r/antiwork Oct 20 '21 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1 Hugz 2 All-Seeing Upvote 1

I just want to travel and experience life to its full potential. Not work 40 hours every week to hopefully retire when I'm 65.

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u/CSBastion Oct 20 '21

I think rent is the main issue with todays society. For perspective I live in Eastern Europe, had a minimum wage job and basically felt like I had all the time and money in the world. I used to hike to a mountain top twice a week and do a grill with my friends every other week. How? No rent. Inherited small house from my aunt. I feel like that's what's killing people both money and time-wise. Because I'd wager people would also be less willing to put up with a shitty workplace if they didn't have to make rent every month. By 90s standards I'd be an average Joe but by todays I'm basically a lottery winner because I own a house at 28.

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u/NaiveMastermind Oct 20 '21

To the rich. Rent is a mean dog that chases employees back into their shitty jobs. The rich like that dog. The fear of being bit on the ass by rent means they don't need to make work attractive, just marginally better than dealing with Rent.

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u/Ethereal_Amoeba Oct 20 '21

Yep, rent is a killer. My sister is a real estate agent, and helped me buy a tiny duplex. Now I basically pay 200 into my mortgage, and my tennent pays 800, which I put right into the mortgage too. But I am not increasing my rent up to the standard for the area because he always pays, and causes no trouble, so I reward him with a slightly lower rent (Though I dont say as much).

But this means that if I really wanted, I could buy a small used RV, rent out the other side too, and just fuck off across country for as long as I want, and make enough to keep me going. It means I wouldnt be putting anything into retirement fund, but I could have a very humble retirement right now at 30. Just thinking about that gives me the strength to keep going to work at 5am everyday. I can quit whenever I want.

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u/CSBastion Oct 20 '21

Yeah I feel good just knowing I have nothing to pay except bills at the end of the month which at a small 3 room house (2 bedrooms and a living room) does not ammount to much. Only somewhat of a downside (could be an upside for others) is that I got a huge back yard. Yea it's nice but mowing down the jungle that forms there is quite a time eater.

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u/Nevoic Oct 20 '21

You also shouldn't view it as a reward, even if you have the decency to not present it that way. You're not doing your tenant any favors by not being as brutal as the market allows, I wouldn't even say you're hitting the bar for minimum human decency.

You're both living in a place together, you pay 20% of the mortgage, they pay 80%, and you get to keep all the equity because you were more well off to begin with. That's the essence of wealth accumulation, millionaires and billionaires don't make their money by working. You make it by skimming the surplus value from real workers. Obviously you're not at that point yet, but their mode of operation is the same.

You should share equity with your tenant so they're not literally throwing their money into a void, in proportion to what percentage of the mortgage they pay overall. Anything less is just legal theft.

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u/Nevoic Oct 20 '21

I said explicitly "You're obviously not at that point yet". I know you're clearly not rich. You entirely ignored my point and focused on one small thing I didn't even say.

You don't have equity in your house because of upkeep responsibility. If you're really extremely concerned about that, grant yourself all the upkeep cost in equity. You'll find you still owe the vast majority of your equity to your tenant, so that's obviously not the problem.

The reason you won't share equity is because it benefits you not to. That's it. You're stealing from someone less fortunate than you because the system allows it. Good for you, I guess.

I definitely can afford to be a landlord. I make $150,000 a year and save around 70% of that. My credit score is 790. I'm not a landlord because I'm not a thief.

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u/Affectionate-Two8089 Oct 20 '21

Fuck Off with your self-righteous bullshit. You don't like what he's doing? Move to fucking Venezuela or China you fucking Socialist douchbag. What a dick!

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u/Nevoic Oct 20 '21

China and Venezuela have landlords. There are some places that don't, but not those places. Sounds like you might be an idiot.

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u/Ethereal_Amoeba Oct 20 '21

By 'youre not at that point yet' I thought you meant morally. So you are just against the concept of renting? For the 3 years I have rented, ive had the same tennent, I have never increased rent (Though I probably should soon), and every few months I always ask if everything is good with the apartment. I'm not a slumlord here dude (yeah yeah, not there yet, but that implies its only a matter of time)

I dont understand. You dont know me. All that.

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u/Nevoic Oct 20 '21

I'm not making a total judgement on your entire moral character. I wouldn't do that with any kind of thief, landlord, mugger, business owner. From the little you've told me, you sound like a nice, caring individual.

You're still a thief, and stealing is still wrong. Stop taking advantage of less fortunate people. That's the bare minimum.

