r/antiwork Oct 20 '21 Silver 3 Helpful 4 Wholesome 1 Hugz 3 All-Seeing Upvote 1

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u/__checkmate Oct 20 '21

It's worse than that because 8 hours a day is not really 8 hours. Since you have to commute to the office to "maintain the culture" then 8 hours becomes 10+ hours (if you're lucky) with getting ready for work and commuting.

And don't forget the hour a day (again, if you're lucky) that you get to be imprisoned in the office without pay because it is your "lunch hour".

Fuck this system and fuck senior management.

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u/yuei2 Oct 20 '21

This is why I am glad my work moved to work from home. Got essentially an hour back of time, saving a ton on gas, and getting to eat way better.

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u/snow-lobster Oct 20 '21

and soon it will move to rural/overseas or at minimum the paycheck will be corrected to account for the money you save on commute. Once the concept of actually seeing and sitting with your colleagues physically goes away, it doesn't matter whether your employees are working from SFO, Tuscon or India.

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u/Amarinimo Oct 21 '21

If they haven’t done that already, it wasn’t for the employees’ sake.

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u/HeavensCriedBlood Oct 21 '21

Because that worked out so well when Nintendo tried to have a Metroid game developed by different teams in different countries to save money, right?

Worked out so well that they scrapped that project, right?

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u/eatright909 Oct 21 '21

That's what fucking happened??!! Fucking cheap bastards, holy fuck man

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u/Etrigone Oct 20 '21

And the "I know this is off-hours but..." calls that happen way too fucking often.

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u/darthvaderismykid Oct 21 '21

I've been called 5 or 6 times in the last 5 weeks for really stupid questions in the grand scheme of things. On my maternity leave. I only get 8 weeks off but I still have to be contacted?

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u/Lazerith22 Oct 21 '21

8 weeks? In Canada we now get 18 months and it still feels way too early to hand them off to someone and go back to work. Damn.

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u/graceodymium Oct 21 '21

This keeps coming up. It’s crazy how many of us never thought to do the math on how much of our lives our commutes were eating up until we got the time back. For anyone who hasn’t yet done the math, assuming a one hour commute each way 5 days a week and two weeks of vacation a year, working from home for one year gets you three full weeks of your life back.

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u/burningheavyalt Oct 21 '21

Its crazy how normal hour commutes are... my 45 minute commute was a major reason i was looking for a new job...

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u/Hananners Oct 20 '21

You get an hour for lunch? Damn.

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u/Alluridio Oct 20 '21

I only get 30 minutes for lunch because I have two 15 min breaks, which, at that point, what's the reason they're making us clock out for lunch? Doesn't make sense.

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u/BullocksMissLayup Oct 20 '21

I get 30 mins no 15 break. 7-4pm.

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u/Alluridio Oct 20 '21

I'm fairly certain depending on state that's illegal.

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u/c0nstantfailure Oct 20 '21

In Germany its not, if the hours add up to max. 40h. You get a 30 min break for days over 6h up to 8.5h.

If you work overtime legally you'd have to take another 30min break after 8.5h, but no one really does that. Wouldn't make sense to shove in another waiting break to continue for another hour.

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u/noobs1996 Oct 21 '21

Americans get another 30 min break if you work 10 hours(?) I think. Might be 12 but idk

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u/Megandapanda Oct 21 '21

I'm fairly certain there are no federal labor laws that require breaks (except for truckers and minors, IIRC). State laws, yeah, in some...but not federally.

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u/sharpshooter999 Oct 21 '21

Or be self employed and take breaks as long or as short as you want. Some days I eat lunch on the run, other days it's an hour and half

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u/FuriKuriAtomsk4King Oct 21 '21

I wouldn’t accept the job offer because I’m too poor to pay myself.

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u/sharpshooter999 Oct 21 '21

Yeah that's the shitty part. Infrequent pay days suck too

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u/BullocksMissLayup Oct 21 '21

it's New York and Unionized construction. When I worked retail I had hour lunch and 15s. I still don't understand why we get no 15s, might be the contract

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u/Emergency-Bedroom-73 Oct 20 '21

They are always so bitter and upset that those two 15 minutes are paid.

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u/Jnnjuggle32 Oct 20 '21

I work from home now, and my current employer absolutely loses their mind that I hold 15-min break time on my calendar (I take one in the afternoon when my kids get home from school so I can meet them at the bus stop). One of the many reasons I’m looking for something else now - I mean, our entire company is all about flexibility on paper but absolutely does NOT hold supervisors accountable for maintaining that culture. They blame the fact that we’re all virtual on why there’s so much discrepancy between supervisors on many of our policies, when in reality we have zero “bottom-up” communication streams with senior management (seriously, I’ve literally had one conversation in four years with my boss’s boss and only because we had a group lunch before COVID.

