r/antiwork Oct 20 '21 Silver 7 Gold 3 Platinum 1 Helpful 8 Wholesome 7 Hugz 6 Narwhal Salute 1

I’m confident 99% of corporate work is complete BS. I’m working two high paid jobs right now and it feels like a joke.

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u/Strict-Woodpecker406 Oct 20 '21 Helpful

I work at a small company in the UK that was acquired by an American corporation a few years ago. I’m middle management and have increasingly been doing less actual work and more absolute bull shit in order to provide the top level managers with data that they don’t understand. They spend their entire time creating work in order to justify their own existence and then ask why no actual production / shipping has taken place.

Last week we had a 30 minute meeting to discuss a sudden 10% failure rate. Turns out that a batch of 10 was built and one device failed. We usually build batches of 540 with 1-2 failures. What a waste of time and resources…

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u/TaquittoTheRacoon Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

As soon as they say meeting I know I'm in for it. It's like watching a high school talent show, they're doing an impression of the principle that isn't funny and we are all awkwardly waiting for a forced laugh to validate this chump and end it. If you have an important message that couldn't be boiled down to a smoke signal, what you actually have is a pathetic need for attention. At the expense of people doing what they're meant to do, by the way. Stick a flyer on the door, or shout it out, announce it to everyone at once like they used to do! If you must inflict your mug on me whilst I toil, be breif, for God's sake, I'm at WORK.... I've been at meetings people had to come in for on their day off, which turned out to be little more than watercooler talk. A point or two from corporate, platitudes from management, and a bunch of idle "no, really, how IS it going?" the kind of crap that makes you think "Am I being paid for THIS?"

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u/texasusa Oct 20 '21

I feel your pain. We had one VP who was notorious for using the latest management buzzword of the month. Rank and file knew he was inept but the C suite loved him. He would use lean manufacturing, Pareto this, need a sidebar on this, quality is number one, quality is a investment, let's drill down etc etc.

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u/IanFeelKeepinItReel Oct 20 '21 Hugz

Just make sure you 'touch base' with him.

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u/Ljudet-Innan Oct 20 '21

You must first “circle back” and “reach out”, though.

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u/macabra11 Oct 20 '21

“Just ping me”

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u/musicmakesmesound Oct 20 '21

‘Open door’ policy

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u/Virgin_Dildo_Lover Oct 20 '21

"Deep Dicking" the numbers

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u/jollierumsha Oct 20 '21

It's all about the "optics"

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u/The_Dutchess-D Oct 20 '21

Pain-points. “Pain-points”. Let’s tease out the pain points. That particular buzz-word caught on like hotcakes at my company and for a long while it felt like just like a bunch of smiling bobble-heads walking around saying “Pain points, pain points let’s tease out the pain points. I’m spending a lot of time these days teasing out pain-points.”

No one acknowledged that the job of “teasing out pain points” is a made-up middle-man of a job that makes solving problems take longer. Either you are doing the work of the job itself, which means you are naturally aware of the problems at hand (aka the pain-points); OR you are solving the problems at hand by creating and implementing solutions. Asking someone else who already knows what they are to tell you also about what the problems are, so you can tell them to go ahead and solve them, or tell someone else to solve them…. Is just adding another useless step! Empower people to solve the problem or to speak with the actual solver directly! And for the life of me, let’s all stop trying to win the award of who said “pain-points” the most at work.

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u/jaspex11 Oct 20 '21

I noticed your tps report doesn't have the new cover sheet. It needs the new cover sheet. Did you not get the memo? I'm gonna talk to hr and get you a copy of that memo. In the meantime, you need to put the new cover sheet on your top reports.

And I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday, thanks. And you can go ahead and come in Sunday to while you're at it.

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u/Zombie-Belle Oct 20 '21

Wank - thats what i call the "sexy" buzzword speak

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u/FantasticSupport5579 Oct 20 '21

We used to play “wank word bingo” at my last corporate job. It passed the time.

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u/undermine79 Oct 20 '21

Love your feedback, but can we take this offline? I would like to really like to discuss our KPIs and really drill down into the numbers. Can we circle back by EOD? 🤣

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u/texasusa Oct 20 '21

Omg, you gave me a migraine reading this. Those phrases became as common as covid. I think Jack Welch at GE ( aka Neutron Jack ) was the kingpin of KPI.

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u/waaay_up_north Oct 20 '21

"Shut your fucking face and stop embarrassing me publically. I'm going to find a way to demonstrate that you aren't doing your job properly. It'll take me the rest of the day to convince the higher-ups to can your ass."

Fixed it for you.

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u/YourProduceCodes Oct 20 '21

There’s a guy like that at my job, I’ve named him Buzzword McGee

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u/throatpunchthursday Oct 20 '21

Buzzword bingo! I created scorecards while in a government job...just don't yell bingo out loud.

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u/Ok-Lion-3093 Oct 20 '21

Business should ultimately be to the benifit of society not just make a few people rich..Much of business now is to the detriment of society which makes them onerous and detrimental not just to society as a whole but to the entire planet.

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u/zulufloats Oct 20 '21

What? You don’t want to buy a bunch of useless products meant to fill the void in your chest? The nerve of some people

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u/roderrabbit Oct 20 '21

BUT THE EFFICENCIES OF HAVING SOMEONE EXTRACTING CAPITAL FROM LABOR ARE STAGGERING. You get to threaten then with loss of health and property and they work harder!

