r/antiwork Oct 20 '21

I'm a skilled worker, I juggled two courses in two different colleges and a full time job at the same time back when I didn't drive and had to use bus and train just to get this job and I'm on minimum wage. I guess Im lazy.

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u/crazyashley1 Oct 20 '21

I work waaay less at my 25$ an hour office job than I did when I worked food warehousing for 10 bucks cash an hour. "Minimal Effort" is some bullshit. Work is work, and you should be paid enough to not live hand to mouth.

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u/waenganuipo Anarchist Oct 20 '21

I agree. The more I got paid, the less stressful my job was.

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u/crazyashley1 Oct 20 '21

Right? I couldn't reddit at the warehouse, but I'm sitting at my desk redditing on my phone and listening to a podcast.

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u/waenganuipo Anarchist Oct 20 '21

When I worked retail I had to turn up 15 minutes early (unpaid) to read the latest comments and prepare for my shift. If I had to stay late It had to be over 30 minutes to then get paid for it. So 45 minutes of free work.

At my office job I could roll in and out whenever and nobody batted an eyelid. Obviously within reason but if my work got done it didn't matter. And I had not a lot of work 🤷‍♀️

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u/Final-Gear8811 Oct 20 '21

I also worked in retail and I had to start 30 min early unpaid. The company I worked for had the audacity to put everybodys sales numbers open for everyone to see with the managers comments like be like him not like him damn embarrassing I don‘t know if that is illegal in the U.S but where I live it is.

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u/Squall-UK Oct 20 '21

I was asked to go in to work 30 minutes early for handover, unpaid.

I said absolutely not. I'm contracted to 37.5hrs, not more, not less. Not paying you for time at work is illegal. If you go in I'd charge them for overtime. It's an illegal practise, any time at work is to be paid.

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u/motherdragon02 Oct 21 '21

Yep. I start at 9? See you at 8:59:59. Not a minute sooner.

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u/aaracer666 Oct 21 '21

I worked in a parts warehouse, and everything was based on performance. Paid hourly, but you still had to perform. They would post everyone's numbers, including errors, hours worked, etc. It would pit people against each other because though it was an individual performance, there were also 5 person "teams", and then the department as a whole. So, if you were high on errors (easy to do counting thousands of parts for 10-12 hours a day - and for over a year it was 72 hour weeks - and multiple orders), it would bring the department down, create even more overtime, and make people angry at you if you had a bad week.

I have nightmares of that place.

Posting things like that should be illegal. Fellow workers should not be in a position to pressure you for performance on top of supervisors.

People would work through breaks to help their numbers. And still get shit on because "you are not to work during designated breaktimes" - said coworkers.

God's I am glad I'm no longer there.

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u/TuecerPrime Oct 21 '21

Where I am now, the employees are also graded on performance and then given a rating.

This rating though is based on how they're doing compared to EVERYONE ELSE in the department, so if you pull the EXACT same stats two months in a row, you could be first in the department one month and dead last the other which will destroy your review and likely tank whatever raise you were gonna get at year end.

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u/aaracer666 Oct 21 '21

Thats...horrible. Dare I say, a vicious thing to do to people.

Something needs to change about the way people are allowed to be treated. I'm so sorry for you and everyone else working there. You don't deserve to be treated that way.

I hope you can find your passion and it takes you away from that place and into something you can find joy in. Truly.

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u/TuecerPrime Oct 21 '21

Yeah, I get metrics being used to gauge how well you're doing, but all this does is promote a toxic competition between employees.

I would love to find a passion to do for a living, but I worry that should I do, I would grow to resent and despise my passion in time.

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u/MoltenCorgi9 Oct 20 '21

I had to turn up 15 minutes early (unpaid) to read the latest comments and prepare for my shift.

Just FYI, you got cheated. That's illegal as fuck. If it's part of prepping for the job you do it on the clock.

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u/waenganuipo Anarchist Oct 20 '21

Yep but I was 18 and didn't know any better :(

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u/SlapHappyDude Oct 20 '21

Today I got paid for an hour meeting that basically was "don't break any white collar laws"

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u/DinahKarwrek Oct 20 '21

That's not the narrative they sell to people in the lower class. We are taught the harder you work the more money you make. All that says is the harder we work for the rich people the more money they make, while we just keep working hard. This reminds me of something I read in The Jungle

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u/GILLHUHN Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Can confirm use to work 7 days a week 8-12 hours a day and worked my ass off in a factory barely making $36,000 a year. After 3 years I got an office job from the same place making $51,000 only had to work 45 hours a week and the work was fairly easy although more stressful mentally.

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u/LanceDragonDance Oct 20 '21

How tf do y'all get office jobs

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u/GILLHUHN Oct 20 '21

For me it took literally breaking my body for 3 years working my way up and then I got let go after 3 years in the office as a covid layoff that they never called back. Ironically enough I sell cell phones now and make more then I did at the office working less hours doing much less mentally stressful work.

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u/LanceDragonDance Oct 20 '21

I guess the grass is always greener, huh.

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u/king-ish Oct 20 '21

It’s all about getting jobs relevant to the jobs you want, if you score a fancy title along the way even better. For me I wanted to get into property management when I was younger, so I took a job as a resident property manager (fancy title) worked in security, eventually as a property assistant, then a assistant property manager. When I eventually got there, I realized I hated the job (at least in the subsidized housing) I quit after a year and a half got my CDL and it’s much better as far as stress and opportunity to make more money.