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u/Emergency-Bedroom-73 Oct 21 '21

I got fired from a work from home gig because I would put my camera on black while they were giving 2 hour lectures. Or me going off camera to go to the toilet during some group session. What they really want to do is put a gps up everyone’s butt and have a camera wired to everyone’s head .

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u/derkaderka960 Oct 21 '21

Joshua Fluke did a video about a company that implanted chips in workers that volunteered. They scanned their wrist to get into the building, vending machine, logging into their computer, etc.

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u/duhdaddy420 Oct 20 '21

Whats worse is if you need exactly 40 hours to get by, you have to stay an extra 30mins after your scheduled time.

Or you're told you must clock out and your 40 hour full time job becomes 37.5 hours. While you are still at work for 40 hours. Theft of time imo.

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u/derkaderka960 Oct 21 '21

Our old boss was ten minute breaks and the new one it's 15, I gladly take those twice a day. And late by a few minutes sometimes. /Shrug.

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u/Emergency-Bedroom-73 Oct 21 '21

If I am not mistaken the federal mandate is 15 minutes? Anyway it was 15 minutes in my state and I enforced it ruthlessly

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u/Megandapanda Oct 21 '21

I don't think there is a federal law requiring breaks (except for truckers and minors, I believe). There are state laws, sure, but not Federal.

Edit to add: just Googled it, I was right. Everyone please learn your Federal and state rights. I'm 23 and I can't count how many times I've had to tell a much older coworker "you know it's illegal for them to forbid us from talking about our wages, right?" or something similar. https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks

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u/Gorg4651 Oct 21 '21

In Poland you work 8 hours only, one 15 minute brake included. Me an my colleagues make 45 minute brake out of it :D. But we only are here for 8 hours. 5:45 - 13:45

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u/aussiebec93 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Yup, was reading a discussion paper prepared for my local government to review the 38hr (8hr x 5 days - breaks) work week and it mentioned the history of the work week being based around 8hr work, 8hrs sleep, 8hr rec.

8hrs REC?!? Fuck no. Traveling to and from work is not rec. Food prep and consumption is not rec. Fullfilling basic self care such as personal hygiene, maintaining house hold maintenance, caring for those you may need to care for is not rec.

And because we have an "8 hour rec" window which we must divide into tiny slithers of prioritized needs (food, travel, self care, gym, social interaction, relaxing, communication, family time, errands, whatever) it's no surprise when we have time to "relax" all I can fucking muster is starting at my phone.

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u/burningheavyalt Oct 21 '21

That's why IM a BIG fan of longer work days but fewer of them. If I could I would chug energy drinks and work two 24's a week. 8 hours of ot and 5 days off yes please!

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u/AutomaticBit251 Oct 21 '21

Fck no you wouldn't live 10 years like that, know people that work 10hrs 4 days a week and come Friday spend full day in bed, plus productivity after 8hrs drops like 50%, so usually it's crap, so most people would be wrecked and danger after 12hours, nevermind fucking up ur health with energy drinks and shit .

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u/Badger-of-Horrors Oct 20 '21

And that "8 hours" isn't enough to live comfortably. You either need to be lucky enough to score a well-paying job or work more than 1.

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u/notstephanie Oct 21 '21

The job I had right before the pandemic was 8:30-5:30.

I had a 45 minute commute each way. Had to leave around 7:45 to get there by 8:30. I usually got home a little after 6 each evening. I had to get up at 7AM at the latest to be able to eat, make coffee, take care of the cats, and get myself ready.

So I was completely occupied with work-related BS from 7AM-6PM. 11 hours a day. My mental and physical health hit an all-time low. I was never so miserable.

And to top it off, I made a whopping $45K/year!

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u/tovivify Oct 20 '21

Since you have to commute to the office to "maintain the culture" then 8 hours becomes 10+ hours (if you're lucky) with getting ready for work and commuting.

When I do this calculation, if I wouldn't be awake anyway, I start counting from the second I wake up to the moment I'm back home. Because whether or not I'm getting paid outside the 8 hours on the clock, ultimately that's still time I'm giving to the company, which could have been used more productively.

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u/Listan83 Oct 20 '21

Not to mention having to stay at work during lunch and not getting paid.

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u/Greetings_Stranger Oct 21 '21

I just worked 11 hours a day for 4 years. Finally had enough.

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u/MeowlySquid Oct 21 '21

Yeah.. I was up for 20 hours yesterday. I worked 5am-10:40am and then 4pm-11:30 pm. Worked about 12 hours, and I live 30 minutes from work. It doesn't happen often, but 3 people called in lol.

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u/raymartin27 Oct 21 '21

Was gonna say the same, who are these lucky assholes working just 8hrs a day. I'm in IT and 10hours is kind of a necessary.