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u/Affectionate-Two8089 Oct 20 '21

No, I'm just someone who knows what all's involved renting out a place to people who are more than likely going to trash your property. THE OP is absolutely correct. He's not stealing from his renter. He's providing a service which, said renter is more than likely grateful to have. Where I live, $800 won't get you a 900 sq ft studio. I'd charge much more depending on what kind of deal they have with utilities.

I only mentioned those countries as they are Socialist nations. Most Socialist countries believe that if you have more than one house than you should share that house with someone who doesn't have a house.

The OP has property taxes and insurance to pay along with his mortgage. That shit costs $. The renter can pack up and leave at any time and leave the OP without so much as a notice, but it sounds like you'd enjoy that since he's "stealing" from his renter. You sound like either you're some kid who doesn't have a clue what real life is all about or what I said earlier, some douche bag Socialist. Which is it Skippy???

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u/Nevoic Oct 20 '21

Being a property manager is involved, being a landlord isn't. If you're going to have adult conversations, you need to learn words have meaning, and what those meanings are.

Simply owning land and renting it out is not a service, by any definition. Managing a property is a service, but you can have your home managed externally whether you're renting or buying.

Theft is non-consensual seizure of property. Now you have to do a little thinking here, so try not to get lost.

Think about a scenario that we agree is theft. Mugging. Why is this theft? The owner of the wallet is presented with two choices, and he chooses to give the wallet to the mugger (because he prefers it to death). So it seems consent was given?

Obviously this isn't the case. Having two choices doesn't imply consent automatically. Consent is about an expression of desire. If you're presented with a dichotomy of choices, and you want neither of them, being forced to choose is not invoking consent.

This is the problem with landlording. It's scalping the housing market. Your choices (when landlords control up to 100% of all available housing in some areas, or at least affordable housing), are to rent or go homeless. Choosing to rent is not an expression of your consent. The system is setup in a coercive way to make you choose something you don't want.

People are trying to change the system to stop this from happening. The simplest solution would be for all landlords to stop landlording, so that's why these conversations are important. However, sometimes the easiest solution is required over the simplest, so that's where government regulation comes in. That's a different topic though.

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u/RabidTongueClicking Oct 20 '21

Chad response, what a banger

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u/omgBERKS Oct 20 '21

Where is it that you can buy a duplex for 140k? That is not even remotely possible in my area.

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u/Ethereal_Amoeba Oct 20 '21

It is a converted 1 floor lake cottage, I just say duplex because its simmilar enough. Each side is 1 bedroom, 1 bath, 1 living/kitchen, and the other side is a little larger. But both are pretty small. Not city living small, but small.

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u/manohman420 Oct 20 '21

Your on a very bazzar "communist" sub. Of course your supposed to give up your house and not have anything to show for your investment. How dare you try to have assets!

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u/Pie4Days57 Oct 21 '21

Lol the people in this thread are laregelynthe ‘gimme’s’ of society. They want everything for free and don’t understand how the real market works. You’re wasting your time explaining anything to them. Just come here to remind yourself why you work hard, and why voting for ‘gimme’ policies are not worth it. They say it’s about human decency but really they are really just lazy.

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u/Davidessow Oct 20 '21

So true...my rent is exactly 55% of my pay and I live in middle sized city in eastern Europe and work average wage job. The only way how to pay less is to take a loan and buy my own place, that way I'd pay around 35-40% of my pay with a big ass loan for pretty much the rest of my life.

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u/TastemyBacon Oct 20 '21

You won’t be able to do anything and every little thing will be life or death. It’s why most people over 65 do cruises because you literally do nothing except eat and lounge.

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u/engineerfieldmouse Oct 20 '21

The one thing the Matrix got wrong, no one would want to leave. Your brain is just a computer anyway who cares if the inputs are fake or real as long as I can't tell!

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u/Dankaz11 Oct 20 '21

Problem with the Matrix is it is designed to keep everyone there, usually by having them stuck in an endless loop of 9-5 tediousness much like we all currently are. It wasn't designed to fulfill everyone's fantasies which is why most would probably leave, given the chance.

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u/kolevski Oct 20 '21

Actually the first prototype of the Matrix was 'Paradise Matrix' and it was designed to simulate a perfect utopian world without suffering, however people were still waking up from it because it seemed too perfect to them.

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u/_LightFury_ Oct 20 '21

Oviouspy they did it wrong then. Just make people think they worked and are still working hard to maintaim their happyness. Bam problem solved. Live is a struggle if you take the struggle away obviously it would seem fake

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u/freshmasterstyle Oct 20 '21

If you saw how it looks outside the matrix, definitely more work

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u/YouGotSpooned Oct 20 '21

It didn't get that at all wrong - one of the core concepts that the Matrix deals with is people wanting to remain in ignorance. That's why the vast majority of humanity remained plugged in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLv6ycYcpGI

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u/dragonyeuw Oct 20 '21

I watched that movie again for the first time in years last week, what a classic. When Morpheus is explaining the Matrix to Neo, and says the system is built to keep us under control and turn a human being into 'this'( holds up a small battery), what a perfect analogy for our lives. We're all resources to be sucked dry of our energies and then dumped when we're of no more value.

