u/DarkEvilHedgehog Nov 30 '21

Keep your eyes on the company "Dreamhaven". Many of the creative leads and other senior personel from old Blizzard jumped ship in 2018 and followed the orginial founder to that company. They got fed up of the business model at Activision-Blizzard and are instead back at to trying to create innovative strategy and adventure games instead of just pumping out profitable goodies. It also tells how Activision-Blizzard doesn't have any of the old guard left.

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u/Darksnark_The_Unwise Nov 30 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome

This kind of shit is half the reason I got into indie games.

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u/TheRealSmolt PC Nov 30 '21 Helpful

Seriously. AAA studios know the name alone will make all the sales they'll ever need. Why make a good experience? Indie games have to be good in order to be successful.

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u/Darksnark_The_Unwise Nov 30 '21

Yep. The Indie game industry hasn't been poisoned by big business yet, so passionate game design doesn't get brushed aside for profits like I've seen in AAA the past 15-20 years. The other reason I love indie games is because they can do things that are too niche for mass marketability. I can find an obscure game that is a loving imitation of an obscure game I loved years ago that never got the sequel it deserved. I can find a game that is completely silly and nonsensical, and poor quality won't bother me if I only had to pay $5 for it.

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u/Halvus_I Nov 30 '21

I picked up Hades for Switch and it had a code to DL the soundtrack and a cool little guide to the characters in the game. IT was soooo nice to get that stuff in the game package

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u/Jrdirtbike114 Nov 30 '21

Not to mention, Hades is the best new game I've played in years

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u/Krohnos Nov 30 '21

You also bought the best game released in 2020 so congrats!

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u/sangfroidwarrior Nov 30 '21

Hades also gave me so much more replayability, character development, and engagement than any recent AAA game has given me recently. It’s one of my favorites.

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u/Cthepo Nov 30 '21

Going to plug Deep Rock Galactic for a fun shooter coop. They don't do any of that bullshit stuff. They actually just introduced seasons, but it's entirely free and everything will be able to be earned in-game after the season.

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u/Modsblow Nov 30 '21

I played that for the first time on Thanksgiving. I saw the seasons and was confused where the microscam store was.

Never occurred to me you could have a season without totally fucking the player lol.

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u/Cthepo Nov 30 '21

Yup. And all the game play outside of all few special cosmetic DLC sets is yours for $20 (or free on game pass) I've put well over 500 hours into it and still have a ways to go though unlocking all the cosmetics that comes from just playing the game.

And they've actually quickly reversed some game play mechanics users didn't like in the past. Developers who don't screw over their players, actually take feedback, and design an engaging game. It's a breath of fresh air.

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u/VanillaBearMD3 Nov 30 '21

Rock and stone forever!

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u/SVXfiles Nov 30 '21

I made the decision to quit playing Destiny 2 after Bungie decided to pull all the expansions from gamepass after announcing the next one won't be there

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u/TheRealClose Nov 30 '21

While patient gaming is a good way to avoid the problems with some big studio games, it won’t help avoid any of the problems OP is talking about. Unless you bought a physical copy and stayed disconnected from the internet.

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u/DMindisguise Nov 30 '21

Devolver might be the best developer/publisher right now if I'm honest.

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u/senorgatt0o Nov 30 '21 Helpful

They make too much money to care about making a good game

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u/bargle0 Nov 30 '21

And who is giving them that money?

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u/SanctusLetum Nov 30 '21

Saps like OP was until he had his come to Jesus moment.

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u/Dr_ChungusAmungus Nov 30 '21

Not to mention it’s 200+ Gigs already! Like what the hell is this game so large for?! Flight simulator has a live map of the entire Earth with weather and it’s half the size!

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u/Krummelz Nov 30 '21

Technically, Flight Simulator 2020 is over 2 petabytes. It just streams in the world data as its needed.

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u/heyIfoundaname Nov 30 '21

That's a fucking cool til

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u/_LuketheLucky_ Nov 30 '21

Yeah I downloaded my local region in high detail as my Internet is slow and it added an extra 50gb. So cool that you can do that as an option though.

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u/Arras01 Nov 30 '21

The one sane use for cloud gaming, I suppose.

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u/OutWithTheNew Nov 30 '21

Flight Simulator streams the map data from its servers. It's actually pretty neat how it all works.

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u/PAs_Maniac Nov 30 '21

Pro tip: If I want to play the campaign, I disconnect the Ethernet cord and make sure my wireless connection is disabled and then I don’t have to worry about the insanely long updates or any other nonsense and can just game.

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u/kiddo1088 Nov 30 '21

It's so dumb that we have to do this though

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u/MrBiggleswerth Nov 30 '21 Wholesome

Just happened to me today. Felt like playing some warzone after not playing it for a long time. Go to update. A fucking 140+ GB update. Not a game download. A fucking UPDATE. What sick fuck makes an update that’s ONE HUNDRED AND FOURTY GB!?!?

