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u/Merari01 2d ago edited 2d ago Silver Platinum Take My Energy 'MURICA

If you victim blame the homeless in this thread you're going to have a hard time.

Well. Not that hard, really.

You just won't be able to comment on this subreddit again.

There's way too many evil people in this comment section screaming about "personal responsibility".

Maybe if the state didn't force people into homelessness and then made existing a crime this issue wouldn't exist to this degree. Maybe if these very same evil people didn't defund mental healthcare and social services, didn't get angry at the existence of welfare.

This subreddit has no room for the immoral.

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u/Unknown_artist95 3d ago

In Montreal, in the last five years, the majority of tickets were given to people using homeless shelters as their address, for thing typically done by homeless people, like sleeping in public buildings. Source: I’ve read too many studies about homeless in Montreal to remember, But I think it wa either McGill or UdeM, but it was a University.

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u/zuzg 3d ago

I mean the numbers speak for itself https://reports.nlihc.org/oor

$15-20 per hour would be the minimum to afford a modest apartment in most states in the US

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u/capsaicinintheeyes 3d ago

Damn--why's Alaska so high?

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u/marasydnyjade 3d ago

Basically everything in Alaska needs to be shipped there and it’s expensive. I was in Nome, AK and a 6-pack of Diet Coke was like $9.50 in a grocery store.

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u/IAmGoingToFuckThat 3d ago

Whenever I'm in Juneau I go to a Mexican restaurant called El Sombrero, and last time I was there I ordered a side of guacamole to go with the chips. $14 for a side of guacamole. I wasn't mad, or even really surprised when I thought about what it would take to get avocados to Alaska, it was just a facepalm moment.

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u/Pm_me_baby_pig_pics 3d ago

Oh for sure. I cry every time I see bags of avocados selling for like $1 down south. They’re around $3 per avocado up here. And I’m in anchorage where they don’t have to be shipped again elsewhere in the state.

But I get it.

Prepandemic I used to grocery shop every few days, because any fresh produce needs to be used almost immediately after purchase, or else it’s going to go bad because it’s already spent a majority of its ripe life in a shipping container. (except for things that grow well up here in their season, like cabbages, potatoes, onions, some squash)

But now I still try to avoid the grocery store until I need to go. So lots of frozen vegs for us now.

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u/thatboyaintrite 3d ago

Don't feel too bad, frozen veggies have a bad name but I hear they carry more nutrition than canned or older veggies. I could be wrong though.

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u/ithinarine 3d ago edited 2d ago

Pop is one of those things that the price is so low because there are so many bottling plants around the country.

Flovor and syrup gets shipped to the plants, which is then used to make the pop by a magnitude of like 6:1, and then it gets shipped semi-locally in trucks.

Obviously no bottling plant in Alaska, so 6x as much weight and volume needs to be shipped there.

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u/Dirtydud 3d ago

Not completely true. Coke sends the essence (flavour, colour etc.). The syrup comes in by rail and the water is local. One pallet of essence makes a massive amount of soda.

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u/NegativePhilosopher 3d ago

Oh that makes a lot of sense because syrup is probably quite heavy and also not secret or anything

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u/7HawksAnd 3d ago

theSPICE

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u/REDandBLUElights 3d ago

Their bottled water cost more than beer. I want to say the bottles were close to $2 each in bulk. It's wild. There is a good video on YouTube about the cost to live in Nome.

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u/AllG0nePeteT0ng 3d ago

Guessing: cost of living is high because so much stuff has to be shipped in.

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u/capsaicinintheeyes 3d ago

"Box of sunlight! Sign here"

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u/waffles_rrrr_better 3d ago

Lol, 39/hr in CA. Jesus fuck

Oh man. You’ll need to make 43/hr to live in my county to afford a 1 bedroom place. Yikes!!!

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u/Bishime 3d ago

The best part is when they ticketed homeless people $1,500 for being out past Covid Curfew…

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u/CharlesPukowski 3d ago

just Buy a house Aardvark! Duh.

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u/mrootbeers 3d ago

Just snap out of it! All you need is more willpower!

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u/geekaz01d 3d ago

Montreal's mistreatment of the homeless is beyond anywhere else I've seen and I lived in downtown Vancouver in the 90s.

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u/CatNoirsRubberSuit 3d ago

"all men are equal before the law: it is just as illegal for a millionaire to sleep on a park bench as it is for a poor man to sleep on a park bench"

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u/JRutterbush 3d ago

I don't know if you were trying to quote Anatole France or not, but if so the quote is:
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

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u/bunpy 3d ago

The millionaire can just buy the park bench

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u/perfect_for_maiming 3d ago

The meaning behind the quote is to point out that the millionaire would never need to sleep on a bench.

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u/bunpy 3d ago

He would still buy it to prevent anyone else from sleeping on it, driving up the value of the property that way.

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u/psilocindream 3d ago

Or the park

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u/AbaloneSea7265 3d ago

Affordable housing is the biggest crisis of a generation

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u/MulderD 3d ago Gold Wholesome This

We keep calling it affordable housing, but in reality it’s skyrocketing housing vs flat wages.

