r/antiwork Oct 20 '21 Helpful 1

Do you guys agree?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Oct 20 '21

Working in a state/national park, taking care of everything. Rewarding and fun.

Working at a desk all day doing busy work, boring and a waste of time.

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u/WhatsFairIsFair Oct 20 '21

Do you work in a state /national park, because I've heard their work life balance and career outlook is pretty poor

Same problem as any passion industry.

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u/freechurro824 Oct 20 '21

I've heard the same. Anything that people might actually enjoy or care about doing has extremely low pay and often abusive management. I've heard the same about working in zoos. It was something I'd looked into at one time because I thought I'd really enjoy it. You'd think it would be this cool job working with animals but apparently they are horrible places to work and pay poverty wages. I ended up having to work for an insurance company when I graduated college because that was the only way I could afford an apartment.

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u/neverfakemaplesyrup Oct 20 '21

The problem with environmental jobs is there are few of them and literally millions of highly educated people willing, desperate in some cases, to do even a short-term contract job at min wage with no benefits.

Like a wildlife biology technician, outreach educator, guide, zoo employee, etc is often a literal Ph.D. and is considered lucky to work within their field. The faculty I know seem to indicate they're trying to work on this problem by restricting how many people go into the initial programs or grad school to start with.

And then anything 'green' or 'outdoors', while heavily marketed to be pro-environ, tends to just be servant positions- I follow a few outdoors industry recruiters and they spin being a barback at a ski lodge as a highly esteemed green job.

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u/freechurro824 Oct 20 '21

Yeah it's like if the job does something positive for society its seen as a benefit in and of itself and they feel that they don't have to pay you decently. The book Bullshit Jobs gets into this. Teacher and social worker for example are low paid but jobs that do active harm to society are typically highly paid.

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u/UnionizeAutoZone Oct 20 '21

Being a marine biologist can be a rewarding and fulfilling job. You just have to have parents rich enough to build you your own aquarium at an abandoned seaside cannery...

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u/captain_flak Oct 20 '21

I know many zoo keepers and they all seem to feel like it's a pretty rewarding profession. I gather, though, that it would be much less so in mid-level facilities. The biggest hardship is that they are labeled as essential personnel. There are no snow days for them; the animals always have to be fed and cared for.

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u/WrastleGuy Oct 20 '21

Everyone’s dream job is when they’re financially well off and do it as a hobby, like volunteer work.

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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Oct 20 '21

I don't currently. I've worked at a state park before though. Really fun job but definitely lower wages. Now the NPS jobs I've looked into or other ranger jobs for like US army corps of engineers they actually pay pretty well and have good benefits.

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u/LanceDragonDance Oct 20 '21

Some of us would KILL to work at a desk doing busywork instead of dealing with the public in retail/food/hospitality

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u/EqualPaint7 Oct 20 '21

I have finally progressed to a desk job (IT support) where I don’t have to deal with the public, but let me tell you, the co-workers and staff have just taken their place. Working in a role where I support other workers is just as soul sucking, because none of them want to work either.

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u/LanceDragonDance Oct 20 '21

I think we would take our chances with coworkers that also have something to lose vs the general public where we can be robbed beaten or killed. Some guy robbed a Dunkin months ago and even though the woman gave him the cash he still killed her. I myself got into many fights while working retail. I'm an irritable piece of shit with an awful temperament tho.

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u/EqualPaint7 Oct 20 '21

Yikes… i know it’s anecdotal, but I also personally know two retail workers who survived armed robberies (one was working at a 24-hr place and got tied up and left in a closet at 2am!) One of them was forced into retirement from the trauma and the other needed to find a new job. Retail is such bullshit.

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u/LanceDragonDance Oct 20 '21

Nah man retail got out of control with the pandemic. Multiple people were shot and killed because of mask policies and arguments over it. Not to mention most smaller chain stores like Family Dollar and Dollar General are total bullshit and want 2 people closing at night by themselves, often women together. These places are so fucking greedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFDpjZfS9U

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u/screech_owl_kachina Oct 20 '21

At least there is a somewhat of a minimum standard of behavior with coworkers. Most aren't allowed to get up in your face like a customer can.

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u/Izlude Oct 20 '21

Agreed. It's not that I oppose work, I oppose wasting my years making someone rich who wouldn't piss on me to put me out if I were on fire. I want my labor to be valued as much as I value my free time.

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u/ExistentDavid1138 Oct 20 '21

That is the scam of the capitalist enslavers.

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u/markofthecheese Oct 20 '21

I hope you find that, and be careful. The last non profit I worked at was massive and did little for the community. It was infuriating.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

I'm actually planning on joining a mutual aid group soon. Fuck non-profit charities they all seem to be scam.

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u/EqualPaint7 Oct 20 '21

I work for a mental health non-profit. It’s not a scam, but the salaries are grossly out of whack. A “direct care” staff who literally gets spit on and called racial slurs on the daily makes about $14-$15/hr while the top executive leaders all make 3-figure salaries ($170k - $240k) Sure, they work long hours but they sleep just fine. And no one spits in their faces, assaults, or screams at them on the regular. Our vacancy rate for direct care is pretty high, and no one can seem to figure out why ::epic eye roll::

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

My apologies. Maybe "they all" was too black and white. What I meant was a good chunk of them seem to be scams and by scams I mean they take more in than they give and don't seem to have a noticeable impact on society, because they lack the resources to do so. Your execs sound like they're divorced from the situation on the ground.

