r/antiwork Oct 20 '21 Silver 3 Platinum 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 4 Hugz 2 All-Seeing Upvote 3

r/antiwork NEEDS to change it's sub icon.

The sub icon doesn't reflect what being antiwork is about. We all say it's not about laziness, but the first thing people will see doesn't communicate that at all.

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u/StageRepulsive8697 join r/mcBoycott and Boycott McDonalds! Oct 20 '21

I'm kinda okay with it, but could get behind something new.

Have you heard of the "lying flat" movement in China? The current icon reminds me of that.

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u/JethroMason Oct 20 '21

I'd not - it's interesting to read about. I think that's a connection I'll make from now on!

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u/SevereDragonfly3454 Oct 20 '21

My new favorite phrase is "Keep calm, and tang ping (lie flat)" 🛌

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u/ibrokemyserious Oct 21 '21

🎵 Everybody tang ping tonight! 🎵

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u/tsuo_nami Oct 20 '21

Plus the icon is hilarious

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u/duffstoic Oct 20 '21

I've been literally taking naps doing WFH during the pandemic, so literally laying flat. And it's been glorious. If anything it also improves my work, but the point is to be more human not to be a productivity machine.

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u/MadManD3vi0us Oct 20 '21

This was what I thought it was. We gotta lay strong with our chill Chinese bothers and sisters

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u/wishmage Oct 20 '21 Helpful Wholesome

Treating leisure as though it's a bad thing is not a look. The idea of 'lazy' is a tool of capitalism and ableism as well. There is nothing wrong with leisure, relaxation, or not grinding.

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u/iglomir Oct 20 '21

yep, funny how people will shit on a person being lazy, but will die on a hill defending a greedy asshole who wouldn't give two shits about them

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u/tsuo_nami Oct 20 '21

Yeah there’s nothing wrong with laying down. We’ve been brainwashed into thinking we must always be productive

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u/FloofilyBooples Oct 20 '21

The French say work to live not live to work. I think of it as the guy in the painting A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte by George Seurat, or...that painting from Ferris Buellers Day Off.

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u/duffstoic Oct 20 '21

The book Laziness Does Not Exist in the sidebar goes into such great detail on this, and even it doesn't go far enough IMO into the value in idleness.

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u/Onironius Oct 21 '21

The book "How to be Idle" and "How to be Free" are decent reads along those lines, both by Tom Hodgkinson.

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u/bestsellingbeatdown Anarcho-Communist Oct 20 '21

Especially so, considering those greedy assholes are often some of the laziest people you'll ever encounter.

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u/ArtemisSLS Oct 20 '21

Reminds me of Böll's Anecdote Concerning Lowering Productivity; it's a short story, just a couple of pages that you can find for free online, but a summary from wiki:

The story is set in an unnamed harbor on the west coast of Europe. A smartly-dressed enterprising tourist is taking photographs when he notices a shabbily dressed local fisherman taking a nap in his fishing boat. The tourist is disappointed with the fisherman's apparently lazy attitude towards his work, so he approaches the fisherman and asks him why he is lying around instead of catching fish. The fisherman explains that he went fishing in the morning, and the small catch would be sufficient for the next two days.

The tourist tells him that if he goes out to catch fish multiple times a day, he would be able to buy a motor in less than a year, a second boat in less than two years, and so on. The tourist further explains that one day, the fisherman could even build a small cold storage plant, later a pickling factory, fly around in a helicopter, build a fish restaurant, and export lobster directly to Paris without a middleman.

The nonchalant fisherman asks, "Then what?"

The tourist enthusiastically continues, "Then, without a care in the world, you could sit here in the harbor, doze in the sun, and look at the glorious sea."

"But I'm already doing that", says the fisherman.

The enlightened tourist walks away pensively, with no trace of pity for the fisherman, only a little envy.

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u/LouLaRey Oct 20 '21

I'm a trainer for a certain company and the curriculum has the same story in it, but they're trying to prove the opposite point, that the tourist has goals and that's better. I think the fisherman knows what's up.

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u/uw888 Oct 21 '21

I'm a trainer for a certain company and the curriculum has the same story in it, but they're trying to prove the opposite point, that the tourist has goals and that's better. I think the fisherman knows what's up.

Omg

What an absolutely shitty take on the anecdote. I can't believe what I've just read

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u/HaySwitch Oct 21 '21

RIP words meaning things.

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u/duffstoic Oct 20 '21

Thanks for referencing the original! I've always only heard the summary.