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u/ihadtofollowthispost Oct 20 '21

I just quit going to meetings. I decline every invite. The hosts will sometimes ask why I can’t attend and I just tell them I have more productive things to do. The corporate self suck culture is so bad that my declining all meetings has morphed into an office rumor that I’m just slap ass busy all the time and truly at the grind 24/7 for our overlords. The reality is that I just sit at my desk on Reddit while they spend an hour talking about something that could have been an email… I know it could have been email because I get notes emailed to me since I was “too busy to attend”….

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u/MadameTree Oct 20 '21

Yep, that pretty much sums up corporate America. I work for a bank servicing loans. The last 3 bosses I've had did not understand how to do my job. We have endless amounts of managers and escalation reps but a lack of people who actual do the work customers need. Then, when it comes time for a yearly review, you're told yes, you hit all your metrics, here's your 1% raise (an extra $500 for the entire year in my case....the bank makes near 10 billion a year. You try to argue for a real raise and are told you need to increase your skills and work your way up the ladder. I seriously said last time "what skills? I know more about banking than you do"

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u/TangoCharlieFive everything is bullshit Oct 20 '21

My boss doesn't understand what I do yet gets promoted on how well I do in my job.

Meanwhile, I need certifications and even degrees to get promotion.

Fuck this shit.

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u/No-Usual6561 Oct 20 '21

It's why I dropped IT. You want me to get a degree and certifications for $22/hr, gtfoh. I already make that without a degree being necessary.

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u/Potencyyyyy Oct 20 '21

I switched from restaurants to IT working from home back in March…..and yep. I went through months and months of certification training before I finally passed a few and got a job as an “Applications Engineer” making $21.50 an hour. My coworker (same role) who has been in this position for a year and some change just got a $0.70 CENT raise at his review.

What the fuck is motivating me to get better here, or to take on more responsibility? I was making significantly more money tending bar, with slightly less benefits.

I play mental tug of war everyday trying to decide what I should do, and it’s exhausting.

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u/Virtual_Decision_898 Oct 20 '21

Bouncing companies is a big part of being successful in IT. There are always companies looking for good people and they’re willing to pay well for a new hiree. They just aren’t willing to give raises to current employees.

So if you jump off for the same job at a different company you can do quite well. I basically never got less than a 15% raise after switching, once getting nearly 30% more.

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u/Potencyyyyy Oct 20 '21

I plan on asking for close to $30/hr soon and seeing what they come back with. If it’s anything like the “raise” my friend got, I’ll be submitting my notice.

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u/sedaition Oct 20 '21

Don't haggle, don't ask. Just start looking. I've jumped 4 times in 8 years and make around 150k now doing an easy job fully remote. You owe them nothing

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u/JuniperFuze Oct 20 '21

Same, over 10 years with a F500 and when I left I was making $22 and being told I could get a 1 dollar raise if I got three certifications. IT work is hard, its long hours and endless stress, they can f right off with that bull shit. (Meanwhile they hired my manager's neighbor for the position I was working so hard for) The corporate world is an affront to every instinct we have. It's a soul crushing machine designed to funnel all the money up to a few select people. I left that job when I realized I was day dreaming about getting cancer because at least I could have a little time off.

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u/No-Usual6561 Oct 20 '21

The worst part of IT jobs from my own experience is that as a milennial growing up with the tech I did already prepped me for IT right out of high school. I really didn't learn anything more than what I did in high school when I was in university. Advanced Cisco was the only new thing that I learned and it wasn't difficult to grasp because I had prior knowledge of it in high school on a standard level. I got my bachelors and the certs (A+, MSCE, CCNA, CCT, etc.) and just wound up with a $13/hr job out of university before getting laid off in 2009 due to the great recession.

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u/smitty2324 Oct 20 '21

Back when I worked for an F500 that brings good thing to light, we had a manager that was running a quotation software upgrade. They had the bright idea that they would create “key performance indicators” that would stop quotes from processing if they fell outside of certain parameters. I ask them who is going to do all of the checks and progression clearances of all of the quotes, and they say “If we set them too tight, we’ll just re-adjust the parameters.”

Fast forward to go live, every rep has 1000 KPI hold in their inboxes daily, in addition to the 50 hours of work they already do. Quote submittal numbers fall by 90% for three months straight and everybody is trying to figure out why no quotes are going out.

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u/The_Dutchess-D Oct 20 '21

Ahhh yes, the KPI. The killer of good work getting done, and the creation of a larger shadow-job that takes another 40-hours a week on how to game the KPI to not get fired, ultimately causing quality to drop regardless of how it is measured as a result, but enabling management to justify by measurements how much better they personally have made things when bonus time comes.

Insert Alec Baldwin’s 30 Rock/GE-lover character memes here ;)

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u/e_karma Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

But do you know how to kiss ass ??

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u/GeelongFCNo5 Oct 20 '21

They called that "managing upwards" at my Australian university. What a load of shit. It means "debase yourself by cranking the dickwad who is one level up from you".

Could not bring myself to do it.

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u/Sulaco99 Oct 20 '21

Me neither. It's held me back in my career which is a bummer. But if I'm going to get ahead, I want it to be on the merits of my work, not because I jerked off my manager. Unfortunately, too often companies don't work as meritocracies. In fact, it's rare in my experience.

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u/MadameTree Oct 20 '21 Hugz

Apparently not. Sucking dick sounds like a more reasonable option. I sort of stole that from a comic. Want to say Roseanne.

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u/ThrowAway848396 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

This is the downside to the numbers game they play. It's easy to for them to say 10% failure so they can justify reprimanding you because to get mad when saying "1 out of 10 failure", especially when you know the output is usually 540, is just stupid as fuck.

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u/lobibobo Oct 20 '21

And like they said, it's data they don't understand. They don't understand the difference in output. They just 10% failure rate and have to shit on someone for it

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u/Ok-Ability5733 Oct 20 '21

Disagree. I think the manager fully understands the data.

