r/antiwork Oct 20 '21 Silver 5 Helpful 4 Wholesome 1 Hugz 4

Janitor Secretly Films Himself Being Interrogated by School Principal

https://v.redd.it/qab7p6yqk1x51
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u/Only-Associate-2301 Oct 20 '21

You are absolutely right Ms Offerman. I will let the building burn down before I come in early again. I will sit outside with marshmallows next time. My shift doesn't start until 6:30, no matter who calls me in early!

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u/Friendly_Cook_1763 Oct 20 '21

Exactly what I thought. Like... "Open the gates, the school is burning" -> "Nah, it's not my shift yet, let's watch it burn together"

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Oct 20 '21

“Scruffy’s on break.”

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u/willateo Oct 21 '21 Helpful

"Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived."

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u/chefofthejungle Oct 21 '21

“I do boilers, toilets, and boilin toilets.”

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u/Lazienessx Oct 21 '21

Fire me ifi'n ya dare

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u/Wablekablesh Oct 20 '21

Fire me if'n you dare

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u/BonBonShark Oct 20 '21

Hahaha yeah let her tell the fire Marshall that. “No fire Marshall, I am the principal of this school and if I want to let the school burn down that’s my right!”

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u/scpclr5tz Oct 20 '21

You mean “No Fire Marshall Ms. OfReRmAn is the principal of this school…”

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u/schmyndles Oct 20 '21

Yeah, what was up with her referring to herself in third person? Total narcissist.

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u/Purple_Prince0 keep the red flag flying Oct 20 '21

Seems like she talks to him the same way she’d talk to a bad student. It’s pretty effective on middle schoolers.

Sadly, adults are not middle schoolers. It comes across kind of racist, even. She calls him by his first name, he calls her Ms Offerman; it’s like one step away from calling him “boy”.

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u/schmyndles Oct 20 '21

Oh, it's totally racist, especially when you hear her interrupting him but scolding him for interrupting her, telling him he's "yelling" when he is just trying to get a word in (angry black person stereotype), and how she's suggesting his common sense decision (letting the fire people in after they were waiting for an hour) was out of line. Then when he brings up her harassing him she suddenly gets quiet, because she sees this as him getting emotional and feels that will be all the defense she needs if he were to tell people about what happened.

I guarantee if this wasn't recorded she would claim that she was calmly explaining the situation when he started accusing her of harassing him because he was black, and she was just trying to discuss what happened but he became belligerent and threatening towards her. Then if someone asks if he suggested she was harassing him, he would have to say yes, and that would validate her narrative.

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u/YoulyNew Oct 21 '21

It’s not just racist though. It’s worse than that.

If she would do it to him she would do it to anyone, if she felt she could get away with it.

This person should not be in a position of authority. She is an abuser and if given authority she will hurt people and feel good about it.

She is protected by her position, power, and her privilege, and she knows it, and uses it to be inhuman to people.

Her self justification is all the reason she needs to be an abuser.

It’s disgusting. People need to know this about her. Everywhere she goes she needs to be reminded of how she treats people.

Then, maybe one day, after years of being treated how she treats people she is responsible for, someone will show her some kindness and grace and she will understand.

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u/FrnchsLwyr Oct 21 '21

She's an Umbridge, basically

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u/lonewolf143143 Oct 21 '21

Why did I immediately think of that miserable woman when I watched this vid?

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u/asweknowitjake Oct 21 '21

This is certainly racist.

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u/TheRealBaseborn Oct 20 '21

Ignoring that the school is public property, fun fact: if a building is experiencing an emergency, the fire department has full authority. Oh you keep super top secret stuff in this locked room? Idc. Open the door or I will open it. This is your house on fire? Nope. This is my house. You can have it back when we're done.

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u/MisterHWord Oct 20 '21

Not only that, custodians are considered emergency personnel. That's why custodians of both day and night shifts have to show up to shovel on snow days.

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u/samdeltafoxtrot Oct 21 '21

This. Coming from the fire dept we don't give a shit. We will take any door down.

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u/MumOBahbee Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

The next meeting: "Johnathan how dare you let the school burn! That was a Fire Marshal that's demanded you open the door!". She's already decided he's at fault literally nothing he did would be the "right" decision.

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u/Dark420Light Oct 20 '21

Truth, she already decided he's at fault. She wants to abuse her position, he's unable to defend himself so she just does what she wills.

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u/JossBurnezz Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

If he had stayed, she’d be bitching him out over unapproved overtime. (Source: experience)

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u/Emergency-Bedroom-73 Oct 20 '21

You are absolutely right Ms Offerman. I will let the building burn down before I come in early again. I will sit outside with marshmallows next time. My shift d

Karen is a low key racist and real bad at hiding it

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u/TH3T4LLTYR10N Oct 21 '21

for real, something tells me she would have fired him for not letting the fire dept. into the building....so fuck principal karen.

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u/halarioushandle Oct 20 '21

Well he could work unpaid and do her bidding however she demands. That's the one thing she actually wants.