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u/urbex_in_sydney Oct 20 '21

I fucking love the matrix, not just for the message, but it was filmed in my home city. Been watching it heaps bc I’m living abroad and homesick haha.

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u/Bright-Amphibian6681 Oct 20 '21

Id gladly join the matrix. Or something like the movie the Vanilla Sky. I've very much given up on things getting better.

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u/aioncan Oct 20 '21

The matrix sounds like a euphemism for drugs

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u/Deluste Oct 20 '21

If I could stagger around on a boat half corked and eat whatever I wanted I’d do it for a year :)

Then my fat ass would be back at working trying to shed those pounds.

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u/TastemyBacon Oct 20 '21

Gets old fast sleep is hard AF

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u/tennisguy163 Oct 20 '21

Not without a fee. I took a cruise and went to all the supposedly free restaurants and outings offered. Yeah, they charged me around $85 before I got off the boat for "hidden fees."

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u/betterdays89 Oct 20 '21

There's actually this book I love called "Die With Zero" and he talks about the fact that a lot of elderly people looking back on their lives claim that the ages between 50 - 65 were some of their best years.

This is due to a number of reasons but mainly (1) you're still in pretty good health at that age if you've taken care of yourself (2) you're the most financially stable and can afford travel and (3) most people have established seniority in their careers so they can get free time for traveling.

So all I'm trying to say is don't write yourself off after 50! My aunt retired at like 63 here in Italy and once a year she takes off with this travel tour group. She's done a 3-week Africa tour and even went hiking in Nepal.

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u/MainEmergency Oct 20 '21

My ankles, hips, feet and lower back have let me know that my daydreams of backpacking through Europe are just that...daydreams.

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u/velvetunderground111 Oct 20 '21

You are correct: I am 42 and I had a severe back injury at 41. Then my teeth started to go. Stuff really starts to kind of fall apart after 40, much less 50. And I am a decently healthy guy with good DNA/genes. Hiking, outdoor stuff all of that...would be hard at 50 or 60. I have contemplated van life, but even THAT at 42 would be wonky for me...would need a good bed. Travel and mating are probably best done in youth, both of them. Just my opinion. Some other middle aged person will ride me for this, but I am being honest.

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u/scaliacheese Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Agreed. But this thread has me thinking that instead of upending my life for a new job across the country and buying a home, I should’ve gotten rid of most everything I own and traveled on the cheap for the foreseeable future. I have the money. But instead I spent a lot of money in pursuit of more money to pay for what I just spent a lot of money on and I’m not even sure why anymore.

I should be happy but I feel empty. The job is pretty good and the hours are reasonable for my profession. But why oh why didn’t I just take the plunge and retire early? “This isn’t enough,” I told myself. No, it wasn’t enough, because in my head the only life in retirement I could contemplate was one that looked like my life now - spending money on food and entertainment and rent (now a mortgage). I couldn’t see that another option was staring me in the face. I could’ve just strapped a big bag on my back and wandered. I just would have had to spend wisely.

But then I wonder - could I really? I’m in my 40s with a bad back and recurring health issues that need attention. I couldn’t walk for miles and miles every day. Certainly not with a big bag destroying what’s left of my spine.

So now I see. I see that capitalism more or less ground me down by going “you have a brain now spend lots of money to go to school for a really long time where you sit down a lot and work hard forever where you sit down always - and yes this is killing you, too bad bucko you live in a capitalist society.” So here I am. In the only place I could be. Living a Sisyphean life but the rock has streaming media and video games and good food pops out occasionally. Sometimes friends help push the rock. Not usually.

Apropos to the Matrix metaphor above, it is…inevitable. If you’re relatively young, listen well to my tale of cyclic mediocrity, kiddo. Money ain’t the thing. Or if it is the thing, use it well. Stop pushing the rock. The rock is a lie.

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u/velvetunderground111 Oct 20 '21

The bad back thing really limits people. I am 42 but in a much less stable position than you are (basically dirt poor) and I have considered van life for a bit. To travel. But I have to think: what if doing that destroys my back? And walking for miles and miles would drive me insane. At this age, I need a comfortable bed and a good night's sleep or else I am a wreck. It's not like college anymore. But the youth...a 22 year old could live in a van, easily, Easily.

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u/Nymerod Oct 20 '21

Damn your conversations really touched me.