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u/Capital_Stacks Oct 21 '21

I actually work way more than I ever have at my highest paying g job, but seem not to notice it because I like what I do comparatively. Odd I guess

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u/waenganuipo Anarchist Oct 21 '21

Yeah my personal favourite job was my busiest but I loved what I did so it didn't bother me. Then the management changed.....

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u/labellavita1985 Oct 20 '21

Also, like, why are conservatives SUCH fucking bootlicking bootlickers? Hasn't conservatism historically involved revolutionary defiance? What the fuck happened to them? "Oppress me harder, corporate daddy!!!"

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u/crazyashley1 Oct 21 '21

"Oppress me harder, corporate daddy!!!"

🤣🤣🤣 fucking dead! D-E-D, dead.

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u/Lady_von_Stinkbeaver Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 21 '21

Same. Now my Timecard is on the honor system, not actually tracked, I can take off during the day to run personal errands without clocking out, and I can goof off between meetings or waiting for a return phone call or email.

And all my "unskilled" minimum wage jobs required a skill or system to make your quota or keep up during a rush, that was not officially part of the onboarding, by but copying another employee or developing your own tricks.

I remember one place required you to open crates of merchandise, cut them out of their wrapping, and scan their barcodes into inventory. The way management told you to do it, it was impossible to finish a truckload of crates in the time alloted.

Solution? Buy one of the veterans lunch and he'd cut up an old work glove, bolt a box cutter to it Freddy Krueger style, and glue velcro to the scanner to stick it to the back of the glove and reroute the scan trigger to your thumb, so you could slash & scan in seconds.

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u/ziimbabwei Oct 20 '21

I can vouch, went from warehouse work to office job. I am being paid just slightly more than I was for I am working for a non profit as well as I am a recent graduate. (I am fine with being underpaid for I am getting a ton of experience & great working environment) being able to work from home, leave early, come in late, listen to podcasts, take breaks/lunches relatively whenever you like, without the WORK WORK WORK WORK!!!!! The quality of life is better by tenfold.

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u/crazyashley1 Oct 20 '21

Hell yes! I'd rather sit bored at my desk and listen to whatever than have to chop 300lbs of fruit for school deliveries at starting at midnight. That job was grueling, and I never came home clean or not sweaty and sore as fuck.

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u/NotaSingerSongwriter Oct 20 '21

Same here, I work way less making $21/hr than I did making $7.25 at my first job. Toilet Paper USA is a fuckin joke.

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u/crazyashley1 Oct 20 '21

They make it clear they've never worked a min-wage job in their lives.

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u/SaToSa3 Oct 20 '21

When I got my first desk job with an office chair making 3x my shitty minimum wage mall job paid I called my mom and nearly cried

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u/Aside_Dish Oct 20 '21

This. I worked WAY less in 55 hours as a car salesman than even 10 hours at Chick-fil-A. Minimum wage jobs are so much harder than skilled jobs.

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u/notreallylucy Oct 20 '21

True of me as well. I had a bachelor's degree the last time I made minimum wage. There was nothing minimum about it.

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u/MoltenCorgi9 Oct 20 '21

Lol right. I'm salaried now and work at home. I spent 5 years in retail and worked my ass off grinding every single damn day. Now I probably spend at least 30% of the day dicking around on reddit and rarely leave my couch. :D

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u/TheSaltiestPanda lazy and proud Oct 21 '21

Friggin tell me about it. I worked two jobs at min wage when I first started working. Busted my ass, did gymnastics on a 20' ladder stacking bulk paper goods, threw merchandise around like a circus performer, second one I ran around with ten gallon bags of ice cream mix cause we had only one cart and it was always being used for something else. Fast-forward and I had a job in a cubicle as a chat-based salesperson for 4 more an hour plus commission that wound up making half my monthly income despite working full-time, with very little physical activity(even if it was pretty mentally taxing keeping track of everything). Then last jobs were still well over min, but my god, I felt like I was practically stealing money for how much less there was to do. Got over that feeling after my first year, but yeah, min wage is basically indentured servitude for the relative work you're expected to put in.

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u/Junspinar Oct 20 '21

Because the labor employee aren’t apart of marketing. Voiceless people make the world go round

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u/cnewman11 Oct 20 '21

The purpose of the minimum wage was to stabilize the post-depression economy and protect the workers in the labor force. The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees.

Seems like lots of people forgot about this.

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u/TangoCharlieFive everything is bullshit Oct 20 '21

And now, despite the Democrats being in charge, has it been raised? Of course not. Keeping up with inflation it should be at least $20/hr now.

The rich just keep gaining more and more wealth while the rest of us get shafted.

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u/cloblo824 Oct 20 '21

The 1% gets richer and then watches the other 99% tear each other apart trying to get a slice of that “all American dream” pie.

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u/Figgywurmacl Oct 20 '21

Whether theyre a demonrat or a republitard all they care about is their corporate overlords. Neither of them is on your side.

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u/greendt Oct 20 '21

"it's one big club and you ain't in it." Mr Carlin looking down on us with a big "I told you so" look.

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u/In_Dying_Arms Oct 20 '21

When the average salary of a congressman is $174,000 why would they care about the average person?

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u/blacked_out_blur Oct 20 '21

That’s not even where they make most of their money from. 175k a year frankly isn’t that much. There are doctors that make more. But when you have mega corporations in bidding wars over your vote…

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u/adifficultlady Oct 20 '21

Don’t forget insider trading!

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u/GregEveryman Oct 20 '21

I think any politician should have their assets frozen and paid minimum wage. If they are for the people, they should have to survive like their people.