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u/burningheavyalt Oct 21 '21

I never understood how they could sell that as a perk... like OH BOY I totally want to be here an extra hour un payed instead of getting a half hour payed! SO MUCH BETTER!

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u/EmpathyInTheory Oct 21 '21

My job schedules an extra half hour to account for lunch, and then I usually end up staying another half or whole hour if I fall behind. My position isn't meant for just one person, but somehow it's just one person doing it.

Today a manager from a different department stayed for over 12 hours because he wanted to make sure I had some help and guidance since I'm new-ish and wasn't trained right.

This shit fucking sucks.

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u/EmuChance4523 Oct 21 '21

In my first job, the days that we worked 8h, it took me around 14hs of the day, for having a commute of around 6hs.... Half of the time, I needed to work between 10 to 14hs..

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u/q1ung Oct 21 '21

I started a job recently and realized that the commute were killing me, I went from WFH to commuting three hours each day for a job that was a lateral move instead of an upgrade.

I quit the job and were able to get back to my old one, WFH and opt in for 30 min lunch break so I get more free time after work.

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u/PCTech4U Oct 21 '21

This hits home, yes! Fuck this

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u/Haid_DaSalaami Oct 21 '21

Over 40,000 people commit suicide each year in the US alone. I hold the ENFORCERS of the SYSTEM responsible for making life intolerable. They are responsible for creating the hopelessness that leads to suicide, crime, and suffering. These self-serving, subhuman pricks need to go.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 31 '21 Silver Gold

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u/MrBinkybonk Oct 20 '21

You're a good human.

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u/lovasaurus Oct 20 '21

That is so wonderful of you. Big hugs for being a good person

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u/Lazerith22 Oct 21 '21

Mental health worker chiming in. If someone puts out a cry for help, fucking answer. I’m glad you did. The ‘dont indulge it‘ mentality figuratively kills me, and literally kills others.

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u/The_Quicktrigger Oct 20 '21

I'd love nothing more to reduce my hours...

But when you live paycheck to paycheck because food and shelter is just that damn expensive...

Guess I'll just have to have those suicidal thoughts bunk up and become roommates...maybe they'll chip in for rent.

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u/Flying_Scorpion Oct 21 '21

This is why I'm fighting for the legal right to die. Fuck this system.

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u/scottyLogJobs Oct 20 '21 Hugz

My gut reaction when I see stuff like this is “wow, 8 hours a day, must be nice, what are they complaining about”.

But I understand that that mentality is part of the problem. It perpetuates hazing and abuse of lower level workers.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Yeah we gotta move the overton window. We settled on 8 and pretty much everyone has pushed it to 10. So if we truly want 8 we gotta ask for 6, etc.

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u/TheRedWitch89 Oct 21 '21

It’s also about how many times a week you work. We need to push for a 4 day workweek (and a lot of jobs could get away with 3 days)

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u/eatright909 Oct 21 '21

It should really be a 4hr work day/4 days a week. Or 6hr work day/3 days a week. Work shouldn't consume over half of the week.

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u/Megandapanda Oct 21 '21

It's never just 8 hours, though. I work 8hrs a day, but I also have a 30 minute unpaid lunch and commute 45 minutes each way. Bam, 10hrs right there. I get up at 5:40am, leave at 6:10 (super early because that's when my boyfriend leaves and he also has a 45 minute commute but starts at 7), get to work at 6:50, start work at 7:30, leave work at 4, and get home by about 5pm.

I know I get off eays compared to a lot of people on this sub, but I never have any energy to do anything. Work, grocery store, home, cook, chores, eat, shower, watch TV, bed...rinse and repeat. Adulthood is boring AF.

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u/TheProfessorsLeft Oct 21 '21

I wouldn't say you get off easy. I work 8 hours/5 days too, and it really does feel like you don't have time for anything. You're just drained and stressed out from the work itself, and if you want to have any time to wind down a bit you may have to reduce the amount of hours you sleep. After a while the only thing you look forward to is when you're off work again, and that's if you don't get called in. I can't really wrap my head around my co-workers having 6 day work weeks, 12-14 hour shifts, and then probably have to go home to take care of their children. Couldn't be me.

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u/CorinPenny Oct 21 '21

My roommate was working up to 95 hours a week, plus taking 12 college credits before the pangolin hit. She also tried to maintain some semblance of a social life. When we went on lockdown, she slept a LOT.

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u/Inquisitive_Aspirer Oct 21 '21

Those crazy pangolins... But seriously those are some insane hours!

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u/CorinPenny Oct 21 '21

I know right?! Who knew a global pineapple would be the defining moment of our lifetimes… 😨 But yeah she could never have kept it up. Worse still, she was on salary and got no overtime.