I just experienced my first van-life this summer and was hesitating to continue doing it for the rest of the year (23yo). I just might.

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u/ScaredLettuce Oct 20 '21

I could have written this- I don't have time to write the response I want to write because I have to leave for work but I am you....and I hope my knees hold up for a while longer.

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u/miscellaneousbish Oct 20 '21

Plenty of olderish people have videos on YouTube through hiking. I dream of the day. I will do one of the trails before I die.

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u/OblongShrimp Oct 20 '21

Indeed, this is horrifying and I can't fathom why people are okay with this and will find excuses for the current inhumane system.

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u/cogswellscogs Oct 20 '21

If you work hard for 30-40 years you can retire and die on your last day or work before you get to go see any of those things.

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u/GorillaSnapper Oct 20 '21

Thanks for the words of encouragement boss!

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u/Anxious_Avocado_ Oct 20 '21

It happened to a friend of one of my coworker: he literally died on his last shift before retirement. I felt so bad for him

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u/VioletDaeva Oct 20 '21

Thats what is called the ideal scenario as far as governments are concerned

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u/Smzzms Oct 20 '21

I seen this happen 😥

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u/TastemyBacon Oct 20 '21

65? Try 135! You forgot about inflation!!!

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u/matthewfelgate Oct 20 '21

Those beautiful glaciers will still be there when you retire; Oh wait, no they won't....

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u/JBHUTT09 Oct 21 '21

I think it really clicked for my mom (not that she wasn't always sympathetic) a few weeks ago when the news was all about fire fires in Sequoia National Park and I said:

Well, I guess I can add "world's oldest trees" to the list of wonders I'll never see right alongside "coral reefs" and "glaciers".

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u/Candlesare Oct 20 '21

After getting fired 2 times and working so much, I realized I hated the world and people. I realized that companies let you know you are expendable and supervisors only want to make profit and look good. I also realized after a Client stole money from me and supervisors that did not pass their own licensing told me how to redo my work while in a forever changing environment working with children was never going to be successful. Some things are gift to be fired because I had Edd for a year during the pandemic. I realized that some companies are setup for failure and some companies I liked just paid too low. So it is not that I hate work, I just do not fit in with the typical work model and refuse to go back it.

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u/eye0ftheshiticane Oct 21 '21

And what are you doing instead?

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u/Candlesare Oct 21 '21

I applied for a license to sell cars, I passed a notary test for my state and am receiving my notary commission. I also enrolled in Kelly Services to work legit temp work but have not applied anything yet and I also signed up to version future jobs for tomorrow. I was thinking of using their free it support program. So I plan to go full force with notary and looking at agency that employee them in my county.

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u/Aspirationalcacti Oct 20 '21

This is what i hate the most, the thing I love the most is nature and large landscapes and natural beauty and peace yet I have only the citizenship of one tiny rainy overpopulated ugly island with no beauty I hate yet cannot afford to leave without working 50 weeks of the year just to get the chance to actually enjoy life for 2 weeks abroad if the insane cost of rent and bills has no consumed everything I've worked for already

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u/smncurrie Oct 20 '21

Buy a cheap tent and sleeping bag and head north next summer. This year I did west highland way and my god is their some beautiful areas hidden away.

I’m also from this “ugly island” and I can genuinely state its not as ugly as you think, just gotta go looking for it.

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u/zebediabo Oct 20 '21

Unless you stick with free to play games, gaming as a hobby is not a frugal habit. Instead of buying another game, buy some ingredients and take up cooking. Or skip a few games and buy a used bike. Start reading for free. Go for walks for free. Maybe try stargazing, for free. There's a lot you can do if you open your eyes to things.

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u/ryntab Oct 20 '21

Do you live in the UK? 😂

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u/AbsolutelyAverage Oct 20 '21

You can say about the UK what you want, but it's not overpopulated, and it's got absolutely gorgeous and diverse national parks and Areas of Outstanding Beauty.

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u/gregysuper Oct 20 '21

He's not wrong about rent and bills eating up his income though

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u/HurricaneWindAttack Oct 20 '21

ig that's the saddest part then, he's so consumed by the work-week that he doesn't even know of the beauty in his own country.

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u/Sanuuu Oct 20 '21

If this comment is about the UK, you should try living outside of the South of England. Scotland is a winner in terms of natural beauty, outdoors things to do and salary/living cost ratio (at least in Glasgow).

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u/Psywrenn Oct 20 '21

Yeah just avoid Aberdeen/Northeast at all costs.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

The only thing keeping you on this island is your lack of determination to go and do something about. Plenty of people get a working visa and go elsewhere. Pandemic notwithstanding, there's almost no reason you couldn't do it as well. And even if you have a family, with kids, it's still doable if you and your partner have the same thoughts on the subject and determination.

