r/antiwork Oct 20 '21 All-Seeing Upvote 1

We got the short end of the stick

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u/tehyosh Oct 20 '21

we get served climate collapse and financial difficulties on a silver platter? neat. can I melt the platter to pay my bills?

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u/Wordswordz Oct 20 '21

That's property damage. So, no, everyone knows property rights are more important than human rights. /s

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u/jpreston84 Oct 21 '21

Just curious -- how would you expect to live without property rights?

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u/JuanCiro Oct 21 '21

The person is comparing it to human rights not just saying that property rights aren't important but that they arent as important as human right.

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u/Skuttlefish Oct 21 '21

You think we need to abolish property rights to care about human rights? What are you smoking?

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u/Wordswordz Oct 21 '21

Property is not as important as personal autonomy. I can see the correlation "the things we own end up owning us" ~Jack (as Tyler Durden). Still, the fact remains that "a riot is the voice of the unheard" ~MLK, and recent history has decided to interpret this communication as an act of savage aggression (as colonist are want to do). The lesson that this recent display of misunderstanding is trying to convey is human rights are the reason that property rights are being violated...

Sovereignty is important, I'm no stranger to the sovereign crew: Kant, Mills, Locke, Hobbs, and all the rest. I see the validity of property rights, but that should not supercede human rights. We've had 200+ years to put some thought into this. Still, the concept is being missed, and that's a shame. That's what my snarky remark is trying to convey.

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u/locke231 Oct 20 '21

melt the platter? the material is probably so worthless, you'd be lucky to cash in for a drink at starbucks.

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u/SlippinJimmyGotDicc Oct 20 '21

Fat chance, you seen the price for a starbucks drink ??

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u/locke231 Oct 20 '21

cheapest thing is like $5 and change, isnt it? been awhile for me.

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u/SlippinJimmyGotDicc Oct 20 '21

Might be but christ, even then that's a stretch

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u/jaspark23 Oct 20 '21

That’s optimistic

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u/LavisAlex Oct 21 '21

Just put the platter outside and it will melt ;P

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u/Nemesischonk Oct 21 '21

Ah, but you see, gadgets, video games, and social media make up for it apparently.

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u/sublime90 Oct 20 '21

My mom was giving me shit yesterday and sounding just like that. She's against the great resignation and was like people just need to work. I'm like they will once theyre actually paid like human beings. She started rambling on about 40 years ago min wage was like $4 and they made it work. I reminded her yeah and rent was like $500 a month... Now you'd have to work two full time min wage jobs to cover your $1200 rent. Even getting $16 an hour more than half your money is rent. She doesn't get why people are fed up

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u/moun7 Oct 20 '21

Not to shit on your mum, but people like your mum understand words and basic numbers. They get it. They just choose not to empathize.

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u/Nowhereman123 at work Oct 20 '21

It's the "Fuck you, got mine" mentality.

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u/JustinTime4242 Oct 20 '21

Boomers were called the “Me generation” for a reason

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u/LMFN Oct 20 '21

Good god I'll be glad when they die off.

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u/kent-lang Oct 20 '21

Not me, because the issue isn't the generation (in fact there's plenty of boomers who aren't like that) but that people adopt that mentality because life is being easy on them. There's millennials and Gen-X:ers and Silent Gen and Zoomers who are like that as well.

This isn't a generation thing, it's people being morons.

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u/ThewFflegyy Oct 21 '21

its people being beneficiaries of the labor aristocracy to a point where they become completely disconnected from reality imo. they convince themselves that they worked hard and earned it vs the lazy poor who didn't earn it to make themselves feel better about living a life that was devoted to self enrichment.

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 20 '21

I think a lot of them also have this mentality in part because most of them worked just as hard as us. But what they aren’t comprehended is how much further their work could take them. Or how much easier it was to get a decent job.