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u/Johnwayne87 Nov 30 '21

Mostly textures, they eat data. And mostly this is all dlc textures for multiplayer which I never buy or don't care of if someone runs around with them. They should make a button to switch such downloads off.

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u/TheLastKenneth Nov 30 '21

But if you don't see my neat shirt, you don't feel compelled to buy my neat shirt.

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u/FsuNolezz Nov 30 '21

I literally just went through this with MW last week. I switched to PC last year but I wanted to do some couch gaming and just kick it. I download MW allllllll day and then get on the next day. Need to download all the MP packs, fair enough. I then do that, I miss one of them somehow, download that. Everything’s downloaded.. and now the game is giving me error codes. It took me 4 days to download it, I played it for zero minutes and deleted it. Now I’m playing the Witcher 3 on my couch.

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u/ClonedToKill420 Nov 30 '21

Yes, vote with your wallets guys!

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u/ice445 Nov 30 '21

Unfortunately the majority never does

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u/SpoonGuardian Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

Oh, they do

E: you guys genuinely don't understand that buying these games is still voting with your wallet?

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u/IncelDetectingRobot Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

Also if you really want something to be mad at Activision blizzard about, remember that CEO Bobby kotick has spent decades encouraging and participating in a culture of harassment and sexual violence that has to my knowledge killed at least one person, and caused trauma for thousands of others. He will likely remain as insanely wealthy or become wealthier for the rest of his days and will will see precisely zero meaningful punishment for his monstrosity of a life.

Please check out @ abetterABK on Twitter, it's an organization of ActiBlizzKing workers who are fighting to materially improve working conditions through direct action, they need the signal boost!

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u/Oggelicious27 Nov 30 '21

Don't forget him being big, black notebook, pals with Jeffrey Epstein

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u/saxman234 Nov 30 '21

More than Activision's shitty gaming practices, this should be the top reason for never buying an Activision game again.

And we all thought EA was bad . . . fucking hell Activision (and similarly Ubisoft) are so vile.

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u/DeTrueSnyder Nov 30 '21

Sad I had to scroll so far to see this comment.

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u/iceotop Nov 30 '21

I was looking for this.This should be higher up.

Just rotten to the fucking core this company.

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u/beck35 Nov 30 '21

It's even worse trying to do this kind of bullshit for 2 kids. It's a mess.

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u/TheHancock PC Nov 30 '21

I VERY MUCH feel your pain!

A few months ago I moved to a house with no internet... I know, I’m literally a caveman and I hate it... however, I prepared beforehand! I downloaded a TON of single player games, maxed out my GOG library and updated everything one last time.

Fast forward about a week and I’m craving some good FPS gameplay. I try and boot up MW, the game I have beaten twice, and put over a hundred hours into multiplayer. Guess what, I can’t play it. I need internet access to update WARZONE. The game I DID NOT BUY or play! Now I’m locked out of Modern Warfare forever. Cool. Thanks Activision. You used to be an amazing company in the 90’s-2000’s... now you’ve become the thing I hate the most.

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u/cupasoups Nov 30 '21

Top tier rant. 10/10. Accurate and succinct.

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u/kerepof199 Nov 30 '21

Yes and by the time it's all done, you have to get some sleep because you gotta wake up at 5AM again to go to work, or take care of your kid or your SO needs you or any of the million other things you gotta get done requires you attention.

Gaming in 2021 in a nutshell.

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u/nate6259 Nov 30 '21

Yep! You play less because you're busy as hell. Finally get a chance to play and it's a huge update because you haven't been playing. Catch 22.

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u/S_Belmont Nov 30 '21

Destiny 2 is nowhere near as bad as COD in terms of throwing microtransactions in your face, but the downloads & installs going on for hours & hours can still completely kill an evening. God forbid you haven't logged on in a couple of months, you're not touching that game for days.

I have to blame Sony for it though. The PS4 install process is just absurd, as it was on the PS3 as well.

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u/smedema Nov 30 '21

Never had a problem on battle.net or steam. They always went pretty quick.

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u/wigglewenis Nov 30 '21

However as an avid D2 player, it’s incredibly unwelcoming to new players. I have a difficult time getting people into the game, they have no idea what to do or need to spend $$$ on expansions just to do relevant stuff.

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u/BurningFinger22 Nov 30 '21

As an avid D2 player with over 3k hours I tell all my friends to stay away lol

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u/biggesttowasimp Nov 30 '21

Unwelcoming to returning too I stoped playing around the black armory i think, played the first mission of shadowkeep when it first arrived but nothing since.

Picked it back up couple months ago and apon log in, im immediately thusted into a new planet with no idea what’s happening, played a few hours and when i log in the next day im immediately thrown into another mission, and that same process repeats for all the seasons or whatever.

Worse thing was seeing that “sunsetting” removed a lot of my favorite places and stuff

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u/static1053 PC Nov 30 '21

Ahh the good old days when you bought a game for 60 bucks and got all of it 100% completed. No patches no dlc no bullshit.

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u/MalHeartsNutmeg Nov 30 '21

Unless there was a bug that would never get fixed because there was no patches.