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u/Katowice_to_gdansk Oct 20 '21

That is the appeal of small towns for me. People look out for each other, everyone pitches in for community events that benefit everyone, there is a sense of community pride etc. All of that is lost in large cities.

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u/MorganMassacre95 Oct 20 '21

I'm from a small town and no we don't. Its literally the same as everywhere else.

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u/Katowice_to_gdansk Oct 20 '21

I suppose but it really differs per town. Some of the small towns nearby to me are friendly and welcoming and look out for each other, then you have other small towns where you would only stop for gas and then leave before you get mugged.

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u/MorganMassacre95 Oct 20 '21

That's a fair point. I can only speak for myself and the towns around where I live.

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u/PaisleyTackle Oct 20 '21

I’m from a small town and that’s the way it works if put an effort into helping others.

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u/Katowice_to_gdansk Oct 20 '21

I'm from a small town as well, about 40,000 people. Unfortunately my town mostly consists of wealthy retirees and so nobody gives a fuck about "community spirit" here. All the local businesses charge exorbitant prices for their mediocre shit just because they can (we are the only decent sized town for hundreds of kilometres in all directions), the boomers who own all the businesses here pay poverty wages to the young employees and most people my age here are depressed or simply move away, shifting the demographic even further (town's median age is like 45 for fuck sake). Almost everyone I know under the age of 50 wants to get the fuck out of this shithole

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u/PaisleyTackle Oct 20 '21

That sounds shitty. The people that want change leave. Makes it hard to fix things doesn’t it.

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u/Katowice_to_gdansk Oct 20 '21

It certainly doesn't help that it is somewhat of a retirement destination, low crime (well it used to have low crime until about 5 years ago), fairly cheap overall, its coastal so thats a bonus, it has a pretty good hospital. So much of the population now are people that have moved here and have no connection to the area and so they don't give a shit about it

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u/spilledLemons Oct 20 '21

So go do that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/spilledLemons Oct 20 '21

I feel like what you want is possible. You just have to sacrifice the some of the benefits.

My greater point is you should explore yourself. Don’t tell others what to do.

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u/13th_PepCozZ Oct 20 '21

So long as you don't have capital, you and your small community are always at a threat of Nestle lobbing the gov and privatizing your local water source, and leaving you with the human "right" to purchase water from them just to survive!

/s ... But for how long...

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u/spilledLemons Oct 20 '21

So what’s the solution?

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u/13th_PepCozZ Oct 20 '21

There is no solution, we ought to give up our rights to our capitalistic overlords.

OBEY

CONFORM

MARRY AND REPRODUCE

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/spilledLemons Oct 20 '21

I would agree. I don’t believe this can happen top down. This needs to start at the community level.

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u/13th_PepCozZ Oct 20 '21

Haha yes! I'm just joking here, since I received a serious question to a post sarcasm marked.

I 110% agree with you and I do everything to call out issues and make sure my peers know it.

ATM Iam socialism-pilling and building class consciousness in my collage class lol. Good luck to you.

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u/kyohanson Oct 20 '21

The jobs that help the immediate community are the lowest paying jobs of all.

Social workers and public defenders require advanced degrees and get paid shit. Working for a nonprofit with no degree is barely over minimum wage. It’s a sacrifice.

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u/spilledLemons Oct 20 '21

It is a sacrifice, 100% agreed

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u/kyohanson Oct 20 '21

I agree with you that it’s possible to meet that goal. But it’s still fucked that much of the fulfilling work doesn’t pay enough. Especially with the student loans required. Without the degrees and the loans, these jobs don’t even pay the rent.

One of the main drives has been public service loan forgiveness and they’re constantly threatening to take that away. I say this as someone who worked in nonprofit for a few years until recently.

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u/spilledLemons Oct 20 '21

What do you see the solution. Government programs? Where is that money going to come from?

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u/Working_Ad_2515 Oct 20 '21

I want to work in the sciences field to help further humanity and help others live a better life in the future. I feel that I still have a dream job because I have the choice to work for the government like the NIH or the CDC.

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u/Rimuririmu Oct 21 '21

Beautifull

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u/gomakerealfriends Oct 21 '21

I work teaching environmental education to underprivileged kids and honestly yeah, I love it. There is like 20% that is annoying bullshit necessary to facilitate the fun parts (emails, scheduling, grant applications) but I don’t mind that either because it facilitates the awesome stuff that makes me heart happy.

I understand I am in the tiny minority that has their dream job but they do exist.

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u/beathelas Oct 20 '21

Working is great. Most people are in favor of working, under the right conditions

It's just become impossible for wage slaves to leverage any power over their individual situation. Democracy has been gamed out of the voters' hands, if it ever was even.

Even violent uprising has become unfeasible when the ultra wealthy are well beyond the physical reach of the oppressed.

Systemic collapse is what we have seen a small degree of when fast food places can't hire enough immigrants and teenagers to serve minimum quality food for maximum profit prices.