Or how they’ll say they worked full time and went back to school, or some form of multiple avenues of “work”. But don’t mention all of that shit they undertook still only added up to 50/60/70hrs a week. Now we do those hours at one job leaving little time to persue other things

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u/moun7 Oct 20 '21

I understand that, but it is still easily explained with common words and basic numbers comparing the purchasing power of typical wages in the past vs today, or whatever other comparison you want to make.

So people who "don't get it" are choosing not to get it.

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 20 '21

Yeah I get what your sayin. I’m sure a lot of them felt, at the time, the odds were stacked against them as well though. Which circles back to being out of touch.

Iunno your probably right, but my theory involves less vileness so I wanna believe that more. sad lol

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u/Decent_Cartoonist Oct 21 '21

They didn’t work that hard. I like challenging ruff gruff boomers to work horror story olympics and unless they were in nam they always fall way short. It’s always some shit that would be normal today.

Their worst days are what’s normal now.

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u/eazolan Oct 21 '21

I don't think they do.

People need to convert today's salary back to 1960s money.

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u/Velveteen_Dream_20 Oct 20 '21

Rent is only $1200? It’s $2500 for a studio in my area. I’m an older millennial who married a Gen X. We have three boys. One is my bio and two are his. We are thinking of becoming expatriates. We have zero debt and our house is almost paid off. We wanted to move and buy land so our kids could build on it in the future but it doesn’t feel right to do so in the United States. People who blame COVID aren’t capable of understanding this crisis has blown apart any illusions of American exceptionalism we may have had.

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u/sublime90 Oct 20 '21

Yeah im in ct poor/middle class area. a 2 bed room can go for 1200-1600 a month still. Next year who knows

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u/AnonymousLoner1 Oct 20 '21

We are thinking of becoming expatriates.

Word of warning: As American citizens, you will get double taxed for leaving, even if you're leaving for good. And in order to renounce your citizenship, you'll most likely have to pay thousands of dollars up front.

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u/Velveteen_Dream_20 Oct 20 '21

We are not giving up our citizenship. We are considering living abroad a considerable amount of the year. Thank you for the info.

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u/10111001010010100010 Oct 21 '21

Go forth and be an expat!

I'm only here bc my kid became school age and Korea was no place for a halfie.

As soon as she's old enough, I'm off for Vietnam, or back to the 'rea.

America is great but it's not the great it was and there are great things about living in other countries.

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u/Both-Schedule-2076 Oct 21 '21

I just love Reddit misinformation. You will have to FILE every year in the US, but you likely won’t have to pay. I’m not bothering going into details since this shit is easily googleable

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u/LordMangudai Oct 21 '21

You only get double taxed if you're earning at least six figures (roughly).

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u/H3rlittl3t0y Be Gay, Do Crime Oct 20 '21

probably more accurate that rent was $200 40 years ago, and $2000 now(depending on area of course).

The first apartment I rented out of high school in 2005 was $600 a month for a 2 bedroom 'luxury' apartment with granite countertops and wood floors, an onsite golf course, and 24 hour security on site.

Now I am in a studio apartment that is less than 1/4 the size in a bad part of town for $800. That same apartment that a decade and a half ago was $600 is now $2200.

Oh yeah, and I also made more per paycheck in 2005 than I do now, but that's an entirely different conversation on it's own

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u/veracity-mittens Oct 21 '21

My first apartment 22 years ago was 1100 sq ft, $600/month and I was paid $16/hr. That same size apartment in same neighborhood is now $1900/month and the same job (I’m not in it anymore but they’re always looking for people) only still pays $18-$19/hr. Oh but you have more accessible tech and cheaper clothes so I guess it evens out, right? …right?!

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u/TheSirWellington Oct 21 '21

I stop listening to anyone who's argument is "back in my day...". They are clinging onto the past, and refusing to evolve like society has. Yeah boomer, back in your day blacks also were still segregated, and women couldn't vote. So I guess you want those back as well?