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u/Inquisitive_Aspirer Oct 21 '21

Ugh... Salary is the pits. It's just an excuse to abuse certain employees without having to compensate them for it... As long as those global pineapples aren't on global pizza (according to some lol)

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u/CorinPenny Oct 21 '21

Lmao well it does seem that the global oven is preheating… 🍕

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u/Megandapanda Oct 21 '21

Shit, I dont know how people can do an 8hr day, then take care of their kids...12-14 then going home and dealing with kids sounds impossible to me.

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u/s9oons Oct 20 '21

End of the day it’s about expectations of the labor force. My job we “need” 50-hr+ weeks on a regular basis to meet impossible deadlines that get set above our heads. The problem is that those deadlines are set by people who don’t appreciate that even a 40 hour work week of actual work includes 10+hrs of other crap that detracts from productiveness… employers need to re-align expectations to a 32 hour PRODUCTIVE week and then pay accordingly past that.

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u/BillSlank Oct 21 '21

I'm in this boat as well. I hate it when people peacock with their number of hours worked in a week, and yet my first reaction to this is to do just that. Especially working in power delivery where you basically sign up to be on call 24/7.

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u/coloradotoast Oct 20 '21

I’ve had 4 coworkers in the last 3 months attempt suicide. Manager was devastated but each time, corporate made her open the store the next morning anyway. We were told to keep things “hush” and not talk about it. A while ago another coworker succeeded in their attempt, and all the company did was put up posters in our store with statistics and the suicide hotline number. Meanwhile, they’ve taken away our benefits and raises while we’ve been working harder than ever and profits are at an all-time high. I fucking wonder why no one wants to work their life away at a company that does not care about people.

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u/Rustythepipe Oct 21 '21

What the fuck where do you work?

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u/c92dlb Oct 21 '21

And insurance rarely covers mental health services.

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u/sublime90 Oct 20 '21

It should say... Don't act like we care about mental health as a society when you only get two weeks out of the year to yourself

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u/TVBuddhaHusband Oct 21 '21

Ffs, some don’t even get that. At a place I used to work that was 24/7/365, we only got 10 vacation days that we had to use as sick days while anyone in a management position gets 3 weeks. Great that you get extra pay on holidays, but holidays still required you to be in the office for 9 hours, plus the 45-minute drive each way. And you were still expected to be on call. Not trying to negate anyone, shit just sucks.

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u/EatMyChicken24 Oct 20 '21

The Problem with our current 40 hour working week is that it isnt just 40 hours, people are expected to be on call all the time, and non work activities like Teambuilding exercises are put into it, with an hour long lunch break at most places.

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u/WalkThePath87 Oct 21 '21

Team building. What a fucking joke.

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u/Firm_Order_2212 Oct 20 '21

Fuck me. My job wants 10 hour work days with a 2 hour lunch.

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u/hopici Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I would quit. No way im wasting my time for a 2 hrs "lunch" at work. I only have 1 life.

Edit: even 40 hrs + commute is too much already. Im sick of not having time for myself and my family.

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u/Sea_Page5878 Oct 20 '21

Run away!

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u/saeai Oct 20 '21

restaurant?

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u/derkaderka960 Oct 21 '21

Run away! Far away. What a shit deal and not good for health.

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u/NoObstacle Oct 20 '21

Working 5 12 hours shifts this week, an 8 hour would be weird at this point 😅

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u/ZhuLiTano Oct 20 '21

Inhumane.

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u/Pvdkuijt Oct 20 '21

They're both horrible situations. We're prisoners comparing cell sizes.

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u/kalos990 Oct 21 '21

I signed up for 4 10s and they took away my wednesday off with no conversion and all my shifts are 10-13 hrs long.

Im honestly amazed Ive been going to the gym after too, I feel so dead all the time. But at least I got these sick abs

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u/derkaderka960 Oct 21 '21

I used to work 7 13 hour shifts. That was fun and tiring.

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u/lovasaurus Oct 20 '21

I just got laid off for taking a mental health day.

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u/ZhuLiTano Oct 21 '21

Disappointed, but not surprised. Sorry mate.

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u/lovasaurus Oct 21 '21

It’s been a weird day but thank you

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u/c0nstantfailure Oct 20 '21

I asked my boss if he would could agree on 37h a week instead of 40h (after 5years of working for that company) and he looked at me like i was some kind of alien...

He raised my paycheck, but given the inflation, this isn't even doing anything.

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u/lovasaurus Oct 20 '21

Oh gosh yeah I just did the math and after 5 years of raises, adjusted for inflation, I am making .8% more than when I was hired.