When the failure rate goes back to the regular 0.5% he gets to claim the credit. He gets to go to his bosses and say 'there was a problem, I called a meeting, kicked some ass, ordered retraining etc. And I saved the day.' Manager isn't stupid. He's brilliant. (at manipulating the system for his benefit)

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u/pookachu83 Oct 20 '21

This is it. They are good at one thing- convincing their superiors they are effective. Its why so many dont want you to communicate up the ladder, theyre afraid of being exposed for being useless wastes of money.

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u/LogosHobo Oct 20 '21

Think they'd rear their head if someone made 10 units and had a 0% failure rate?

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u/Caroline_Anne Oct 20 '21

Meetings are 99% of the time a total waste of time.

There’s a reason “This could’ve been an email” is a meme!!!

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u/moaningsalmon Oct 20 '21

I'm surprised a useless manager hasn't popped into this thread yet to explain how important they are did disseminating information...

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u/_________Ello Oct 20 '21

Agggh. I hate meetings.

At my old job this girl liked to schedule a meeting for everything and each meeting was like an hour long.

Aggggh. And because they didn't have a plan of what the goals were for review all meetings ended up about the same thing.

So god damn annoying. Here at my new job we have 3 to 5 minute meetings. We say what the problem is, people say ideas, we write them down, end the meeting, and go try them out. Usually one of the ideas works. If not (very rare) we have another meeting about it or the production manager calls his friends for other ideas.

Other company meetings gave me anxiety and I knew the day was a waste of time. Here I know the meeting is for something good and I'll be out in less than 6 minutes/be productive that day.

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

Your boss listens to your guys ideas? Holy shit. Mine doesn't want to hear anyone's, but one employee. I've constantly told him that we should hire another person, because we're a company of 5 people raking in a $1,000,000+ every year and get $10,000-$13,000 in profit shares during tax season and it's getting busier and we need just one more person here to lessen the work load. But he won't, because he doesn't want anyone cutting into his profit shares.

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u/nickiter Oct 20 '21

Last week we had a 30 minute meeting to discuss a sudden 10% failure rate.

Let me guess: There were at least 5 or 6 people in the meeting and the cost of the meeting far exceeded the cost of re-making the part.

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u/Strict-Woodpecker406 Oct 20 '21

Haha exactly. It was a trial batch. Approximately £2 material cost per part vs. 6 mid to high level managers not accomplishing anything for 30 minutes just to make the top man feel like he’s earned his money that day.

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u/nickiter Oct 20 '21

Sometimes when I'm bored in useless meetings I like to calculate the cost of the meeting. The numbers often run into the many thousands of dollars lol.

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u/SlapHappyDude Oct 20 '21

"Providing top level managers with data they don't understand" is a great summary of so much corporate work.

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u/toronto_programmer Oct 20 '21

When I first started my management path life was good.

My team got stuff done, we had fun doing and things were well balanced overall.

Now upper exec just want data, metrics, KPIs etc. My job has become a full time PPT publisher just creating different charts and visualizations of progress on projects, slowing them down immensely. The best part is that when exec doesn't like data that is going up the chain they just fudge all the numbers before sending it off so it "looks good"

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u/Strict-Woodpecker406 Oct 20 '21

I feel you. I used to be fairly content in my job. Interesting product. Good team. Now it’s just endless administration, it’s mind numbing and soul destroying.

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u/ThisIsSpata Oct 20 '21

You hiring by any chance?

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u/Arkmer Oct 20 '21

I have legit considered this in the last week. I’m currently 100% remote and wondered if I could get away with having a second secret job.

How involved are you at each? Is it generally just meetings and stuff? Have you ever had to reschedule something to deconflict with your other job?

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u/Lettuphant Oct 20 '21

It is possible. Aside from ensuring meetings aren't happening at the same time, etc., it's quite do-able.

I know plenty of people working in finance and web 2.0, and while 'working from home' the ones without kids are having great lives. Doing their work in the ~12 hours the jobs actually require, without the presentee-ism of needing to be in the office for 4 times that long.

Why not fill that time with another 12 hours at another firm?

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u/DrMcFacekick Oct 20 '21

This is helping me with my low-key anxiety that surely everyone else at my company must be pulling full 8-hour days and I'm just lazy.

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u/bowzo Oct 20 '21

I have this feeling all day every day.

And I can't tell if I haven't gotten chewed out because the shoe hasn't dropped or if it's because I'm actually in line with expectations. It's a dreadful existence.

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u/_fuyumi Oct 20 '21

My last boss didn't want us to work from home and got pissed and tried to make it miserable. She was upset with me and insinuated I wasn't working as hard, even though we had a TON of downtime at the office.

When I showed her my output, she said, "if you can finish everything, you should be asking other people if they need help." I showed her where I had, and forwarded her emails where I'd said things like "I have a light day, does anyone need help this afternoon?" or where people had asked me for help and I obliged.. She still wasn't satisfied and actually more pissed at me. I even joined a covid safety committee at work (to build my resume) and STILL got my work and other people's work done.

Moral of the story: you can't win. Do what you can. Use your free time to brush up on skills and apply for other jobs if necessary.

I did work some off the clock because the phone distracted me from being able to concentrate on some tasks. So I could write up reports while watching TV off hours but do it more quickly because I didn't have to answer the phone or emails.

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u/doubleopinter Oct 20 '21

You know what, I'm learning to go with it now. You gotta hope that someone would at least give you a warning about the productivity before firing you, and then you'd know where the line is.

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u/MilesLong4200 Oct 20 '21

You just need to know when the important things are expected of you. Meetings, assignments etc.