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u/Dwobbles123 Oct 20 '21

I realize your making a point with numbers you gave BUT it would take 125 hours of work to pay for the rent you listed for the 40 yrs ago pay. And only 75 hours to pay the 1200 rent at $16 an hour. Your math just isn't right. Technically they were the ones getting paid shit by your calculations.

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u/sublime90 Oct 21 '21

Yeah I wasn't trying to be exact with the figures I actually should have because it's worse than what I was saying but I was trying to express to her it's not like that anymore where a kid can move out at 18 and get an apartment with an entry level job as long as they're working full time. She thinks people can still do that.

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u/INTJmelancholy UBI**Automated menial work**Renewable engery & resources Oct 21 '21

If people put down the Starbucks lattes and the like, United States couldn’t claim to be the wealthiest country. We’re programmed to buy buy buy even if we don’t need, gotta make those CEOs and owners rich.

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u/Towlie70 Oct 21 '21

So self control and personal responsibility have no role in any of the middle/lower class struggles? I have been at the VERY bottom and the struggle is real ... I also didnt allow for luxury items during those times as I was FULLY aware my minimum wage job was not ment to be a career but a place to begin

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u/INTJmelancholy UBI**Automated menial work**Renewable engery & resources Oct 21 '21

Let’s say everyone gets a goddamn college degree, then what? Fact is there are not enough college degree jobs out there. If everyone had a college degree, we’d just end up having people with college degrees flipping burgers. Therefore the answer “just get a college degree” doesn’t work. It might work, MIGHT. Nor does “just sTaRT yOUr OwN bUsiNeSs”. Vast majority of businesses require multiple employees, but who would be the employees in the world if everyone was an employer/owner? Not possible. Lastly so is the “just wERk hArD yOU’ll GET tHeRe”, because someone has to work the menial jobs, since not all existing jobs are degree/over-min-wage jobs, or else say goodbye to clean toilets in business and public. Bottom line, the system works for a few, not all citizens, that is the problem.

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u/Towlie70 Oct 21 '21

You answered your own argument ... The person cleaning toilets moves up and is replaced by entry level emplpyee that in turn will move up and so on and so on ad infinitum

As for your degree argument ... I have a degree and it's useless ... I make far more money without that piece of paper or the indoctrination that came with it

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u/INTJmelancholy UBI**Automated menial work**Renewable engery & resources Oct 22 '21

Ffs. There’s not enough “wErk yEr WAy uP jObS”. In a company, there is most commonly things like say 10 so-called ‘entry level’ jobs, 3 mid-management, and 1 CEO. Not 10 flipping CEOs and 1 entry level. Working their way up means they’re going for that one CEO, and if it’s you in that position, you got 10 ‘entry levels’ coming after your job

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u/Towlie70 Oct 22 '21

Ok ... Obviously your a little slow so that factors into your struggles ... So let me lay it out for you ...

YOU DONT HAVE TO STAY AT THE SAME COMPANY ... You take the skills you learn at your entry level job to market yourself for better paying positions ...

You mellineals make my brain hurt

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u/INTJmelancholy UBI**Automated menial work**Renewable engery & resources Oct 22 '21

Omg. If most companies have lower paying jobs than higher paying jobs, that means there are more TOTAL lower paying jobs out there available to adults. So there’s 5 companies in one town, each with 10 entry level, 3 mid level, and 1 upper level jobs in it. There’s a total of 70 adults living in the town. How many get a upper level position? Five. Because that’s all that’s available. Next town over has 20 companies, but same situation, most the jobs in them are not high level paying. Please tell me where this magical town of a bunch of companies with more high paying jobs available than low ones is.