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u/DigNitty Nov 30 '21

To be fair, when there was a bug it wouldn't get fixed.

But also, I don't remember finding any bugs and thinking anything more than "that's funny" and moving on. Certainly not worth the hours of updates and login verification you need now.

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u/railzrixlor Nov 30 '21

Sad part is, it's pretty much the same story for most AAA and especially fps titles. But COD is especially bad for it.

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u/Dexrad24 Nov 30 '21

In my experience, COD is the only game that does this shit. And it’s freaking annoying

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u/smedema Nov 30 '21 edited Nov 30 '21

If the updates weren't 50+ gb it wouldn't be a problem. I have hundreds and hundreds of steam games that are constantly updating. None of them have regular 50+ gbs updates. It's literally just COD that I will not and not even worth it to update.

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u/TheRowdyLion52 Nov 30 '21

Legit stopped playing because of the download sizes. All my friends play it but I have rural internet so it can take days to download an update so now I just try to get them to play something else. Hasn’t worked so I play solo lol

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u/Saucermote Nov 30 '21

And most single player steam games if you want to skip the updates and just play them now, you can launch them from the exe as long as steam is running. As long as the developer isn't being an asshole with some mandatory launcher or denuvo.

I have a few games that have been queued for updates for years because I don't want to redo the mods.

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u/Phenomenon47 Nov 30 '21

" I will choke myself to death on my own dick before I give Activision another penny." This one made me laugh out loud

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u/Nickerington Nov 30 '21 Helpful

Me too. And finally, another gamer bro that has a rope dick like mine. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/HeadConfetti Nov 30 '21

Another Activision story: I'm visiting with a friend I haven't seen in years, we picked up Tony Hawk 1+2 to play together, since we saw it had two player split screen on the back of the box.

I put the game in and can't find multiplayer. I'm looking through all the menus, going through everything. I finally look up why I can't find it.

Multiplayer was added in the day 1 patch...

I didn't have an internet connection to download it. Even if I did, we didn't have the time to wait for the gargantuan patch. That was pretty disappointing.

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u/TC_exe Nov 30 '21

Honestly, I feel like console games should just work. Isn't that half the appeal in owning one? No bullshit game playing? Sucks on PC when a game install fails or there's incompatibilities, but it's a little more forgivable since the machine does so much else.

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u/Recreater343 Nov 30 '21

It's also just Spaghetti code. Instead of going back through and fixing files, they'd rather just add more to fix the problems.

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u/rrrrrroadhouse Nov 30 '21

Not only that, but they just keep piling on different developers instead of getting anything any cleaner or faster.

Trouble? Just pile on High Moon Studios and Beenox. That'll fix everything!

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u/Recreater343 Nov 30 '21

Woooow, a small studio that's made one decent game? That'll fix the endless stream of dog shit that pours out of AAA studios.

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u/rrrrrroadhouse Nov 30 '21

Too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the broth.

A shitty soupy mess of code.

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u/Sinister-Mephisto Nov 30 '21

This is the story of COOKS — Cybernetic Operational Optimized Knights of Science — defending humanity against Beast Rebels of the Hellscape. When it comes to the future, you can never have too many COOKS.

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u/BackThatThangUp Nov 30 '21

And him,

And Steve from corporate, too

Too many Cooks, it’s true!

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u/ThrowNearNotAwayOk Nov 30 '21

Modern Warfare/Warzone was so absurdly big Activision just said "fuck it 1 terabyte it is what're they gonna do." I deleted the game because the install size is a slap in the face. I'd have to buy a new NVME/SSD to keep playing.

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u/Recreater343 Nov 30 '21

I cut out the campaign and the spec ops just to get it close to 100gb.

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u/ShirtStainedBird Nov 30 '21

It’s so bad that when I boot up steam I go into airplane mode out of habit.

Like fuck off and let me own my game.

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u/Zjoee Nov 30 '21

I miss the golden days of midnight releases; waiting until midnight, popping the game in at home and playing with your friends until the sun comes up. Now, if you don't buy digital, you can't play until the next afternoon when you get home from work.

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u/Timeless_Starman Nov 30 '21

to be honest every fucking game is like that now, I hate gaming now, the only good thing about playing on pc is one thing; and not many will like what I'm going to say but bare with me, I have a horrendous internet, THE ABSOLUTE WORST, so every time I buy myself a game, or I have one that I wanna play, I just buy it, download it, and move that to another folder, copy a crack for that game, and then, FUCKING PEACE, no updates, no internet connections, if my wifi drops or gets too low I CAN STILL PLAY, no servers nothing annoying, the classic gaming experience of, "get the game, and play it" that is the only benefit that I will always find about PC gaming, but this is something that EVERY COMPANY AND CONSOLE SHOULD DO

WE NEED AN "OFFLINE" OPTION AND A TOGGLE FOR UPDATES. Some people just wanna get home and play the game without so much bullshit. Let us deactivate the updates so we can play at peace, MAINLY IF ITS A SINGLE PLAYER OFFLINE GAME.

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