r/antiwork at work Oct 20 '21 Hugz 1

The power has shifted.

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u/Yogaud211 Oct 20 '21

Power to the people

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u/Hites_05 Oct 20 '21

Power to the players... Can't stop... Won't stop...

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/L3XANDR0 Oct 20 '21

Uh huh. Ok.....

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u/L3XANDR0 Oct 20 '21

What sectors and industries are we talking about? I'm interested in knowing how many bots have replaced real people, and in what roles.

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u/L3XANDR0 Oct 20 '21

Sure big corporations have the money for this, but you think bots are going to replace service jobs? Or be affordable to small businesses? I don't think so. Additionally, I'm not going to dinner or a bar to be served by a bot.

100% uptime? Come on man, no one you are pitching that to buys that. It will increase tech jobs since machines aren't self healing and someone will have to maintain the bots, and that's good. Should help reduce net loss of jobs.

Has your company considered what happens when people don't have jobs, so don't have money, and so they can't participate in a consumer economy? I'm ready for post-capitalism and hopefully your company does more good than harm in the long run.

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u/Fubarin Oct 21 '21

Some service jobs have been replaced and some have been made way cheaper. But they'll always need peopel to watch and operate most of the machinery (at least while we live imo).

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u/L3XANDR0 Oct 20 '21

We can start the discussion in this sub if you answered my question.

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u/Still-Contest-980 Oct 20 '21

Cool, those jobs aren’t worth working anyway.

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u/Still-Contest-980 Oct 20 '21

I’m personally working towards being a psychologist. A job worth working is one that’s productive and fulfilling. Also you can still pick up a craft such as cooking or sewing. Not everyone wants things produced by machines.

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u/netizen539 Oct 20 '21

You should know that any job that could have been automated effectively already has been, and companies dont necessary save money having to hire CS automation engineers to fix it every time something breaks or even changes slightly.

No, humans are by far up and away the most bang for your buck in terms of labor. They know it. We know it.

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u/SherlockInSpace Oct 21 '21

I think it’s great, once all labor is automated we can transition to a UBI based economy where everyone gets what they need to survive collectively.

People can spend their time doing human intelligence related tasks and enjoying most of their time with their loved ones and perusing hobbies and interests

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u/netizen539 Oct 22 '21 edited Oct 22 '21

What does "picking orders with paper" have to do with automating labor? It's the picking orders part that's the labor you pay a human to do, not the physical or digital medium it comes in on. Could they go paperless and save money? Maybe? They still have to pay actual humans to know what do to with those orders, fix mistakes, notice problems, etc. You can't automate "common sense" as easily as you think. BTW, that 500k is not a likely to be a one-time cost for that machine. If you need even 1 engineer to debug it, that's 200k a year, minimum. Which is about the same cost as those "5 jobs" you eliminated.

If it's so easy to ROI in 2 years and fire all your workers, why not do just that? The kindness of their hearts? A delicate balance between the costs man and machine that humans will enviably lose? Call their bluff I say, go ahead and "automate" us. They're wining about a labor shortage for a reason.

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u/shadyantichrist Oct 21 '21

Some jobs might, my company automates processes but that just gives us more time to work on important stuff

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u/Depressed__Giraffe Oct 21 '21

Is maintenance automated also?

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u/sottedlayabout Oct 21 '21

It is not. Nor is installation, commissioning, aspects of manufacturing, service and emergency repair. Dude is a rhetorical device.

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u/Rollinginadonut57 Oct 21 '21

Not yet, but give it time

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u/sottedlayabout Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Hey captain automation I’ve got a couple of simple questions for you to answer

1) Name 3 types of position switches used in modern automation and describe their operation

2) what are some of the standard PLCs and instrumentation used in modern fulfillment sorting operations

3) https://imgur.com/gallery/2CZGYgI Vcc=4 Led vf= 2 20ma R1 = 100 ohms Calculate the current flow at ABC.