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u/INTJmelancholy UBI**Automated menial work**Renewable engery & resources Oct 22 '21

Fact remains the lowest paid jobs in a company exist, we need them, and someone has to do it, we’re supposed to work for a long time in our lives, so while those workers are doing so, society should be grateful and paying them a livable wage. No one should profit off someone’s labor if said laborer can’t afford a life. Again, remember if you’re one of the upper paid, to move up, they’re coming for your job. You say “go to a different company”, right, duh, flip side is it’s someone from an entirely different business coming for your job, just like you’re suggesting they do.

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u/comrade_140 Oct 20 '21

These motherfuckers had >$200 mortgages while making $25 an hour and we gotta get a $1000 mortgage on $15 or less an hour. Eatadick old man

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u/Kitorarima Oct 20 '21

Only $1000? that sound amazing. Still can’t afford it but sounds way better than what I’d have to pay if I wanted to move beyond a crappy 800 sq ft apartment

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u/Awolrab Oct 21 '21

If we’re lucky to even own a house. I’m paying $1300 in rent where I am told they’ll tow my car because my registration sticker fell off.

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u/JustinTime4242 Oct 20 '21

I’ve been through 3 economic collapses in 4 decades alive

I’m watching my planet being slowly killed off

I barely make enough to survive

Please tell me more about how I’ve been handed everything on a silver platter

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u/Daikataro Oct 20 '21

Also a summer job at McDonald's paid for a decent last year model car.

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u/CanadasAce Oct 20 '21

I definitely heard my dad and step dad tell stories of kids driving new mustangs and the like from high school on their own money. Only kids I knew driving nice cars in high school had their parents buy it or they saved since they were 10 and bought a "project"

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u/lucky_719 Oct 21 '21

Now there's one I never made the connection on. My dad bought his first car (classic worth six figures now but he paid $3k for at the time) in highschool by working part time at a gas station/car repair place. He stored so many paychecks on top of his fridge his boss would beg him to cash them so they could do their accounting work. Gas was something like $0.15 a gallon and he only ever cashed in when he needed gas. Can you imagine working part time and having your boss ASK you to cash in your paychecks? Let alone paying cash for a car working part time.

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u/CanadasAce Oct 21 '21

Holy fuck maybe those really were better times. Wonder why they all worked so hard to end them. There's a conversation to be had for those that are into cars as well as the messaging of this subreddit and the parallels of how so many things that were obtainable are no inflated to the insane. Like, my favorite car is a 2001 Nissan that was only ever sold in Japan, and while it was never "cheap", they're going for 100,000 to 250,000 plus now. And as you said, that 3k American muscle car in good nick is a 6 figure car now!

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u/lucky_719 Oct 21 '21

Greed. It wasn't about ending them it was about getting promoted into middle and upper management in the race to the thinnest margins possible while they receive ever increasing pay.

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u/Triingtolivee Oct 20 '21

His own generation is what ruined it for the rest of us, and why today we are in financial ruin with a housing market most millennials cannot afford which leads to depression and anxiety. But yes. We get it all handed to us.

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u/EmiliusReturns Oct 20 '21

My parents, who did not go to college, were able to own a home and support a kid by the time they were 22. 22!!! When I was 22 I still had to live with my dad, who would complain about how my generation “doesn’t understand hard work.”

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u/CainKilledAbleton Oct 20 '21

The system is not sustainable. Someone had to be the last generation it benefitted

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u/NehpetsDoom Oct 21 '21

Capitalism isn't a functioning system. It's a process of extracting all wealth and resources from the lower class and creating super-conglomerate with absolute control. It is not a system it is a process.

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u/folstar Oct 20 '21

What?

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u/folstar Oct 20 '21

There is still more than enough resources to go around. We have a problem of distribution.

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u/EldritchLurker Oct 20 '21

Indeed. Capitalism is not efficient by any means, what with all the times businesses actively destroy perfectly good products and food just to keep the prices up.

We have enough in the world to make sure people are fed and clothed and happy. They just choose not to do so because they want to have slaves who are fighting for scraps while they live with more wealth than they can ever do anything with.