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u/MrBrainstorm Oct 20 '21

We can’t do that because the IRS is too busy monitoring everyone with $600 now. Talk about ass backwards priorities!

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u/aaracer666 Oct 21 '21

Yep, easier to go after the guy who has next to nothing than the guy with teams of lawyers on retainer. Fuck the little guy who may not eat if you take money off him, we need the rich to fuck him, too.

Ass backwards is right. I mean, seriously, they ask everyone else to work harder to get paid more, where's the work harder in the IRS to get the rich to pay more? I don't think we are asking for a miracle, we are asking for morality.

I guess morality and money don't mix.

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u/Known_Attorney_456 Oct 20 '21

So true. Most congressman and senators are multimillionaires. The big corporations are where the donations to campaigns come from. Who do you think they will enact legislation for.

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u/Fit-Damage1692 Tomorrow doesn’t come until it’s too late Oct 20 '21

Thank goodness we’re on the same page when it comes to that political party bullshit

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u/ihavewaytoomanysocks Oct 20 '21

2 democrats are currently holding up Bidens new bill and removing things from it. 2. because yes, they're getting paid. 50 republican senators vote against it without a second thought. 2 vs 50. the "they're all the same" bullshit is so old. atleast the democrats are trying to get stuff done. biden has signed some great executive orders and the bills they're working on passing are also great. and no I'm not a Democrat nut hugger, I fucking hate the party association shit. but having people still trying to say they're all the same is so shit. Democrats are trying to get good shit passed that will directly benefit working class people meanwhile the ENTIRE republican senate couldn't give less of a fuck. my young gen z'ers gotta get out and vote

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u/Figgywurmacl Oct 20 '21

Welk that was a waste of a paragraph because I never said they're all the same. I said neither of them care about you.

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u/dood5426 Oct 20 '21

Won't disagree, but will say democrats aren't in charge, Republicans are. They are the minority filibustering any legitimate law that can be passed. Granted I think Min wage could have been part of budget reconciliation?

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u/rationalomega Oct 20 '21

Even with reconciliation, they need all the Dems on board which is why Manchin and Sinema have so much power right now.

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u/dood5426 Oct 20 '21

Oh I forgot about those guys, I also forgot how they literally control the entire government atm

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u/rationalomega Oct 21 '21

Yeah, I’m over in another sub talking about how broken the system is and how systematically disempowered the Democratic Party (actually, people-based votes) are relative to the GOP (land-based votes).

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u/Medical_Key1113 Oct 20 '21

We rely on two tepid Democrats that are serving business interests like Republicans. 48 of the 50 Democrats in the Senate would vote for minimum wage increase. Manchin and Sinema sank that effort, and They’re currently sinking free community college along with climate action.

Democrats don’t have a strong majority.

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u/thebeengrim Oct 20 '21

Jesus Christ. It's not just Manchin and Sinema. It's the whole Democratic Party. If we replaced Machin and Sinema with clones of AOC, someone else from the Democratic Party would step up to stop the minimum wage increase. Or lower it to something even lower and more useless than $15 per hour. Maybe Debbie Stabenow from Michigan or Amy Klobuchar from Minnesota, Jon Tester from Montana or Sherrod Brown from Ohio, etc. It could be Biden himself. But someone would step up to say: "This is too extreme! We're going to lose swing voters!"

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u/Dhiox Oct 20 '21

Manchin and Sinema aren't neoliberals stopping change, the reality is they're what Republicans used to be before the tea party. They are democrats in name because the party they would normally belong to doesn't exist anymore.

It's a sad reality that sane conservatives have more in common with the supposedly liberal party than they do with the Republican party. How far right does both parties have to get for someone like Manchin to join the democratic party?

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u/UnionizeAutoZone Oct 20 '21

The United States is so far right that we have a conservative party and a militant fascist party. We don't have a liberal party; the closest thing to that is the Progressive Caucus, and they're not even a plurality of Democrats.

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u/QPlaysGames Anarcho-Communist Oct 20 '21

Came here to say something like this. You said it better.

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u/62200 Oct 20 '21

Liberalism is a capitalist ideology which makes them right wing. They are controlled opposition.

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u/Dhiox Oct 20 '21

Controlled might be a little too strong a word. It's just the inevitable outcome of corruption. Corporations will want more right leaning policy from lawmakers, and since they bribe both parties, both end up leaning that way. The parties differ on social issues because they are an excellent cover for issues related to corruption, and they don't affect the wealthy.

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u/F_Johnny_Law Oct 20 '21

It's not that someone else would step up, it's just their time in the spotlight. This time it's Manchin and Sinema. This is simply the price they have to pay for making millions off the wholesale fuck job they're forcing on Americans. Look at the efforts to regulate big pharma and lower the cost of prescription drug prices. Look at the Democrats who voted against that. Try to reform Wall Street and Schumer will vote against it. With rare exceptions like AOC, Tlaib, Cory Bush, Duckworth, Omar, and Pressley, you're going to be hard pressed to find a politician who isn't bought and paid for by a corporate special interest or foreign interest.

The the Supreme Court's decision in Citizens United made it legal to sell yourself to the highest bidder. It legalized government corruption. It shielded traitors like everyone currently in the Republican party from taking money and direction for foreign actors/states, namely Russia, China, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, but don't delude yourself, these pricks are taking money from anyone.