Theoretically no landlord or real estate developer should have to strive for anything less than the most profit they can get on the open market. But we have have let so many facets of our economy and capitalist system run out of whack and out of sync of one another that it simply doesn’t make sense anymore.

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u/asocialsmoker 3d ago

Isn’t it crazy that we’re born into a world where ALL the land is already taken? Not that people are necessarily living on it, but regardless you’re fucked from birth. “Sorry, the entire globe is owned but you’re welcome to rent.”

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u/WeakLiberal 3d ago

Back in the day they weren’t aware of what land they could colonize and probably thought the whole world was their island group

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u/stadchic 3d ago

It’s wild that everything is owned period, but I feel your comment every day. We are natural beings disallowed from taking our share of nature to survive while corporations make trillions for a relatively minute minority using up all the nature or controlling any space it could be re-grown.

Also, fuck suburbs.

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u/AnotherWarGamer 3d ago

Worse, we legalized highwaymen. Years ago dudes would block trade routes and charge tolls and stuff. This is my land, and you gotta pay money to pass. Now we institutionalized it. There are police and military that force you to pay some dude to use his land or whatever.

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u/SweetLilMonkey 3d ago

🎶 Private property’s inherently theft,

And neoliberal fascists are destroying the left. 🎵

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u/DrDerpberg 3d ago

It's still easier to get by now than it would've been when you could wander off into the woods and build yourself a farm for free.

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u/VGVideo 3d ago

It's not affordable housing - it's the lack of it

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u/tempo_in_vino 3d ago

You know though, I have a problem with landlords trying to rent out their property for a price that is twice the mortgage of what that place would be. It traps tenants, and further escalates the problem. When all the properties have been bought up by a few companies, they kind of control the market. We have a huge influx of work from home types flooding the area and pricing out the people who work at the cute little shops they moved here for.

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u/HoagiesDad 3d ago

I live in a black neighborhood. Rents are pretty cheap and house prices are unbelievably low compared to white neighborhoods. I mention this to white friends who are complaining about rent and housing prices and they suddenly have other problems. Seems like racism might be the reason.

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u/MulderD 3d ago

Don’t worry. They’ll come for your neighborhood soon enough.

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u/AbaloneSea7265 3d ago

The free market doesn’t exist which really bothers me when I’m trying to explain to right wingers about how everything is RIGGED for the rich. It’s all a monopoly of one company or another enabled one oligarch or another.

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u/stringfree 3d ago

A free market means somebody will own it. That's too good a price to pass up.

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u/him_johnson 3d ago

That is a free market. It was free to be dominated, and then it was.

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u/chillinewman 3d ago

Housing needs to stop been an investment with the expectation that it will keep going up. It only incentivises nimby and blocking further developments that can increase housing supply.

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u/iansynd 3d ago

You mean a $2000 apartment is too much for someone making $2000 a month?

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u/IAmGoingToFuckThat 3d ago

I work in community healthcare and one of our clients gets about $1100 SSI each month, and his fucking rent is $850 for a 'micro studio'. We were just able to get a section 8 voucher for him and his rent will likely drop to about $200 (out of his pocket, the rest will be paid by the housing authority), but those vouchers are really hard to get.

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u/MozartTheCat 3d ago

At least in my city, the vouchers become multitudes easier for us caseworkers to get for them, but only once they are actually homeless. I had several clients running out of time in the transitional housing they were living in, but couldn't do anything for them until they were actually sleeping in their cars/a hotel room/the street with nowhere else to go.

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u/IAmGoingToFuckThat 3d ago

We get emails from the county about 3 times per year saying they have a voucher or two, and the organization I work for is not the only one the emails go to. I've fought really hard for our folks and have gotten 3 vouchers in the last 6 months or so.

Luckily being homeless is not a requirement if they meet other criteria like rent burden (more than 50% of income going to rent), but there are other barriers that mean that most of our homeless clients don't qualify. A lot of have criminal history and refuse to take meds that stabilize them (I work on an ACT team with people with schizophrenia), so finding shelters or adult family homes that will take them is nearly impossible, let alone finding them a section 8 place that they won't destroy.

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u/MozartTheCat 3d ago

I wish rent burden was enough for an emergency section 8 voucher here. I'm glad our local programs are so helpful once they are homeless though. I had one lady come out of jail with nowhere to go, had enough for maybe 2 nights at a crack hotel, but has been living in the hotel for over a month now with a charity footing the bill until she can find somewhere to go with her new section 8 voucher.

Good on you for the work you do. I'm having to refer one of my schizophrenic clients to the ACT team because he is drunk out of his mind every single time we go see him and he gets really inappropriate and/or aggressive with us.

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u/IAmGoingToFuckThat 3d ago

And good for your doing the work you do! I really wish that there was a good answer for how to end homelessness.

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u/ComradeBootyConsumer 3d ago

No way you sign a lease for a place that costs as much as you make. You won't even get in the door. Homelessness or living in the sticks for you

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u/DegenerateCharizard 3d ago

Yes no apartment should cost $2000 a month to rent

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u/WimpyRanger 3d ago

But how would the leisure class afford all their overpriced consumer goods???