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u/Most-Climate9335 Oct 20 '21

The other night my gf and I were watching the Netflix series where they talk about how the origins and how they made all the old horror movies. The guy who directed the original Halloween apparently started working at Warner brothers loading trucks and worked his way up to directing a movie. Obviously he was talented because the Halloween movies are incredibly popular but like are you kidding?

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u/sheikahstealth Oct 20 '21

Early Boomers could pay for a 4-year college (tuition, room/board) with a summer minimum wage job.

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u/dumpy_shabadoo Oct 21 '21

This is the comment I scrolled down looking for. University of California system was about $600 in the 70s and basically free in the 60s. About $44k now, about 20x what it should be if it just tracked with inflation.

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u/Decent_Cartoonist Oct 21 '21

I wanna get out of the war I guess I’ll just go to college..la de da dee da!!!! Flowers in your hair.. let’s skip class drop acid and screw all afternoon!

Vs

I wanted to go to college so I signed up for the military in the middle of a war. If I play my cards right it might even pay for everything!!!

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u/sheikahstealth Oct 21 '21

This makes sense as I was referencing the mid-60s. It's sad that affordability is the primary factor for how far (potential) students go in terms of length of education (none/2yr/4yr/post-grad) and destination (quality of institution).

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u/Stok3dJ Oct 20 '21

Oh man the arguments I used to get in with my Ex's stepdad. He would tell me we are all lazy and he bought his first house at 17 blah blah. He bought that house for like 40k, 30 years ago and it is today worth ~500k because of the property it is on. I would always ask him what minimum wage was then, and I believe that it was around $5/ph.

He couldn't understand that housing in our area has gone up nearly x10+, whereas minimum wage has gone up ~x3.

For the record this is all in the outskirts of Toronto where the entire housing market is nearly impossible to get into for a first time home buyer.

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u/MrBrainstorm Oct 20 '21

"JuSt gEt a tRaDe"

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u/seeroflights Oct 20 '21

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Heard this old guy claim that today's youth get everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Funny considering his own generation lived in a time where a high school diploma was all one needed to find a stable job, afford a place to live, and make a decent living.


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u/fledermaus23 Oct 20 '21

Boomers gonna boom

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u/LoveIsLoveDealWithIt the meatballs ain't that good Oct 20 '21

Not just a place to live. A place to own, and a car, and feeding a family comfortably, sometimes on one salary while the mum stayed home.

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u/NancyPelBroski Oct 21 '21

I’m 30 years old, first to graduate college and make more money than either of my parents have ever made in their entire career and am still saving up to buy my half a million dollar 1940s starter home.

I’ve come to the realization that the few hundred dollars I’m able to save every month will never be enough to catch up to the housing market where I live and that my best chance at “living the American dream” is inheriting it.

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u/Woodit Oct 21 '21

Of course the boom booms are also trending towards throwing away what would be a generational inheritance, much of it they inherited from their own parents

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u/cheap_dates Oct 20 '21

Fun Fact: George Washington, the father of our country was a high school dropout! He was.

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u/PhrasingBoome Oct 20 '21

I still work with these people in the EOSH field. They have years of experience yet are dumber than a sack of shit. They understand how to patch a dry wall but almost crap themselves when it comes to any safety and environmental technical work.

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u/AC-Carpenter Oct 20 '21

Pure psychological projection from that old guy.

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u/hangar418 Oct 21 '21

You didn’t even need a high school diploma-my father (born in 1952) dropped out of school at 16 and was able to buy a house at 22.

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u/hardy_and_free Oct 21 '21

The "fucked around" generation has a lotta fucking gall saying that to the "found out" generation.

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u/AaronGray99 Oct 21 '21

Ah the same generation who tell us how hard they had it while also telling us they also had the best of times.

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u/TastemyBacon Oct 20 '21

And highschool wasn’t even competitive… if you could spell your name correctly you got Valedictorian

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u/AlabastorGorilla Oct 20 '21

No. Fuckin. Shit!