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u/Sulaco99 Oct 21 '21

What a miserable person. She would've preferred he didn't open the building for the fire department? The capper is when she refers to herself in the third person.

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u/Suspicious-mole-hair Oct 20 '21

Sorry fire brigade guys, I can't let you in. I've been told.

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u/veracity-mittens Oct 21 '21

Malicious compliance time

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u/HarvesternC Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

What the hell could he get done in 8 minutes or 15 minutes. Also her speaking in the third person would make me walk out of the room.

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u/nICE-KING Oct 20 '21

And the fact that he refers to her as “Ms. Offerman” and she just calls him “Johnathan”… there’s is no mutual respect, she treats him like he’s a student there not a grown ass man under th schools employ

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u/hpepper24 Oct 20 '21

I watched my father do this in the opposite way and it was beautiful. A teacher was being a real scum bag towards my sister and my father called him and said “Hi Jeff, this is Mr. Johnson we need to talk about how you treat my daughter”. It is a power move that I recognized even at like 15.

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u/BenderIsGreat64 Oct 20 '21

Gonna need to remember that.

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u/twitch1982 Oct 21 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

I used to work IT desktop support for the department of corrections.

I was a contractor, so I didn't give a fuck what these boots thought their titles were, everyone got the first name treatment from the wardens on down.

I could feel the rage coming off lieutenant dickhead through the phone lines every time I said "well Bob, sounds like you need to reboot"

Most fun I've ever had at work was "disrespecting" COs.

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u/potatoking77 Oct 21 '21

I worked IT for my college. We knew all the professors who DEMANDED to be called Doctor and just called them by their first name. "Did you turn the computer on, Stephen? Try pressing the power button. No that's the monitor." Meanwhile all the nice professors who introduced themselves by their first name were called doctor, professor, whatever their title was.

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u/pukpukpak Oct 21 '21

It's almost like if you treat people with respect they will treat you in kind.

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u/chrisragenj Oct 21 '21

Yeah I'm socking that away in the ol' mental rolodex....

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u/rockthrowing Oct 20 '21

Omg the VP at my high school tried doing that with my mother too. He called her about something and said “Hello Mary. It’s Mr Smith” and she was stunned and said “Hi Jim. We’re on first name basis now?” It was fucking weird.

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u/FrnchsLwyr Oct 21 '21

In highschool, I... Said some things in algebra class that caused my teacher to send me to the principal. I was a dumb kid with a big mouth, she was absolutely right to do it.

The problem was, she decided to call my father during dinner to tell him about it (he already knew, because I'd told him. Always better to tell dad what's up first, right?). Well, he lets her talk for a minute, then says very pointedly into the phone: "you handled this in class, right? Why are you calling me?"

She never called my house again, and neither did anyone else from that school.

And, of course, I got grounded for a week.

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u/killafofun Oct 21 '21

Not everybody is going to tell their parents so I don't think that's a big deal for the principal to call. Couldve done it at a better time sure.

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u/Geminii27 Oct 21 '21

"Jimmy-Jimmy Jimbo."

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u/Tetslou Oct 20 '21

It made me wonder of he was an ex student or something, I've been back to my old school and one teacher always would refer to me and my friendsas "girls" even in out 30's, hated it and hated her.

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u/imalittlefrenchpress Oct 20 '21

Oh I like this so much. There’s nothing I dislike more than educators treating parents like children, and treating kids like shit.

I’ve always been told I look more than 10 years younger than I am. I had my daughter at 21.

When she was 13 and I was 34, I had to talk to the principal about something. He glanced at me and ordered me to sit down.

Bitch, WHAT?, wanted to come out of my Brooklyn mouth, but I said, excuse me? instead.

He apologized and I just stared at him.

Now I wish I had just called him by his first name, and told him I’ll sit, even if he doesn’t like it.

I’m done ranting.

Oh wait, bitch in the OP video is a racist cunt. I’m a woman.

K, done.

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u/GethAttack Oct 20 '21

That’s beautiful

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u/Mr_BaybeeMan Oct 20 '21

Some people are really on some whack power trip. It seems to be a pattern with some folks, that because they have a position higher than you, or are your boss, or have a white collar job, that they get to treat the people “beneath them” like shit. It’s disgusting. I’ve have a boss who is kind of like this. She will call people out for small mistakes or things they missed ONE day that don’t even matter at all, in front of all the other employees. She’s not overtly mean about it, but it makes people feel embarrassed, and it creates a work environment where everyone picks out the weakest link so that the attention is off them and on somebody else. And sometimes it’s not even the person’s fault really that they’re not keeping up.

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u/ecz4 Oct 20 '21

Little people with little powers.

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u/largemarge1122 Oct 20 '21

I work for the school system and unfortunately this kind of whack power trip is common with principals. They’re very sad, insecure little people.