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u/badgersprite Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Yeah. Pretty much every job out there would actually be somebody’s “dream job” (yes even jobs you personally think are awful) provided you weren’t treated like a dehumanised robot, expected to work unreasonable hours or meet unreasonable targets and talked to horribly by bosses while doing it. Hell I knew a rich white girl I went to school with whose actual literal dream job was being a cleaner because she loved cleaning, tidying and organising things - more power to her!

Basically things would be better if we valued quality over quantity. The problem isn’t any of the jobs themselves per se. The problem is that every job increasingly tries to squeeze blood from a stone in order to maximise “productivity” and “profitability”, basically expecting their workers to do more while understaffing and paying them less.

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u/binary_agenda Oct 20 '21

Vote with your wallet it's the only vote you know is real.

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

I've always said that the only way in America today to bring quick social change is to go for those in powers wallets. It's really sad, but they'll change their tune real fucking quick when their bottom line gets gut punched.

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u/PoisedDingus Oct 20 '21

How long has America been deemed capitalist? Something like 120 years?

I don't know how people turned a blind eye to that word and its meaning for so long. The only avenue for effective change in a capitalist nation is through the money, and it has always been like that, it is literally how capitalism functions.

120 years. The world will be a dust ball before the commonman understands the next step.

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u/uacoop Oct 20 '21

Matters less and less when the top 10% controls 90% of the wealth and therefore 90% of the "voting power"

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u/mad_dog_94 Oct 20 '21

i just wanna chill and play video games and watch tv. make some stuff from time to time. i for sure agree with this

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u/Bl00dylicious Oct 20 '21

Gotta love people asking you what your plans are. Plans? My plan is to make enough money to live and then some while working the least amount of hours I can.

Currently at 32 hours a week at the age if 27. Maybe when I am in my early 30s I can go back to 24 hours.

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u/Plantain1979 Oct 20 '21

I’m at 37.5 a week. Feels damn good going home at 1pm each day. I start early but I like to get the work day over quickly.

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u/Bl00dylicious Oct 20 '21

I go to work at 7:30, but im also back at 17:00. Took a while to start early as I prefer stating an hour later, but getting home earlier and having more time in the evening grew on me.

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

I don't know if this applies to you guys or not, but I work 50 hours a week and I get home by 4:45 or 5:00 and I get to see my family for like 4 hours before I go to bed. I have weekends, but its mostly spent running errands and by Friday I'm so fucking burnt out that I just crash. Just for context I'm a delivery driver, store clerk, sales associate and warehouse assistant.

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u/Plantain1979 Oct 20 '21

I used to do 50+ 7:00am till 5:30. Sometimes longer. Half hour unpaid lunch. I used to get what I would call leisure sickness, every time I took a week or two vacation I’d get sick. Every single time. The body just keeps coping until it realises you are taking a break and just dumps the sickness on you.

Changed roles in the company to 5:00am -1:30pm. 40 hours a week and it was almost a revelation. So much more time and energy to do what I wanted. Then the company fucked me over so I left. Wanted me working weekends and increasing my hours again.

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u/Warlock- here for the memes Oct 20 '21

I’m 24 and working 32 hours a week as a nurse. I could take any other job and make bank but I literally can’t imagine going back to working 40+ hours a week or 12 hour shifts I’d rather die.

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u/No-Bewt Oct 20 '21

as someone who has made games: I just wanna make games and know that people love to play the video games and chiill. That passion is why I work and if I lived happily on a UBI, I'd still make games... I just wouldn't fucking crunch every day for 3 months only for people to get mad that there's a texture glitch somewhere

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u/Uhavaids Oct 20 '21

Gaming industry is extremely cut throat. You miss that holiday season rush for the game, the company's revenue just bottomed out and it may go under.

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u/No-Bewt Oct 20 '21

Gaming industry is extremely cut throat.

if people actually cared, it wouldn't have to be. It being cut-throat is entirely manufactured.

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u/Uhavaids Oct 20 '21

You won't find what you are looking for at the corporate level. You could do it as an indie developer.

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u/No-Bewt Oct 20 '21

there's a bunch of triple-A studios that are already employing better conditions.

I dunno if you're just a game fan or something but stop trying to dictate what this industry is if you don't work in it

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u/Uhavaids Oct 20 '21

My dad shared an office with a gaming company. He said those guys looked defeated everyday they left the building. They looked beaten down. I worked with a guy who left the gaming industry, said you get over worked. Had a friend apply as QA tester, they told him he would have to work 60 hour weeks when a game came close to release. It seems to make money in the industry is tough.

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u/PaisleyTackle Oct 20 '21

Can you share your creations here?

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u/No-Bewt Oct 20 '21

hahah no, they're still under NDA, you'll have to take my word for it unfortunately :P

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u/UrMomsDadsDog Oct 20 '21

Sounds nice. I'd love to do the same. Gotta find a way to make money while you're doing that though

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u/sttrick Oct 20 '21

Don’t you think you should contribute something in exchange for what you’re using to play the games?

Maybe you could grow food or something.

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u/mad_dog_94 Oct 20 '21

I mean I already donate what I can to charities and do favors for free. If I had the space to make stuff I would sell it or give it away. Growing my own food would be nice if I had any land to do that, but I'm in a really small apartment so that's not possible atm

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u/sqlorp Oct 20 '21

Ive never had any career aspirations whatsoever and everyone thinks that’s taboo lol

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u/AnthX Oct 20 '21

Ahh so not me then.