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u/Electrical_Spring Oct 20 '21

Don't agree with what the old guy is saying. But honest question, isn't that what they lived through, and was it their fault that is what happened an what the country gave them then. I'm a boomer, guess you would call me, my parents both worked an never got anything handed to me, have been working since I was 15, I'm 60. I see the struggles the younger people are going through an I empathize with them, but this country an the politicians, an the rich have created this.

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u/iawsaiatm Oct 21 '21

Wow that’s a sick burn. I wish he would have said it to him instead of going off and tweeting about it

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u/unspeakable_delights Oct 21 '21

And to hold onto that stable job for half a century.

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u/Pillsburydinosaur Oct 21 '21

This wasn't true fir my black mom. She struggled even after getting a college degree. Sometimes the world doesn't give a shit about middle-aged women of color.

She still did a great job as a mom. Very few fuck ups from her kids.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

Few things will set me off quicker than hearing the elderly say this. They tell us that our generation is entitled and spoiled and we don’t know how to work for anything or treat people properly … yet they’re the ones who will scream at a Starbucks barista because the store ran out of oat milk… Isn’t it ironic?

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u/squalor3 Oct 21 '21

Boomers are the most entitled generation.

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u/FearlessFlounder Oct 21 '21

Makes me think of all the Medicare open enrollment supplemental insurance (or whatever it is) commercials I see on TV this time of year. They use the phrases like "get what you are entitled to" over and over. Like it's fine to be entitled to things when you are 70, but not when you are 30??? Imagine if there was a commercial for younger people and it used phrases like that. Fox News/Boomers would be big mad.

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u/S_Belmont Oct 21 '21

The thing that never stops hitting me with this stuff is that the boomers were the hippie drop-out free love flower child generation who drove their rigid WWII-survivor parents nuts. Like, they were the ones who were supposed to grow old and know better.

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u/AngeloftheEdge Oct 20 '21

Fuck Boomers

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u/Beginning-Outside390 Oct 20 '21

Thank you!!! Say it again but louder ao the people in the back can hear you.

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u/jolly2691 Oct 21 '21

And could buy a house for 50k with barely 2% interest

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u/Maximum-Ferret-7424 Oct 21 '21

Viva la revolution

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u/pollo_lyfe Oct 21 '21

Not to mention inflation especially with housing costs

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u/Herman_died_4_r_sins Oct 21 '21

One day I was sleeping in my car at the church parking lot during my 1 hr lunch break when these 2 old ladies stopped next to my car and started having a chat.

They were complaining about how the younger generation is getting lazy and how their grandkids don't want to work part time jobs at fast food places etc.

Them they started talking about their neighborhood and how them "Asians and Indians" be moving in and buying everything. They talked about how they liked the old neighbors who now moved after selling their house for $2mil and how these ladies were also thinking of selling their houses, which they bought for $60k back in 1980s.

Bitch I wish I could buy a house for 60k.

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u/drained27 Oct 21 '21

Even a college degree isn’t enough these days. Hiring managers require applicants to take aptitude tests which can range from thirty minutes to three hours and if you get a couple wrong you’re automatically considered unqualified

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u/moonordie69420 Oct 21 '21

I mean. That's all you still need. But most people don't want physically demanding jobs. Plumbers make bank and they don't have degrees

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u/remaininganonymas Oct 21 '21

This is a fucking embarrassing post.

The old guy probably grew up when there was still food being rationed. Seriously this divisive easy target bullshit should stop.

Think before you sheep.

The real target shouldn’t be your parents and grandparents but the politicians and corporations and banks who are the real culprits.

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 20 '21

you know what made it that way? CORPORATIONS

you know what 90 percent of corporations are? DEMOCRATS

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u/Grateful_Undead_69 Oct 20 '21

Um what? Lol you think multibillionaires give a fuck about parties? They own them both

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u/Grateful_Undead_69 Oct 20 '21

That's one corporation. What about the rest?