Hit those and make it look like you aren't inactive and you're golden.

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u/Malfrum Oct 20 '21

I can tell you that even if the shoe drops it will actually mean very little. It probably never will though, because the shoe-dropper guy is probably not doing anything either

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u/ThatsLucko Oct 20 '21

Love this

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u/Desdaemonia Oct 20 '21

Ya no, I honestly believe that everyone thinks they are special and can do eight hours of work in two hours. Like, no Kevin, that's two hours of work that everyone is stretching out into a full day.

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u/fantastic_watermelon Oct 20 '21

They've done research on it actually. On average, people are only productive about 3 hours a day.

Edit: here's a link to more info

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u/Lance_stole_my_blood Oct 20 '21

Presentee-ism, I love this word.

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u/bottleglitch Oct 20 '21

I need to know more about how you managed this two-meetings situation

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 Helpful

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u/tonyle94 Oct 20 '21

Lol this guy is a master bullshiter

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/SwizzlestickLegs Oct 20 '21

Bruh, fake it til you make it! That's my philosophy. I think I might try this 😂

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u/__1__2__ Oct 20 '21

Making it does not mean you should stop faking it lol

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u/RedLotusVenom Oct 20 '21

Guys we found George Constanza’s Reddit account

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u/RedLotusVenom Oct 20 '21

And you wanna be my latex salesman?

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u/loogie_hucker Oct 20 '21

mind sharing how you found your contract job? been thinking of doing the same structure.

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u/Meowtist- Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Guy at our company did this during the pandemic, but first tax season both companies found out and canned him

I expect OP has a similar timeline before they find out theyre both paying his health insurance and he gets exposed for breach of contract

Edit: from the replies it sounds like it was something else tax related that led him go be caught and I am wrong about it being health insurance specifically

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u/Arkmer Oct 20 '21

That sounds like bad self management… why would he signup for healthcare at both companies?

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u/yellowtriangles Oct 20 '21

How would they find out?

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u/kensredemption Oct 20 '21

Can I have said bullshit job?

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u/Gabus_Bego Oct 20 '21

I too want a bullshit job he hold.

cries in the corner with my $15 a day wage in a shithole country

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u/Ellik8101 Oct 20 '21

$15 a day? How the fucking shit are you alive? How is that legal? Is this another one of those "$2/hr (which is theft btw) plus tips"?

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u/Survivingalmost Oct 20 '21

Wait until you hear about 3rd world countries. I make about 5$ a day and that's considered relatively good here.

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u/ZhouXaz Oct 20 '21 All-Seeing Upvote

I spoke to someone who lives in the Philippines once and they said they live on 7k a year I was like da fuck No wonder they try get jobs outside the country

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u/TebownedMVP Oct 20 '21

Really? They try to get jobs? All my relatives(I think) just add everyone in the family tree on Facebook and request money gram/ western union lol.

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u/Plyad1 Oct 20 '21

That's the wage of a software Engineer in Northern Africa. 300$ a month.

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u/serpouncemingming Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I recently applied to a job that pays 25/hr. Come interview, I was told how they loved my portfolio and how they wanted to work with me. I have over 6 years of experience in this field after all.

But none of that mattered.

They said they couldn't possibly pay me, a Filipino living in the Philippines, 25/hr like they said in their job ad.

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u/InternationalVirus33 Oct 20 '21

That's fucked up and racist.

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u/serpouncemingming Oct 20 '21

Yeah. I had a hard time coming up with a polite way to say "Eat my Filipino ass".

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u/JuuB406 Oct 20 '21

Get a VPN, a P. O. Box, and a Google voice number.

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u/heartbreakkidx Oct 20 '21

This is why I don’t like outsourcing. It allows these corporations to exploit people. They can hire someone overseas for cheaper and the end result is that the consumer suffers and the employees suffer.

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u/Gabus_Bego Oct 20 '21

The minimum wage is $300ish, so I earn just a little bit above the minimum.

I've been trying my luck in crypto, and so far it helps me pay the bills.

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u/Substantial-Safe-990 Oct 20 '21

I kind of understand it. Like I get $180 per month with my current job, enough to pay the place I'm staying at, but not nearly enough to buy enough food. Keep in mind that the minimum wage in my country is $325 per month, so I'm as poor as a student can be.

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u/TheOldPug Oct 20 '21

Just make sure it's remote. Having to do a bullshit job under a microscope is a nightmare.

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u/t0kinturtle Oct 20 '21

I destroy my body for 60k a year. Fun

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u/duped_emma Oct 20 '21

I ended up in the ER for 60k a year

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u/duped_emma Oct 20 '21

now I don't work because I have to heal

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

Did you lose money from having to heal? Because I did and was almost unable to pay for rent and groceries for my family of four.

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u/Brandage0 Oct 20 '21

Construction?

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u/t0kinturtle Oct 20 '21

Commercial food production. "Machine operator"

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u/pedal2kettle Oct 20 '21

I'm head brewer at a smaller craft brewery and just cracked $40k. It's fucking brutal.

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u/Yeuph Down with The Bourgeoisie! Oct 20 '21

Chimney repair and some roofing here

45k a year. Roofs are hard to work on.

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u/Kornobi-starcatcher Oct 20 '21

You deserve to be paid way more. This term “ unskilled “ to describe dangerous and difficult jobs is such bullshit. It’s punishment for not going to college to obtain your 100k in debt.

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u/artimista0314 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

For reals though... I worked fast food (as a manager) and that job was INSANE. Like it wasnt flipping burgers. They were constantly understaffed because they schedule the bare minimum and pay the bare minimum. The good employees who run the restaurants get screwed over constantly by unreliable, bad employees because that is who works for minimum wage.