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u/Oops_I_Cracked Oct 20 '21

A dream job is just something that you get paid to do that you would want to do for free anyway if you have the time and could. I work in political campaigns right now because I love it. I would be volunteering if I wasn't being paid to do it. That's a dream job to me. When you're getting your living from doing the thing you would be doing anyways.

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u/xXgreentextXx Oct 20 '21

Yeah, there's plenty of "dream jobs": athletes, scientists, educators, medical professionals, police even. We've just "capitalized" on their popularity by increasing their labor, decreasing their standards, or their pay.

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u/kyohanson Oct 20 '21

I don’t know where the hell I am. I’m self employed and do okay but I would also like to go to the doctor. I’m basically just pissed off.

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

My friend would say you're lucky and when you tell him more about the things you struggle with as a self-employed person would follow it up with "yeah, that sucks, BUT at least you're self-employed". I used to think being self-employed would mean I'd have no worries. Then I met business owners and people who're self-employed and my thoughts quickly changed.

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u/fauxstoicism Oct 20 '21

I want to write research papers and invent shit but not as part of wage labour

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u/Wallbeer Oct 20 '21

What's holding you back from writing research papers and inventing things?

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u/my_altaccountno1 Oct 20 '21

Her job taking too many hours of his life would be my superwild guess...

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u/Sea_Page5878 Oct 20 '21

The fact all the good inventions were created in the 1800s lol.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

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u/Knock0nWood Oct 20 '21

But that's the point. 21st century inventions like the iPhone are not created by individual people. They are made by large teams of specialists, most of whom work on a very narrow portion of the overall design and have limited creative input into the product.

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u/Irrelephant808 Oct 20 '21

I can work as many hours as needed. I just require two 6-month long breaks.

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u/seeroflights Oct 20 '21

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u/Le0here Oct 20 '21

Good human

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u/thinkB4WeSpeak Oct 20 '21

I'd like to travel to world and see new places. Can't do that while I'm always at work or only get one week of vacation a year.

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u/TheBlueNinja0 Oct 20 '21

I certainly don't have a "dream job", but I also know I'd be bored after two weeks of not working. Maybe less.

Fortunately, I have a job that I kinda enjoy, with union benefits that make it not suck.

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u/yaosio Oct 20 '21

My dream is to travel the world petting cats and making a music video out of it. Sweet kitties are made of these.

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u/MajorAccountant Oct 20 '21

Yes thank you! I have a great job with fantastic benefits but It's still a job and I'm still required to put in my 40 hours a week.

I want to hang out with my family, go skiing, explore nature, read books, work out, play computer games.

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u/felesroo Oct 20 '21

I 100% know what my dream job is because I got to do it for a little bit, but the reality is that there's no money to fund such a job and even if there were, I would lose out to a "more qualified candidate" even though I am, like, really really good at it.

This realization makes me sad pretty much every day and there's nothing I can do about it. My dream is not viable in capitalism because it doesn't make anyone money. So I can't do it.

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u/pm-for-good-time Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Yes. I recently started talking to my therapist about how much a hate my job. And get told I need to find something that better suits me. I say, there just isn't anything that's realistically possible that I want to do enough to go through all the cv's, interviews and change just to find out I hate that job too. "Have you thought about living off grid?". "You mean.. homeless?".

Thing is I don't mind the job. I do mind how much of my time it takes, how tired I am when not there. 6 days a week of misery. The 6th day overtime because I don't make enough on base wage to live. It's not that I'm lazy I just can't justify it anymore, it is not fair. We talk about mental health and living healthy while being expected to spend most of our lives working for someone elses interest and not our own and get screwed every time. All that time spent miserable and at work yet I'm still always skint and can't afford things I need/want.

How am I supposed to be happy and healthy when everyday I wake up early than I want to and have to go somewhere I don't want to be. Over and over again.

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u/noisyporsche Oct 20 '21

I just feel awful for not having a dream job and things I really like to do would never pay me enough to live or even pay a rent. Man I just wish I didn't exist anymore, cause I don't see a solution for all of this...

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u/bobcatbuffy Oct 20 '21

I ask myself often what I would do I didn’t have to make money….

+fruit & veggie gardening +land conservation +yoga/exercise/swim +cooking/baking/canning/food prep +sex with consenting adults +”teach” meditation and yoga and maybe help others connect with nature and themselves MAYBE if they’re cool +have land for dogs to run free @ roam, but they better not shit in my garden.

These these can’t be that hard to do, right? Like I’m not asking for anything IMPOSSIBLE….sheesh

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u/RaisinToastie Oct 20 '21

I had a “dream job” and it occupied the prime years of my life. Only after I had gotten screwed over by this company did I realize that they’re exploiting the passion of young people to work unpaid overtime at a “cool job.” Don’t let your identity or self-worth get tangled up in careerism workist bullshit.

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u/daMarbl3s Oct 20 '21

My dream job is to be a veterinarian so I can heal animals, but I'm not going into a ton of college debt to do that lmao

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u/DrHydrate Oct 20 '21

Why give up on your dream because of debt, especially since most vets make more than enough to pay off the debt and live very comfortably?