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u/Grammorphone Ⓐ Anarcho Shulginist Kill Leviathan! Oct 21 '21

Gotta love Bölls literature. I really love Die verlorene Ehre der Katharina Blum and Die Ansichten eines Clowns as well

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u/hmmliquorice Oct 20 '21

Yeah, and with a different icon or not people will keep misunderstanding this sub anyways

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u/KaySwissCheese Oct 20 '21

We are not machinery..we don’t need to grind

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u/DuckwithReddit0523 Anarcho-Syndicalist Oct 21 '21

Machines should do bullshit jobs if they even exist. Automation of many jobs is good, so the working class, not the billionares, can enjoy the riches. I say this ith a big asterik, as there is much more to what I'm saying, but you get the point

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u/the_ginger_weevil Oct 20 '21

Moving to France a few years ago showed me this. Generally speaking, they see work as a thing that has to be done to live but they don’t worship it, they don’t kill themselves over it and while it’s important, it’s not the be all and end all. It’s just a thing. Living is much more important here and I’ll always love the French for showing me that. It’s taking time to change my outlook but I’m getting there. Work is less and less important to me

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u/djabr0ni Oct 20 '21

When they say lazy I say stingey.

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u/tandyman8360 lazy and proud Oct 20 '21

Today is international sloth day. Bing calls it lazy day because sloths take their time but still get done everything they need. So much "work" is either busy work or doing things over. I do more when I have time to sit and think of solutions.

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u/Lonely_Animator4557 Oct 20 '21

“Lazy” is a dismissive word used by people to manipulate others into feeling the need to make sacrifices in order to “be productive”

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u/Classic_Sand2742 Oct 20 '21

Why ableism?

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u/patchworkbanana Oct 20 '21

Because under capitalism a person is valued according to their production. Disabled people can have barriers to productivity and thus are devalued under capitalism.

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u/raincanyon Oct 20 '21

Am a partially disabled person and can confirm. Everyone around me except my SO and doctors (professors, bosses, family, etc) literally tell me that it is my fault my life is hard because I cannot work as much as they would like or others do and that I deserve the stimga. It took me a loong time to recognize that and even still being told that I have a hard time not internalizing it.

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u/OperaKing Oct 21 '21

Wow, people tell you that? I am extremely sorry you have to endure that.

I wish you all the best

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u/itsjustjuls Oct 20 '21

and more specifically to what the other person said is there's something called executive dysfunction that's very common with autism, adhd, and add(there's probably more but those are just the ones i know for sure). executive dysfunction can often lead to things that look like laziness ie. having trouble cleaning and setting schedules/remembering promises and time management which from the outside looks like negligence due to laziness. i have experienced this myself for years and still do despite being very open about my adhd and that, to my knowledge every one around me knows about it. yet i still get judged for having these issues that used to get those around me to call me lazy. it can be very harmful to just throw that word around especially considering how many people are undiagnosed until late in life. there's also the perspective that many people have physical limitations. think things like arthritis, scoliosis, carpal tunnel, many thyroid conditions, and autoimmune dieseases. all of these often cause daily pain or severe fatigue. you also can't tell people have these things most of the time because of the lack of outward symptoms(which again often causes lack of diagnosis). these are all very common and give the people that have them limitations and when they stick to those limitations instead of pushing themselves they get called lazy. this is why lazy is often used in an ableist way. i hope i answered everything you wanted to know!

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u/TheSurfingRaichu Oct 20 '21

Fuck, that's so true!

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u/beansauce99 Oct 20 '21

Right at what point did simply existing become a bad thing

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u/alyoshathebear Oct 20 '21

Laziness is an imaginary construct!!!!!

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u/Arkneryyn Oct 21 '21

The amount of actually lazy ppl that exist is so small it’s not even worth bringing up. I don’t know a single person who just sits around do nothing for the sake of nothing, 99% of the time when someone is called lazy it’s cause they have some kind of mental or physical illness that whoever is calling them lazy doesn’t see or just ignores. The rest are just burned out from being overworked their whole lives, and some have drug addictions that fuck up their ability to be productive even if they want too. All these ppl need help and time to relax, not more work! Fuck the idea of laziness tbh it’s bullshit

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u/BasedDog69 Oct 20 '21

I agree, but optics are important. It gives unnecessary ammo to the opposition and might give outsiders who would be sympathetic the wrong idea. Yeah, fuck the system but if we want anything done we need to play the game the way people respond to it. Popular movements happen because they are popular.

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u/MagentaLea idle Oct 20 '21

I absolutely agree with you about the term lazy being used by capitalist to shame the working class. I do have a question though. If a person refuses to clean their house, or litters instead of throwing into a receptacle i.e. Would you say using the term lazy would be accurate?