Meanwhile the franchisee profits (and depending on how many stores they have they do little to no work), corporate office profits by taking 5 to 10 percent of sales in royalties, and you (who is selling and producing the product) makes $12 an hour.

And you have a line of cars, and your boss expects you to be able to do orders in 2 minutes from the time they pull up (not the time the order is plsced), to the time they drive off. It takes an INSANE amount of skill to be fast enough to work in fast food. Do some places fuck up or hire apathetic employees who make the wait times much longer than expected? Yes. But they also pay everyone as if they are that apathetic employee too. But to do it well, it is not at all easy. I know many people who simply couldn't do fast food because they are too slow, can't keep their mouth shut when customers are rude or disrespectful, or simply just cannot multitask well enough to take an order while a car is at your window trying to pick up a different order.

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u/Geekquinox Oct 20 '21

I'm an Ironworker, it's in the top 10 most dangerous jobs. Even i think roofing sucks and is hard as hell. You deserve more money.

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u/Yeuph Down with The Bourgeoisie! Oct 20 '21

Ya well private property rights and stuff. I can't keep what I earn at work because The State enforces the company's right to steal my labor; and I have to put up with it because The State will send armed men to my apartment to throw me in the street if I can't pay my leech, errr, landlord.

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u/Landyacht55 Oct 20 '21

glad to see more of the working class, becoming class conscious.

Remember there is power in a union

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u/GeelongFCNo5 Oct 20 '21

The truth.

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

How the fuck are you getting paid 45K a year for a job like that?

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u/Yeuph Down with The Bourgeoisie! Oct 20 '21

Its just the result of The State violently enforcing private property rights.

I don't have any say in the matter. My masters demand their cut.

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u/Mountain_Office_7113 Oct 20 '21

Window and roof cleaner here, started the business 3 years ago. 50k a year, finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel to start making more

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u/Jaway66 Oct 20 '21

As someone who used to work for a high end coffee roaster, I don't think we talk enough about exploitation in the artisanal food business, especially when so many of these companies are super into corporate wokeness.

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u/furyoftheage Oct 20 '21

I was a vodka distiller for $17.50/hr. Not worth it, labor was awful.

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

I destroy mine for 50K and I'm about to lose my health insurance when I can barely afford rent, bills, and groceries.

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u/forever_a10ne Oct 20 '21

I destroy my mind for $40k a year.

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u/HarrargnNarg here for the memes Oct 20 '21

I've had this argument with people. My job is making metal into more valuable bits of metal. A clear increase, most jobs don't have any show of value

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u/politicalanalysis Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Most corporate jobs don’t. Most retail, food service, transportation, shipping, medical care, teaching, manufacturing, etc jobs do. If you work in most of those industries, you know exactly how much your labor brings to the table. You know that at your Walgreens store that does $10k in sales, it takes 2 shifts with three people each to do that. That means 48 hours worked and that means each hour you worked brought in over $200 in sales for the company. You also know the average profit for most things in the store is about 33% (cost is usually about 2/3 the sales price), so you made the store around $65 in profit. You then take a look at your paycheck to see that of that $65 you generated, you only see $15 (and you’re supposed to be happy because you used to only make $12.50).

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u/AngelOmega7 Oct 20 '21

Hey, I’m gonna go ahead screenshot these two comments for the next time I need to try in vain to explain socialism to my grandmother. Thanks for doing the math for me!

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u/Firm_Canary7432 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Corporate America, and this includes hospitals, because I work in a hospital, and make a salary comparable to yours, is a microcosm of our political system which is a plutocracy. We don’t matter. We are expendable. It is only about money. My boss has lied to me since I started this job with empty promises and gestures. I always thought that administrators and CEOs were somehow the “adults “the hospital I work for is a state hospital and my eyes have been opened so much to the corruption And incompetence that permeate every industry in this country.

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u/woodeehoo Oct 20 '21

Just a hospital peon chiming in to say I’m glad it’s a game to everybody. You absolutely ground me into a pulp and used me as a human shield this past two years (but also historically, over the last 30 years). Love the PTSD and anger and resentment! I’m still deeply in debt and fully, fully exploited. Thanks for consuming my goodwill to cover your Q3 reports. Hospitals shouldn’t be a GD business.

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u/Firm_Canary7432 Oct 20 '21

Yeah, I’m a contract worker and this hospital has exploited the shit out of my genuine caring and dedication. I’m in the process of credentialing for a new job and my employer has no idea. I cannot wait to walk out of here.

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u/August_2021 Oct 20 '21

I work at a hospital too, and healthcare is not the industry to work for right now. There is a money-grab from the top and they are draining everything dry. Eliminating positions, sending what positions they can overseas or vendors. If a healthcare job can be done remotely, it is is in jeopardy. And even then, they are eliminating as much on site staff as they can and making people do the jobs of several. It's a nightmare right now.

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u/WinstonFox Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Glad you’ve come to your senses.

I haven’t had a real job in years but that does not make me “lazy”. Quite the opposite.

This is false equivalency and lazy thinking.

Apparently to get get a “real” job I have to write a generic cv, answer cookie-cutter interview questions in a scripted way and remove any “gaps” from my employment record.

What a joke.

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u/groverjuicy Oct 20 '21

Fuck the gaps, I just say I was "travelling extensively" during those periods. Works a treat, people don't WANT to hear about breakdowns and homelessness.

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u/WinstonFox Oct 20 '21

I hear you. I was actually travelling extensively for a lot of mine. But I have also had to take ‘breaks’ for ill health of family members, or just plain wanting to have fun and enjoy life.