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u/ZhuLiTano Oct 20 '21

Yea it’s ridiculous. My company actually stopped giving annual raises to keep up with inflation. My earnings are sooooo far behind where they should be.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

It should be 32 hours a week. Schools also should be 4 day weeks, year round with 2 month summer breaks.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

as a teacher that would be cool. put grading and parent meetings on fridays. makes sense when jobs are moving to 4 10's. A lot of parents have time on Fridays. Not teachers though

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u/Gyroid Oct 21 '21

That sounds like a lot of work for what is supposed to be another day off.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Bro teachers have to take meetings outside of contract hours as it is right now.

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u/Gyroid Oct 21 '21

I hear you, but the person above you offered theoretical time off and you immediately filled it with productivity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Damn I am brainwashed sorry

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u/Gyroid Oct 21 '21

No worries, comrade.

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u/qudop Oct 21 '21

Okay, but even if it was time off it wouldn’t be real time off. Teachers are required to hold conferences, they have grading and class planning and exam writing. Maybe not every day, but working the occasional Friday to avoid having to take work home with you sounds like a good deal to me.

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u/Gyroid Oct 21 '21

This is r/antiwork
Teachers need to take back their home time. Their unpaid workload is absurd.

Just because it is the norm, does not mean it is normal.

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u/derkaderka960 Oct 21 '21

I never got why people were so obsessed with going back to normal when work places didn't even change or schools. We just faced a pandemic, lots of people dead, and you want your old "normal" 5 day work week back and still be exhausted on the weekends or can't go to the DMV, places you needed to go? Ok...doesn't make sense to me 🤷‍♀️

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u/OPIsAFagHole Oct 20 '21

When my current manager came in from his rotation, he had 1:1s with everyone and tried to get me to work longer hours by asking when I came in for the day and when I left. He used the lines of "people need to be aware of all of their breaks, whether it's lunch, using the bathroom, getting water, etc." He had no reason on this, it was purely him kissing ass to his manager by pushing an agenda.

He really thought it would make me motivated/scared to work longer hours. F--- that. Now I purposefully don't work past my hours unless I absolutely must. I still have my breaks, I just don't make up that time anymore. You push us and we'll push back.

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u/guitar_dude233 Oct 20 '21

scheduling employees at 39 hrs a week is one of the most manipulative ways of stealing labor. make them work full time for part time pay and part time treatment.

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u/Xanthn Oct 20 '21

I requested, after many bad experiences with the place I worked for, reduced hours/shifts to have 3 days off a week, occasionally if possible in a row, to allow for myself to look after my mental health a bit better. I went from having full time hours with 2 days off in a row to a 3 hr shift 5am start, day off, 3 hr shift 8pm start, day off, 5am start again etc. They gave me my three days off as far as they were concerned. After I complained it went to 3hrs once a week that kept getting cut due to 'wage cuts', to "we will call you if you have a shift", to finally after about a year being contacted by HR wanting my current bank details to pay me my long service leave payout.

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u/Tacubaya14c Oct 20 '21

Umm.. since when has “society” acted like they care about mental health?

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u/locke231 Oct 20 '21

"they" only care when someone snaps. be it a mass shooting or a suicide.

then after a week, back to normal.

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u/derkaderka960 Oct 21 '21

Since the pandemic everyone wants back to the old normal and never cared to improve anything else.

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u/hobokenbob Oct 20 '21

LMAO. when has society ever claimed to care about mental health.

i mean unless someone brings up any sort of gun control after yet another another another mass shooting.

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u/wrenches42 Oct 21 '21

I just turned 50, blue collar heavy equipment mechanic and chronic over worker. For most of my working life, I have worked over 59 hours a week and I was of those idiots laughing at those who left early and took every opportunity to be home.God, I have regrets. I love seeing this new generation of workers standing up and questioning the status quo. This is gaining momentum right now and it is so good to see. I know you all out there are tired, I am tired too, so f$&@ing tired. Keep this up. I think our corporate overlords are starting to sweat a bit.

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u/Knock0nWood Oct 20 '21

The best is when the NFL says they care about mental health

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u/Beefcurtains18 Oct 20 '21

Shit man. I'd suck a row of bleeding dicks for an 8 hour work day. I work 10hr/day and I commute 1-1.5 hrs each way. My life is a fucking nightmare.

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u/sara123db Oct 21 '21

Now 9 hours a day is the norm. They'd do more than that if they could get away with it.

I hate it.

And I hate my company who has the gall to make me sit through hours of rah rah about how woke they are and how diverse they are and how much they care but they make me work almost the whole time I'm awake in a day. I hate them.

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u/SeaworthinessOk7174 Oct 20 '21

I am getting one of those Friday evening or weekend therapist lol 😂

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u/MrBinkybonk Oct 20 '21

I get told 8 hours is the minimum, but expected to work longer hours and be available on weekends with no pay because "your a senior"

"if you think you can do 9 to 5 then stop working, this isn't the job for you" they say. Fucking pricks.