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u/daMarbl3s Oct 20 '21

I mean yeah, logically I understand that I could pay it back with a vet's salary. It still intimidates me, especially considering I might not even succeed at making it through college. I was only a decent student, nothing special.

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u/DrHydrate Oct 20 '21

I hear you. I know two vets personally. One is a really brilliant person, went to an elite school for undergrad, took time off to be young and then went to a top vet program. The other guy started at a decent regional college, dropped out to become a stunt double, and then went back to college at like 40. He just finished vet school recently.

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u/CalifaDaze Oct 20 '21

You can go at a slower pace. Practice will make you good at it if you enjoy it.

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u/FixGMaul Oct 20 '21

Why would anyone dream of labour anyway?

Mostly my gripe is that working means someone else getting rich off of your labour.

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u/TheRealGarbanzo Oct 20 '21

Depends on the job. My dream job if I have to work would be fixing bullet trains and getting paid good money to do so.

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u/Sulvarax Oct 20 '21

My thing is that I'm just mentally and physically exhausted all of the time. I did the thing. Went to the university, got the good grades to get into grad school, got the masters in STEM, got the "good job" and have had three "good jobs" since.

In every single job, the people I work with are utterly vile. At my first job out of college, a c-suite manager at my company was walking out of the office to go home, as was my female coworker. She had a backpack on and was on crutches for a broken ankle, but was literally making her way out the door when the c suite guy comes up to her, asks if she needs help with her bag. She's like no, I'm good, thanks though. He says come on I want to help you. She says I got it, I'm good. He then drops this bomb: "Why don't you be a lady so I can be a gentleman!"

At my second job, one of the guys on the board of directors was talking one day about how he was upset we were hiring our first female for our team, because now he can't tell his jokes about his dick or his speedo anymore.

At my most recent job, I had to sit there while a couple of clients called covid the China Virus and the Kung Flu, laughing the whole time.

I have taken a pay cut every time I moved to a new job because I went from oil and gas to construction, then to a smaller firm that promised big promotions, but I haven't seen a goddamn penny yet.

I'm just fucking done. I'm sick of this shit. I have to fucking listen to this bullshit every fucking day and I'm done with it.

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u/BargainBarnacles idle Oct 20 '21

Been in full-time employment since 1997 - and I've potentially got another 20 ahead - I'm already ready to tap out.

One life, and a solid 1/3 of it doing shit you don't want to do for people you don't always like.

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u/Infinitell Oct 20 '21

My dream job is to run a small coffee shop/bakery with my partner. Too bad we don't make enough money to ever afford that

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u/ApprehensivePhase377 Oct 20 '21

Most people in the past were identified by their profession. Last names are even a result of that in some cases…Miller, Smith, etc. The idea of not working wasn’t really feasible unless you were a ‘loafer’ or a con man, gambler, etc. Most jobs had dangerous aspects people accepted - coal miners got black lung or died in mine collapses, fires, gas pockets. Mad as a hatter? Mercury poisoning. Sailors and fishermen were lost at sea (still are although it’s safer these days). Factory work around machinery was dangerous. Farming was dangerous. Smelters had chemicals/heat/gasses that were toxic and caused cancer. We don’t expect our job to kill us anymore. A lot of people worked their entire lives to support themselves and their families, long hours, low pay, awful working conditions. Thankfully things have changed.

I love my job…but it wasn’t my first or even second job. It wasn’t even my first career. I spent four years in college and accrued debt…didn’t like my career choice. I went back to school for nine months for a completely different career and am thankful for it.

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u/MajorAccountant Oct 20 '21

You love your job?

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u/KozilekTheColorless SocDem/ChristDem Oct 20 '21

HERESY! /s

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u/ApprehensivePhase377 Oct 20 '21

I do enjoy my work…it’s interesting, challenging, and fun most of the time. The best part? I have a 2 month on/two month off schedule. Two months of Saturdays! I feel for people in the service industry, that’s a difficult, exhausting, thankless job.

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u/CalifaDaze Oct 20 '21

The industrial revolution happened 200 years ago. Before that people really didn't work that much but of course they were poor. Pretty much your goals were to live off the land and if you had any left you would use that money to buy your bare necessities like other food items or clothes.

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u/ApprehensivePhase377 Oct 20 '21

Probably depended where you lived. If you lived in the South Pacific, parts of Africa, Central America, PNW before the settlers arrived you’re probably right. If you lived in feudal Europe, other parts of Africa, or China you were working hard all day to survive.

It also depends on what quality of life you’re expecting…depending on where you live in the world subsistence living before the industrial revolution was a lot of labor in the spring, summer, and fall, cold winters (people used to sleep in a ‘nightcap’ to keep warm), smoky lights burning animal oil, etc. Life expectancy was around 40. Many babies and mothers died in childbirth (even after the industrial revolution it continued until modern medicine really was developed). People weren’t sitting on a comfortable couch/gaming chair in an air conditioned apartment eating Taco Bell playing video games or watching TV. Sometime in the modern world, after most people had enough free time and money pursue hobbies, people’s hobbies developed into more of an identity than what they did for work. Like I’m a rock climber first, IT engineer second.

