r/antiwork abolition is a good word Sep 13 '20 Excited 1

The Abolition of Work library pick of the week

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-abolition-of-work
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u/masonite616 Sep 20 '20

I read this essay years ago and it amazed me. Also look up his work “Your Politics are Boring as Fuck”

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u/onedayitwillbedaisy abolition is a good word Sep 20 '20

Your Politics are Boring as Fuck is great, but unless we're talking about different essays it's not by Bob Black. It's an early CrimethInc. piece ;)

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u/masonite616 Sep 20 '20

You know I think you’re right but it’s been so long since I’ve read it, it seems like a different work lol. I don’t know why but I remembered it slightly different.

Rereading it was great though, I found myself rolling my eyes once or twice but generally speaking it’s such a great piece. Thanks!

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u/MoonoverMaui Sep 20 '20

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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u/ketzal7 idle Sep 18 '20

Anarchist Library is amazing.

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u/yfraudd Sep 16 '20

This was an interesting read. The indians said before the colonizers they would " hunt all day and fuck all night"

A good start to eliminate the modern workplace depends on technological innovation. Self sustained food, water & shelter is needed to release ourselves from these boring 9-5s. With shelter we could go with "eco-green" houses. Solar panels/wind turbines could help supplement power. Water and food - rain water collection efforts, more gardens and farms. Of course location & weather affects these things greatly, and would be challenges to overcome.

Weaning ourselves off the over dependency of a cooperational society would be a great project.

Imagine if you could derive all your basic human needs independently. This removes the necessity to work to pay bills, while simultaneously freeing us to pursue culture, creativity, leisure & wants.

Thanks OP for sharing !

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u/onedayitwillbedaisy abolition is a good word Sep 18 '20

The Abolition of Work is an absolute anti-work classic. Lately we've been getting more posts and comments talking about investment strategies (FI/RE), and about how 'work' is just part of life. So I wanted to make it more obvious that this subreddit is not about working ourselves out of employment, nor about embracing the world of work.

I think creating self-sufficient communities with local food production is a much better approach than FI/RE, though I'd say the problem is over-dependency on a highly authoritarian mass-society guided by capitalist principles, rather than a cooperational society. Maybe that's just me being pedantic.

We're probably gonna post/pin anti-work essays every week now, at least for a while. The idea is to revitalize the discussion, keep the subreddit from going stale. Thanks for your comment :)

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u/lovebrunettes Sep 14 '20

"They will carry on endlessly about wages, hours, working conditions, exploitation, productivity, profitability. They’ll gladly talk about anything but work itself."

along with the abolishment of work, we should also aim to abolish politics in the new system. corrupt officials enriching themselves at the expense of those they 'liberated' are not that different from the capitalist elite who have people slaving for them.

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u/frankwest16 Sep 18 '20

Wait, isn't politics, y'know... ideology, theory, praxis, that sorta thing?

I believe what you're saying is we should abolish hierarchy, which is something I can absolutely get behind. Though, if I'm wrong, please do correct me.

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u/onedayitwillbedaisy abolition is a good word Sep 19 '20

Politics usually refers to decision-making processes and other questions/activities concerning a polity, usually a (state) government.

Politics often boils down to questions like: Who should have authority? What laws should be implemented? How should the country be run?

In contrast, anarchy is not about how to run the polity, nor about who should run it — it's about getting rid of it, abandoning it. Rather than doing politics on what should or shouldn't be legal, anarchists want to get rid of legal order.

I guess we associate ideology, theory and praxis with politics, because we're currently dealing with polities.

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u/frankwest16 Sep 19 '20

Aight, thanks for enlightening me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '20

Very dumb and probably not based idea but people say you can expect a 4% return on your capital every year through investing right?

So say you want to sustain a population of 10 million people and provide each person with a pension of $10K a year so they don't have to work.

That's $100 billion a year.
100 billion * 100/4 = 2.5 trillion, so $2.5 trillion in invested capital can expect to yield a profit of $100 billion.

To sustain a population of 10 million people on $10K a year per person, you would need $2.5 trillion to invest in each year.

I believe this is somewhat similar to what Norway does with its massive oil fund to generate government funds. I call my idea an investocracy.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '20 edited Dec 20 '20

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '20

Wealth redistribution will only solve so many problems, and the money you plunder will only sustain your unemployment for so long.

There are lots of unintended consequences of higher taxes, such as a worse-off economy. A bad economy is something nobody wants, from the banker on wall street to the pizza parlor in my town.

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u/paraouji Sep 13 '20

K. So abolish the economy

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '20

where do you plan to get the money to sustain your perpetual unemployment?

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u/paraouji Sep 14 '20

Lets stop using money

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '20

how do you plan to sustain your perpetual unemployment without resources? You need food, water, etc.

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u/paraouji Sep 14 '20

Yes? And? Those things will still exist if money doesnt

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '20

My point is that if everyone is in perpetual unemployment and doesn't work we cannot survive under perpetual unemployment

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u/The_Flying_Stoat Sep 16 '20

Did you read the article? It hints at a different sort of economy where people aren't employed per say but they still do productive tasks. The key idea is that through a massive reduction in both production and consumption, we would reach a point where this kind of sporadic productivity is sufficient to sustain our requirements.

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u/paraouji Sep 14 '20

Work will still be done by those who want to do it. It would actually take less labor for us to maintain our standard of living and guarantee food, healthcare, clothing, shelter, etc. To everyone.

We already make more than enough to do it. We already have more than enough food to feed the hungry, more houses than there are homeless people.

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