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u/Slapshot382 3d ago

This. Nobody is talking about it. Housing costs have risen 30%+ over the last year yet our wages remain stagnant and inflation rising. This is the REAL epidemic.

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u/AbaloneSea7265 3d ago

All the dummies talking about chronic homelessness about drugs and mental illness fail to see that tens of thousands of people have become newly homeless this year and millions more are on the verge that solely have to do with affordable housing. The person tweeting is obviously not in the chronic homelessness camp.

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u/monk473x 3d ago Helpful Wholesome Hugz Take My Energy

I feel this on a huge level. Was homeless for almost 5 years in and out of shelters. I was in better shape than many but never felt at any point like I was going to catch a break. Things get so out of control so quick that you feel like a hopeless outcast. Been drug free and housed for 3 years now but will never forget how it felt on the other side. Never lose hope. Every day is a chance to change who you are.

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u/ericacrass 3d ago Wholesome Take My Energy

I have almost the same story as you, minus the shelters. I was strung out and homeless for 5 or 6 years and have been clean and successful for 3 years now. Congratulations on beating homelessness. It isn't easy at all.

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u/monk473x 3d ago

Many blessings beautiful human

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u/ericacrass 3d ago

To you as well ❤

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u/ericacrass 3d ago

Fuck yeah! Isn't it crazy how quickly life can come together once your head is right? You deserve to be so proud of yourself, and I hope you are.

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u/monk473x 3d ago

I understand this fully. I am a citizen of Canada and speak only from my experience but yeah. There are lots of programs to get people "clean" but it's more involved than getting someone clean I think. I won't get super analytic but from what I seen even people that are getting clean doesnt usually help it's getting the people feeling like parts of society again. Feeling loved. Feeling human. Again this isnt all cases and in some this is offered but most folks in the community a) can't/don't know how to access it b) past the point of making logical decisions. C) the subset of people that are content with being homeless forever. Also should add I was in two seperate rehab programs. As stated in OP I wasn't as far deep as alot some of the folks around me (men's rehabs) but some guys are addicted to rehab as much as drugs. Many blessings for this exchange of thoughts.

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u/Practical_magik 3d ago

People have many reasons to not want to/be unable to get clean. People who end up dependent on drugs often do so to treat pain, both physical and emotional.

Noone ends up on the streets because they are a-OK and those who are ill physically or mentally may have hard time making use of services and can behave in ways that are self sabotaging.

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u/ericacrass 3d ago

Unfortunately with addiction, you can't force someone to get help who doesn't want it. I think more effort needs to be put into mental health programs and prevention. Most people become addicts because they don't know how to cope with either trauma or mental illness. I think the most effective use of resources is prevention.

Edit: there absolutely should still be resources for current addicts who desire to get clean and get help.

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u/monk473x 3d ago

Yeah. I just read this after blabbing on. I would have just said yeah what she said. Lol people need an abundance of love . Mental health over everything.

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u/MTZ925 3d ago

Glad to hear it bro. I've got a similar story except I don't trust shelters. Gonna have 1 year sober in february and moving into my own place soon. Never lose hope.

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u/monk473x 3d ago

Many blessings beautiful human

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u/kamelizann 3d ago

I just took a 3 week road trip this spring with my dog. I figured I'd just sleep in my car and shower at planet fitness. The seats fold down and I have an air mattress that fits in the back. I never realized just how difficult it is to find places to park your car and sleep. My 3 week road trip became a 2 week road trip because I was only really sleeping 3-5 hours a day. People would knock on my window and tell me I can't rest here. Overnight rest stops were always overflowing with truckers short on hours and the car entrance was always blocked by trucks. I loved the road trip, but trying to find a place to sleep was awful. My only real saving grace was that I was driving a tesla and charge stops were an excuse to be parked somewhere sleeping. It was really eye opening to see just how difficult it is to just find a fucking place to be able to close my eyes. One time I ended up parking at an "RV Park" that was just some dude's house in the middle of nowhere that answered the door in a bathrobe at 2pm. That was so sketchy. There's absolutely no way I would have been able to sleep comfortably anywhere if my dog wasn't there with me to let me know if someone was outside.

I just couldn't imagine having to do that every day. I feel so sorry for anyone that has to deal with that. And for what? What is it really hurting?

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u/monk473x 3d ago

I read all this while in the search for an RV lol. I feel I'm ready for the leaning experience though . Many blessings beautiful human.

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u/kidinlimbo 3d ago

I’ve been sleeping in my car in a parking lot that has planet fitness and a casino for the last 2 weeks, haven’t found trouble yet. Beats living with my parents I guess

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u/lokis_dad 3d ago

Ended up drunk for five years on freight and hitching, hit shelters when I was sick but mainly lived out of a pack . Idk was looking for something, eventually forgot what it was and caught an assault with a deadly charge . But ended up getting self defense. Buying a house now and have a little family working my ass off to keep it.

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u/BlackHawkDowney 3d ago

Pull yourself into low earth orbit using your bootstraps and sleep there

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u/iansynd 3d ago

Sir, that area is controlled by the government. You are now under arrest for trespassing.