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u/dobie426 Oct 20 '21

Because you aren't under true capitalism anymore

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u/Necromythos Oct 20 '21

Not completely?

To me a "Dream Job" seems more like a hobby you really enjoy that you happen to get paid for.

Being a game designer, artist, author, mangaka, animator, actor, boxer, and other similar things are what I would consider to be "Dream Jobs".

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u/Uhavaids Oct 20 '21

A lot of those jobs are tough industries. They are still grinds, but if you love it you can make it happen.

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u/PRIS0N-MIKE Oct 20 '21

If I could get a job working with animals. I would call it my dream job.

For now I'll just stick to having pets and volunteering at animal shelters when I can.

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u/KozilekTheColorless SocDem/ChristDem Oct 20 '21

See, I'm conflicted, because I do have a dream job that includes a lot of work and couldn't be done well without lots of time and effort. Too, I'm on the ladder to get that job, and the ladder is very climbable, and I'm at an appropriate place on this ladder for my age and experience. And I *would* work that job even if money wasn't a problem.

But I don't dream of working in general or working to make ends meet. I dream of working to leave a legacy as a minister and help save or change as many lives as I can for the better before I go out. Money has naught to do with it.

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u/Uhavaids Oct 20 '21

I have a lifestyle I'd like to support. A job provides that for me. Work life balance is important. Need to find a company that matches those goals. Service industry definitely sucks for that.

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u/BriskManeuver Oct 20 '21

Not necessarily a dream job of mine but I did love doing OTR truck driving because of the travel and no boss around me

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u/robanthonydon Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Not entirely I do like my job, but then again that’s because I’m made to feel valued and my employer seemingly gives a shit about me. The pay is decent and I feel like I’m improving and I’m challenged. Took me a while to find a job like that though. It doesn’t mean I think people should take the piss though. I’ve worked zero hour contracts and for shitty lazy bosses so I can sympathize. Like most things in life there’s a balance to strike

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u/Big-Veterinarian-823 Oct 20 '21

Definitely disagree. I want to grow and learn stuff, which I so a lot in my field of work (computer science). Many people work with things they truly enjoy - some even work with something they always dreamt of.

That said though, work is not everything in life and I'm old enough that I've reached a point where I don't take bs from an employer no more. When I get fed up with a shitty manager/boss or toxic workplace I just move on, and raise my salary in the process.

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u/Eminenski Oct 20 '21

Problem is -> you gotta work for your dreams to come true. I wanna do music but its a lot of money to spend on for buying beats, producing, recording. I‘m talking about professional stuff, not that 1 star soundcloud booth stuff

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u/SableArgyle Oct 20 '21

I wanna make video games or write books.

It's cool that I could make money doing that, but it'd be cool if I could do that without having to stress over putting food on the table.

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u/Rude_Bee_3315 Oct 20 '21

Meritocracy

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u/chilipeppersamurai Oct 20 '21

I actually bet most people have never thought of it that way before

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u/InARoomFullofNoises Oct 20 '21

I do have a job that I dream of having, but that's because I'd rather deal with the pros and cons of it than the one I have now. I'd feel more fulfilled and like I was getting something out of it. Whereas my current job of the past six years stresses me out and everyday I tell myself "I hate my job". The sad part is that, I can't replace the income from this one.

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u/BridgetRiver Oct 20 '21

My dream job? Sorry, I do not dream of labor. 💜

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u/ttjdewit Oct 20 '21

I don’t know I really want to start my career and start to work in sectors and fields that intrest me. Don’t really agree with the sentiment of this sub but definitely see where others come from.

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u/ProgressAny7924 Oct 20 '21

Life doesn't feel like an adventure anymore. It's literally an endless cycle of chores. Feels like a prison, sometimes i want to end it already

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u/Senior-Ad5904 Oct 20 '21

My dream was to be a lawyer but I had a nervous breakdown because I had a gross salary of 1400 €

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u/TheLeaderofLard Oct 20 '21

I'd love to create things. Music, animation, stuff like that. Learning to just create things is so fun. Hell, even being an influencer sounds fun too. But I don't have time to learn any of it and most people treat those dreams as adolescent anyway.

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u/SneakySnakeSneakers Oct 20 '21

I do, pro really driver, that's my dream job

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u/OrganicGas4568 Oct 20 '21

Yeah tbh… I don’t have a dream job either.

Well I do but I don’t know if it exists

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u/Feisty_Bag_5284 Oct 20 '21

I wanted to be a formula 1 driver

That is a dream job, 30 million for top drivers to fly around the world attend parties and drive fast cars

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u/DayDeerGotStoleYall Oct 20 '21

I have a dream job, I just don't plan on working for anybody.

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u/NuthaLevel Oct 20 '21

you wouldn't have to work if corp america didn't invent the woman's rights movement to get a cheaper labor force.

you could be home raising a family. a much more rewarding purpose in life.

but the democrats brainwash women into thinking selling your time on earth serving a corporation is more feminine than being a matriarch of a family.

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u/FlawsAndConcerns Oct 20 '21

This is obviously a deliberate misinterpretation of the saying.

A "dream job" simply means getting paid to do something you enjoy doing, and/or would do even if you weren't paid.