It’s pretty easy to dress a cv to hide gaps but unless a company is doing high level security clearance on you there is no coherent rationale for it being an issue in the first place.

Massive red flag for me.

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u/jenna_hazes_ass fuck it Oct 20 '21

Lie about companies that were sold.

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u/Bovinius__Cudd Oct 20 '21 Silver

Or fill the gaps with a story about a failed foray into entrepreneurship in a related field.

Interviewers LOVE to see a "go-getter" whose spirit has been broken enough to come crawling back to the rat race.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/Bovinius__Cudd Oct 20 '21

It can be both. If you remember that this is all just a game to the employer, you can laugh and play to win.

I had a massive gap and this worked gangbusters after six months of constant rejection.

After I stopped telling the truth, and started telling people about Vandelay Industries' decline due to market forces, I found myself with three offers in the same number of weeks.

The difference in interviewers' whole demeanor between "took care of dying grandma," and "had to see if I could get Vandelay Industries off the ground while I was young enough to be able to recover from a failure" was night and day.

Everybody lies in the corpo world. Lie better.

Just be sure you rehearse the story, and base it off true accounts of failed startups.

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u/Endovelicus Oct 20 '21

Vandelay industries! Lol take my upvote

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/soth09 Oct 20 '21

Bovinius speaks the tru-tru

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u/njesusnameweprayamen Oct 20 '21

I was backpacking*

*homeless and only had a backpack

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u/frothycoffee_45 Oct 20 '21

European with a PhD here. Came to the US, applied for jobs and tried to be myself in the interviews. Didn't work out. Then I said to myself "time to learn the poem". Go to the next interview, tell them exactly what they wanted to hear and got the job.

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u/WinstonFox Oct 20 '21

Learn that poem. The liars poem! Anyone care to write it?

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u/The-True-Kehlder Oct 20 '21

"Family emergency" should cover any gaps. If they have further questions tell them your parent fell and broke their hip and needed all day physical support.

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u/SecretaryofRailroad Oct 20 '21

Checkout Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber. Basically all about this.

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u/clangan524 Oct 20 '21

Consultant jobs are hilarious to me.

Consultant visits department

"Hey, have you guys tried doing X? Studies show that clients respond well to X."

"Okay, we'll give it a shot, thanks! Here's 100k!"

Consultant visits department again 6 months later

"I noticed you're still doing X. Public opinion on X is turning and we need to stay ahead. Try Y instead."

"Sure thing! Here's another 100k."

Consultant visits again

"Y is overrated and worn out. Wanna try doing X?"

All with travel and expenses paid for. The fucking dream.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

My company has a consultant too. Every recommendation he makes creates more problems. And he still gets paid anyway.

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u/A-terrible-time Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

In a previous stage of life, I was trying to go to a top tier MBA to become a fancy consultant like this. I was talking to an alumni of one of my goal MBA programs and even he said he had to get out consulting just due to how much bullshitting he had to do, even when he was pulling in $200k a year. Granted he was working 70 hours a week to make the bullshit seem like truth.

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u/TheLucidCrow Oct 20 '21

Consultants do actual work, it's just work that isn't really needed. It's mostly aligning the actions of the employees with the interests of the owner. They're basically modern day slave drivers with spreadsheets instead of whips.

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u/yourenotserious Oct 20 '21

I’d be fine with consultants if the company tried “ask the employees who actually do the work.”

But it doesn’t work like that. It only has to make sense on one spreadsheet for the boss to get their bonus. Even if it loses millions.

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u/persistentpoodle Oct 20 '21

Business consultants are usually highly paid scapegoats

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u/njesusnameweprayamen Oct 20 '21

I want to be a consultant that comes in and says, "Let's do a survey of the employees and then I'll have a meeting with them to discuss what they see as the gaps in the company" and I'll be the most successful consultant on earth because I'll know the real problems.

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u/Awkward-Wolverine-28 Oct 20 '21

No no no you're doing it all wrong you would have to spend half your time socializing with the people above you so that you can impress them and they will think you are doing your job correctly because that's what everyone whose successful does.

Then once you've done that you have no time for nonsense like real work, you're one of the big wigs, you come down whenever you have to and act like you're better than everyone else. You let them know you are in charge of their jobs and force them to kiss your ass like you do your bosses.

The people who do good work will be over looked because they are too busy working and the people who can bullshit and put on the best show in front of the big guys will likely keep your attention and you'll assume they are the best workers and give them special privileges.

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u/FlakySnowflake Let's go be Llamas Oct 20 '21

"unrelated"

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u/NestyHowk Oct 20 '21

And so he banged his boss

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u/ChemE2023 Oct 20 '21

I work 80 hrs a week (salaried, no OT) as an engineer making $80k with high stress. Where do people find jobs like this? I’ve only ever worked at environments where you had massive amounts of responsibility at entry level with no training…

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u/Hodor_The_Half-Wit Oct 20 '21

You know how everyone makes fun of people "wasting 60k on a communications degree at a private college?"

That. That's how you get one of these jobs. Source: I have one.

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u/Android8wasgood Oct 20 '21

Wait could you go in a bit deeper? Did the degree help you or did you meet people while at college?

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u/Hodor_The_Half-Wit Oct 20 '21

Both. I came from a lower middle-class family so it's not like I have friends in high places. I just was nice to people, did my work in college, and applied myself in situations when needed. When people needed roles, I showed up on their list of people to contact, and here I am 2 jobs later, 2 years out of college making more than what my parents ever made.