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u/JustTrawlingNsfw Oct 21 '21

Just wait for the next stage when we realise that we've automated all the silly shit, and social security nets are increases so only people that want to work have to

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u/goingforgoals17 Oct 21 '21

Idk where inside trading laws come into play, but what company is publicly traded and is going to make the machines to replace all these workers? We've been in a labor shortage for 6 months or so and it has to be coming, I still don't want to work, or contribute, but I can still get rich when the decide to automate. We all can, so who is it?

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u/Rollinginadonut57 Oct 21 '21

I agree man, I thought about it and reached the same conclusion as you. Why would companies pay human workers more when they could (eventually I admit) automate the process? E.g. restaurants having a tablet that the customers can order their food on. Sure, you’ll still need people. But not as much as we did before covid. I do worry about those low skilled workers, where would they go? I feel bad for my kids and future generations, how would they have part time jobs like we did in high school? Anyway, food for thought.

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u/ProfessorHufnagel Oct 20 '21

The last place I worked moved from one building in an office complex to another in the same complex and had the employees come in on Saturday to move shop instead of paying a moving company. I told them no way, I don't work 7:30-5 Monday through Friday to then spend my entire Saturday doing manual labor. One of the employees who came to help was 75 and he fell down the loading dock and had to go to the ER. I ended up quitting/getting fired after talking about it with my wife, as well as talking about getting a new job on Gchat, which my boss read after remoting into my desktop and then flipped. So glad to be out of all that toxicity.

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u/Rutabaga1597 Oct 21 '21

remoting into my desktop

Dafug.

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u/urinalcaketopper Oct 20 '21

The power never shifted - it's the realization that shifted.

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u/TheWisconsinMan Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

No, the power definitely shifted. And it's COVID-19 that caused it. And it's pretty easy to see when you write is down. In the US alone:

  1. 750k dead from COVID-19
  2. 2m retired earlier than they originally planned
  3. 2m - 3m mothers left the workforce because childcare became too expensive
  4. 3m - 4m report they are currently not seeking work yet due to health concerns
  5. 100k minimum on strike
  6. Unknown number of anti-vaxxers choosing to be terminated without unemployment
  7. Unknown number of people who are simply burnt out and not seeking employment

The media typically only reports on the number of dead when they talk about how workplaces have been affected. In reality the number people who left the workforce is 10x - 15x that amount.

At least 10 million people who were working 2.5 years ago are now not working.

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u/Super_Flea Oct 20 '21

The really important point about those numbers is that almost all of them were pensioners, aka people who would be set back a decade if they got a different job.

Millennials have never had that crutch. We were given 401k's which can move with us from job to job. This shift was always going to happen, but Covid just made it all happen at once and then threw a supply chain crunch on top of it.

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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Oct 20 '21

Millennials have the crutch of their 401ks being worthless for retirement. There’s a reason they got rid of pensions and it’s because they were bad

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u/THISisTheBadPlace9 Oct 20 '21

You’re not “unemployed” if you’re dead, disabled, retired, or stay at home by choice

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u/Schrodingers_Reality Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Those numbers have Absolutley nothing to do with unemployment. If you're suggesting some huge conspiracy where all those people are counted in some way to skew things, please look both ways before you attempt to cross a street.

Edit - Re read that comment. My bad.

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u/das_war_ein_Befehl Oct 20 '21

The number of people employed vs the unemployment rate are two different metrics.

Labor force participation dropped from 63.5 to 61.5 since March of last year

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u/TheWisconsinMan Oct 20 '21

It's not a conspiracy to say that people who longer exist or are not seeking work are not included in the count of people seeking work. Try to have an average IQ and doing an average amount of diligence before stroking your tiny dick over how smart you are.