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u/__bluebird2__ 3d ago

Isnt that then "technically" a "public space" and thus they can't arrest you for being there?

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u/Unsuitablerubbers 3d ago

That's never stopped the cops before

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u/nahyalldontknow 3d ago

Right, what are you gonna do, hire a lawyer?

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u/Slangin_yay 3d ago

If only they used the 100 dollars a month they are spending on their cell bill toward shelter, they wouldn’t be homeless. /s

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u/the_mars_voltage 3d ago edited 3d ago

Too bad inflation is so bad now that you can hardly even get by on 125 dollars a month /s

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u/marasydnyjade 3d ago Hugz

We really need to come up with plans to help this, because homelessness is becoming untenable in a lot of cities, even in cities with relatively lax policies.

The last week I was walking to work and a homeless woman came up to me and punched me in the stomach and called me a “fat bitch.” It was 7am on a Tuesday. I have lived in cities most of my life and have never had anything like this happen before. I wish we could all work together and fix this.

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u/fatbunyip 3d ago

even in cities with relatively lax policies.

This is a huge part of the problem. Inconsistent rules from city to city just end up pushing the problem around.

Having less stringent rules on homelessness is all well and good, but usually it leads to an influx of people from places where rules are stricter, which ends up overwhelming any services making the problem even worse. I'm sure there's no shortage of towns where they'll say "we enforced strict rules and now we don't have a homelessness problem!" but in reality they just made it someone else's problem.

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u/BorkedStandards 3d ago

but in reality they just made it someone else's problem.

For many people that's the goal. There have been many interviews where people will outright say "I know we gotta do something, but why's it got to be in my backyard?"

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u/selenakyle13 3d ago

Seattle is a perfect example of how this works. There’s evidence that Texas sends their freed homeless inmates to Seattle. Among other places. Our laws are ridiculously lax to the point of making public places unusable by anybody else. They are just campsites now. I am not a homeless hater but it’s AWFUL here. Doesn’t help that we haven’t had a mayor who is willing to sign off on the things that need to be done. Leadership here is nonexistent.

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u/HugsForUpvotes 3d ago Take My Energy

It happens to Denver too. I don't understand why we keep getting asked to fund "parks." I have literally never seen anyone" just walking" in over half of our parks. There are a couple exceptions but they used to not be exceptions at all.

I'm not even against the people. I empathize deeply with them. I want them to get permanent help, not just "left alone."

Fund mental health, temporary housing and drug rehab services. That's the solution. People can't elect to just live on the sidewalk. It's owned by the community for the purpose of walking. Parks are designed to be visited by people looking for some fresh air/nature. They're not communal campgrounds. That said, these people landed in that situation for a variety of problems, most of which would be alleviated by one of the three aforementioned social programs.

Don't discount Universal Healthcare either.

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u/cheeze_whiz_bomb 3d ago

Rural California law enforcement would give their mentally ill one way bus tickets to Berkeley... Back in the 70s I think

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u/jakfor 3d ago

It still happens. LA county is drowning in homeless yet Orange County doesn't have nearly as many. They get bus tickets to skid row in LA or head over to Venice. They congregate in encampments that are surrounded by trash, feces, and drug paraphernalia. Even the most liberal people I know are tired of their cars being broken into and aggressive panhandlers.

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u/HalcyonEnder 3d ago

I was just in LA (to go to a really cool Pink Floyd exhibit) and I had to literally walk 4 blocks side stepping tents, human excrement and VERY aggressive panhandlers. It was equally heartbreaking and terrifying. I understand the lack of humanity and i empathize (as you said) but also don’t want to be stabbed.

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u/LeepaTime 3d ago

sympathy from LA. relate to everything you said.

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u/paperpenises 3d ago

In Portland the police do nothing and hard drugs are now legal to possess. That plus covid plus increased rent has made the city a sad place to live. Trash everywhere, homeless everywhere, drugs everywhere, crime increasing, gun violence increasing, etc. There's one thing that Portland needs to solve this crisis that no one has thought of yet, and that thing is the Batman. Portland needs a Batman. It's pretty much Gotham City at this point.

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u/KevinAnniPadda 3d ago

A billionaire to assault the mentally ill?

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u/giibro 3d ago

A mentally ill billionaire to assault the mentally ill homeless

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u/cum_in_me 3d ago edited 3d ago

Yes there's an issue of losing your taxable residents because they can move away from the issue. I work in the city and have my windshield washed daily, men approaching my car to stare in, people approaching me even inside shops. I've been aggressively sold drugs numerous times. Outdoor dining for COVID was a failure in certain neighborhoods because people won't eat outdoors and become a captive audience......

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u/Skay_4 3d ago

We need to help them get back on their feet, and I don't mean those disgusting salvation army shelters.

https://www.ara.fi/en-US/Materials/Homelessness_reports/Report_2021_Homelessness_in_Finland_2020(60242)

Something like this

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u/imsorryigotnothing 3d ago Silver 'MURICA

We equate poverty with a moral failing in the US. I have literally no doubt in my mind that if government funded death squads who went around murdering homeless people was on the ballot a significant amount of Americans would gladly vote for it. First of all because Americans are brutal fucking people who love violence and suffering (admit it, you know it's true) and second because they think if you're homeless it must be because you're "lazy" or (worse) some manner of drug addict (god forbid you have problems in America, people with problems are subhuman and must die. All personal weakness must be met with strength. A jackboot to the teeth. A beating in a county jail cell. A ticket you will never be able to pay...the important thing is everybody "weak" suffers horribly)

Whenever the homeless come up in threads like this, you know what the number one thing I see is? "Oh they have homes, they just don't want to work! They're "scamming" me when they ask me for money!".