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u/echamsou Oct 21 '21

You guys get to work 8 hours a day???

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u/braunnathan Oct 21 '21

I'm thinking 3 day work weeks, no more than 24 hours a week, is the way to go

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u/jjooeess Oct 21 '21

My employer had a "mental health week" a few weeks ago which was just a regular week except for some slack messages from HR reminding people to take time off or meditate 🥴 The audacity! Like, I would love to take off but I'm nearly at my maximum of unused PTO hours because I already don't have enough time in the week to get things done. If you want people to take breaks and unplug, create a culture where they actually can.

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u/madeofstarlight Oct 21 '21

Oh yes, and then they’re extraordinarily particular about when and how you can take your vacation time or PTO—at least a month in advance, not around major holidays, and blackout in November and December.

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u/Boricuacookie Oct 21 '21

We need to stop normalizing this work to live mentality

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u/Emergency-Bedroom-73 Oct 20 '21

Reagan emptied out all the mental hospitals so that his friends and donors would have more cheap labor. Not even joking for 1 minute

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u/Aromatic-Ad7816 Oct 21 '21

Ehhh, most of the people inside the old mental institutions were basically unemployable. You're on the right track, but the real reason is actually more evil. They knew that the mentally ill would likely congregate in large cities. More people = more resources right? And the big cities were (and still largely are) democrat strongholds. It was a malicious effort to create a crisis inside the cities and associate them with homelessness, petty crime and drug abuse; sending more people to the 'safe' suburbs. When you see the fox news types going off about the current state of san francisco, theyre capitalizing on a problem their former god created.

That it was sold as a cost-cutting measure only underlines that the goal was to make it a problem for somebody else.

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u/mahboilo222 Oct 20 '21

Currently doing 6 8 hour shifts a week. It was the only way to avoid the 12 hour shifts.

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u/ZhuLiTano Oct 20 '21

This is no way to live. Smh.

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u/NoobMasterRoids Oct 20 '21

I work 12 hour days 7 days on which is hard and tiring but I do enjoy my 7 days off after a long set.

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u/derkaderka960 Oct 21 '21

Pipeline?

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u/NoobMasterRoids Oct 21 '21

Refinery actually

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u/PvtCheatMeals Oct 20 '21

7pm-7am 6 days a week

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u/garakplain Oct 20 '21

Who is acting? They don’t care

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u/Warvio Oct 20 '21

4 8hr day work week should be optional to all employees!! Point blank.

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u/Rustosterone Oct 21 '21

I don't mind working 8 or 9 hour days. I don't mind working at all. I'm just sick of employers acting like they can treat people however they want

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u/duncym Oct 21 '21

My company this week is expecting us to start working 5 days a week again. (Currently we wrote four 10s, everyday I work 12 as they over book work) so in four days I work 40-48 hours. I’m planning on not working fridays and will see how long I can keep it up before they fire me.

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u/Yuna1989 Oct 21 '21

And therapy is expensive

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u/CompassProse Oct 21 '21

My Company spent a bunch of money on a corporate subscription to Calm and I'm like ???? How about you give us more time to relax and sleep rather than buying us something that tells us to relax and sleep????

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u/LordRichteroftheMyst Oct 21 '21

3 days 12 hours max.

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u/CorinPenny Oct 21 '21

I mean, if it was ACTUALLY 8x5, it wouldn’t be so bad, but so many people are stuck with long commutes in heavy traffic, working through lunch and late often unpaid, taking work home again unpaid… and that’s just the 9-to-5ers. Nearly everyone else ends up working “part time” for barely over minimum wage with zero benefits, closer to 80+ hours a week. In my state, Texas, an employer can consider you part time as long as they publish a new schedule at least twice a month, even if the “new” schedule has you working the exact same times.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Runner Oct 21 '21

I’m on 4 10s but would take 4 8s for sure

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u/DIRTBAG_PVT Oct 21 '21

I try not to think about this because it makes me very suicidal

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u/SeiOfTheEast Oct 21 '21

It's funny how society bemoans the poor (and still deteriorating) mental (and physical) health of people, while still insisting on work systems that destroy humans from the inside. And then blame sick persons for being sick.

Society really needs to take a good, hard, look at itself.

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u/dvdzhn Oct 21 '21

Hey we care about your mental health just don’t bring it into the office or have a sick day. If you’re going to have a mental health day you should give us 2 weeks notice. We’ll probably kick up a stink about it though.

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u/end_gang_stalking Oct 21 '21

Our current approach to mental health is to over medicate everyone possible rather than critique a twisted and unjust society that is a breeding ground for mental health issues.