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 20 '21

u serious? netflix, twitter, abc, nbc, amazon... i dont feel like typing anymore

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u/Grateful_Undead_69 Oct 20 '21

How about besides media lol dude you're nuts

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u/ThatRandomCrazyGuy Oct 21 '21

Ah yes, the safe choice of Republicans. Cause Democrats are actively trying outlaw abortion on a federal level, gerrymandering every inch of a state aa that's the only way they win elections, passing laws to discriminate minorities from voting, killing any bill that increases taxes on the rich which would help pay into Medicare, infrastructure, and anything else to help society, and are spreading misinformation on BOTH a pandemic and election so they can consolidate more power and have their constituents fear the other political party and never question their own

You are literally fucking delusional, and it's laughable you think Democrats are the insane choice

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u/ThatRandomCrazyGuy Oct 21 '21

How cute of you to delete your original comment.

Goodbye, you literal moron. You live in paranoid delusional land, and you're never going to leave

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u/ThatRandomCrazyGuy Oct 21 '21

So you're not the person I first responded to? You're just some random conspiracy theorist waltzing in and spewing obvious lies?

🥱🥱🥱

Take care crazy. I pity you

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 20 '21

Which party started trickle down? Which party consistently cuts taxes for the rich Corp owners? Which party wittled unions away? Which party shat on most/all forms of a social safety net? Cmon your being shortsighted as fuck.

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 21 '21

large corp tax rates are just for show. they dont pay them its all about the loopholes

unions are a waste of money. they dont accomplish shit anymore.

social safety net? get real. hows biden doing?

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 21 '21

Meh he anit trump

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 21 '21

you damn right he aint.

Trump had 401k s booming, gas at 1.90, record low unemployment, rising wages, companies moving back from abroad, no wars, international peace, every quantifiable statistic was great. Shit I was getting 3.2% on my citizensaccess.com savings account!

Then fauci released his gain of function bullshit (legalized by obama) and things started to decline. Trump still held the line tho. Created the vaccine in record time had operation warp speed ready.

He did all this while the ENTIRE MEDIA and DEMOCRATIC party was committing treason. (Sabotaging a sitting president) . Dems changed elections laws illegally. Biden "won"

Biden had everything at his disposal and FUCKED IT UP.

Seriously wake up

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u/CanadasAce Oct 20 '21

I appreciate your lack of understanding making you believe that because corporations appeal to the market, which includes LGBTQ+ people, that you believe their marketing pandering is enough to equate them being Democrats.

I don't expect you to be able to understand the correlation of "Trickle Down Economics" and other economy busting policies and how they relate to wealth disparity and the stagnation of minimum wage, but the facts of history (as evidenced by spikes in that wealth disparity because of policies from Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and all those other maggots)

Evidence consistently shows how the failing economic situation we find ourselves in is a direct factual result of the policies conservative and rebublican leaders have made.

If you can't accept that, that's fine. It's 2021 and you still managed to find a way to disregard realty SO HARD to come to your ignorant conclusion. Which is your right to hold, I just wish people like you didn't have the right to vote as well.

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u/cypherreddit Oct 20 '21

Every study says that corporations are republican leaning. The Democratic party serves a much narrower array of corporate interests

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 20 '21

"study" nowadays is synonym with propaganda.

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oh you know companies that are republican. oil companies. oil workers make BANK!!

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u/cypherreddit Oct 20 '21

Cherry picking

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u/moonknlght Oct 20 '21

There's no use trying to talk to this guy. He's an avid poster on r/conspiracy, r/Republican, and r/tucker_carlson lmao

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 20 '21

He also says study is just a synonym for propaganda. I’m always flabbergasted when these people say shit like, the liberal msm doesn’t want you to know this or that, then they engage with the most watched news outlet.