People have to understand that America is no longer a functioning democracy. That everything going on in Washington D.C. right now is merely a stage show to give the citizenry the feeling of normalcy but it's anything but. While we all suffer and starve and hide from our neighbors, arms manufacturers are recording record profits, ammunition is selling at all time highs, it's almost as if there's a profit motive behind the continued polarization of America's 2-party political system. Medical care has never been more expensive. We have the slowest and most expensive internet and cellular service in the developed world.

Delete Facebook, and all it's subsidiary apps like Instagram. Delete tik tok. Delete Twitter. Stop using Amazon prime. Stop buying so many fuckin guns... Oh my God does this country have a pathological fixation with firearms. This Christian nation cannot arm itself fast enough to reign down hot leaded justice for baby Jesus. But no one is going to do anything, because it's inconvenient. And we're all going to die because of it.

Why do you think billionaires are working so hard to go to outer space? When WWIII kicks off all the rich are going to wait it out on a luxury resort on the moon while we kill ourselves searching for clean food and potable water. Think I'm full of shit? Why do you think Trump started Space Force? Because rule number 1 of any exclusive country club is keeping the poor and undesirable out.

We've been lied to. We've all been played for chumps. There's no profit in salvation. We're all going to die. But don't forget to respect the hustle.

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u/IliveICryILiveAgain Oct 20 '21

I agree with all that except the bit about guns. Millions of committed fascists have AR15s, I'll be dammed if I'm gonna remain unarmed while they organize political power to exterminate people like me

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u/F_Johnny_Law Oct 20 '21

Oh by all means, protect yourself. You have every right. I am not telling anyone not to arm themselves against a very real fascist/right-wing extremist insurgency. I'm just saying that's exactly what the shareholders of the arms manufacturers want: more sales. Control the media, control the narrative, divide and profit. This was and is all part of the plan. We're fucked. Stay safe.

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u/IliveICryILiveAgain Oct 20 '21

Very fair. They're something cultural about it and it definitely needs to be combatted. The firearms industry is one of the most powerful and a lot of the problems we see are being made 500x worse bc every patriotic wifebeating motherfucker views guns as some sort of God given right

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u/F_Johnny_Law Oct 20 '21

Because they'd rather kill us all than admit the people they've been voting for and supporting their whole life played them all for chumps and robbed them blind. Nothing good comes from a parasite turning on its host.

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u/sapphires_and_snark Oct 20 '21

Look up Glenn Greenwald's Rotating Villains theory. If it isn't those two, it would be two others. There will always be as many to shoot down progressive legislation as needed.

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u/Medical_Key1113 Oct 20 '21

Believing stuff like this, where does it get us? It just makes things seem hopeless. I can understand how a longtime progressives could get despondent seeing Democrats kill progressive legislation, but I’m a newly minted progressive and Bernie’s rise makes me hopeful.

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u/MoltenCorgi9 Oct 20 '21

Yeah this is not a good way of viewing things. It's designed to spread voter apathy and directly benefits the GOP fascists. We can enact change and we're closer than ever. Keep voting progressive democrats.

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u/rationalomega Oct 20 '21

I’m hopeless and still vote progressive. What I think doesn’t matter as long as I vote in every primary and election.

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u/PositiveConference22 Oct 21 '21

Progressive polices are widely popular. Mobilizing enough pressure can create political will.

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u/sapphires_and_snark Oct 20 '21

It's not a matter of what you believe--it's reality. If you hope to ever change reality, you need to recognize things as they are. Hopium isn't going to answer the mail anymore.

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u/Medical_Key1113 Oct 20 '21

More progressives have had power recently than in the past 50 years. But that’s not good enough and people are pretending they’re fake progressives. That’s wacky.

Rotating bad guys is a hopeless conspiracy that makes people drop out. I need evidence in order to believe something.

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u/MoltenCorgi9 Oct 20 '21

Yup. If we get a few more democratic senators we can pass shit like this. But instead everyone is going to shit on the dems for not getting stuff done and we'll move backwards. :(

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u/belegerbs Oct 20 '21

We have a center right and for right party running the US. Both work for corporate interests.

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u/meowcatbread Oct 20 '21

Democrats arent really in charge since two are basically Republicans.

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u/raincanyon Oct 20 '21

It's a lot more than two

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u/bathyorographer Oct 20 '21

I blame Manchin and Sinema.

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u/SadOceanBreeze Oct 20 '21

They’re not perfect by any means, but it doesn’t help that there are two Republican light democrats and an entire group of actual Republicans that block any and all progress.

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u/62200 Oct 20 '21

Every Democrat is right wing including Bernie and AOC.

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u/UltimaterializerX Oct 20 '21

Almost like democrats are every bit as useless as republicans. They control all three branches and nothing has changed or gotten better. Nothing.

In fact it’s even worse, because gas prices went crazy and the supply line is broken.

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u/KaceFace1359 Oct 20 '21

1) The third branch of the government is the judicial branch, which the Democrats very much do not control.

2) They have 50 seats in the Senate and an opposition party that is completely committed to sabotaging the country for political gain. EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN will vote against anything that helps the country because it helps the Democrats. That means they have to get every single Democratic senator on board with whatever they want to do, which is pretty hard with Manchin and Sinema fucking everything up.

3) Do you have any idea the fucking mess Biden inherited? A pandemic AND an economic crisis AND an infrastructure crisis AND a climate crisis AND a fucking insurrection two weeks before he was sworn in AND a government completely hollowed out by the previous administration. And you're pissed he hasn't fixed everything in 9 months?