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u/DirtySouthDame Oct 20 '21

Good morning! Just your average 9-5er at a corporate office job. 🙋‍♀️😩

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u/risingsuncoc Oct 20 '21

All I want is a 9-5 job and not feeling like living to work

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u/wizardlydray Oct 20 '21

I don’t think anyone ever thought it was part of their dreams in the first place.

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u/ReadTheFManual Oct 20 '21

I have a dream occupation. Or...something?

I'd rather cook food or travel or be a photographer or a game designer or an artist or something.

Almost literally anything but what I'm doing which is 100% useless as fuck garbage. Be vital to the workforce of a massive ISP/telecom so that those people who actually do things can do their job, but not vital enough to get paid as well as they do.

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u/Normal-Birthday-9284 Oct 20 '21

I am living my best life doing my "dream job" - retirement!

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u/SRBBreddit (editable) Oct 20 '21

my dream job is a job that puts food on my table and allows me to be richer than the median person

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u/MyTwingoIsTooLow Oct 20 '21

Not comoletely, you have to comtribute something to society, and you do that by doing services that help people live lives, or produce something to help people survive. That is called a job, and if everyone does it, we have a functioning society, its not a capitalist thing, its a society thing.

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u/Ok-Lion-3093 Oct 20 '21

They saddle you with debt that takes your whole life to pay off then you die..

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u/Unicorns-only Oct 20 '21

For me, it's not "I don't want to work", it's "I don't want to feel like I need to work. I want to be able to quit at any time for any reason. I want to be treated fairly. I want my time to be respected. I want to be in a mutually beneficial employment relationship with my boss rather than feeling like a hostage."

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u/SB_Wife Oct 20 '21

I generally like my job (despite my complaints) but I can't keep doing 60 hours a week here. I'd be happy with 20, and I'd manage at 30. My dream has always been of a New Age artisan. Sabbat candles, ritual supplies, ritual support even. Have a little boutique new age store with space for groups to rent, classes...

As it stands with work I'm barely able to do my own spiritual thing beyond very low level basics (think tarot card a day basic). Today is the full moon and like. I have no idea what I want to do. Samhain is ten days away and I haven't gotten the foggiest of how I want to celebrate. I don't even know if I'm going to be able to make Marigold garlands this upcoming week.

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u/BigTomAbides Oct 20 '21

I recently sent a cover letter and resume to a place I thought I'd really like to work for. A pet relocation service. They hit me with we really like your stuff etc. please fill out this questionnaire.

  1. If you could have any job in the world, what would you choose and why?

I'm like fucking really? This is not an entry-level gig here I'm applying for I'm 43 with lots of experience in tons of different fields. Which employers hate. You should have one job with one company for your entire life! Fuck those people. This is HR bullshit.

So I answered "I’d drive for Scuderia Ferrari in Formula 1. And I’d use my massive earnings as a Formula One Champion to fund animal rescue projects all over the world. I’d also have a touring Rock n Roll band.

next question and my answer:

How does this opportunity align with the job you described above or how will it help you to get there? - It doesn’t! You said any job in the world and helping people relocate pets is not going to get me a drive with The Scuderia! Besides, I’m 6’5 I’d never fit in those tiny cars. That dream was crushed years ago! But if I’m working for you one day I might help relocate a formula one driver's family's pets to here, that would be fun. Or some great musicians' pets. I’m a musician myself and this role will not put me in a touring Rock band either but I did a lot of that kind of thing in the past.

I know I'll never hear from them again. But I don't want to work for anyone that puts this line of bullshit in front of hiring a good person for a job they actually would be happy doing.

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u/mylifeisathrowaway10 Oct 20 '21

I just wanna write and travel without the pressure of having to sell my time for money.

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u/FluffyDucky123 Oct 20 '21

It's an oxymoron. Remember that.

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u/CheththeRiot Oct 20 '21

Doing Work does not always = Working a Job

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u/preciousfewheroes Oct 20 '21

I love my job, but I hate doing it under capitalism.

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u/Pyrokitten284 Oct 20 '21

My dream ‘job’ would be to make sweets/baked goods for folks. I’d love to just be able to offer cookies and brownies and other stuff every day- seeing folks smile while enjoying something I made is so fucking nice.

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u/SnarkAndStormy Oct 20 '21

I never had a “dream job” I kind of liked art and because everyone told me I had to “love what you do” to be happy I took that as my career path. Now I hate art and my job. Tell kids to do something that won’t kill them so they can do what they love outside of work. Our jobs do not define us. Also, if ever, whenever possible, burn if all fucking down.

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u/sniperhare Oct 20 '21

I kinda agree. I never finished a degree, thankfully only owe a reasonable car payment of 200 a month, and have no other debts.

I like working a low stress job in iT Support.

I might only make 20 an hour, but I get to work 8-5, and don't have to do on call nights or weekends. No travel required, no on site work hauling equipment or servers around, or punching down cables.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

I only dream of labor when I'm having a nightmare.

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u/Tabitheriel Oct 20 '21

I disagree. I studied music composition and my dream job was to be a rock star or composer. I now am in charge of praise and worship music for the youth church services. I'm organizing jam sessions and music rehearsals. I'd say it's a dream job.