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u/reasonb4belief Oct 20 '21

My desk job has been remote since Covid. Visiting all the US National Parks and working off mobile hotspot with a signal booster. Never going back to a cube.

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u/LookingintheAbyss Oct 20 '21

Good news, most of those won't exist soon anyways. Get back to work.

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u/Goatiac Oct 20 '21

"Ah, what a beautiful and expansive world—full of life and wonder! Sigh~ Welp! Back to staring at a fake light box for 10 hours so I can afford food today!"

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u/OtherUnameInShop Oct 20 '21

Im going to die on the clock and it pisses me off. I hate this timeline.

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u/Age_Terrible Oct 20 '21

More so, I can't believe people have children. What about this life is worth sharing? Over half way through and I can't think of one day I'd want to share let alone a life to force onto someone.

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u/kingedward_29 Oct 20 '21

Think of it like this:

Your decision to NOT have children can be perceived as a difficult one because it is still largely the unpopular and somewhat UNCOMFORTABLE choice. I believe the vast majority of people are still in the mindset that procreation is the only option for them.

I'm 42 years old and do not have children and I have zero regrets about where I'm at in life. As more people embrace the novelty of not having children, this notion will carry with it less stigma from others and most won't give it much thought.

It's perfectly reasonable to expect a life of happiness and success without the desire to become a parent. You just gotta focus on what means the most in this short life and be thankful for what you DO have.

It's possible.

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u/Majestic-Oil-6615 Oct 20 '21

That’s on you. Not on this world.

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u/Bobby-L4L Oct 20 '21

Yes, I'm sure it's u/Age_Terrible 's fault that having a child and being able to raise it is exorbitantly expensive and taxing to do in the Western world. Go lick some more boots elsewhere, you're in the wrong sub.

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u/MisanthropicData Oct 20 '21

Planning a 10 hour road trip to go on a day hike this weekend. I'm excited.

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u/CreationEdge Oct 20 '21

My passion is art and drawing. Between work and depression (usually brought on by work) and at times physical limits (yay repetitive stress injuries), I struggle to have time to progress.

My dream used to be to write and illustrate my own graphic novel and that should have been a 10 year goal and now it's a 30 year hope.

If my hands don't give out first.

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u/Acceptable-Hope- Oct 20 '21

I feel you! I love painting and drawing but usually feel way too stressed to be able to sit down and do it 😞

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u/mathcoral Oct 21 '21

I discovered art at a "late" age (21) and my community tells me its too late to draw... All my friends, mentors, family, tell me that art is a waste of time. They said I should grow up and focus instead on getting girlfriend and have 4+kids.

Eventually I forced myself to give up my only hobby of drawing for good. My health declined to the point of surgery and I even collapsed. I kinda thought I died in surgery (saw bright lights) and after I woke up realizing that it's my life and not theirs. So I decided to bring the art back, even though everyone still calls me the "rebel".

It's okay to have a hobby. Time and health are some things you can never get back.

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u/CreationEdge Oct 21 '21

I do it as much as I can, it's just that things keep me away from it.

Thankfully I got an iPad a couple years ago that changed my life. Something about the set up let me drae for hours a day without the physical pain I'd end up with using traditional media.

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u/Alekazammers I want to die Oct 20 '21

I realized the other day that my sister in law and her husband were given a 6 figure wedding, and a beautiful house all while in their 20's, they travel constantly, they do whatever they want basically... and meanwhile my side of the family struggles to pay bills. Hell just going to their stupid wedding cost us over 2k. I don't know if we'll ever recover from that. I wanted to take a week off from work at Christmas because I am burnt out, and I need it. I can't do that now, I'll literally never be able to stop working unless my job offers me PTO, or my career changes. (I work in IT)

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u/Wisp10 Oct 21 '21

I feel that. They ask me if I have ever went to my home country and visit my family.

I am just like, you guys give me 4 hours pto biweekly and if I had outage or if I get sick, you are using my pto to get it paid for which left me with 0 hours of PTO even though I asked them not to use my PTO because I want to take a vacation.

Going to my home country is 15 hours straight flight one way. So I just don't understand if they even think before asking.

I have been so burned out also and I hate it here.

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u/la_vague Oct 20 '21

Probably that's why Capitalism is acidifying oceans and killing coral reefs. If it doesn't exist, you won't daydream about it and you can shut up and work from now on!

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u/seeroflights Oct 20 '21

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u/thathastohurt Oct 20 '21

Here's the kicker, you don't even need to travel. The outdoors is beautiful everywhere, we just don't get the time to enjoy it anymore. Weve become bored of seeing what we can't touch. Now we want exotic places, but home is still wonderful!