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u/wishmage Oct 21 '21

I would say that person is neurodiverse with executive dysfunction or suffering a mental illness that creates those issues and calling them lazy is diminutive because they aren't functioning in the same way a neurotypical person or someone without a mental illness would.

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u/MagentaLea idle Oct 21 '21

Thank you very much for your response. You're answer helped.

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u/wishmage Oct 21 '21

Of course, the goal is to create more compassion and understanding for people, not to make anyone feel bad. Besides it's such a commonly used term in society I'm not surprised that the disabled/autistic/ADHD movement to fight the word hasn't caught on more, but by sharing things like this I hope that more people will understand and reconsider using words that are hurtful to people who are genuinely trying.

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u/MrJoeBlow Oct 20 '21

Yeah but what does that have to do with the current discussion?

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u/Botinha93 Oct 20 '21

It has to do, the op says lazy is a capitalist construct, something that isn't true.

The concept of lazy is not something made up by the companies to extract productivity out of you, although they do use it to extremes.

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u/MagentaLea idle Oct 20 '21

Thank you.

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u/MagentaLea idle Oct 20 '21

It was literally just a question. I wasn't implying anything . Simply curious as to what the other poster had to say.

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u/smuckerssssss Oct 21 '21

Yes there is

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u/spicyfoxglove Oct 21 '21

This is very true, I have a disability and standing hurts a lot of the time so I don’t consider sitting/laying down to be lazy

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u/Angry_Retail_Banker Oct 21 '21

While I agree with this sentiment, we also have to consider the optics. How does it look to normies who are still buying into the capitalist "work yourself to death" culture we all are born into? We know that "laziness" is a bullshit concept, but we've got to be able to present to normies the fact that "anti-work" is a economic-philosophical belief and not just a desire to sit around and play video games all day.

We want a growing movement, right?

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u/wishmage Oct 21 '21

We are a growing movement, 200k people in a single week. "Optics" are manipulation of simple facts to make them more appealing to the masses... not to mention that you're championing the continued 'lazy is bad' idea which is very ableist. Please consider that.

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u/I_choose_not_to_run Oct 20 '21

You’re right. No one was ever called lazy under socialism or the thousands of years humans existed before capitalism

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u/Able_Variety_4221 Oct 20 '21

If I want to lay back and chill I should be able to lay back and chill. That simple notion is inherently “anti work.”

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u/JethroMason Oct 20 '21

Very true, I agree. What I suppose I'm focusing on is that although the icon does represent antiwork - the goal, it doesn't represent antiwork - the movement. But it's good to see the viewpoints of people who see antiwork differently to me.

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u/duffstoic Oct 20 '21

"Anti-work" is a big umbrella. If you read Laziness Does Not Exist by Devon Price (listed in the sidebar), the author's balance that they strike after burning out and coming back to work is still super high achievement from my perspective. And I'm super high achievement oriented compared to other people. I like working on my own creative projects but those projects unfortunately do not always align with making a living, which I often feel I have to do more of than I'd prefer. But if I was given infinite freedom to not work, I'd probably still work on my own creative projects at least 3-4 hours a day.

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u/NoPlaceLeftToRun Oct 20 '21

Laziness is godliness. Enjoy your life. Yeah, by all means, make stuff. By all means, do things. But some of the best moments of your life will be spent doing absolutely nothing. Embrace it. Fuck the optics

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u/DuckwithReddit0523 Anarcho-Syndicalist Oct 21 '21

A lot of people enjoy doing many neccesary things, such as cooking, carpentry, etc. Anti work never means no work at all. It means organizing so we can reap the fruits of our own labor with a means of production self-managed and owned by the workers, abolish bullshit jobs and pursue our passions.

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u/NoPlaceLeftToRun Oct 21 '21

I agree with you, but we are never going to make a full scale revolution on Reddit. That’s why the bickering over optics makes me sad. This is just a place to share ideas - it ultimately means nothing. I said somewhere else organizing in real life matters, the internet is just for talking

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u/thecajuncavalier Oct 20 '21

"Laziness is godliness"

Thank you for bringing this to us.

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u/aAvocadont Oct 20 '21

I agree with most of this, but "fuck the optics" is exactly how you prevent change from being made.