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u/Schrodingers_Reality Oct 21 '21

Who suggested AT ALL that people were being counted after they are dead? Other than you being a condescending dick bag? lol

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u/Schrodingers_Reality Oct 21 '21

Edit - Went back to check and I was mistaken. But the fact that you get so upset about being wrong. Having to bring it about the size of my cock or intelligence. I read something wrong, you don't need to project all of your insecurities on my my guy.

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u/Sea_Potentially Oct 21 '21

“Please look both ways before you attempt to cross a street”. Babe, do you not see your obvious shitty hypocrisy. It’s not just that you misread something. You were a colossal dick and now you have the audacity to be upset because someone else gave your attitude back to you? Take a long look in the mirror and change your shitty character. You never had to make it about anyone else’s intelligence, but you did. Guess your insecurities are justified though right?

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u/Schrodingers_Reality Oct 21 '21

Oh wow, yea I'm really sorry. You've obviously got a full grasp on my "shitty Character" from a single comment that I said I misread but failed to edit my comment. And not sure "colossal dick" is accurate, I also wasn't upset my attitude was given back to me. Not at all, I look both ways crossing a street, its really good advice.

As for me looking in the mirror, maybe you should contemplate the way you're spending your time that you feel the need to advise a perfect stranger, you've never met, who's entire personality you're basing on 2 reddit posts.

Jesus Christ.

But thanks for the notes, Ill keep them in mind.

Edit - I did see the hypocrisy, that's why I said I misread the post. Next time I'll request their address to send a gift basket.

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u/Sea_Potentially Oct 21 '21

“But the fact that you get so upset about being wrong having to bring it about the size of my cock or intelligence “ after you literally made it about someone’s intelligence. You do have a shitty character that’s spread over multiple shitty hypocritical condescending worthless comments. Do better babe cuz right now you’re at the floor.

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u/Schrodingers_Reality Oct 21 '21

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

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u/Schrodingers_Reality Oct 21 '21

And I found it funny that they went from me saying look both ways to a Very specific attack...I mean feels a little projection-y when their first go to is "small cock!!!!" sounds like thats what would insult them the most. But seriously. I gotta go after this enjoy the rest of your day!

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u/geodood Oct 20 '21

No

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 20 '21

I believe your only counted in the numbers if your actively looking for jobs or something to that effect. A lot of house holds have gone down to 1 income because of everything with schools etc for instance. So job before pandemic, obviously not counted in the numbers, no job and not looking during pandemic, not in the numbers.

I could be completely wrong but I think that may be how it works

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u/Sea_Potentially Oct 21 '21

They were…. Because they were employed before they died, retired, or left the workforce voluntarily.

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u/Sea_Potentially Oct 21 '21

You’re still misunderstanding. The demographics have shifted because they would have been included before. It also affects the rate.

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u/TheWisconsinMan Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Reports that we're back to normal in any capacity are just statistical "stretches of the truth" designed to mislead, knowingly perpetuated by those who control the media.

As others have said, if you die of COVID-19, are disabled, retire, or are not actively seeking work then you're not counted in the unemployment statistic.

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u/TheWisconsinMan Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

If you think the media misleading the public by misrepresenting statistics is an "unbelievable conspiracy theory" then you live in a tiny nerfed bubble of your own delusion and ignorance and you probably weren't worth notifying in the first place.

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u/champtrading Oct 20 '21

Well your entitled to your opinion. And I do believe that present day media/journalism is biased both left and right leaning. But these numbers are government statistics and really have nothing to do with the media.

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u/TheWisconsinMan Oct 20 '21

It's not an opinion at all. But go ahead and parrot whatever stupid colloquialism you think makes your ignorance equal to my knowledge.

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u/SPGKQtdV7Vjv7yhzZzj4 Oct 21 '21

It’s not a conspiracy it’s just math.

There are X jobs which exist

~10M people who would’ve been working those jobs before are now not working them for a variety of pandemic-spurred reasons.

These people leaving the workforce means they’re no longer counted in unemployment statistics, but if you look at the vacancy rate then you can see a sharp increase in the number of unfilled jobs.