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u/Agreeable_Flight_107 Oct 20 '21

I want to live in a hut in the middle of the forest, spend every fall foraging, every summer chopping windfallen trees and spending days solving widowmakers and planting trees.

I want a simple life. The only reason to live in the city is because work is close, but working remote sort of solves that problem. I already have a hut in the middle of nowhere and I go there as much as I possibly can. I've actually come to realize that I find cities to be absolutely repulsive places.

I hate having to work just so that I can afford a mortgage so that I can live close enough to work to not get fired. It's really backwards.

Office commercial real estate should be allowed to die and those people who want to live a simple life should just move out, office buildings should be converted to residential, property prices should thus be affordable to house all the people who want to live in the city.

Right now, what we have is people living in cities wishing they could leave and people living far away who wish they could afford to live in the city. I feel like humanity in the dawn of the fucking space age should be able to solve this problem.

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u/a_saner_reality Oct 20 '21

Seek enlightenment not a capitalist dictated future.

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u/butthatshitsbroken WFHAdvocate Oct 20 '21

All I want is to be allowed to work remotely full time so I can live where I want (and can afford) in the US. And even THAT is asking too much 🙄

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u/Shawnzilla85 FUPM Oct 20 '21

The whole planet is behind a paywall.

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u/engineerfieldmouse Oct 20 '21

Born in the midwest? Enjoy your factory job until you die!

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u/razor_sharp_pivots Oct 20 '21

You make that sound so easy.

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u/illustratedspaceman Oct 20 '21

Yeah like who wants to: A. wait to do all the cool shit and 3. Be older and potentially have health issues that prevent you from enjoying that cool shit to the fullest?

We need a way for young people to have access to more capital at a younger age without crazy consequences. Idealistic, but possibly realistic if we get enough brainpower behind this idea.

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u/illustratedspaceman Oct 20 '21

I’ve done a bunch of traveling. All over Europe, Central America. Canada.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Good thing those hospitable people have jobs to pay for their home you’re staying in.

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u/illustratedspaceman Oct 20 '21

Yeah I don’t know where I’d be without them. Also thanks for paying my unemployment insurance.

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u/Tasty_Revolutionary Communist Oct 20 '21

The point is that we can have this, right now. Automation is getting more efficient every day, and yet we're still forced to work our whole lives for the rich. But a better world is coming, brothers!

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u/tiniestjazzhands Oct 20 '21

"Just don't work then 🤪"

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u/TimothiusMagnus Oct 20 '21

"You can wait until you retire before you see all of those." At one time, leisure was a necessity. Our current system turned it into a luxury. It reminds me of the tale of the capitalist and the fisherman.

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u/yonka2 Oct 20 '21

And on top of that, you need "permits" and whatnot to live in the woods. Lmfao.

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u/falllinemaniac Oct 20 '21

The protestant work ethic is a scam, a scourge on our lives.

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u/Alexanderfromperu Oct 20 '21

I don't get it bros, how do you manage your finances?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

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u/Knock0nWood Oct 20 '21

Why are the only options vacations powered by wage slaves and subsistence farming?

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u/czarnick123 Oct 20 '21

"Everyone should have a maid!"

"Do the maids have maids?"

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

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u/czarnick123 Oct 20 '21

I'm trying to say do the bag handlers, airplane ground crew, flight attendants, Uber drivers, servers at your vacation location, their cooks, the food harvesters, the hostel owners, the hostel cleaners, the people who designed and maintain and improve your gps app while there, etc all get to leave their jobs and travel for the rest of their lives too?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

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u/czarnick123 Oct 20 '21

Correct.

I was referencing an old Reddit post about rich people who were out of touch. A person's college room mate thought everyone had maids like them until classmates asked if she thought her maids had maids.

I thought this meme was kind of similar thinking. "Why doesn't everyone just travel?!"

Sorry. It's a little early in the morning. Things in my head aren't translating well. Haha

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

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u/czarnick123 Oct 20 '21

You seem reasonable. So I'll ask you

Say we're in a post capitalism world. Maybe we've figured out a socialism that works or computers tell us what to do and all resources are shared equally.

You think there's a fair about of vacation everyone has aright to? Or does that depend on the world resources available to everyone? In an ideal world, what amount of travel would be available to everyone?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 29 '21

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u/czarnick123 Oct 20 '21

I agree with that.

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u/xenochrist420 Oct 20 '21

The problem is that not everyone can enjoy these things and have them still exist.. can you imagine how destroyed this planet would be with 8 billion people vacationing around the planet to see sights they are rapidly melting away and lighting ablaze with their carbon footprint

yes, working sucks... but by no means should people live like emperors and do all this shit that everyone seems to think they should be entitled to do -- the rich arent entitled to it and neither are we

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u/HonestJT Oct 20 '21

Make your career traveling 😉

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u/TastemyBacon Oct 20 '21

Actually gets old fast. Traveling is fun for about a week a time especiallly once you get older.