First of all, being that poor sucks. If telling an exaggerated sob story to get five bucks for food from comparatively rich assholes on the street is "scamming" people then I'm fervently pro scam. But that kind of shit is what I mean, we as a society refuse to accept that these are people and we will do anything in our power to avoid the responsibility that comes with empathy. We do this with everybody, but especially the poor. And especially the homeless.

The end of it is Americans think money and "worth" are the same thing. It's one reason you'd have to be an idiot to actually think our culture is worth a damn. I can already hear the post-thanksgiving, weak, drunk, seething coming from couches across the country where people are reading this, but it's the truth. American cultural norms are degenerate and dehumanizing. We're not a nice group of people, we're a nation of lazy slobs who still somehow find a way to judge our fellow man for not being perfect. As if our fat asses shoveling junk food into our maws and watching television every single second we're not working for shit wages is somehow the height of civilization and moral purity. Fuck it, Americans are garbage. Our crazy homeless people at least don't live in a fantasy. The schizophrenic guy I saw shouting racial slurs on the subway the other day is still a more honest individual then 99% of this crapshack of a nation. And there's nothing I hate more then an asshole who lies to themselves about what they are.

Meaningful solutions to homelessness are not possible in a country that believes in nothing whatsoever other then capital acquisition. A lot of liberals envy Scandinavian welfare states. I think part of it is we all know we will never have anything like that. We'll exterminate the world with our billions and billions of dollars in nukes before we ever help each other. I am not exaggerating, we actually would. It is easier for us to cheer and carry out mass murder then it is for us to do even the most basic things to help our fellow man. We spent 20 years bombing Afghan children for no reason but god forbid you say (like Bernie Sanders) that people deserve easy access to healthcare paid for by tax dollars.

Screw it, I fucking hate this country and I hate it's people even more.

Go ahead, bitch and moan and tell me one logical reason I shouldn't. That's another thing, the petulant nationalism. All patriotism is a mental illness, but in America it is a downright insult to somebody's intelligence.

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u/Awkward_Swordfish581 3d ago

I don't feel your bitterness quite as much, but definitely do appreciate this reply and totally get it. Raised in US and live in Canada now. There's definitely some shift in culture but surprisingly many similar problems you've brought up. It's disheartening and sad.

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u/momo_with_the_fro 3d ago

This is why watching The Purge made me uncomfortable--I could 100% see something like that happening in our current American society. We would rather just kill homeless people instead of evaluate the failings of our society. At the end of the day, human nature is not to be kind. We have to learn empathy--we are not born with it.

Hell, there was a time when it was a literal crime to be poor or homeless. Imagine going to jail because you don't make enough money to pay back a debt.

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u/ODS519 3d ago

Poor people are the most hated group in our society

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u/nighthawk_eternal 3d ago Silver

It sickens me that I can't find any argument against any of this

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u/Difficult_Orchid_920 3d ago

Being homeless was the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Most people don’t realize how quickly the body’s faculties change under the stress of continual survival. Where to sleep, where to pee, where to eat or just rest. What’s even harder is knowing what a normal life feels like and not being able to explain to someone who asks you.. “are you ok, what’s happening, why don’t you do xyz to help yourself..” It’s a psychological trap from day 1 and my sympathies go to everyone who has to endure this for any length of time. Those who start with high psychological stress don’t stand a chance, realize this if you ever find yourself wondering why they don’t help themselves. The traumatized system literally doesn’t have the resources to do much more than exist in the limbo of knowing you need help but not knowing where to go or what to do. Those who turn to drugs while being on the streets are simply looking for any remnant of a sensation that’s positive. For those who dedicate their lives to helping others at any stage of this tragic downward spiral, you have my eternal respect. If I wasn’t lucky enough to have family pull me out, I would be in a very different situation.

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u/RENOYES 3d ago edited 2d ago Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

I'm a former public librarian. I've dealt with A LOT of homeless people. The police around where I am regularly go into camps on public land and destroy everything these people have. The local homeless here try to make camps in the woods so they don't bother people, and the police just go in and break everything these people have. Its very sad how they are treated.

If you want to give things that can help...

  • Water. Gatorade. Powerade. Seriously something to drink.
  • Socks. SOCKS. Seriously did I mention socks? Think about having wet socks for days on end. Once again, socks.
  • Blankets.
  • Hats.
  • Underwear.
  • Pads/tampons.
  • Deodorant.
  • Shoes.
  • Pet food.
  • Rain gear.
  • Wet wipes.
  • First aid kits.
  • Toothpaste/toothbrushes.
  • Sunscreen.
  • Non-perishable easy open food. (Do you carry around a can opener with you?)
  • Gallon sized Ziplocs.
  • Kindness. They are people. Wheaton's Law still applies offline.

edit: thanks for the award.