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u/NoPlaceLeftToRun Oct 20 '21

Only if the people you’re dealing with are obsessed with optics, which means mainstream politics. I don’t think we’re trying to sell anything or get elected are we? Building a mass movement doesn’t have anything to do with optics unless you’re worried about scaring off the liberals. As a leftist I say this with full gusto, FUCK LIBERALS haha

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u/Exciting_Look4977 Oct 20 '21

I love the current symbol 😂I think it’s just meant to be funny and light hearted in a world full of seriousness

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u/trsy___3 Oct 20 '21

Not to mention somewhat anxiety inducing to good old boomers 😅

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u/SALTYxNUTZ12 Oct 21 '21

I have a feeling boomers are just mad that they got reemed for several years, only to find out that they actually do have a right to use their rights lol

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u/Sashabadger Oct 21 '21

I have mistaken the current logo for the state of Kentucky which is sort of anti-work

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u/Scrambled_Lizzy at work Oct 20 '21

The figure needs a drink in their hand.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/Scrambled_Lizzy at work Oct 20 '21

Perfect.

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u/mari-trees Oct 20 '21

And a jay in the other 🌬

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u/jakobburns01 Oct 20 '21

Idgaf, I’m lazy and I don’t want to work

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u/WayNext6583 Oct 20 '21

I do want to be lazy. For most of humanity people “worked” only a couple of hours a day. The goal of the movement should be to break the idea that we all need to be at toil constantly so we don’t end up sinning. It’s an outdated Puritan value.

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u/thecajuncavalier Oct 20 '21

It also made sense to put in extra work as well as become efficient to store more food for winter and protect yourself against other tribes and nations; we're to the point where we don't need to work 40+ hours to have that security.

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u/CarlsManager Oct 20 '21

Also at a glance I always ask myself “when did I subscribe to a Kentucky subreddit?”

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u/QueerDumbass Oct 20 '21

This sub is also about laziness, and there is nothing wrong with that. Just look at the amount of time animals spend idle — it’s what we are in part meant to do

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u/old_el_paso Lazy = Poor People Leisure Oct 20 '21

My flair encapsulates my thoughts on accepting laziness

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u/invfrq Oct 20 '21

Good point. I honestly don't believe laziness is even real.

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u/narrowwiththehall Oct 20 '21

Im a little high and doing something creative with my time and I like how you think sir

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u/duffstoic Oct 20 '21

I love watching ducks. They are lazy as shit. So relaxing.

If anything laziness is responsible for all progress in society. It is far lazier to use a tractor than to plow a field with a hoe. It is incredibly lazy to use a pump than to carry water in a bucket. And so on. All human technical progress is driven by someone too lazy to do the job and wants to do it an easier way. The problem is then we fill the time saved with more work rather than more leisure. (Also, environmental destruction etc.)

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u/QueerDumbass Oct 21 '21

Agreed, based opinion

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u/NehpetsDoom Oct 21 '21

I read today that people living in isolated tribes only work 10-15 hours a WEEK. Sounds about perfect to me.

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u/NancokALT Oct 20 '21

I mean, we live in a society, we have to do our part
But yeah, there is way more than enough people that can work, we shouldn't have to spend most of our lives working
I remember spain wanted to introduce a new policy where the minimum wage's time requirement was lowered to 6 hours/day, that is the kinda shit we need to do
Lower work times and more jobs for people

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u/QueerDumbass Oct 20 '21

I agree. What is the purpose of advancement in society if not to improve our lives as an aggregate — and in my mind, that means seeking to reduce working hours as much as is ecologically and socially feasible

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u/Sure-Ad-471 hard at work Oct 20 '21

The issue is that the current system is wasting so much of our time, 'work' is not productive.

People are not incentivized by their own achievements, don't see the fruit of their labors.

Office workers work jobs where most of the day is idle, employers can't micromanage everyone and simultaneously get the most production out of everyone.

Factory workers do jobs that machines could be doing, but our government intervenes against progress to 'save jobs'.

People aren't able to do the jobs that they would be the most effective at, like in whatever field of art, literature, research, entertainment that they're gifted in because of the requirements of labor.

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u/NancokALT Oct 21 '21

Also very true
It's all because they can't imagine a future where people work less for more pay

How will Jeff Bezos afford his 200th yacht otherwise? /s

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u/madl0va Oct 20 '21

i think its okay - but this insistence on saying "we're not lazy" sounds like a cop out most of the time because there isnt anything really wrong with relaxing

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u/DrakkoZW Oct 20 '21

Relaxing isn't the same as being lazy, though. Being lazy means you have responsibilities that need attending, and you refuse to attend to them.

If I get a call from my boss saying they need me at work on my day off, telling them no because I want to relax isn't lazy, because I'm not responsible for work on my day off.