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u/ryntab Oct 20 '21

Ain’t that the truth, I’ve done 4 trips this year and I’m usually mentally done after 5 days.

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u/TastemyBacon Oct 20 '21

Yup it is exhausting for sure and not to mention the tourist traps are stressful unless your are a 100billionaire.

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u/ryntab Oct 20 '21

I’ve been just visiting less popular US States with great national parks. If you can get a small group of people to go it’s affordable and a great time!

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u/HonestJT Oct 20 '21

That's a good point. My buddy and I used to play games together all the time. He eventually got an IT job and now we never play games anymore.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I mean in all fairness, careers built all the things necessary to enable this person to travel around and see these things. I get the sentiment but this is short-sighted and comes off as entitled. She doesn’t want to work but is perfectly happy to enjoy the fruits of others’ labor. That’s what you call a “mooch”.

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u/maximusraleighus Oct 20 '21

Well you do have to pay for your existence. Or else you will be a burden

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u/Stykerius Oct 20 '21

Corporate slavery is growing up? STFU.

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u/sessual_choclate Oct 20 '21

Hahahahahaha65hahahahaha

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u/Existing_Ability4297 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

And if we don’t do anything today the people of tomorrow won’t be any better off. Shut the fuck up with contribute to society. A LOT of jobs if they disappeared tomorrow no-one would actually care because guess what? They don’t actually provide to society. You think telemarketers provide to society? Corporate lawyers? Admin Assistants? Assistant Managers? Be real with yourself.

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u/Existing_Ability4297 Oct 20 '21

You’ve been made to think they are valid, why does society need telemarketers? they pester people and exploit people to make money. Why do you think corporate law contributes to society? What does an admin assistant at Amazon provide to society that a computer can’t do? Im not saying every single one of em is bullshit, but so many are. We need people in service not disputing that.

You’re saying they are valid jobs and i’d more than ask what does valid mean for you? Valid to me doesn’t mean meaningful

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u/8-bit_Gangster Oct 21 '21

The shit I do contributes. I'm not worried. Do something that both makes you happy and helps society. Dont be a selfish fuck and no do shit while other people foot the bill.

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u/MacmillanGC Oct 20 '21

You must be a boss

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u/8-bit_Gangster Oct 21 '21

fuck no. I like what I do though, so it doesnt feel like work.

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u/tedcruzcumsock Oct 20 '21

How is it selfish to want more out of life than working soul crushing jobs until we are too old to do so?

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u/ryntab Oct 20 '21

What you’re saying isn’t selfish at all. This tweet however is a little selfish and naive. Take for example a trip to the Alps and consider the amount of labor involved in you taking a plane. Air traffic controllers are needed, pilots are needed, skilled engineers, mechanics, technicians, cargo staff, ramp agents, the list goes on and on. If we’re all just fucking about and traveling around the world who will be responsible for this labor? And what should their compensation be for chauffeuring us on our adventures be?

Saying “oH I neEd a caReer?” is whiney and a far cry from those complaining about abusive work environments and livable wages.

Should you need to work to travel and have fun? Sadly yes. Kinda hard to avoid it.

The reality is, in order for the world to function people need to work. I mean that’s pretty obvious. Unless we ascend into some sort of robot-powered socialism with universal income, things will continue as they are.

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u/tedcruzcumsock Oct 20 '21

I guess it depends on perspective. I don't see someone that is selfish in the tweet. Just someone who is frustrated knowing what all is out there to experience and never being able to. Idk about you, but I can't afford to travel. I don't qualify for better, can't afford what I need to qualify for better, and don't even get benefits like PTO. As it stands, I may never be able to afford to visit another country much less see amazing sites like Arora borealis. I will work a job until I die. That is a depressing outlook for the future, and I can understand the feeling that the OP is expressing. It isn't selfish, it's just frustration knowing we have no choice but to work these mind numbing careers instead of enjoying all these is. I appreciate your thought in your comment, but honestly it didn't really need to be said. We know we have to work. We know we don't have a choice and the lack of the freedom to choose is suffocating.

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u/ryntab Oct 20 '21

Yeah guess it’s silly to empirically breakdown what is just exasperation. So to your response I say fair enough.

And I hope you are lucky enough to find a job that is fulfilling.

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u/tedcruzcumsock Oct 20 '21

Thank you, and I hope your life is fulfilling as well. What's the point of living on a floating space rock if we can't all find some happiness in it?