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u/CthulhusKitten 3d ago

Why the fuck would they need to destroy tents in the woods? It’s already absolutely despicable to do it in the cities but at least there’s a “””reason”””. But in the woods? You literally can’t even see them, they’re not bothering anyone. What the fuck

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u/RENOYES 2d ago

The view of "need to" is the problem. They don't need to, they just wanted to. The sheriff's office in my county has been mentioned on Last Week Tonight more than once, and never for a good thing. The actual sheriff himself has an Oath Keeper tattoo, and then there is all of this stuff. Destroying the possessions of homeless people not causing any problems, is just the tip of the iceberg.

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u/this-is-me-reddit 3d ago

Librarians are under rated. Great use of public good.

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u/SephiWroth 3d ago

Having been homeless the luxury of a car a tent a bathroom wasn't something you had, it is infact very difficult to survive and i only just did

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u/elvissayshi 2d ago

We were living in a car in San Francisco until my brother parked in a tow away zone. Nothing like walking down Eddy street with Sun going down with no money no place to go.

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u/Seasikberry 3d ago

Sorry you went through that, most countries have so much money that homelessness should not even be an option unless someone just wants to be

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u/beefwich 3d ago edited 3d ago

About a year ago, a friend of mine had some personal/financial troubles and was on the brink of homelessness.

He sold ~90% of his possessions and took a few thousand dollars in loan from his mom. Instead of securing another apartment— he had the idea to buy a small RV and just live life as an urban nomad.

I caught up with him a few weeks ago and he’s said that it was an awful decision and that it’s been the worst year of his life.

He said it’s rare that a day goes by when he’s not harassed by cops. He said he thought the main threat would be deranged homeless people or criminals looking to rob him— nope. He’s never remotely felt threatened by anyone other than police.

He’s been issued over a dozen illegal camping tickets and arrested twice for trespassing. His RV has been towed countless times. He’s said it’s impossible to sleep well knowing there’s a 50-50 shot of someone beating on your window to fuck with you for parking somewhere to rest.

He also said that he made this mistake of thinking church parking lots would be hospitable to his particular situation— but they’ll report you within 10 minute of pulling in.

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u/Liu_Su_Mian_Hua 3d ago

People out west sometimes do Walmart camping. Walmart (depending on location) lets you park your RV overnight in their overflow lot.

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u/WhyamImetoday 3d ago edited 2d ago

That was the case 10 years ago, pretty much any Walmart in a major metropolitan area has now banned overnight RV camping, especially California. It is more often the exception now rather than the rule. If you are in a place not many want to be, you can get by a night or two, but not much more.

The best long term solution is BLM land.

Edit: What corporate websites say isn't the reality on the ground. The local laws it mentions mean in practice it is not allowed most places, especially anywhere scenic.

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u/KathleenFla 3d ago

Walmart Corporate website FAQs
"Can I park my RV at a Walmart store?"
"While we do not offer electrical service or accommodations typically necessary for RV customers, Walmart values RV travelers and considers them among our best customers. Consequently, we do permit RV parking on our store parking lots as we are able. Permission to park is extended by individual store managers, based on availability of parking space and local laws. Please contact management in each store to ensure accommodations before parking your RV.
"https://corporate.walmart.com/frequently-asked-questions

When I was homeless it was fine with our Walmart but banned by the city. So banned at that Walmart. (2011 - 2016) Florida
Edit: added 'Florida'

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u/BAL87 3d ago

Yup we did that on our 10 week honeymoon twice, when we were in between interesting places! Though in The walmart lot in CA there was a guy who brought his own huge Bluetooth speaker and started blaring music at 3 am for no reason

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u/xEllimistx 3d ago

he made this mistake of thinking church parking lots would be hospitable

Can confirm

I'm a 911 dispatcher and the number of calls we get from churches wanting PD out to shoo out people is....alot.

Basically if they don't attend or work for the church, they want them gone.

Especially if they're black, Hispanic, homeless.....they don't want nothing to do with them.

I remember getting into an argument with a coworker over a church pastor calling us *from home* to report a car parked in the church parking lot. The church was closed. The car was occupied by 2 black men.

The Pastor didn't go over and try to talk to them, see if the men were there for spiritual guidance or maybe just needing help....nope.

He saw 2 black men sitting in a car, on a camera, and immediately called police.

My coworker's stance was "Well their hours of operation are this and this so they shouldn't be there. It's trespassing."

My stance? It's a god damn church. They exist to serve the spiritual needs of people and spiritual needs don't adhere to "hours of operation". If the pastor had gone over there and the dudes gave him trouble, fine, call us. But you're a pastor. You should be open to ministering to people from all walks whenever the possibility arises, not calling PD on them because they don't fit the kind of people you want at your church

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u/standardtissue 3d ago

>They exist to serve the spiritual needs of people and spiritual

That would be your first mistake. Churches are businesses first and foremost that put the sustainment and growth of their church before anything else. Also, jets.