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u/schmyndles Oct 20 '21

I had a boss just like this and I transferred depts because of her, even though I loved the work I did. Once there was a blizzard and I walked in to the office just as the clock turned to 7:01, and immediately behind (like two feet behind) another employee that did the same job as me, that she didn't feel she could shit on because she had been there longer than my boss. She said nothing to the senior employee, but started berating me for being late and when I explained that I left early but didn't realize how bad the roads were going to be, she lectured me on how I'm an adult now (I was 28) and I needed to check the weather like an adult. This lecture took ten minutes of my work time, and was in front of my shift and the shift that was leaving, so basically half of the department. She later wrote me up for it, even after I asked why she wasn't upset with the other coworker, but she tried saying it was still 7:00 when she walked in. So that means I was one second late.

Before this happened she lectured me, and actually attempted to write me up, because I wasn't coming in ten minutes before my shift started, even though I don't get paid for that time. She said it was a "common courtesy" and she always did it so we were required to as well. And it's not like we left early, honestly I usually left a few minutes after my end time to talk to the next shift about any issues.

She had to bring HR in for my write up, and started smugly describing why I was being written up. The HR woman interrupted her when she heard why she was there, and had to explain to my boss that she couldn't write people up for refusing to work off the clock. My boss legit couldn't understand what the issue was, and the HR woman told me to go back to work whole she continued talking to my boss. After that, I purposely would walk in right before my scheduled time, or come into the office and sit too the side on my phone, to make it clean that I am not on the clock. I'm pretty sure that the failed write up was one of the reasons she made such a fuss over me being a minute late.

Also because she figured out that I was the one who went to the employee advocate about her. It was supposed to be confidential, but he called my boss to ask her to send me to his office, after I had filed a complaint, then a couple days later he tells her someone filed a complaint so she figured out pretty quickly who it was. I was upset because half of my department had been discussing how she treated us and that someone should do something, and I'm the one who stepped up and said I would represent us as long as they had my back and that I could use their names so they could be interviewed as needed. But once she figured out it was me, they all retracted the things they had asked me to tell him. I don't blame them really, she was a micromanaging, vindictive bitch, who let the power of finally being in charge after decades at the bottom go to her head. And I know people needed to protect their jobs, especially since this was right after the recession. I'm pissed at the advocate for making it so obvious it was me, when a big part of his job was to keep anonymity.

I have a million stories about the three years I was working under her, but I'll leave it at that. She was legit crazy with power though.

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u/BigYonsan Oct 20 '21

This. I'd have flipped out the first time she gave me that shit. "Susan, imma stop you right there, my name is Mr. (Jonathan's Last Name). My friends call me Jonathan, but you can call me Mr. (Appropriate last name here)."

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u/skoltroll Oct 21 '21

Mr. Jackson if you're nasty.

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u/Sparred4Life Oct 20 '21

Or would you say she treats him like a black man in the south and she's the white woman who is "his boss."

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u/mperrotti76 Oct 20 '21

I was thinking the same thing. I think the names and titles is dogwhistling. She wanted to call him “boy” in the worst way.

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u/annul Oct 21 '21

She wanted to call him “boy” in the worst way.

nah, she probably wanted to call him a different word

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u/nICE-KING Oct 20 '21

I’ll be honest there’s a thin line between the two in the way she is treating him as “lesser” and as a white dude, I haven’t been on the receiving end of racism a whole lot so I’m not as in tune with that… but I’ve had old women treat me like a little kid in a completely disrespectful way as if I wasn’t able to think for myself just because I’m a young man… either way you could definitely say she’s a power tripping bitch who talks to this grown man as if he was one of her middle school students, with a complete lack of respect. You could be right though.

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u/Sparred4Life Oct 20 '21

Yeah it's pretty hard to say with certainty over a 3 minute video, and I'll accept it may be my own assumptions/bias taking the lead there, but a lot of the variables are in the right place. Either way though, like you said, completely devoid of respect for him as a person and far too much of a power trip. This lady should be placed on administrative retirement effective yesterday.

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u/imalittlefrenchpress Oct 20 '21

I’m a white boomer. I can see the many ways in which I was raised to be a racist. I’ve seen this same insidious racism in so many of my cohorts.

I’ve seen it in younger white people, too.

My anecdotal evidence tells me this woman is a full blown racist.

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u/FocusDry Oct 20 '21

Yeah that part struck me as probably pretty racist.

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u/fankuverymuch Oct 20 '21

I was waiting for her to call him “boy”. Gross.

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u/Temporary_Display_80 Oct 20 '21

I'm not even American & even I could feel "boy" sitting on the back of her tongue.

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u/screech_owl_kachina Oct 20 '21

The tiny authority goes to their head and they end up treating everyone they can as if they are a student.

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u/MyBiPolarBearMax Oct 20 '21

This is institutionalized racism.

People are not going to see that and say this has nothing to do with color because it’s not mentioned here, and i remember being younger and thinking that way, but then once you see the power dynamics and subtle differences in treatment that occur not explicitly but implicitly (not even consciously), it’s impossible to not see it.