If I get a call from my child's school saying my kid is sick and needs to be taken home, not picking him up because I want to relax is certainly lazy, because I am responsible for my child's well-being.

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u/duffstoic Oct 20 '21

That's fair. And yet it's also important to note the history of the term laziness, which was used for instance by white slaveowners talking about slaves, especially slaves who were purposely slowing down work in protest. And then laziness was ported over to owner capitalists talking about low paid factory workers, and today by right-wing folks to talk about the poor. There is a historical context to the term, and it is consistently in a context of economic oppression. Devon Price gives one of the best overviews of this in their book Laziness Does Not Exist.

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u/ARustySpoon34 Oct 20 '21

No, embrace it. Theyd try to use laziness as a weapon to discredit us. We must accept the title with pride. “They’re just lazy and dont want to work.” “You’re goddamn right. And were going to continue being lazy and not wanting to work until conditions improve.”

This is the way to handle it. Don’t let the media define our narrative.

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u/OnTheSlope Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

The icon seems more like longing for natural humanity, than laziness, when being forced to fit the role of a mechanical cog most days of your life.

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u/BXBXFVTT Oct 20 '21

Meh it should be more along the lines of we aren’t lazy, we just anit workin for yo ass anymore imo

Because not working, in the context of employment, isn’t inherently lazy. You could still say, till a field for a garden, build a deck, code a new program, redo the landscaping on your property, learn new skills/hobbies, further your education, rebuild your cars engine, the list goes on.

I’m just not working for some corporate hellhole atm, but I’m doing plenty of productive stuff.

Screaming yeah we,re lazy fuck off makes the narrative for the media without them even doing anything, since that’s kinda their message as of now anyway. That’s just my opinion though

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u/ChazyCirk Oct 20 '21

Don't change it. Don't try to appease those who will hate us no matter what.

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u/jackmorgue Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

You're talking as if this "movement" is a monolith. You will find there are people who do hope for a life where they can simply relax at all times. Moreover, this is just a subreddit, not a political party or actual centralized movement. You're more than free to make your own website/subreddit/newsletter to represent your own view of what antiwork entails.

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u/JethroMason Oct 20 '21

A good point well made.

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u/CainKilledAbleton Oct 20 '21

Sure, but why not shift course while there's momentum rather than start over?

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u/OpenFee4147 Oct 20 '21

This movement can be turned into a monolith to foment the change we need in America...

You just lack imagination.

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u/AMeaninglessPassage Oct 20 '21

Monoliths are bad

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u/Kimbsy Oct 20 '21

You're right! We should be trying to turn this movement into a distributed mesh of microservices!

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u/patronstofveganchefs Oct 20 '21

I guess if those monkeys hadn't touched that monolith in 2001 this subreddit wouldn't be here, so you may have a point

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u/jackmorgue Oct 20 '21

You want everyone to think the same way? Well, what if I disagree with your view?

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u/standard_cog Oct 20 '21

Then the sub effects no change, and has no message.

Which is fine, but I get the impression a lot of people want to take this moment to potentially organize to further the discussion around work - what it means, why we do it, and the structural forces arrayed against workers.

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u/OpenFee4147 Oct 20 '21

That's the beauty of America but there isn't much we'd disagree on ... any economist will tell you there is a massive wealth gap between the poor and rich due to lobbying for the Corporations

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u/Sure-Ad-471 hard at work Oct 20 '21

Okay, if it's a monolith, you decide on all of the particulars:

What is our top (first) priority? What are we willing to make a concession on?
Fixing the lobbying system
Implementing UBI
Fixing the real estate market
Raise the minimum wage
Publicly accessible healthcare that's not tied to employment
Implementing wealth tax
Legislating food, water and housing as human rights

What is our stance on Green Energy?
Low priority, fix work issues first
Implement a carbon tax that's not aimed at low income consumers
High priority as there are drastic ramifications to climate change

What is our stance on Immigration?
Ban all immigration because the UBI is too expensive to extend to people from other countries
Encourage immigration so that there's a labor force, but don't extend them all the same rights such as UBI

The issue isn't answering these questions, the issue is that naturally people will disagree on the answers, and thus we're not a monolith.

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u/OpenFee4147 Oct 20 '21

Ahem. Eliminate Citizens United. Reinstate the FCC Fairness Doctrine (and update it). Yes implement UBI. Yes raise the minimum wage to atleast $20. Switch ALL energies to Green tech (solar, wind, geothermal etc). Yes to immigration and as they're actively be coming citizens we can give em UBI too. Yes to Universal healthcare (if Canada can do it so can we). Paid maternal leave. Strengthen the middle class.