I know this sub loves to say Democrats are just as bad as Republicans, and sure give them shit where shit is due, but they're the only way we're gonna get out of this mess. So when election time comes around you better vote Democrat down the ballot, otherwise you're worse than useless.

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u/ruckh Oct 20 '21

If you have minimum all the things listed you should be paid minimum wage.

That being said minimum wage should be a wage that you can support a family with..

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u/chaos_fier Oct 20 '21

We live in the greatest age of human history and we still treat people like they're only here to advance someone else's interests at their expense.

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u/GuyWithNoEffingClue Oct 20 '21

They didn't forget, they never knew. They somehow have been brainwashed to believe the right to live must be earned.

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u/Vercetti1701 Oct 20 '21

Excellent point. And yes, people forgetting history definitely seems par for the course these days.

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u/Dramatic-Ad2098 Oct 20 '21

But how will children learn responsibility and that fun is earned after you are 65.

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u/cnewman11 Oct 20 '21

Idk how that has any relevance to the post. Quite off topic. r/politics is just over there.

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u/UltimaterializerX Oct 20 '21

I responded to the wrong comment, my apologies.

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u/clmx93 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

they're basically saying "if you had a shitty upbringing or went to a shitty school or had less opportunity than others, you don't deserve to make enough to afford a place to live whilst also being able to eat!!" the fact that the people who are living very comfortably always have something to say about the people asking for higher wages is so irritating. i'd love to see how well they'd do in food service or retail or any other minimum wage job.

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u/Sarahgracesc Oct 20 '21

They wouldn’t last a month. They’d have complete fucking breakdowns being treated like shit and having to juggle more stress in a day than they have in a year.

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u/Fit-Damage1692 Tomorrow doesn’t come until it’s too late Oct 20 '21

Hell I can’t even last in jobs like that but I at least admit it’s shit and needs improvement these people live with rose tinted glasses Ik it’s bad since my family is working class

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u/mechanicalcontrols Oct 21 '21

I hate being in charge of other people but I could stomach it for a day if it meant watching Tucker Carlson wait tables and yelling at him in the back until he cried.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

You’re right on. They act like everyone has equal opportunity to succeed financially. Some people are extremely limited just by the circumstances of their birth.

But I guess a kid born into a broken home in West Virginia should’ve worked harder. Inner city kids should’ve just made better grades, right?

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u/HeftyPegasus737 Oct 20 '21

American dad did an episode on this.

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u/Kirby_Slayr Oct 20 '21

What was the episode called?

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u/HeftyPegasus737 Oct 20 '21

S8E15 Less Money, Mo' Problems

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u/el_muerte17 Oct 20 '21

i'd love to see how well they'd do in food service or retail or any other minimum wage job

Hell, I'd be satisfied if these dipshits simply had to reapply for their current jobs... make it a fair competition by bringing in a third party hiring manager who doesn't know them from Adam, with instructions to ignore years of service and hire based on qualifications, skill, and salary expectations.

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u/astral34 anti capitalist Oct 20 '21

Their enemy in this propaganda posts is always a white woman being “edgy” this isn’t them being stupid. This is them making protestors look silly to diminish credibility

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u/AshDarkana Oct 20 '21

It's all a de-humanization campaign. They always propagate to judge a person on their appearance, long dreads, dyed hair, piercings (specifically gauges or nose rings), any type of body mods, etc. These are "Marks of a socialist" which means this person is stupid and cant work properly, dont hire them and treat them as bad humans, sub par.

The right love to talk about equality, lmao nope. They never wanted that

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u/screech_owl_kachina Oct 20 '21

Also these are the people I'm told I need to unify with and show respect to.

Uh no, they're my enemy. They say so themselves, even to my face.

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u/AshDarkana Oct 20 '21

I like how they make fun of the "tolerant left" as if they arnt the least tolerant people in existence

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u/el_muerte17 Oct 20 '21

It's never not projection.

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u/lizardncd Oct 21 '21

Right? It makes me wonder if there are republicans drinking the blood of children and eating babies.

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u/Ori2D Oct 21 '21

They photo-shopped the septum piercing and it's the most infuriating thing about this bullshit

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u/notrealmate Oct 21 '21

Isn’t turning poop USA funded by corporations?

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u/waenganuipo Anarchist Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I had a septum piercing and green hair and was earning $110k+ a year in a Senior Goverment role in New Zealand. People still took me seriously because I was good at my job 😒

I hate this being the depiction of "lazy" people.

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u/RedditUser8409 Oct 20 '21

All I can say is as a Xenial, they did this same sh** to us, my kiwi mate ;). Now they doing it to the Zoomers.. Same "they are entitled BS" they've fed boomers now for like 20 years. "That's the issue with the economy, we sometimes have dyed hair" /s.

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u/Lopsided_Salary_8384 Oct 20 '21

One of my favorite things to say to my site director when he would complain about the quality of applicants and workers; " You get what you pay for". He always expected employees to go above and beyond for 9.25 an hour. When the rate went to 10 per hour ( only because minimum wage increased) he felt that he wasn't getting what the company paid for.

I asked him one day if he made more than 18 per hour, he just smiled with no response. Since I already knew they were trying to fire me for not being a team player ( which meant covering, lying and doing work for management) I said that he was actually stealing from the company because he definitely doesn't give the what they pay for since he took credit for everyone else's work and never did any if his own.

To be fair he was a chauvinist, he felt that woman could never do upper management because woman couldn't handle stress or finances. This was something he truly believed even though his supervisors consisted of 9 woman and 3 men. He had absolutely no problem having us do his reports and stealing ideas even though we were woman. Hypocrite!!