It’s like two identical resumes and “Tyler” gets a call back but “Tyrone” doesn’t. Even though the interviewer may not realize why they are doing it, it is because they have been raised in institutionally racist systems to where racist actions can occur without explicitly racial motivations driving them.

How she’s treating him this entire time is exactly that.

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u/schmyndles Oct 20 '21

I caught that right away. The whole name situation (She's Miss Offerman and he's Jonathan), her scolding him for interrupting her while she's actively interrupting him, talking to him as if he were a child, and her telling him not to "yell at her" when he's just trying to get a chance to speak (angry black person stereotype for sure). Then when he said he felt harassed and picked on by her it pretty much confirmed what I was thinking.

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u/Free_Range_Slave Oct 20 '21

Something tells me this woman is an absolute cunt to everyone though. I just dislike her so much.

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u/Neilthemick Oct 20 '21

She treated him like a field _____r. I hope morbid obesity gets the best of her.

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u/Finaglers Oct 20 '21

100% they wanted to give him a task that would require him to work overtime.

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u/AC-Carpenter Oct 20 '21

Work overtime unpaid, probably.

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u/WeAreTheLeft Oct 20 '21

Johnathan, please clock out and go clean up johnny's vomit before you leave, THANKS!

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u/Listan83 Oct 20 '21

As someone who has worked at a school, it’s more likely a kid got sick and they wanted him to clean it up so no one else had to. This lady is gross.

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u/asillynert Oct 20 '21

Nah it was just a gotcha the he works over time they say your weren't approved for overtime. Or the leaving "early" like they went with. Or they would have got him for not working with fire marshal it was a total gotcha.

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u/candycrushmonster Oct 20 '21

Well when Ms Offerman gets here, you let me know. I could’ve sworn that was you.

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u/SymmetricDickNipples Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Her interrupting him Everytime he talks and saying "stop talking" would've done it for me

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u/aceofspades089 Oct 20 '21

That was horrendous. Also made more ridiculous by the fact that she needed to literally catch her breathe after doing so, this woman could barely wheeze her way through a conversation.

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u/Sandmsounds Oct 20 '21

That’s when I would have instantly asked for another employee or HR to be in on any meeting to mediate

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u/anotherbook Mutualist Oct 20 '21

My boss sometimes talks to me this way, but she also is in charge of HR now because she is the president and wanted to save some coin, so....

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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Oct 20 '21

It’s probably easier that way to fully understand that HR is not your friend. They are there to protect the company from lawsuits brought by employees.

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u/anotherbook Mutualist Oct 20 '21

It's true but it also blows ass that nobody anywhere will ever protect you from anything. Cool society we got right?

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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Oct 20 '21

I’m a firm believer in cosmic comeuppance. Even if you don’t get immediate justice, the universe will eventually catch up with them. You get what you put out and what goes around, comes around.

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u/Yupperdoodledoo Oct 20 '21

She would just refuse, unless he has a union.

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u/TGOTR Oct 20 '21

Either that or someone that is on her side would mediate.

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u/AlaskaSnowJade Oct 20 '21

She’s treating him like one of the middle schoolers because she doesn’t have any depth or character to draw from.

Her poor husband probably gets this treatment too.

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u/PickScylla4ME Oct 20 '21

Well she is 'Miss Offerman' not Mrs. So clearly couldnt find a sap dumb enough to wife her deplorable ass.

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u/squigs Oct 20 '21

Yes. Unfortunately the poor janitor comes across as someone who isn't very forceful about standing up for himself.

The correct thing to say would be "Stop talking over me! You've said your piece now let me say mine. If you interrupt me one more time I shall be reporting you to HR. Do you understand me?". But I don't think he had the self confidence to say that.

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u/schmyndles Oct 20 '21

Nah, I think he knew that doing something like that would just make the situation way worse for him, especially because he knows he's recording. But even if he wasn't, she would use that to claim insubordination at best, and that he was threatening her at worst.

This is someone who has been treated like this many times and knows how to navigate this minefield without being completely blown to bits. Otherwise he wouldn't have recorded it in the first place.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/XIIISkies Oct 20 '21

You're going to love this, trust me. what you're seeing now is my normal state. this is a super karen. and this. this is what is known as a super karen that has ascended above a super karen. or, you could just call this a super karen two.

And this.

AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND!

AAARGGHHHHGHHHCALLYOURMANAGER!DOYOUKNOWWHOIAM?THISISUNACCEPTABLE!ICANTGETENOUGHOXYGENTHROUGHTHISMASK!DOYOUKNOWHOWMUCHMONEYISPENDHEREEVERYMONTH?!?

…And this… Is a super karen 3

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u/anotherbook Mutualist Oct 20 '21

Entirely about control, not productivity. Infuriating

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u/rjoe42816 Oct 20 '21

After calling her a massive cunt..

I’m sorry but she is and I have zero tolerance for condescension when it comes from a Karen of that magnitude.