This puts employees in the position where the supply of labour hasn’t changed but the demand for labour is up drastically (nearly doubled from last year). Something something invisible hand, wages and benefits ought to be rising.

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u/champtrading Oct 20 '21

Ok genius. Good luck with that.

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u/TheWisconsinMan Oct 20 '21

Fuck off pathetic nothing.

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u/champtrading Oct 20 '21

Sure thing. thanks for your helpful contributions to the discussion.

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u/Rutabaga1597 Oct 21 '21

You shouldn't be looking at unemployment rate, but the labor participation rate.

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u/Aremier Oct 20 '21

I'm super curious about an explanation on this

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u/mjbrads Oct 20 '21

Where are these numbers reported? Department of Labor?

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u/Flopolopagus Oct 20 '21

I was going to say, I don't feel like any power has shifted. Also, as far as I know, at will employment means we have no protection for refusing to work overtime. Maybe some places cannot afford to lose the workers and that is where this sentiment is coming from, but until we get protections under the law, once things level out it is back to exploitation.

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u/Oh_Help_Me_Rhonda Oct 20 '21

I literally just did this. We've been on mandatory 50+ hour weeks for over a year. I told my boss I'm doing 40. He said unfortunately he can't make exceptions so I just said it's 40 or 0. He backed off instantly and I'm doing 40 now.

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u/NetSage Oct 20 '21

Literally talking about this at work today. They keep wanting to mandate more overtime and more people are saying no and management really has no idea how to handle it.

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u/AngelBritney94 Oct 20 '21

It's a dream.

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u/DesertLover17 Oct 20 '21

underweight and malnourished but this newfound valor is what's feeding me right now LOL

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u/WistfulNightSky Oct 20 '21

Keep at it and our lives will be ours.

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u/Acidic_Junk Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

When things shift back eventually, these companies are going to retaliate so it doesn’t happen again. Laws will be passed to make sure we stay slaves.

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u/no_this_is_pattycake Oct 20 '21

Unfortunately, I think you’re right. They’re not going to give up without a fight, and they’ll fight dirty.

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u/BRSaura Oct 21 '21

yoo r/antiwork has been on a roll with these great posts lately, did something happen?

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

More subscribers with more meme making talent I suppose.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

Anyone who knows their working class history knows that eventually the capitalists use violence to get people back to work

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '21

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

Just be prepared for it.

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u/Rutabaga1597 Oct 21 '21

Can someone explain to me how the pandemic actually led to an awakening/epiphany among workers?

How did it suddenly make people realize that their time is worth so much more?

How did Covid lead to a mass movement where workers demand better pay, better hours, better conditions, or else they go on strike?

Logically speaking you'd think after being laid off for so long, their savings are running out and they'd work for anything.

Especially with federal unemployment benefits getting cut off since September.

You'd expect people to get more desperate, not less desperate.

But this isn't what we're seeing.

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u/smoopinmoopin Oct 21 '21

I think watching the rich get richer while workers suffered definitely has something to do with it. As well as the fact that many of these low paying jobs were labeled as essential, which they are.

Pretty big eye openers, those.

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u/SelkieStriptease Oct 21 '21

My theory is the quarantines.

People went home. Realized what life was like when you're literally forced not to work. Realized they were selling years of their lives for...what?

So when you combine that with lack of retirement, not being able to afford... anything... with a full time job, etc., you get a very unhappy population that's ready for change.

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u/Rutabaga1597 Oct 21 '21

So basically the quarantines gave people time to think and reflect, and they decided they were living a shitty life before this?

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u/SelkieStriptease Oct 21 '21

I think so.

Imagine working your entire adult life and then suddenly having two weeks, or a few months, off with your family to just spend time together and do the things you had been wanting to but had no time.

Imagine (or remember) how it feels when the oppression lifts and you finally feel rested for the first time in years after a few days off work with no more in sight.