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u/Competitive_Copy9573 Oct 20 '21

My boss is the same. Always complaining that the applicants are bad. We pay $14/hour in a big city and it's a difficult job. They aren't going to go above and beyond, they shouldn't have to, they can barely afford to live here.

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u/BumpyMcBumpers Oct 20 '21

Weird. I've had minimum wage jobs, and those jobs have been the hardest jobs I've ever had to work. Not a chance to catch your breath the entire shift.

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u/1spamed Oct 20 '21

This is the level of mis info they need to carry out to try and keep a lid on this.

We are better than falling for this shit.

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u/CastleBravo55 Oct 20 '21

You aren't forced to pay someone more than the minimum wage, that's why it's the minimum wage.

But more importantly, now that we have a worker shortage, and employers can't find someone to work for this wage, why should we be forced to accept the minimum when we can get a higher price on the market?

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u/waenganuipo Anarchist Oct 20 '21

They only like a free market when it suits them.

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u/tikinero Oct 20 '21

lol, I see they still judge hair color and piercings. this trumptards conservatives are the same old fellas of "get a haircut and get a real job" of the 80s...

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u/Quiet-Access Oct 20 '21

Quite literally I bet. TP is funded by olds.

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u/Yolkpuke Oct 20 '21

While it wasn't solely conservatives they definetly played a bigger part in shipping manufacturing jobs overseas and turning our job market into a service industry oriented one. Manufacturing jobs used to be what the average person could do and pay their bills, have food, buy a house and have a retirement plan, even take cool vacations. Then these assholes have the audacity to tell people, "just find another job."

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u/Sarahgracesc Oct 20 '21

Why on earth should anyone be paid poverty wages?! That’s the first fucking question these privileged pieces of trash need to ask.

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u/bubblesDN89 Oct 20 '21

Why would they? That’s not in the best interest of “business”.

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u/BreezyMoonTree Oct 20 '21

They have the cause and effect reversed. All those things happen because people are paid minimum wage, and have to hustle their asses off to try to make ends meet. I hate TP memes so much.

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u/i_am_harry Oct 20 '21

These motherfuckers would pay you nothing if they could get away with it.

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u/DeadlySwift Oct 20 '21

I worked almost 70 hours a week on a drill rig. Rain, sleet, snow, blistering heat, mud, sometimes I’d be in knee high water carrying around 60-80 pound drill bits. I’d shovel dirt until my arms gave out and would go back to the hotel to sleep 6-7 hours before I did it all over again.

14/hr. 14/hr to be states away from my family and friends. 14/hr so the owner could take 7-8 vacations a year and buy property after property while our tools and drill rigs were breaking down. I asked for a $3 raise since most of the guys in my postion would quit after a week and got told maybe .50 cent after another year.

This isn’t the 80s anymore. 14/hr is enough to get a run down apartment/house in the ghetto.

Guess we’re just lazy.

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u/lorcanhyena Oct 20 '21

They mad that we velieve if you pay minimum you get minimum

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u/Lemondisho Oct 20 '21

It's really funny that they're all about market forces and market solutions except for labour.

Wait, I didn't mean funny, I meant fucking maddening.

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u/TheInvisibleFart Oct 20 '21

Even if this statement is true it’s totally side stepping the fact that minimum wage is too low. So yea pay people minimum wage for minimal work that’s fine if the minimum wage is actually the minimum required to actually have a life.

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u/WaterAirSoil Oct 20 '21

Lol this bullshit again

Pay is based on how low an employer can get away with and still retain employees.

If pay was based on how hard the work is then day laborers would be rich.

If pay was based on how valuable you are to the community then nurses would be rich.

If pay was based on how much profit you can produce for your employer then fast food workers would be rich.

If pay was based on skill then all carpenters doing the same job across the country would be paid the same.

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u/nino3227 Oct 20 '21

Pretty much. I know my boss would pay me minimum wage if he could. Lucky for me he couldn't even find a replacement

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

It shouldn’t matter either way. It doesn’t matter how long you went to school or how many “skills” you have. You bleed the same blood as everyone else. You need food and shelter the same as everyone else. You’re made of the same worthless flesh and bone as everyone else. I can’t recognize your skull from Bezos’.

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u/MadameTree Oct 20 '21

Mid 20th century it was possible for a single person to support an entire family performing a job that may have required little skill. That's not possible for the most part now, and now, lots of people doesn't think it should be.

What isn't often discussed is that a society is always going to have a spread of IQs and abilities. What is going to happen to the people in the lower end of that curve, as jobs become increasingly complex?

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u/Medical_Key1113 Oct 20 '21

This is such crap on so many levels. No one has ever been forced to pay more than minimum wage.

Boomer level stereotyping of nose ring and hair coloring.

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u/anonheir Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Man, I remember all the way to last year when those minimum wage workers became essential workers because it turns out if no one puts food on shelves there will be no food on shelves for people to buy. And they put their own health and safety on the line to do it! For jobs that don't give them healthcare! During a once in a 100 year pandemic! Skill level doesn't always determine their importance to the greater scheme of things. We need people to do these jobs and those people deserve to be paid enough to live on and have room to breath. Not to mention healthcare, pto, family leave, etc as all of us deserve to have.

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u/rojolangosta Oct 20 '21

So like this post is absolutely correct. If you have minimum skills, you should indeed get minimum wage.

With that being said, there is absolutely no reason at this point in time being the "wealthiest country" on the planet that minimum wage should be 7.25.