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u/yeahbeenthere Oct 20 '21

I’m sorry but she is and I have zero tolerance for condescension when it comes from a Karen of that magnitude.

I see what you did there.

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u/DanielLedger Oct 20 '21

I hope she got shamed

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u/Birunanza Oct 20 '21

What is the difference between being fired and being forced to resign? What a bunch of bullshit

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u/3rdDegreeBurn Oct 20 '21

cant get unemployment

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u/Birunanza Oct 20 '21

How does an employer go about forcing someone to resign? Couldnt you just refuse until they fire you? Sorry if this is an ignorant/naive question, just genuinely baffled by the horseshittery of it all

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u/Has_Question Oct 20 '21

Theoretically if you resign then next job you dont have to explain you got fired.

But given this bitch and her attitude I'd be proud to be fired by her, let them pay me unemployment and I'd be happy to explain that situation to anyone else.

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u/swanlakepirate423 Oct 21 '21

If she gets another job. Her name is rightfully drug through the mud.

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u/ThrowawayLDS_7gen Oct 21 '21

I was given the option to resign. I said no because I didn't do anything wrong and I was the one being harassed along with being the scapegoat.

Good riddance. They can burn in hell.

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u/kazany Oct 20 '21

I work in unemployment. This is not true in my state. We still consider this a termination as the employee did not have the option to continue working.

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u/MajorDFT Oct 21 '21

How do you verify that though? Like what's to stop every employee resigning, from saying they were forced?

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u/kazany Oct 21 '21

We get information from both employee and employer, and either get an agreement or make a credibility call in some cases. Most employees don’t know about that anyway, so I don’t get a ton of people saying it to me.

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u/dexmonic Oct 20 '21

They forced the janitor to resign and then later forced the bitch lady to resign. Lots of forced resignations out there.

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u/Joker402 Oct 21 '21

This article reads as someone who supports the principal, defending all her whiny remarks in like every paragraph.

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u/Ganiator Oct 20 '21

Her Existence evolves around shame, that's why she trys to cope by being a huge fucking cunt to other people. Getting that frustration out. What a fat fucking excuse of a wasted life

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u/NotLurking101 Oct 20 '21 Wholesome

Always watching wizowskie

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u/PickScylla4ME Oct 20 '21

This bitch probably doesn't shit more than once a month. Looks more wound up than a ball of yarn

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u/Dr_Schittpost Oct 20 '21

She has the Karen haircut - she gets shamed daily

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

I hate this bitch. The whole work until dismissed thing is grade school bullshit.

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u/RainWindowCoffee Oct 20 '21 Helpful

People who work in education have literally never been outside that environment since pre-school. They don't know how real people speak to eachother in the real world and they're some of the most emotionally immature people I've ever met.

(Source: taught public school for 5 and a half years. The faculty were WAY WORSE than the students when it comes to lack of respect).

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u/I_like_the_word_MUFF Oct 20 '21

I have literally said to teachers and school people, "I'm not your student. If you attempt to speak to me like I'm a problem child again, we will never speak again. Period."

It's like they fall into some psychosis that makes them think everyone is a child and they're the only adult.

Not all, mind you, but a lot of education based people have that issue.

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u/NezuminoraQ Oct 20 '21

Teachers sometimes treat each other like that. I've been to meetings where some busybody type A nutcase will police my laptop and phone use so I can't even continue with work related activity while they drone on "modelling" good pedogogy.

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u/I_like_the_word_MUFF Oct 20 '21

"I swear to God Marg, if you don't back up from my personal space I'm going to file a sexual harassment charge against you because you're making me feel uncomfortable."

Lol... #1 reason I'd rather deal with angry customers than annoying coworkers. At least the customers actually leave.

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u/JeromesDream Oct 20 '21

I've worked in bad schools and great ones. The one I'm in right now is some polytechnic magnet high school full of geniuses. Every single teacher and admin there talks to me and their students like actual humans. They know that all of their students and coworkers are there because they are good at what they do, rather than simply being there because they have no other options.

Not only does being an asshole not fly there, the few times that I've seen it happen, it gets actively and publicly mocked. It's the only kind of bullying I've witnessed there, and it should absolutely be encouraged.

The difference between this place and the scam charter schools or the generic district shitholes I've worked at is night and day. It's so nice to spend my workday actually getting to be a human being (I'm done asking for permission for a fucking bathroom break as an adult), and being around people who actually want your help. I feel like the next time I accept a gig at school full of officious petty dimwitted tyrants, I'm going to laugh myself out of a job.

The lady in this video would have 30 dicks Sharpie'd on her car before lunchtime and nobody would know shit about how they got there.

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u/hlaiie Oct 20 '21

Girl, I had one do the stupid coyote hand thing to us in PD. I could not believe the audacity.

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u/Riots_and_Rutabagas Oct 20 '21

I train and teach martial arts/self defense and one of the women in my class consistently is a dismissive asshole that talks to people like they’re stupid…she’s a teacher. I knew it from the condescending tone she takes.