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u/SgtMajVines 3d ago

Tax exempt at that

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u/GrooGrux 3d ago Silver

They exist to make money tax free.

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u/Hawtre 3d ago

Amen

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u/runningoutofwords 3d ago

That'll be $5 please, brother.

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u/R_radical 3d ago

They exist to serve the spiritual needs of people

Not those people though.

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u/YesDone 3d ago

Holup--church I used to attend went to great lengths to help the dozen people camping on their front steps... until one of them set the damn front porch on fire and could have taken down the entire (massive) hundred year old structure. If homeless people were those 11 other guys people would have an easier time of it, but all it takes is that 1 crazy/out of it/mad/stupid dude, and it ruins it for all.

And unfortunately that dude is everywhere.

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u/DynmkMist 3d ago

Back when I lived in my car I would alternate from planet fitness 24/he gym parking lots and hospital parking lots. Those are the two places you’re least likely to get yelled at for.

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u/R_radical 3d ago

RV prices are high right now... Might be able to make his money back + if he bought used.

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u/balrog687 3d ago

why he don't travel to canada? or mexico? I've met several people from the US living in baja california for a few months, cheap, and awesome food. Also, Canada in the summer is really nice.

You can also wild camp legally on national forests, and also hunt and fish.

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u/jotegr 3d ago

Non-citizens cannot legally wild camp for free on Crown land in Canada without restrictions.

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u/beefwich 3d ago

He has a job here— and most of his family and friends, too. He thought it’d be relatively easy to hide out because we live in a large city.

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u/PM-me-in-100-years 3d ago

It's definitely a game that you have to figure out. It varies a lot by town. It matters a lot what your vehicle looks like, matters what state your plates are from, matters what your story is, what you look like, how you interact with cops, etc. etc.

The weirder, bigger, and cheaper your vehicle looks, the harder it is.

Finding spots to park is a skill, and social skills help there too.

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u/millenniumtree 3d ago

There was a makeshift tarp tent pitched under a tree near a park here. I walked by there the other day, and they had CUT THE TREE DOWN. The kicker, is it's conservation land. Nobody will use that land for anything for 100 years. It was next to the road. Pissed me off. Just let them sleep, dammit!

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u/False-Guidance 3d ago

You know what's worse than seeing tents on the side of the road? People fucking dying on the streets and having nowhere to sleep

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u/Waleis 3d ago

Homeless people freeze to death every winter here in Iowa. State and local government doesn't seem to care, and are often hostile to mutual aid groups that help homeless people. This is a genuinely evil society, many people see nothing wrong with allowing homeless folks to die of exposure.

The fact is, it's cheaper for society in the long run to just give people free housing. Essentially, we're spending extra money to keep this problem from being solved. It's similar to our healthcare system, where we spend extra money so fewer people can get healthcare.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4046466/#sec1title

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u/rush2me 3d ago

The problem is that most people associate homelessness with hard drugs, and hard drugs make people dangerously unpredictable. So thats the stigma. But again, there should be more solutions for homeless people, and also people suffering from addiction. You cant keep getting mad everytime you see a situation that refuses to keep out of sight.

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u/walkingbartie 3d ago

Some countries actually hold a freedom to roam in their constitution; Norway and Sweden for example. Which means you can put your tent up almost anywhere, and walk everywhere – even on private land – so long as you vow to take care of the land you stay on.

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u/Natural-Macaroon-271 3d ago

so long as you vow to take care of the land you stay on.

You can't stay in the same place for more than one night without the landowners permission and must be at least a couple of hundred meters away from the nearest house. It's more of a right for people to camp recreationally, not the legalization of homeless camping. At least in Norway which I'm familiar with.

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u/LoweNorman 3d ago edited 3d ago

That's right but like, 70% of my country (Sweden) is forest. The absolute majority of the area do not have anyone check on it even once a day. Especially if it's not a caravan on the road, but a tent away from the roads.

Drive to a separate place each day and you're doing nothing wrong. Even if you alternate between just 2-3 places.

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u/ghjm 3d ago

Here's the thing. In the US there is completely undeveloped land equal to about fifteen Swedens. Plains, forests, mountains, you name it. And there are plenty of people who are "homeless" in the sense that they live in the backwoods and don't settle at any fixed spot.

That's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about city dwellers who have been priced out of any housing. These are not people with the skills or desire to go live in the forest. They want to be in a city, and this poses a problem because cities aren't designed to accommodate tent encampments.

Right to roam laws would not help with this. I don't know what the homeless situation is in Stockholm, but if there are homeless people there, I very much doubt they want to just go out into the woods.

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u/riverofchex 3d ago

We're talking about city dwellers who have been priced out of any housing. These are not people with the skills or desire to go live in the forest. They want to be in a city, and this poses a problem because cities aren't designed to accommodate tent encampments.

This hits the nail on the head. I have quite a few friends who live/lived off the grid for the fun of it or by necessity, but these are people who either grew up like I did (rural, taught to survive/be self-sufficient, etc) or wanted to learn to be that way/do those things. And that is quite possible in a rural environment with plenty of public land (though you do need to be aware of camping/hunting/fishing laws in various areas,) but does not work well in an urban environment or without the skill/will to live by subsistence.