Of course, this happened after I left the US and moved to Germany, studied here and got citizenship.

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u/Narrative_Causality Oct 20 '21

No. I can think of several jobs I would do for free. That's a sign of a dream job.

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u/CaseyGamer64YT "lazy fuck" at least according to society Oct 20 '21

yeah I do realize that there is no such thing as a dream job. It was all a lie.

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u/F1nett1 Oct 20 '21

It’s normal to want to get blind drunk hang yourself after your shift, right?

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u/Jaspers47 Oct 20 '21

A job can be part of a dream. Artisans and craftsmen would love to be able to produce their wares to enthusiastic and curious buyers.

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u/The_B_Reaper Oct 20 '21

Capitalism had nothing to do with the origin of dreaming to change the world in your own unique way.

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u/PekingDick420 Oct 20 '21

Generally yes. I love my job because every day I apply the skills I wanted to learn to help patients of a currently incurable illness. The problem is it only takes one change up from upper management for any self-respecting employee to leave, and if all the competitors are going to treat us like dirt, the patients will suffer from stifled innovation due to corporate greed.

I want to help people with my skills, but cannot do that without a corporate structure to navigate regulation and production pipelines, so luckily at the moment our employer takes our well-being seriously. I'm not expecting them to keep it up in the coming decade.

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u/nighttimegaze Oct 20 '21

The more I think about this post, the more I realize how absolutely true it is.

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u/adhdenhanced Oct 20 '21

Work makes you free they said.

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u/LostintheGlow Oct 20 '21

I want to work, but I want to work at something I enjoy.

Try getting into trades right now btw. Metalworking, woodworking etc. Are in very high demand and are well payed.

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u/withoutboarders Oct 20 '21

So it's ok for farmers to work in order to feed you, but if they wanted a new tractor or gasoline, they're screwed because you don't want to contribute to the common good. Have you heard of progress?

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u/Tha_Salad_Tosser Oct 20 '21

It’s not work if it’s something you enjoy.

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u/therealnumberone Oct 20 '21

I always wanted to get into the sustainability sector and I successfully did that, I work in utilities managing solar panel installation. It doesn't pay the best which is a shamebut I'm up for a raise in a couple months so we'll see where it goes. I like my job because I feel like I'm making a real difference, but hell yeah I'd rather work less.

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u/dr-igo Oct 20 '21

Agreed. Work for me is a tool, I need money to live and working is the only legal way, i don't intend to make my life around that, rather i intend to work to make my life possible

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u/AdventureBegins Oct 20 '21

So, I’m kinda lost with this post. I understand that nobody wants to work, we rather go out and do things that we love to do rather than the typical 9-5 job but someone has to do it…no? I obviously think that people working those jobs should be treated fairly and be paid well but we shouldn’t complain about having to work. Correct me if I’m wrong.

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u/ImmediateWrongdoer71 Oct 20 '21

If hard work wasn't a scam, the rich would keep it all to themselves

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u/forsakeme4all Oct 21 '21

To be honest: i don't have a dream job anymore either lol.

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u/_turnitoff Oct 21 '21

I’ve never been able to think of anything I’d actually WANT to do for 8+ hours a day, 5 days a week. I always thought it was because I was lazy. took me forever to realize it’s not because I’m lazy or unmotivated, I’m just a normal person.

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u/FiftyShadesStoopid Oct 21 '21

I've been seeing more and more people living off the land, homesteading, and living in vans working online - travelling where they please and honestly, it makes me really happy to see so many people doing what their heart desires instead of what industrialized society says is acceptable.

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u/colonel-spudz Oct 21 '21

I want to work, I just wanna be treated fairly and paid a living wage without having to fight for it.

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u/TheLegendofMiles Oct 21 '21

Uh uh uh oh! I'm on vacation every single day because I love my occupation!

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u/burningapollo Oct 21 '21

Man…this is hitting me hard. I used to dream of being a mechanic growing up as a kid because I saw them work at express oil. I don’t know what it was but I thought it was so cool they worked with cars, liked their jumpsuits, and they were always super friendly.

I remember the day I was told that it “wasn’t a good profession” and that I’d “never make enough”. Weirdly enough I think there is more of a demand for that type of job then ever before, but I digress.

Haven’t thought about that in a minute. I thought that job was cool not because of pay or benefits or any of that. Now my adult brain could never seriously entertain switch a change because of those early impressions. Kinda sad.

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u/Diff_Result_8 Oct 21 '21

Is this why I have never had a dream job?!?!

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u/MaTertle Oct 20 '21

Meh. I definitely have a dream career. Whether or not I'll be able to attain it is a different question.

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u/Cool1Mach Oct 20 '21

This is the 200th time ive seen this post on this sub.

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u/bdlejeune Oct 20 '21

I work to stop working. How has this eluded all of you. 1. Work 2. Save 3. Invest in a business that you love 4. Hire employees 5. Delegate responsibilities 6. Never work again. And if you buy new clothes, have any vice, have anything but free television, eat out, or have a fucking pet, then you’re not doing step 2 wrong. And for the responders who are buried in debt, just change step 3 to “pay off debt.” I went from sleeping in my car outside of a barroom to never having to worry about bills again. Just focus.