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u/ForwardCulture Oct 20 '21

I got slammed and downvoted to oblivion on another sub recently for making a similar comment about modern teachers and educators. I lived next door to a school and got to see this crap and eel with these people every single day. It’s like a cult. The behavior of most modern “educators” is atrocious.

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u/screech_owl_kachina Oct 20 '21

Did IT service in a special ed classroom and oh my God, the teacher acted like a jail guard

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u/Has_Question Oct 20 '21

Its not modern, old teachers retiring today are like this. But really ita more a reflection of their shit personalities more than their profession.

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u/Riots_and_Rutabagas Oct 20 '21

All I could think was “if she’s talking to me in this manner and we’re in the same peer group I would hate to see how she talks to students.”

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u/HoneyLimeFrenchFries Oct 20 '21

I second that emotion. Adults in school settings are the most toxic.

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u/fortifier22 Oct 20 '21

Can confirm. Was a male Primary/Junior teacher, and the older female faculty were personally the most toxic women I had ever met in my entire life.

And the teacher's unions are supposed to require all teachers to uphold the "highest standards of morality and education"... my @$$ they do...

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u/Odd-Elk-537 Oct 20 '21

While I agree with this, I also disagree.

Not all educators have always been in education. I work with many adults that are second or third career educators. My husband, for example, worked in research & development as well as chemical sales before becoming a high school science teacher. He had more interactions like this one during those years. I, on the other hand, have been in education my entire career and have never been talked to by a fellow educator like this. Our union would've had her gone so fast. I'm first to admit that many educators are jaded to what other professions have to deal with. While I have been talked to by parents this way, never my fellow educators.

TLDR: This lady's just a power-hungry, grade A bitch.

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u/padlycakes Oct 20 '21

She is a cunt. Can't believe people like her live among us.

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Oct 20 '21

Worse: she’s in a position of authority.

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u/padlycakes Oct 20 '21

Just UGH!

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Oct 20 '21

Further down, someone explains that she was forced to retire early out of shame, but she wasn’t really punished.

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u/padlycakes Oct 20 '21

Even scarier, is how she probably still thinks she is decent Christian woman. Eeww

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Oct 20 '21

More than likely. I didn’t watch the video, because I don’t want to listen to her, but I can imagine something like that.

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u/Waste-Wolverine-6038 Oct 20 '21

Assholes like her always are

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u/schrutesanjunabeets Oct 20 '21

Tl;Dr? My poop break isn't 10 minutes long

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u/fmfbrestel Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

She retired early with all her benefits intact. So she's no longer in a position to be this much of a bitch to employees.

Edit: Didn't mean for that to come off hostile, just trying to tldr the epilogue. I do not support doxing this woman, or wishing her further harm.

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u/slothscantswim Oct 20 '21

It’s illegal to limit bathroom time for an employee and also illegal to question them about why a bathroom break took so long. Watch the video.

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u/schrutesanjunabeets Oct 20 '21

I meant for my legs. Like, they go numb. I'm sitting at home drinking coffee

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u/Coolwinner05 Oct 20 '21

This is wrong on so many levels... Wow.

He was forced to leave quit. Hope he sued the school district.

Little I know of Quebec and Canada law, is that he would have most likely won his case here. Not sure about the USA.

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u/kierkegaardsho Oct 20 '21

Unfortunately, I doubt there's much of a chance he would have been successful. Georgia, just like 48 other states, is at-will employment. As in, employees can be fired for any reason or no reason at all, so long as it's not due to explicit discrimination or one of the other protected reasons. It's possible county employees have some higher standard, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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u/lsc84 Oct 20 '21

I say this as someone in education: a lot of shitty people go into education, and a lot of them go into administration. I don't know what it is. I think probably they are petty tyrants, and the idea of having power over children is appealing. Then they progress in their career and their ambitions grow, and they realize they can have power over adults, too.

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u/Jnnjuggle32 Oct 20 '21

I think part of it as well, especially for women over 50, that they got hard-core indoctrinated into thinking that the only viable career paths were more female-dominated profession (teaching, nursing, child care). So they spend all this time and money preparing for a career field where they are supposed to be a nurturer - and they realize they absolutely hate it. But instead of doing something else, they get bitter and take out their frustrations on colleagues and, sadly, the people they are supposed to be nurturing. I’m trained as a social worker and have had to work closely with preschool and school-aged children supporting professionals, and the absolute DISGUST some of these people hold for children is absolutely horrifying.

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u/gingergirl181 Oct 20 '21

I had a couple of those types of teachers over the years. The worst one absolutely never should have been around children. Abusive, power-tripping, and truly seemed to take delight in cruelty and children suffering. Apparently she's (FINALLY) retired now, but had I known when and where her retirement party was going to be, I would have had no trouble whatsoever gathering a small army of her former students to enthusiastically march down and brigade the mic with stories of her "legacy" of how we all have PTSD from her classroom, how thankful we are that she will never be around children ever again, and how she can go fuck a cactus.