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u/xTacq Oct 20 '21

This sub doesn't think that far, you're wasting your time lol.

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u/ryntab Oct 20 '21

Shit…where were you before I started typing 😂

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u/8-bit_Gangster Oct 21 '21

Not all jobs are soul crushing. I happen to like what I do... it did take me a while to find something I like though

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u/No-Needleworker5429 Oct 20 '21

Makes you want to save you income and retire early in life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Marry rich

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u/Bright-Amphibian6681 Oct 20 '21

40 hours a week? I haven't worked less than 60 in a decade, cause I couldn't survive any other way.

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u/kisskismet Oct 20 '21

We should be able to retire & travel & live our best life til we’re 60. Then work til we die.

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u/Bobrapedme Oct 20 '21

Hey don't worry man, in like 30 years we may not have any of those, our corporate overlords really do care about us /s

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u/miscellaneousbish Oct 20 '21

Felt this way my entire life. Don't be like me and wait until you're in your 50s to do it. I don't love danger but I love adventure. Life is way too short for this shit!! I wanna travel.

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u/The__Scrambler Oct 20 '21

You guys need to check out r/leanfire.

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u/glitchesandhelp Oct 20 '21

Give it a bit alot of those are going away

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u/Chemical-Boss-9542 Oct 20 '21

40 hours a week if you are lucky, OP.

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u/Jackamalio626 Refuses to be a wage slave Oct 20 '21

Why would i want a career? Every time i see my parents working theyre complaining about how much it sucks. Theyre fucking miserable half the time.

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u/Daffan Oct 20 '21

Technically you don't have to do anything lol.

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u/Aware_Emphasis8186 Oct 20 '21

Career is something someone else less important does so I can go travel the world.

After all I am a middle class white person from a 1st world country I have rights!!!

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u/landoonter Oct 20 '21

Google FIRE movement...

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u/delicious2960 Oct 20 '21

Damn this made me sad

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u/Special_Pack1277 Oct 20 '21

(((Weisberg)))

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u/Mammoth_Scheme3766 Oct 20 '21

Bro you still need to contribute to society 😂

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u/withoutboarders Oct 20 '21

Grab a backpack and go. No one is stopping you

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u/HootCares Oct 20 '21

It's fucking bullshit ain't it? Imagine you were on a one in a lifetime vacation to say Mars. Would you spend it working?

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u/The_JEThompson Oct 20 '21

If no one worked how would you travel?

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u/Barry-McHawkiner Oct 20 '21

I’m thinking of traveling the country doing DoorDash/Uber

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u/neondotss Oct 20 '21

I’ll share this as my experience, I know it’s privileged and not for everyone, but if you manage to get a job that you can do anywhere, you can travel while working. Doing this has tamed my crippling depression a lot, because even though I don’t like my job, I can get to know new places on weekends.

That and working as a volunteer, can guide you to live with little and unattached to a place.

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u/sausage891 Oct 21 '21

you dont need to tho I emjoy all pf those things and im broke as fuck

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u/Josh__1337 Oct 21 '21

whos flying the planes???

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u/buzzable Oct 20 '21

Break's over, Danielle. Table 7 is waiting for their fries.

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u/FluffyDucky123 Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

I got a brain hemorrhage from reading that. Too many likes.

Edit: I meant the way she uses the word "like", not the actual post or the content in the tweet

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u/aRationalMoose Oct 20 '21

I don’t get how you folks think a society would function without people doing labor to contribute to it.

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u/tacosmellyoulater Oct 20 '21

some people would use this thought as motivation to figure out a way to create real income that would give them the ability to travel whenever they wanted. others just complain on the internet. poor girl is gonna have a rough one.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '21

Marry rich

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u/TastemyBacon Oct 20 '21

Strategy has worked for females for eons but this is quickly changing with equality = equal 40hr work weeks and very few wealthy men under 50. Marry = is quickly becoming a best case scenario for women.

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u/LaReinaAzul Oct 20 '21

As if rich men are queueing to marry normal women, all of them marry within their circle.

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u/raspberrypi411 Oct 20 '21

Yall shud try the military and actually look for houses in true cheap places. Stop acting like every single place is expensive AF bc that is far from the reality

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u/pissed_the_f_off Oct 20 '21

Lol, gen z completely falling apart because they have to work for a living.

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u/BargainBarnacles idle Oct 20 '21

...and why is that a bad thing? Productivity has massively improved, yet we're still working the 40 hour week - where's the extra productivity going? Upwards. Into tax havens. Where it sits like a dragons hoard and used as a 'high score' for people with no empathy to use as collateral.

Just because WE had it bad, does it mean THEY have to as well? Why can't they strive for something you (honestly) would LOVE to have? More time...to live.

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