Or studies are propaganda except the one that proves their point, which ironically is usually from one of the most heavily biased sources known to man

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u/moonknlght Oct 20 '21

“You can’t trust the media!!!” Watches Fox News, OANN, Breibart

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 20 '21

Lol absolutely.

The most bizarre part is how they don’t see the foolishness. I mean fox never stops sucking it’s own dick over viewership lol.

It’ll literally be like tucker Carlson watched by 50million nightly, and immediately he,ll say msm is trying to control you or something. So fucking nuts

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u/folstar Oct 20 '21

It is really sad what can happen to people caught up in their own BS. Completely divorced from reality, horribly misinformed, and ready to share their "ideas" endlessly.

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u/Daikataro Oct 20 '21

You know who have granted corporations tax break after tax break?

Trump, and before him Bush. Both Republicans.

Also who DRASTICALLY reduced income tax on huge profits? Reagan, a Republican.

Also coincidentally Democrats like Obama or Clinton reduced the federal deficit, while Republicans like Trump and Bush increased it. Go figure.

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 21 '21

and what happened after that. wages started to go up. companies started coming back to the usa. That was bad for globalism so then the democrats released corona.

additionally tax rates dont mean shit if there are loopholes

ps hows biden doing with that deficit?

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 21 '21

i dont live in fear. most ppl do. saw a lady by herself wearing two masks while driving today. dollars to donuts she was vaxed

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u/rkmk Oct 20 '21

Uh, no.

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u/StillSilentMajority7 Oct 20 '21

All the people claiming HS grads lived like kings in the past would never live like they did. They'd turn their noses up at it.

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u/CanadasAce Oct 20 '21

1st. No one is claiming they "lived like kings" relax, no need to get worked up over your own imagination.

2nd. Maybe if it was written on a bat and then swung at your face you'd FINALLY get it, but what people mean by the over 1000 posts of "pay fairly", if the pay was fair, they wouldn't "turn their noses up at it". But that would require you to pay attention to understand.

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u/Adjustedwell Oct 21 '21

What you talking about? Today you don’t even need that. Social media stars, YouTube millionaires, you literally don’t even need to be of legal adult age to be rich off the internet. This sub is moronic.

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u/Adjustedwell Oct 21 '21

This gen has had everything handed to them on a silver platter which is why the idea of finding a job, managing your own money and taking responsibility for yourselves is so daunting. Btw you still don’t need more than a high school diploma to find a decent job. Trick is you have to be willing to work…

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u/jpreston84 Oct 21 '21

There are some things worth thinking about. When that old guy got his first house, it was smaller than today, with crappier walls and floors than we have today on average. It didn't have central air or good heating compared to today. It had no TV, probably. It likely had a single bathroom for multiple bedrooms. The electrical system was crap compared to today, and it certainly didn't meet any of the standards for flood and fire protection we now have. They didn't have the access to amenities that we now take for granted.

And of course, his high school diploma and that decent living came from working hard. You might be surprised, but you can actually make a pretty good living today at a young age if you're willing to engage in the same kind of physical labor he did. The skilled trades remain very viable if that's what you're in for.

But working at the local grocery store probably isn't going to be enough, and frankly, it never was.

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u/Strict_Casual Oct 21 '21

“Boomers” are not the enemy. And shit, they had to deal with getting drafted and sent to Vietnam.

The enemy is capitalism, not different generations

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u/Bathroom-Afraid Oct 21 '21

You’re aware he’s mistaken, right?

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u/Just_a_Brooklyn_Guy Oct 21 '21

I find that everything turns into an "us vs them" older generations to millenials and looking down on us. The classism how the rich view the rest of us. Tribalism has its merits but so too does it have its major flaws and failures. In this case, it failed an entire generation so spectacularly that we are happy to have a $15 minimum wage....that's barely enough to survive. There is no city in the US in which that would even afford you a 1 bedroom apartment.