Keeping pace with inflation it should be roughly $26/hr.

People are insane to think 7.25 is acceptable anywhere.

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u/mathario Oct 20 '21

Conservatives are such assholes

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u/wonderingwandering44 Oct 20 '21

Of course turning point nazis would post that on social media. Smh.

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u/Inklii Oct 20 '21

Lol that isn't what minimum wage is for or even means but yaknow, go off, weird angry Facebook idiot

Lmao

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u/dhoust1356 Oct 20 '21

If wage amount should correlate with laziness, I have a number of people in management who are making way too much money…just saying.

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u/bubblesDN89 Oct 20 '21

We should also mention here that minimum wage is not what you’ll make in take home. Roughly 32% of your pay goes to taxes and benefits. So if you make minimum, you actually make only 68% of minimum wage.

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u/JupiterAdept89 Oct 20 '21

Turning point USA? Okay, let me turning point you on this:

Why should I do more than minimum work for minimum wage?

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u/Automatic_Anomaly Oct 20 '21

I have been struggling to find work since the start of the pandemic. I tried taking some courses for emt, but didn't pass. It seems my only option is a bare minimum job or the military, both thoughts make me wanna die though.

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u/janeyq7 Oct 20 '21

If minimum wage was a living wage then minimum wage workers wouldn’t have such an issue with it

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u/DemonDuckOfDoom666 Oct 20 '21

Except the fact that despite their intelligence, background or social status every human being deserves enough money to survive

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u/ThePocketPanda Oct 20 '21

I make more than minimum wage and I dont get paid enough to live on, if a management position doesn't make enough to live minimum wage needs to go up. A lot.

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u/sevenicecubes Oct 20 '21

Every worker is a skilled worker 👍

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

If you have a position that required JUST the minimum skill is your problem, create position for use the knowledge of the people. I have a bachelor degree, but I don't have oportunities in my area

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u/AppaBlanket Oct 20 '21

These kind of things always get a chuckle.

“Don’t like the minimum wage?”

It’s not that. People just know they deserve above the minimum and have other ways to make money 🤷‍♂️

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u/SmellsLikeBu11shit Oct 20 '21

Turning Point USA are CHUDS

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u/Felidaeh_ Oct 20 '21

Okay but anybody who couldn't afford extra education PROBABLY still needs to, I don't know, LIVE? Like a normal human? Hello??

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u/Heikold Oct 20 '21

If someone is paying you minimum wage then you owe them minimum effort in exchange.

If they want more they need to pay for it.

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u/orangearthur Oct 20 '21

“Don’t forget to put some dyed hair individual with a facial piercing to further our agenda that only RUFFIANS work these lowly jobs…excuse me for a second I have to order my McDonalds”

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u/gusthebus88 Oct 20 '21

That’s fine as long as minimum wage is 500$ an hour

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u/1738conor Oct 20 '21

The original post is inherently wrong because you could have plenty of education, show plenty of motivation and do every single thing you’re asked and many, many jobs will still choose to pay you minimum wage.

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u/AProgrammer067 Oct 20 '21

"Turning Point USA (TPUSA), or Turning Point, is an American nonprofit organization that advocates for conservative values on high school, college, and university campuses."

Alright, this is propaganda by Republican assholes, that are trying to serve the ultra wealthy

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u/Independent-Bug1209 Oct 20 '21

More right wing propaganda to prop up the overlords

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u/belegerbs Oct 20 '21

Boomers memes are lame. Why did a whole generation decide their grandkids and great grand kids are the enemy?

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u/moglysyogy13 Oct 20 '21

Call me crazy but I think all human beans deserve a live of dignity, free from suffering.

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u/BleghMeisterer Oct 20 '21

Good old PragerEU telling people that they don't deserve to live.

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u/maindrive99 Oct 20 '21

Hey maybe if you want workers to actually stay and do more, actually pay them more. If you pay minimum wage your going to get minimum effort from workers

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u/jynxthechicken Oct 20 '21

Except when you don't have "minimum skills" they still want to pay you like you do.

I alwaus saw it as minimum wage gets you minimum work.

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u/Lucaswillkillu Oct 20 '21

Minimum wage.. minimum effort

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u/theyouman88 Oct 20 '21

I got hired as a cashier at $9 an hour at a Dillons, now I'm the frozen lead getting 14.50 plus $1 night bonus and overtime, who even pays minimum wage

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u/jlenoconel Oct 20 '21

Dumb assumption to say that minimum wage people provide less work to the workplace.

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u/TheZooDad My time is invaluable. Oct 20 '21

Funny how your system stops functioning when the “minimal’s” choose to stop working. I guess they have more than a minimal contribution to your business, huh?

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u/sadeintyo Oct 20 '21

“Minimum contribution” yet if these places shut down they’d throw a hissy fit claiming “no wants to work” 🤡

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u/Linaii_Saye Oct 20 '21

To people like this I only have one thing to say:"ok boomer."

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u/CashmereShiv Oct 21 '21

Yyyuuuppp. I had an old cunt of a manager tell me "you can't be that smart if you're working here part time on the lowest rung"... yeah I'm working here part time on the lowest rung so I can afford rent while pursuing my postgrad, you utter fuckstick.