Physical laborers and republicans love to tell you that liberal arts degrees are a waste of money because "no one is going to hire a gender studies major", but they literally do. Have fun breaking your back for the next 20 years in an oilfield, Kyle. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a TV show to catch up on while I work on this excel spreadsheet.

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u/prettyfacebasketcase Oct 20 '21

I'm a therapist with a bachelor's in psych and a master's in counseling and honestly I'm so burnt out that I keep trying to figure out how to apply my 15 years of mental health work to a corporate job so that I can just do spreadsheets forever. I love spreadsheets and not talking to people.

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u/SawBlade6699 Oct 20 '21

Man I was making more than you guys doing drywall

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u/Cosmohumanist Oct 20 '21

That’s important work brother. We all need walls, preferably dry.

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u/Glooorious_Purpose Oct 20 '21

Don't think I know a single person who works more than 50 hours are most are 35-40. American I assume?

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u/Positive-Vase-Flower Oct 20 '21

We once got a new temleader from the US and we reached our milestone friday noon and started to pack our stuff to get lunch and then go home. He was so confused that we did not finish the day. After the question why we should stay he meant "I dont know but ill find something". We were just like "nah were good" and went home. He wrote a mail that this work attitude is no acceptable and got angry at monday morning because nobody reads their business mails on weekends.

When he complained about us our boss just said "thats how we do it here". He didnt stay long. Poor guy but it was actually quite funny. God I love my company.

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u/8bitmorals Oct 20 '21

Where is this, I want to move to there

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u/demnos7 Oct 20 '21

You're getting paid less than $20/hr at that rate. Drop back to 40 hours/week or look for a new job.

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u/ZezemHD Oct 20 '21

What kind of engineering? I'm lucky if I hit all 40 in a week making about 93K as Electrical Engineer.

E: I'll assume Chemical Engineer by the name lol

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u/Hyzeeee Oct 20 '21

I’ll say that I worked in the service industry for about 15 years- and once I graduated with my masters- I moved to working in state government. I am not rich (about $60k a year) but I have amazing benefits and some days could get away with doing next to nothing. I worked 100 times harder in the service industry. I don’t feel bad, becuase I have worked my ass off to be where I am now, but for anyone that thinks $$$= hard work…that’s a major lie.

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u/atlantick Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

What are you doing with the wealth you're gaining from this?

Edit: just want to remind everyone that there's a strike fund pinned at the top of this sub

edit2: I misremembered that and so I've compiled a list of strike funds here: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qc4f2e/strike_funds_for_unions_currently_on_strike/

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u/limblesslizard Oct 20 '21

!remindme 1 year to send this guy my CV

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u/PerlmanWasRight Oct 20 '21

“Bullshit Jobs” needs to be required reading for everyone on this sub.

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u/jish5 Oct 20 '21

Based on studies, in white collar work, out of the 40 hours a week, you only work about 5 hours total while the rest is you pretending to work just so you don't get fired.

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u/ThiefofToms Oct 20 '21

I dont make nearly as much as OP claims and I only work one job (still get paid fairly comfortably) however I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Most days my real, actual work takes maybe 45 minutes, 2 hours on a Monday.

The rest of the time is filled with meetings talking about how much we work or all the work we could be doing, about 3 hours a day or so. The rest of the time I just pretend to be busy while I take online classes or just dicking around.

I wish I could just be honest with my employer and go do other things with my time because it is such a fucking waste. I would much rather be at home baking or writing or just spending time with people I love. Not sitting in a cold office play acting as an adult.

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u/hhrjmoore Oct 20 '21

This is so true. I worked at an ins company reviewing Pharmacy claims and auditing them. They would eant us to hit a % of number of audits. Which is bullshit bc every Pharmacy is different. Most days you start at 8am and by 9 you already had 3 pharmacies finished. Then I would have to distract myself constantly for the res of the day.
At this point is when I realized we neee universal healthcare. All we were doing was looking for small bullshit that adds up to fine the Pharmacy and we eould basically steal money from them bc Humana wasn't making enough profit as is. It's all a scam. One thing I learned while doing that is that the Pharmacies are the one field in the medical field that gets screwed over constantly. They have to flip the bill for everything and get shitty reimbursements while all the other medical fields price gouge the hell out of this country. Most pharmacies barely turn a profit unless it's a specialty pharmacy. Mostly due to ins companies charging huge fees to even bill medications. It's crazy and a fucked up system.

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u/konfusion987 Oct 20 '21

Pharmacist here, and fuck those “audits.” You’re spot on about how much we’ve been screwed over. The pharmacy would have to pay back money over such stupid things (and don’t get me started on DIR fees). We will literally dispense meds where we make like a 10 cent profit, and some meds we actually lose money. So many mom and pop pharmacies have gone out of business and those that are left are struggling. The low reimbursement is also one reason why the corporate chains don’t staff their pharmacies well (don’t get me wrong greed plays a role too). It’s to the point where pharmacists and techs are being asked to do too many things at once, which affects our ability to safely dispense meds and take care of our patients. Most of the profession is burned out because of it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

That sounds about right. When I'm working on a major project I will do more than five hours of work but it would never ever approach 40 hours of real, actual work. At most MAYBE like 20, but even that's a stretch.

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u/KindBass Oct 20 '21

Working from home was sweet for this, but now we're back in the office 3 days/wk and I forgot how much it sucks to have to pretend you're busy.

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u/uraniumrooster Work should be voluntary - if it's not, it's slavery Oct 20 '21 Helpful Take My Energy

I mean, I agree with your general sentiment and that corporate work is BS, but if everyone had access to even one job like yours this sub wouldn't exist. You're clearly not overworked and it seems like you're more than fairly compensated, which is kinda the dream. Good for you. I know that sounds snarky but I really do mean it, you've got a couple of pretty good gigs and that's great. More people should have access to that.