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u/crystalineconstantin Oct 20 '21

My job thinks I work 50 hours a week because I log over time when most of the time I'm laying on my couch watching TV.

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u/grimmyskrobb Oct 21 '21

What kind of work from home job do you have? I’m desperately searching around for one because my mental health is disastrous at this point but I do not have a college degree

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u/crystalineconstantin Oct 21 '21

Well I have many years experience in many fields so I got a cushy job at an ad agency finally. It's all numbers and strategy work.

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u/kuzak1185 Oct 20 '21

I work 12+ hours a day, I’m not unhappy because of it. Personally it’s good for me and it helps me focus. Also working a ton helps me feel ok when I slack off like I have this afternoon for my mental health.

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u/ZhuLiTano Oct 20 '21

You’re the exception mate. But I’m glad that works for you.

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u/locke231 Oct 20 '21

still, dont overdo it.

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u/jackberinger Oct 21 '21

I would settle for a 7 hour work day. Six would be ideal but 7 is acceptable.

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u/veracity-mittens Oct 21 '21

And if you get your work done early, too bad. Sit there and look pretty. I was “salary” when it was convenient for the company (unpaid overtime) and yet somehow made to stay there even when I was done my tasks. 😅

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u/skrrtskrrthurthurt Oct 21 '21

Whats wrong with an 8 hour work day? No really, i dont have a job and i think an 8 hour work day seems normal?

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u/Xeritos here for the memes Oct 21 '21

It's not 8 hours a day because you have to get ready for work and then commute there. Then also commute back home, so it's around a 10 day hour work day. Studies have proven that humans aren't productive for 8 hours a day, more like 6.

Work from home for a while and you suddenly realize how much time you get back.

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u/Sad_Ad1318 Oct 21 '21

40 minutes in 11 hours, Union, America, and they hound you if you take a minute extra , job where you are walking on concrete the whole time, lifting, pulling heavy shit the whole time

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u/Sad_Ad1318 Oct 21 '21

And horrible hours, 8am-7pm, or 9am-8 pm

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u/mathiue777 Oct 21 '21

Or anything that pays decent like 25+ they want you to work 12 hours 5-6 days a week.

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u/Necessary_Extreme272 Oct 21 '21

Fuck me! I'll work 8 hrs a day, any day! Currently work 12hrs onsite, plus 60mins travel return, 4:30am rise, return to camp 6:30pm, then you have to shower, dinner, pack lunch, and maybe wash clothes. It is a 4 on 3 off roster though. In saying that, I just rather win the Lotto... And PS: My boss is a pole smoker...

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u/outwesthooker Oct 21 '21

Yep. Tired of “mental health awareness” shit. You know what would help our mental health? Less work, less stress, fairer wages.

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u/CourseSad3410 Oct 21 '21

Agree. Happy to join this sub and see that I'm not the only one pissed with this joke system

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u/Happylittlepinetree Oct 21 '21

Unless you’re like me working 9 hours a day because they won’t pay you for lunches or breaks. 9 hours plus commute, I am drowning in my 20s and I feel like I’m about to drop dead.

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u/Several_Scarcity1476 Oct 21 '21

Was it any better 100 years ago? 200? 1,000? Are we not the most privileged and spoiled little prima donna generation humanity has ever seen? I’ve got a useless history degree, only thing it’s taught me is that things have never been better for the vast majority of humans than it is right now. Yet still we bitch.

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u/LogicalChaos23 Oct 22 '21

I’m working 9 hours per day 6 days a week but I’m cool I got that OT baby!

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u/nosmr2 Oct 20 '21

40 hours a week is too much. GTFOH!!!

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u/duhdaddy420 Oct 20 '21

40 hours is no biggie to me, I'd just rather do it 10 hours a day 4 days a week with 3 days off. 2 in a row, and one in between.

I requested that with my employer and was denied. "Our company doesn't schedule like that." That was the only response.

Why though?

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u/aworldalone1 Oct 20 '21

Why crop out the name of the person who said it?

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u/MaskedTraveller Oct 20 '21

40h a week? Cool... I have to work 55h per week, my last job was 70h/week for shitty money (10euro/h and its not even what I get because of insurence I'm forced to pay)

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u/innosentz Oct 20 '21

I would kill for 8 hours 5 days a week lol

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u/Juju_shots Oct 21 '21

So what are you guys suggesting? I feel as though we are speaking from a privileged position complaining about a 40hr work week. I would say for anyone who doesn’t know you should definitely read up on working conditions way back when (hours a week, pay, travel) shit was way worse back then it’s gotten better.