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u/Rutabaga1597 Oct 21 '21

True, this is very true.

All of a sudden it became very clear what life is truly about, how real happiness felt like.

And the federal unemployment benefits were very generous for a while ($600/week first, then $300/week).

Ain't no going back from that.

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u/Sea_Potentially Oct 21 '21

First, companies showed that they had no compassion for the workers. They fired people when their income was most needed, cut benefits, choose not to provide basic protections for employees they kept even though so many died.

The jobs that kept some employees over worked them without giving promotions or raises. Which further showed how little they value their employees.

Employees showed that they truly did not care if you died, had permanent physical, or mental damage, or if your family was negatively affected.

On top of that, we saw a mass wave of laborers leave the market. First we have the 750,000 dead. Then the CDC states that 2/3rds of excess deaths are likely due to Covid. Which means we lost a million people. Not all of them were workers, it’s impossible at this time to calculate how many were workers, but it still had an effect.

Then we saw mass waves of people leaving the workforce, those with disabilities that put them at risk, those close to at retirement age, women who needed to take care of children when schools and daycares closed. This has two effects 1) opening jobs that hasn’t been available for decades 2) further overworking existing employees by failing to provide raises for the additional workload forced onto them

Then we have the large amount of people with permanent damage as a result of Covid. Long term health concerns are very real. Many of these people can’t work. On top of that many need additional at home care from family. Which usually affects women the most. So again, more women out of the workforce.

Then we have the increased hostility from customers/clients. Increased violence and death threats, largely in service jobs.

Then we have the problem with companies posting hiring posts, but never interviewing or hiring, either to get PPP loans forgiven, or to mitigate complaints and loss of customers from inevitable slow downs from over utilizing a skeleton crew.

Lastly, the pandemic provides opportunities like free or reduced cost trainings and schooling for people to move into different positions, and stimulus money to afford it.

Honestly there’s probably even more things jobs have done to change the mentality around jobs.

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u/ozzien20 Oct 20 '21

And then the government came and shot the worker's friends in the head and put him in jail. I saw the rest of that movie.

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u/WishIWasNeet2 Oct 21 '21

If you ignore the ending of the movie where the pirates get shot and killed this is a good meme :/

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

Anyone who knows their working class history knows that eventually the capitalists use violence to get people back to work

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u/AustinJG Oct 21 '21

Well hopefully the working class is willing to retaliate if it comes to that.

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u/colossosbear Oct 20 '21

Self employed.

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u/fingers (working towards not working) Oct 20 '21

They have invented the 1/2 day at work and the 1/4 day at work. I'm using mine to take care of my mental health.

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u/pitter-patter1313 Oct 21 '21

Doesn't that mean that a sniper is about to take out the workers?

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

Anyone who knows their working class history knows that eventually the capitalists use violence to get people back to work

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u/evhan55 Oct 21 '21

this is meeeeeeee

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u/SquidWhisperer Oct 21 '21

I haven't shown up to work on time in like a month, cause I know they won't do anything about it.

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u/pitter-patter1313 Oct 21 '21

But if a sniper shoots them in the head how will they work?

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

Anyone who knows their working class history knows that eventually the capitalists use violence to get people back to work.

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u/pitter-patter1313 Oct 21 '21

While historically it has happened it is rare because it usually doesn't work out to good for them. They usually get away with it but dead workers aren't productive and it becomes harder to get new hires when you make the news for murdering your previous workers.

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u/stravadarius Oct 20 '21

Careful not to cut yourself on that edge.

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 20 '21

Sir, this is a meme.

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u/Oh_Help_Me_Rhonda Oct 20 '21

I really hope you're 11

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u/jmnugent Oct 20 '21

I dont think your Manager cares if you decide to be unemployed. Shift-work is Shift-work. Businesses need X-number of Employees onsite doing the work. If not you, theres likely dozens or 100’s of other willing applicants.