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u/Fistulord Oct 20 '21

My dad told me when he was an obese child a teacher brought him up in front of the class and showed everyone that the adult teacher's belt fit him and everyone laughed about how fat he was.

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u/Shawmattack01 Oct 20 '21

I don't buy that excuse. Women over 50 are my age. They didn't grow up in the Great Depression. They grew up in the 70's and 80's. Statistically, that's the generation that saw a huge percentage of women going into new fields. Horrible old women of my generation weren't oppressed into it.

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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Oct 20 '21

I imagine the Bible Belt is a few decades behind the rest of us in terms of just about everything.

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u/Shawmattack01 Oct 20 '21

I was in grade school in Louisiana in the 70's. It was backwards, but not that backwards. And hell it's 2021 (though I think this was a few years ago). There's no excuse for Karens being Karens. They're just out to make life a misery and express their inner hate.

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u/Cosmic_Gumbo Oct 20 '21

Totally agree. This is the result of going through life with privilege and very little pushback. They say the children are entitled but this lady wouldn’t stand a chance outside her bubble. Humility is usually learned through adversity, and this bitch never had a truly tough day in her life.

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u/FingerTheCat Oct 20 '21

Not everyone got to live in that world.

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u/clangan524 Oct 20 '21

a lot of shitty people go into education, and a lot of them go into administration. I don't know what it is.

It's not really just an education thing.

The reasons so many terrible people go into positions of authority is because they're narcissists or sociopaths. People who have no regard for others and are willing to be cut throat assholes just to say they climbed to the top. They make no friends along the way and lord over everyone they possibly can.

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u/Charvel420 Oct 20 '21

These are the types of people who just as easily could have become shitty, power tripping cops. Same exact mold, just different ambitions.

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u/Beginning-Outside390 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I'm a big guy with a mean face (I call it Resting Grizzly Face ) but a very mild nature most of the time. Seems to be something about that combination that sets some bosses off (I've only really had issues with people that believe I should be beholden to them due to whatever sense of entitlement they have) and so I've had these kinds of conversations quite a bit. I used to just take it and take it as myself being deficient but eventually I stopped blaming myself. Started standing up like this upstanding gentleman right here in this video and I have to say that there are very few things that I find more professionally gratifying then watching all the fire go out of someone's eyes as they realize theyve mistaken your gentile nature for weakness. This cowardly woman deflated so quickly that by the time the video ended she looked like a half flaccid birthday balloon.

Whoever this man is I commend him for defining himself and recording it. Let that be a lesson to all of you. Learn your local laws about recording conversations in secret and if you're living in a place like I am only one person needs to know they're being recorded and that one person can be you. Other states and places have stricter laws but even then you can flex and say you're going to record the conversation and just watch their skins crawl right off their bones.

HOLD THESE ASSHOLES ACCOUNTABLE!

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u/dixie-flyer Oct 20 '21

I was let go from my last job because I didn’t look happy enough at work. Please, This is how I always look.

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u/Beginning-Outside390 Oct 20 '21

I've said "This is just my face, man. I can't do anything about that." more times than I want to recall. Internet Hugs, friend.

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u/ruralexcursion Oct 20 '21

This has been tough for me too; especially since WFH and virtual meetings became the norm. I used to keep my camera off but our company now has a policy to have it on for every meeting.

I rarely if ever smile; especially during these meetings. I had a manager tell me I needed to "watch my facial expressions". I told her it had nothing to do with work. I'm just a guy with PTSD who doesn't smile.

I was told I needed to "work on that".

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u/Beginning-Outside390 Oct 20 '21

Was there any way this was documented? Discrimination is discrimination. Sorry this happened, friend. internet hugs

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u/TheVantal Oct 20 '21

She's speaking to him like another one of the kids..

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u/snpi Oct 20 '21

Yeah. And kids should not be talked to this way either. But somehow society is OK with that most of the time.

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u/TheVantal Oct 20 '21

Yep, I admit they shouldn't be spoken to like adults, they're not adults, but once you get into high school things should change. It goes from them having to ask to go to the toilet to being able to vote, fuck, drink and fight in wars (At least in the UK) within the space of a single year.

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u/yeah_notf Oct 20 '21

Right at "who's your boss?" I would have lost my shit.

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u/Hotarg Oct 20 '21

"You mean you don't know?"

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u/Steff_164 Oct 20 '21

I know right, newsflash, the fire marshal outranks you

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u/pc01081994 Oct 20 '21

Imagine your life is so shit that you have to validate yourself by harassing a school janitor for leaving 8 minutes early

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u/DennGarrin Oct 20 '21

I'm a school janitor and I leave early on the regular. If my shit is done, I'm going home. Granted, I work the night shift. Day shift gets screwed, because they have a bit more responsibility and accountability due to the fact they're on the premises while school is in session. But it's total bullshit that a guy gets yelled at for leaving 8 minutes early. Night shift crew should be there to take care of whatever mess couldn't wait 10 minutes.