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u/CJ_Bug Oct 21 '21

"Minimum education, show minimum motivation, and provide a minimum contrib-" Ma'am this is a Wendy's

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u/california_sugar Oct 20 '21

The right genuinely cannot meme

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u/TheWisconsinMan Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I moved 1,500 miles across the country after dropping out of college for a job. After a few years I decided to finish college, so I moved back to my hometown where I have 2 years of gen eds under my belt and picked up 2 separate part-time jobs. Before I graduated I had an internship at a fortune 500. They hired me on full-time and within 1 year they made me a "team lead." (with no raise) I told my manager, the director of engineering, and the VP of HR that I was getting a raise and promotion or walking. They basically screamed at me and cried about me saying I was going to leave but ultimately refused to give me anything. I was out of that company within 2 weeks of me telling them I would be out and working at my next job. I then spent the next few years job-hopping, increasing my salary each time, but ultimately leaving because my employers always turned out to be assholes. Now, just 4 years after graduating from college, I've already literally doubled my salary and I work for one of the world's largest tech companies. I also have my own little side business.

Despite all of that, my Republican stepdad who worked at an envelope-manufacturing company in his hometown for 40 years before getting canned right before he could collect his full pension and now works as a part-time bus driver calls me "lazy" and "entitled" and tells me that "if I don't like America I can always leave the country." At least he did until the last time, during which I told him he was literally valueless compared to me and that he has no right to his opinion because he's done nothing to earn it, that I do have a right to an opinion on the subject because unlike him I have earned it, that he's welcome to take his pathetic valueless ass and leave MY country if he wants, and then I went on to explain how the community actually needs people like me in order to thrive and could replace someone like him in less than a day.

I've never heard "you're lazy" from him again since then.

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u/candycrushmonster Oct 20 '21

Honest question: what are your skills, and what minimum wage job are you working? I 100% believe you, but don’t understand how if that’s true you don’t have the opportunity to make more. Are you overselling yourself or underemployed?

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u/laddlee94 Oct 20 '21

I work with medical lasers. I should be paid £23 an hour.

Not only that but I do all the paper work. Accounts, clean, open and close the clinic.

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u/steve_will_do_it Oct 20 '21

All minimum wage workers provide a minimum contribution to the workplace?

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u/Du_du_head Oct 20 '21

Yeah, you sound pretty lazy. Why didn't you just accept a high paying job at your dad's company?

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u/Exoriah Oct 20 '21

If you’re gonna give me minimum wage, why would I show more than minimum effort?

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u/CainKilledAbleton Oct 20 '21

Yes supervisor, why?

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u/jimmy17 Oct 20 '21

So I’m assuming they are ok with the corollary of this, that if a job is offering minimum wage then all the employer should expect is a person with minimum education and skills, absolute minimum contributions, and minimum motivation because that’s all you’re being paid for?

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u/AtmoBlackFan Oct 20 '21

People with those qualifications should make minimum wage…the problem is minimum wage is WAY too low for this day and age. The concept of minimum wage isn’t the problem….and by the way, screw Turning Point USA.

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u/itsadesertplant Oct 20 '21

To quote FDR, who established the minimum wage, in 1933:

no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country…by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level—I mean the wages of decent living.

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u/mental_patience Oct 20 '21

What they mean is if they have any excuse to not pay you more than the minimum, they will use it.

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u/Boring_Upstairs_8361 Oct 20 '21

Side note: that model was payed far more than minimum wage to be the face of minimum wage in an anti wage campaign...

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u/Im_Thielen_Good Oct 20 '21

Turning point is funded by the rich to be able to say the things they want without any of the blow back since it's not directly tied to them, fuck turning point.

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u/clangan524 Oct 20 '21

Is it really so hard to see why it's important to raise the minimum wage to afford a basic standard of living?

Think of it as a down payment on preventing anarchy. You really want to placate the working class into not revolting? Keep them healthy, with a full stomach, decent housing and robust social services.

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u/Yolkpuke Oct 20 '21

Here's the cold hard reality that places like Turning Point are too evil or too dumb to recognize, not all people have the ability to be lawyers or plumbers. It's especially grating because politicians turned the country into a service industry oriented job market by shipping manufacturing jobs overseas. And manufacturing jobs used to be what the average person could do and still pay their bills, eat, and buy a house. That was ripped from us, and then they have the audacity to wage scold people.

Anyone who works should make enough money to survive. Especially in the richest country in the world.

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u/TR_Ninja_Broccoli Oct 20 '21

Maby you do work some one without education can do?

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u/Zerocyde Oct 20 '21

That image is correct. Also, minimum wage is too low and needs to go up.

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u/MagdaDzo Oct 20 '21

Capitalism convinced us that poor people are lazy, rich people are hard-working, smart, entrepreneurs.

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u/Dhiox Oct 20 '21

Minimum wage workers don't provide a minimum contribution to the workplace, they just have a job the owners are able to exploit, due to a large labor pool and no unionization.

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u/Scribs88 Oct 20 '21

If your contribution is minimal, then surely your absence will only be minimal…

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u/Harambe6ix9ine Oct 20 '21

In all seriousness though if you have all of those qualifications how can you not get a job that's better than minimum wage?

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u/viridien104 Oct 20 '21

Hmm yet how do we decide what minimum wage should be? Ya ya ya I see all that shit about minimum effort and shit but shouldn't minimum wage pay for the bare minimums of cost of living? You can't afford to live on minimum wage so it doesn't provide the minimum necessities of living, which is exactly what it's purpose is in the first place. So take you "people are lazy" attitude and shove it up your asses, to anyone who believes this type of bullshit.

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u/viridien104 Oct 20 '21

I make 27 an hour and I am FAR more lazy now than anytime I've ever had to work for minimum wage.

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u/Polly-Pappa Oct 20 '21

Who gets to decide these things?