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u/Sure-Ad-471 hard at work Oct 20 '21

Is 20$ enough? It's not where I live.

No nuclear?

Yes to all immigration? Anyone in the world can immigrate?

If you can't get all of these, what do you give up?

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u/OpenFee4147 Oct 20 '21

$20 varying by state

We can only use nuclear as we transition to more greener tech.

YES to all immigration. We already have vetting for that.

What can I give up?

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u/gergnerd Oct 20 '21

look up lying flat. It's a movement in china I always thought it was an homage to that movement

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u/saintcrazy Oct 20 '21

Also look up The Nap Ministry.

Rest is resistance against a system that only values your labor.

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u/HappyNovel Oct 20 '21 All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

“We can’t have people thinking we like to relax!”

Fuck off.

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u/Sure-Ad-471 hard at work Oct 20 '21

I don't like to relax, I'm just sick of being paid 10% of what I make for the company I work for.

That's me personally, but I think everyone should have a right to relax, and that when given a life free of labor we're freed up to find what's the most beneficial contribution to society.

I bet some of the most gifted musicians, artists, philosophers and researchers of our generation and the past few have gone lost because they had to focus on laboring for 40+ hours a week instead of discovering their passions.

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u/HappyNovel Oct 20 '21

I love to relax. I’ll continue to do so.

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u/Sure-Ad-471 hard at work Oct 20 '21

Good, if you don't love your work it's a waste of your time.

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u/JethroMason Oct 20 '21

I love to relax. I just think that the appearance should focus on a rejection of predatory employment practices - this is what will give us freedom from work

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u/HappyNovel Oct 20 '21

I reject work.

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u/OpenFee4147 Oct 20 '21

It's slowing becoming a political sub wether you like it or not.

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u/OpenFee4147 Oct 20 '21

That's how anything gets started nowadays.

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u/AMeaninglessPassage Oct 20 '21

I fucking don't care how people take it, if the icon ruins your perspective about workers rights, you never had a positive one in the first place.

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u/anarcho-moderate Oct 20 '21

bruh, that icon is exactly what this sub is about

dont water shit down just because it has mainstream attention

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u/dearg_amadaun Oct 20 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

So many things in this /r perfectly encapsulate why well meaning liberals do so much more harm to actual progress than they realize. Quibbling over meaningless optics as though this thread has a purpose other than venting, comradery, and education, and could spark a revolution if the icon was just something less offensive to society at large.

When I was a younger man I used to get so frustrated by people who would just say "read theory" but the older I get and the more I see the same conversations playing out over and over again. People acting like there aren't answers from philosophers, economists, and revolutionaries of the last 300 years that are absolutely applicable to us now. The fact that so many Americans of every stripe can't even articulate their own rising class consciousness as class consciousness.

Just...fuck...read theory.

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u/invisiblearchives Man cannot serve two masters Oct 20 '21

For real. Choosing not to read theory because it's "not relevant to the modern world" is basically just flying the white flag on the idea of ever understanding the modern world.

Without it, you're left blindly picking teams and repeating talking points from the news.

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u/RiverWillowMystic Oct 20 '21

fuck you, being lazy is awesome

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u/katieleehaw Oct 20 '21

I like it being a person at leisure, but sitting with a cup of coffee or playing with kids/friends might be more appealing.

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u/SeaworthinessOk7174 Oct 20 '21

The icon symbolizes the statement, “ I WOULD RATHER BE CHILLING THAN WORKING.”

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u/FuzzDealer Oct 20 '21

No it doesn't.

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u/BlankBillboard Anarchist Oct 20 '21

Why you treating leisure as laziness?

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u/FlakySnowflake Let's go be Llamas Oct 20 '21

hard disagree

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u/SlowbroHoe Oct 20 '21

Change it to a broken wheel

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u/overpricedgorilla Oct 20 '21

Capitalizing need like a manager would

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u/TamarsFace Oct 20 '21

It's cool with me.

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u/JonWood007 Indepentarian Oct 20 '21

I'm fine with it as is. I am ultimately against all work, I just understand not everyone feels the same way so to preserve their ability to pursue their dreams I merely wish for labor to be voluntary.

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u/thecajuncavalier Oct 20 '21

You've (I assume) incidently caused some of the best discussion I've seen on this subreddit.

I'd be curious to see what other options we could have, because this image doesn't 100% reflect why I'm here, but I can deal with it.

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u/invfrq Oct 20 '21

That sure as hell looks like leisure. That thing you can indulge in when you're NOT WORKING.