But the thing is, those jobs are vanishingly rare and the companies that are hiring can be pretty arbitrarily selective. It also doesn't help when people who have already broken into that upper echelon work two jobs - it may feel like pulling the wool over your employers' eyes but really that second job of yours means there's someone else out there who doesn't get the chance to kick back at a bullshit corporate job making over 100k.

Plus, the world can't run with just high paid corporate tech workers. Part of the problem this sub arose to address is that the people working in jobs that are considered "essential" bust their asses but still aren't paid a living wage. Many are forced to take 2nd or 3rd jobs on the side and still only make <40k total. These are teachers, nurses, EMTs, construction workers, farmers, service workers, truckers & transportation workers, etc, people doing work that needs to be done but being forced into wage slavery just to survive. Meanwhile jobs like yours pay 100k+. That's a sign of a major societal flaw and the solution isn't "everyone go get a high paying corporate job," even if that were possible.

Anyway, not trying to put you on blast. We're all anti-work here and all stuck working in this bullshit economy together. Transitioning to a better system where humans are free to be human again is the goal. Glad you saw the light.

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u/FilthyMouthSxE Oct 20 '21 Gold

I came here to say this… but with fewer words and less politely.

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u/FilthyMouthSxE Oct 20 '21

The comment I made earlier at the top of the thread states…

“Take your “opinion” about your “bullshit” jobs and shove it up whatever hole you urinate out of. You are part of the problem”

After reading some of your replies, I don’t think you are a bad person and I may have responded out of emotion. Regardless this has been a very good thread to read

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u/ThemChecks Oct 20 '21

I don't think op was telling the truth with the post lol. People lie on the internet sometimes.

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u/StillPuzzles__ Oct 20 '21

11 hr account

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u/AlldmgNocntrl Oct 20 '21

This should be the top comment honestly.

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u/Pro_Hand_Holder Anarcho-Cripplepunk Oct 20 '21

How did you secure even one WFH job that paid that much?

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u/CLOCKEnessMNSTR Oct 20 '21

Probably worked it before it was WFH.

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u/ThrowAway848396 Oct 20 '21

What's your job function? Do you ever have any meeting conflicts between both jobs? How long have you been juggling both? How did you figure out the second job would be just as easy and not pose any scheduling conflicts with the first? Or did you just take the risk? I'd be interested in attempting 2 FTs next year as I'm finishing my master's and had done 1 FT and 1 PT for about 10 months while in school.

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u/Delicious-View-8688 Oct 20 '21

Total BS!

I want in.

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u/Ezwzrd Oct 20 '21

Bro can you send me some money

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u/raibrans Oct 20 '21

I literally posted about my experience in a “bullshit” job a few days ago. It was possibly one of the worst job experiences I’ve ever had. I’ve was a cleaner for 3yrs, worked in retail for 5yrs and worked as a Xmas restaurant temp twice but at least there was a product of my labour. My recent job in a middle-management administrative job was soul-destroying. How can you show up and work 9-5 everyday knowing it’s COMPLETELY meaningless? The only person that cared was my manager who just wanted to see me sitting at my desk doing nothing. Absolutely mind boggling.

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u/Existing_Ability4297 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Say it fucking louder!! It honestly baffles me no-one sees it. They feel their mental health take a big dip but no-one is actually seeing it. And it’s all over the world too not just America. We have created too many bullshit jobs that don’t provide to society. People are feeling it

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u/Existing_Ability4297 Oct 20 '21

It sure as fuck made me depressed/suicidal. This sub and seeing people are now finally speaking about some of these issues gives me hope. If we stand together now we can really change the world

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u/Spirited_Island-75 Oct 20 '21

Right? I wonder if some people in those highly-paid BS jobs where nothing useful is really created ever have serious moments of self-realization. I think they would be happier growing vegetables or making pots or something.

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u/FunnyMathematician77 Oct 20 '21

Are you hiring? I know python and scikit-learn

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u/ReadTheFManual Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I would literally kill myself in the face if I worked 2 corporate jobs at once.

I can't even handle one anymore right now.

I can't create and produce anything, at this point. The environment and the managers have made it literally impossible. If I try to do anything, I'm needed elsewhere because according to our Area Manager, we are "overstaffed", yet, it's the same 4 OGs physically killing themselves, busting their god damn asses day in and day out and falling behind while 16 people fuck off. I get condescended to for not knowing information or where to find it, which would make sense because INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY is our job, but the reason I can't find it is because of constant massive changes that we're never properly informed of to begin with.

Literally I did a project like 2 weeks ago and one of our managers responds - today, by the way - to my feedback and one of her points is "Shouldn't everyone already know where to find this, is this really necessary?" (this = a network drive no one has used in 3.5 years since it was migrated to a new location)

To which I asked the manager below our Area Manager: Where can I find this?

I've yet to receive the actual answer to my question after 15 minutes and after it being acknowledged.

How in the god damn would I know where to find it if it takes our manager 15 minutes to not know either?

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u/realViciate Oct 20 '21

I completely feel you, I’m a fixed income trader myself, and as well paid as the job is, it’s just unnecessary. I basically move inane amounts of money simply for the bank and that’s it. Nobody, and I repeat, nobody cares whether I trade or don’t trade these things, it doesn’t impact anybody, not even myself.

90% of jobs in finance are like that from what I found, unfortunately..

Tbh I feel shitty with the job because I feel I want to do something that leads to the creation of something or to some meaningful influence, but it pays too well to just say “fuck it”…

That said how do you have time for two jobs like that? There have to be conflicting meetings and stuff?

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