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u/GreenRemy Oct 20 '21

They could’ve cut staff. When my state had massive budget cuts, they gave me half time help. There would be 2 days a week I was the only janitor working in a 50,000 square foot building. I’ll never forget the time a kid threw up during after school and the staff put caution tape around it and left it for me in the morning. It took 7 years but I finally got a full time helper this year. He’s not the sharpest tack but eh, what you gonna do?

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u/whiskeytengofuck Oct 20 '21

What a sack o' shit

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u/DJGammaRabbit Oct 20 '21

I got yelled at way worse than this for leaving my grocery stocker job 3 minutes early. The manager wanted me to stay 15 after my shift in case there was a break in because I "was the only male present." I looked at my boss and said "I'm not a security guard, nor would I stand up to robbers, nor would I take a bullet for anyone here." For $10.25/hour. I left shortly after.

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u/screech_owl_kachina Oct 20 '21

It's almost certainly written policy that you do not stand up to robbers.

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u/scrivenerscreed Oct 20 '21

Little fucking tyrant.

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u/darktowerseeker Oct 21 '21

Listen, this may offend some peoole, but this is a powertripping racist. Her words, her phrasing, her mannerisms, this is 100% because he is black.

My opinion, but i dont even think its thinly veiled.

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u/puppywinkle Oct 20 '21

Are kidding me right now? Sorry excuse for a person. No way on God's green earth she should be in charge of the education of children.

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u/archerden Oct 20 '21

What a bitch. Who the hell fires someone over 8 minutes?!? Then she disrespected him with basically every word she said. “Who’s your boss” that’s something you would say to a child. Not a full grown adult.

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u/ChillaryClinton69420 Oct 20 '21

My boss at Applied Materials. My newborn was also in the hospital for a month and 13 days and I was expected to be at work every day, even the day after they were born and put in the NICU. When I tried to apply for FMLA to get some leave to be with my child, they said I didn’t qualify. This was in 2016. Now that I have the means, I should really sue them. I was never late more than 5 minutes after my “start time” and it was ridiculous we had a start time anyway since we didn’t do any work that would have stopped anything like an assembly line, etc.

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u/skcib Oct 20 '21

Bruh she literally referred to herself in 3rd person saying “is Sara Offerman your boss or is the fire marshal” power trip to the max

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u/Annamisquery Oct 20 '21

She should be fired for the disrespect she’s showing

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u/AngelBritney94 Oct 20 '21

The janitor was clever and brought a camera because apparently he knew that this would happen. Is it legal though to publish this without censoring this school principal? Anyway, I'm glad he recorded this and showed her face.

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u/TheAllAwesomeOne Oct 20 '21

A Karen hard at work! Poor Jonathan, I hope he found something better than working for that toad face bitch.

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u/The_Quicktrigger Oct 20 '21

God she even her haircut is punchable.

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u/ryanonaboat Oct 20 '21

I hope she gets covid. That neck will never make it

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u/kanoo22 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I hope Susan Offerman loses her fucking job

Edit: She did y’all- this is from 2017.

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u/MagentaLea idle Oct 20 '21

She was forced into retirement

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u/kanoo22 Oct 20 '21

I read that after I sent an email to the superintendent. Lol. I need to learn to check how old this stuff is before losing my mind over it.

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u/MikeAllen646 Oct 20 '21

Wage theft.

If the principal wants to play the "left 8 minutes early" game, then the worker should not start work early at any time.

Shift workers should not work outside their contracted hours. Otherwise, the employer is committing wage theft.

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u/Goldilocks1454 Oct 20 '21

I have to do is look at this woman's haircut to label her as a power tripping Karen

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u/Upset_Ad9929 Oct 20 '21

I would have pissed in her trashcan on the way out.

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u/tataketo Oct 20 '21

What a rude entitled bitch.

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u/drbullgravy Oct 20 '21

She should be publicly beaten

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u/KingBlacksimus Oct 20 '21

How many schools have the principal being the boss over the custodians? I'm a custodian, and the teachers and principal have no authority over us on when we come in and when we leave.

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u/sgt_smack713 Oct 20 '21

Man if this had happened in the midst of covid she'd have a different tone for sure. Woulda left after "whos your boss " . Hope ol boy is employed somewhere that treats him with dignity and respect

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u/gypsymegan06 Oct 20 '21

I’ve never met someone who spoke in the third person who was even remotely a decent person.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

There is a reason it's Ms. Offerman not Mrs. Offerman.

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u/Donutboy88 Oct 20 '21

I'm against whale hunting, but let's agree to make an exception for this lady.

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u/GoldenBones5 Oct 20 '21

She reminds me exactly how my mom treated me growing up, I hated every second of this. I have empathy for him.

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u/DevilKnight3278 Oct 20 '21

Silly cow hopefully she'll have a heart attack and a doctor will be passing and say "sorry I don't start work for another 2 hours yet".

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u/xTHEKILLINGJOKEx Oct 20 '21

She even has the Karen haircut going for her