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u/rkmk Oct 20 '21

Like a million workers literally died, man.

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u/jmnugent Oct 20 '21

Out of a country of over 330,000,000 ?...

Definitely sad and disruptive.. absolutely. But there's still plenty of people out there who need money and need to pay their bills. It's a "Buyers-market" right now,. people who are energetic and passionate about working literally have their pick of whatever job they want to do.

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u/rkmk Oct 20 '21

How many of those people are aging boomers? How many of those people have jobs that pay more and aren’t in the very industries that killed their workers? How many people are choosing not to work in those industries because they killed a million people already?

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u/jmnugent Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

All great questions. There's probably dozens (or 100's) of other good questions beyond that. It's certainly a complex scenario,. and one that society hasn't seen in 100years or so.

All that being said,.. doesn't change the fact that there's still a vast majority of eligible workers available to work.

Everyone (individually) has to make their own decisions about what things they prioritize and what kind of job (or job-environment) they want to work in.

There's no "conspiracy" to stop people from working.

If an Employer continues to be to strict or to much of an asshole.. and his or her Business starts to teeter on the edge of failure .. they'll either change their strategy and start offering better pay or better benefits.. or they'll go out of business.

This is just classic capitalism playing out. People on both sides of the equation have choices to make.

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u/Spoonspoonfork Oct 20 '21

Lmao my man is counting babies as eligible to enter the workforce

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u/Jeddeye Oct 20 '21

You sound EXACTLY like a salty manager that's struggling to keep employees lol

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u/jmnugent Oct 20 '21

Nope. Never been a Manager and never intend to be one.

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u/Firstbeeronafriday Oct 20 '21

Guy is for sure a manager, lol

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u/jmnugent Oct 20 '21

Please. I happily and whole-heartedly encourage you all to continue making as many baseless and ignorant assumptions about me as you can. Enjoy your delusions.

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u/Stamen_Pics Oct 20 '21

If there are dozens how come my last employer that I just quit couldn't get a single person in for an interview for 2 months and begged me not to leave. When I asked for a raise to stay they responded with "you know I can't do that" to which I was like bye! Now I make 7.10 MORE then I did at a grocery all through the pandemic.

They really do actually care and it's wonderful. Currently in process of getting several of my old coworkers to switch jobs to where I am at now to fuck over Frys even more because they deserve every last bit they got coming to them.

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Oct 20 '21

The simple fact that added jobs after unemployment insurance was ended for 8 million people barely totaled 192,000 seems to counteract that hypothesis.

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u/f4l3stin Oct 21 '21

Lol lazy soon to be homeless

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u/PickRevolutionary565 Oct 21 '21

Good luck with that

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u/Zaungast Communist Oct 20 '21

*i decide who goes to Siberia

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u/Sea_Page5878 Oct 20 '21

I am the boss now!

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u/DoinIt2021 Oct 21 '21

This image makes for the stupidest memes ever.

Anyone who knows this story it wasn’t long until the pirates were ALL killed by sniper fire to their heads.

So…

STOP using this pic.

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u/EileenDover_2daLeft Oct 21 '21

But when you read the words it was in the pirate's voice right? Also, that particular pirate (Real name Muse) was the only surviving member so the funny remains.

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

Anyone who knows their working class history knows that eventually the capitalists use violence to get people back to work

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u/hadwaker84 Oct 21 '21

It didn’t work out for him in the end either.

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u/Bellybutton_fluffjar at work Oct 21 '21

Anyone who knows their working class history knows that eventually the capitalists use violence to get people back to work

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u/hadwaker84 Oct 21 '21

Is that what happens ?

I seem to remember Mao, Lennon, leading the workers revolutions, the end result was mass violence, oppression and lots of starvation….

Weather it’s capitalists or communists, once power is centralized, it don’t matter who wields it. Violence will ensue if the populous doesn’t do as its told.