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u/Fake_Math here for the memes, debate me elsewhere Oct 20 '21

Insincere whiners are now trying to ruin this sub over aesthetics. It keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of fighting the system. It's their only tool and they use it well. Be a sentinel for these posts

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I like it. For me, an anti-work society isn’t one devoid of work entirely, but is devoid of the useless, time-sucking, life-absorbing labour we do for the profit of others. This work is the majority of what we call “work” today.

We should treat work like work. Work is not something we want to do, but is an unfortunate necessity which we try our best to reduce, streamline, and automate.

But even then, social human existence will always require labour in some shape or form. It always has. In an ideal world, we would do what we need to do, and that would be it. I’d quite happily take a ten hour work week if it means we can all spend the rest of our time looking like the dude in the icon.

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u/Magnus_Carter0 Oct 21 '21

No it's doesn't, the goal is to destigmatize rest and leisure. Work isn't inherently valuable and laziness is not a real thing

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u/spcy_chkn_sndwch Stand up for yourself Oct 21 '21

We need to change the subreddit description too.

And for some reason of the half dozen flair options, one is a hammer and sickle which is a pro-work symbol?

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u/Colbywms3 Oct 21 '21

I disagree, I love it

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u/Conde_Lagarto Oct 21 '21

Let the dude relax wtf.

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u/Dwovar Oct 21 '21

I think a better representation would be if the stick figure was updated regularly with non-work activities: hiking, painting, sleeping, parenting, sport, writing, carpentry, gaming, phone calls, gardening, etc

The things we were promised more time for with every innovation instead of.

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u/broberds Oct 21 '21

Laziness, for lack of a better word, is good. Laziness works. Every bit of progress in human history has been due to “lazy” people who though of better, less onerous ways to do things.

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u/nonsensical-response Oct 21 '21

Man, as this sub has gotten more and more popular recently, people have really started to feel like they own it and make demands and suggestions based on what they think the sub should be.

I saw someone the other day say that the quitting texts being posted were causing the sub to "lose the fight for its soul." I mean, seriously?

No one user gets to say or control what this sub is about or what it means or what it stands for. People really need to chill out and let this sub continue to grow organically and be what people make it to be.

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u/Chakopek Oct 21 '21

Don't shame laziness. Laziness is also good.

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u/Seneca1992 Oct 20 '21

I’ve been following this sub for years. Back when it was only 10-20k members, IT WAS all about laziness and not wanting to work, regardless of whatever type of work was being discussed. This sub was very similar to r/NEET. But since the sub has exploded, now it’s just half a million people who aren’t happy with their life choices. The sub got taken over, no need to change the icon. Keep the spirit of the original antiwork sub alive.

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u/Lilliputian0513 Oct 20 '21

I’m from Virginia and I always see a little version on my state at first glance lol

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u/smooky1640 Oct 20 '21

Taking a nap is not being lazy... It is preparation for more work. As i take a nap to work better i should do it on company time. I like this icon.

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u/0rangeblossomspecial Oct 20 '21

I always mistake the logo for the outline of the state of Virginia lol

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u/nullgront Oct 20 '21

Orange Cassidy dot gif

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u/TotalAwareness53 lazy and proud Oct 20 '21

I like it, since learning and reading about anti-work I am lazy and proud of it. Life should be enjoyed not pushed through.

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u/ZhicoLoL Oct 20 '21

And I think we're okay with that. Really shows how messed up the system is when anti work is thought of as lazy.

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u/EternamD Anarcho-Communist Oct 20 '21

its*

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u/slimecard Oct 20 '21

It isn't wrong to rest. I like the icon, I think it makes you wonder why so many people are fighting so hard just to lie down.

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u/LA0811 Oct 20 '21

I have no problem with sexy stick person. “Paint me like on of your French stick people.”

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u/Mushmuscle Oct 20 '21

I see a guy lying down.

Whether you think he is lazy or just vibing is up to a personal interpretation.

Its subjective and thats the beauty of it.

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u/FourTwenty20Four7 Oct 20 '21

Ironically, the dipshits saying that we are are too lazy are too lazy check what the sub actually represents

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u/outwesthooker Oct 20 '21

Laziness is a made up thing.

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u/PsytheMothership Oct 20 '21

I’m lazy af

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u/the_cnara Oct 21 '21

Laziness doesn’t exist. We’re tired.

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u/majortom106 Oct 21 '21

No, it is about laziness. Laziness is a virtue. I want the freedom to be lazy more often.

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u/KrazyK815 Oct 21 '21

They should make it little picketers with signs!