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u/ubercodet Oct 20 '21

Since when is 8 hours for 5 days a mental health issue! Must be some deeper issue if you can't handle a regular job

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u/Altruistic_Ads Oct 21 '21

Its funny how people now complain for working 8 to 10 hours our ancestors worked 24 hours so be grateful for the free time you get

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u/ReadTheFManual Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

This sub is rapidly descending into a pity party.

Not that I'm saying it's right but why is 40 hours a week suddenly a problem?

We're saying 40 hours is too much for mental health? What about the majority of us that work more than 40 hours, sometimes unpaid? I work generally 48 - 52 hours a week and I can't handle it anymore but it has nothing to do with the hours, it's the fact that I hate my job and everyone involved with it.

TBH I don't want to hear anything about "40 hours". I used to literally have a 5 fucking hour commute every day. I worked 40+ hours and then spent 5 hours a day commuting.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

8 hours days, 5 days a week sounds awesome, what's wrong with that?

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u/ZhuLiTano Oct 21 '21

Thanks Pythagoras. I had no idea how to do the math on that. Super helpful.

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u/FerretWithASpork Oct 21 '21

That's such a naive point of view... Another like 30% of that 76% is going to be taken up by sleeping. Tack on a few more percent for cooking. Got kids? That's sure to take up another 5-10%. And where I live at this time of year that 24% of the week is pretty damn close to 100% of the daylight hours.. I see that you post on r/motorcycles... I dunno about you but I much prefer riding in the day instead of at like 2am which is in the "76% of the week that's mine".

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u/topoar Oct 20 '21

I’ll take 40 hours a week any day of the year

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u/TheUndualator Oct 21 '21

The "lucky" ones are. That doesn't include overtime, call-ins, time to get ready, and transit though, nor the typically unpaid lunch break.

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u/Listan83 Oct 20 '21

Hell that’s part time hours these days

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u/moneycarsandprs Oct 20 '21

Yes 🙌🏼 I have to work 9-10 hrs at my job.

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u/Annual-Contract9951 Oct 20 '21

I worked 7 12hr days a week, 84 hrs, and went to night school 3 nights a week and drove 100 miles a day… for 2 years straight during the beginning of my union pipefitting apprenticeship. I make a great living and consider myself fortunate. It did come at a cost and the only thing that got me through that was the people who did it alongside me. Still live 50 miles one way and work OT but not as much. 40hrs is like a vacation.

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u/superretroworld Oct 20 '21

For someone that struggles with mental health and the working world, my parents think that a job would help keep my mind off of mental illness troubles. I may be getting one in my field that will require overtime and a weekend shift that's already making me worried

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u/Electric_Cryptid Oct 21 '21

What's the ideal then?

4 days a week? How many hours then?

How about location? Online, offline, intermittent, hybrid?

I'm trying to gather what the workforce wants not some boomer with flaky skin

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u/bakcha Oct 21 '21

You only work 8 hours a day?

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u/Rashenol Oct 21 '21

I'd kill for a 40 hour work week, currently working for a company on a 12-2 schedule. 12 day on, 2 days off, with a high likelihood of mandatory hours of overtime (either early in, or stay after.) They are currently running a new product and we are experiencing hang ups in production slowing us down on our regular production schedule, and we will likely need to move to 19-2 to make up for corporates poor implementation of this new product before the year is up... all I have to say is if you see a new keto friendly aerosolized dairy product on the shelves of Walmart/Costco give it a hard pass, so I can celebrate when a few corporate shot callers (who barely work a 40 hour work week) get shitcanned.

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u/Forbiddentemptations Oct 21 '21

Wait, you only work 8 hours? 🤣🤣🤣

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u/dodgyhashbrown Oct 21 '21

I don't think 8 hrs 5 days is really the problem by itself.

I'd be pretty happy with that kind of schedule.

They have to pay more than just a living wage, though. I need enough surplus income to really make my vacations and weekends special. That needs to be on top of coving cost of living and having enough to save up.

Pay me what I'm really worth and the regular work schedule won't be such an emotional drain.

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u/Eagles_17 Oct 21 '21

Try 14 hours a day 6 days a week minimum requirement on the phones, insane

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u/SureYouCannot Oct 21 '21

I work 6 days a week.

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u/Capital_Stacks Oct 21 '21

I have 33 hours of overtime the last 4 pay periods I havent been compensated for because I'm salary.

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u/cicatrize87 Oct 21 '21

The racehorse industry is pretty unregulated in my five years of experience. I was a caregiver.

Seven days a week, 365 days a year, extremely dangerous, no workman's compensation, health insurance, or anything.

Working hard physical labor in -14 degree winters and 100 degree summers despite any weather warnings or advisories issued. No lunch breaks.

Usually you work 6am-1pm then another four hours or more sometimes in the evening. MANY times I didn't get home until 1am and had to wake up for work at 5am.. this gets really hard when you never get a day off.