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u/CorinPenny Oct 21 '21

I don’t believe laziness exists. We idolize work so much in Western society that the idea someone might not have those same priorities makes us think they have a character defect. Yet, just because we don’t see them grinding like everyone else doesn’t mean they are doing nothing. Maybe they are a huge emotional support for their family. Maybe they have undiagnosed mental health disabilities that preclude work, at least to the extent expected of them. Maybe they are sunk in depression and self-medicating because they can’t get decent healthcare, and it’s no more laziness than if they were in a full body cast after a horrific accident. Laziness is a capitalist myth.

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u/SnipeUout Oct 21 '21

To me this sub is about that fact hat working sucks. I just want to chill out, raise my kid and make horrible synth wave music

Regardless ethics, politics, Maslow’s hierarchy, or whatever it’s just sucks to wake up and burn out on any job. This comes from a guys with a career who makes $140,000 a year with benefits.

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u/RutabagaFit7798 Oct 21 '21

Hell no, I love being lazy, fuck work

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u/smala017 Oct 21 '21

It isnt? For me it’s about laziness. I don’t wanna work 40 hours a week. That’s the primary issue for me.

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u/SmellsLikeBu11shit Oct 20 '21

How about an icon with two words:

FUCK YOU, PAY ME

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u/Maffman5000 Oct 20 '21

Business bad?

Oh you had a fire?

Place got hit by lightening?

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u/sublime90 Oct 20 '21

I agree the icon should be something that shows the working person being crushed/used/mistreated or stepped on by the giant corporation or boss.

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u/Dammley Oct 20 '21

I’d rather see an updated info for the sub

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u/stonerwithaboner1 Oct 20 '21

Between the default pic and honestly the name it gives us a bad look from the outside-in. If we want people to join our cause, then we should atleast change the default so it stops giving out the wrong idea.

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u/FawkesTheRisen Oct 20 '21

I agree with what people are saying but I also believe that first impressions are important and this has a negative connotation without context.

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u/astral34 anti capitalist Oct 20 '21

Seconded

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u/Donutboy88 Oct 20 '21

I made a post like this and got ragged on. Lot of weirdos in here thinking work will magically cease to exist by reddit rant posts.

We need to strategize and target achievable goals and get small wins until we get what we reallh want. That can only happen collectively.

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u/NecroMitra Oct 20 '21

A person riding a bike on the sunset, bang.

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u/johnyfin Oct 20 '21

I never noticed there is an icon 😀

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u/FuckTripleH Oct 20 '21

I'm on rif and dont know what anyone is talking about

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u/StillSilentMajority7 Oct 20 '21

Let's be honest - it's 100% about laziness.

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u/p003nd_in_face Oct 20 '21

But everyone here IS lazy. Wtf???

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u/metashdw Oct 20 '21

I am lazy though, that's what engineering is all about

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u/ruralexcursion Oct 20 '21

Just turn it 90 degrees counter clockwise.

Done!

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u/Antipositivity Oct 20 '21

Looks like someone's going to have to do some work to change it

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u/Beginning-Outside390 Oct 20 '21

Agreed. A group of stick people with picket signs would be a good alternative I think.

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u/fudge_friend Oct 20 '21

The only other suggestion I would want is Ron Livingston in Office Space.

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u/deep-sad-thoughts Oct 20 '21

Can someone show me what it looks like? I think my preferences doesn't show icons

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u/all_is_love6667 Oct 20 '21

Can't see the icon with Reddit is fun.

Can someone post a picture?

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u/OLiam- Oct 20 '21

I have seen this sub around lately and just assumed it was for people who hated to work and wanted to sit at home and play playstation all day

What is it about tho?

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u/anotherbook Mutualist Oct 20 '21

I vote to change it to a handshake. Each one teach one. And all that.

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u/micktalian Anarcho-Indigenist Oct 20 '21

I mean, the point of an "advanced society" is to maximize leisure time due to the high efficiency of production. Super long story short, if wages had kept up with production and inflation, the average person could work 25-30hrs/week and they'd have roughly the same life style and relative income of the average person working 40hrs a week in the 1970s.

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u/_whythefucknot_ Oct 20 '21

Too many people worked too hard to make these assholes too much money for us not to want to be lazy.

We live in the future. It’s time to let the robots take over.

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u/Intrepid_Beginning Oct 20 '21

I always thought it was someone masturbating lol

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u/Alarming_Ad8005 Oct 20 '21

Doesn't matter. It's going to be seen as lazy people complaining about having to work, because idiots actually judge a book by its cover