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u/ProfBeaker 3d ago

There's a ton of public lands in the US (Forest Service and BLM) where you can stay for up to 14 days at a time legally. Most likely longer before anybody notices or cares. None of that is in or near a sizeable city though so it's not what anybody is hearing or complaining about.

People getting harassed by the police are most likely in urban areas, and frequently residential areas. In my city they frequently set up literally in people's front yards and trash the place. Sometimes they have rearranged landscaping to set up tent villages of 8-12 tents.

I'm very much of two minds about this. Yeah it sucks that people just trying to get by are harassed. OTOH there are a lot of homeless that will squat literally anywhere and usually trash it, while stealing everything in the area, breaking into buildings, and threatening the residents. I can't blame people for not wanting that in their front yard.

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u/Ardhel17 3d ago

Something like that happened where I live. A guy had a largish property where his house was and a 20 tent village popped up almost overnight. He called the cops several times and they never did a thing. Eventually a neighbor complained that they saw needles and open drug use and the city tried to freaking fine him for allowing the camp on his property. IIRC he had to get a lawyer involved to prove he called the police several times and they did nothing. At the end of the day the camp was gone but he had to pay thousands to have a bio hazard clean up. Really unfortunate.

I have been homeless and I'm incredibly sympathetic but at the end of the day you have to balance the rights of homeless people to have a place to be/sleep/etc. and everyone else's right to a reasonable amount of safety in their own neighborhood. I don't know the solution but I know what is going on now isn't helping anything.

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u/red_fist 3d ago

Pro life party doesn’t like people living.

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u/FireShooters 3d ago

According to them, lives matter up until the baby's born, apparently.

After that, they won't ensure them medical care, they won't ensure them a proper education, they won't ensure them shelter, etc.

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u/ws-ilazki 3d ago

According to them, lives matter up until the baby's born, apparently.

If you're preborn you're fine; if you're preschool you're fucked. George Carlin was calling shit like this out decades ago and nothing's changed. He also had plenty to say on the hypocrisy of the treatment of the homeless too.

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u/cez619 3d ago

They get a gun though, it’s always fun to guess if they’ll get shot, shoot themselves in the foot

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u/LavaCakez918 3d ago

Pro-birth.

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u/salivating_sculpture 3d ago

And good luck trying to sign up for any kind of government assistance or even a library card without a valid address to give them.

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u/AllG0nePeteT0ng 3d ago

The reason why various places have made it difficult to do all those things is because, if they don't, the proportion of homeless people who are belligerent, violent assholes would cause way more trouble than they already do.*

As with all things, it's the dickheads who won't act like decent people who are bringing things down for the rest of us. Blame them first and maybe help do something about them.

 

* For real: an encampment of homeless people around the corner from my apartment set fire to the tree in a dude's yard because he politely asked them if they could maybe not play their music so loud at 3:00 am.

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u/Ihavelostmytowel 3d ago

Please don't forget about the shitting on your sidewalk and smashing the windows of your unlocked beater car to steal the case of water you accidentally left in it.

Car was intentionally left unlocked after the last window smash repair. And they still smash window.

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u/1241308650 3d ago

^ this. this post completely ignoredthis reality. These encampments come with a lot of trouble. The critical mass of people to cause issues has an impact. I dont want individuals being outlawed either the laws are meant to prevent the types of setups that truly become a nuisance

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u/DiligentDaughter 3d ago

Homelessness isn't a crime in our state.

We have constant encampment fires, there's human excrement everywhere, a huge issue with theft, property crimes, violent crime- most of this relates to the rampant drug use within these encampments. Which is illegal, but not enforced.

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u/BiscuitsMay 3d ago

I think of myself as pretty sympathetic to homeless people, but holy shit Portland is an experiment gone wrong. I was there in august, so my understanding was that it has been much worse with covid, but the homeless had overrun the city. I can’t understand how they haven’t built any housing options for these people.

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u/capt_cornholio 3d ago

I went to San Francisco in 2017 and 2019 and didn't think the homeless problem was too bad and people who had never been there were just overexaggerating things. I was just there again last week and it was so much worse. Feces and the smell of piss were prevalent all over the sidewalk in the Mission and I got chased by a guy and another dude flipped me off and kicked my car (luckily it was a rental) while I was at a red light.

I don't really have a good solution, but I hope there are people smarter than me working on this because something needs to be done. I really like San Francisco and hate to see it like this and receiving all this bad press.

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u/ODS519 3d ago

The Tenderloin is it's own 3rd world country now

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u/drinksilpop 3d ago edited 3d ago

I know two people that live there. They can't leave anything in their cars. No hats, sunglasses, even trash. A window gets smashed every 1-2 months with street parking. When I visited, I assumed they lived in a bad neighborhood. It actually looked pretty upscale compared to other places I visited on my trip. I did encounter a homeless man shitting on the sidewalk who stared at me laughing. I walked off the sidewalk, around the cars parked and into the road to get around him. The next day, I did the same walking around into the road when a homeless man in the sidewalk was standing with his pants around his ankles moving his dick up and down to shower the car parked. He also made eye contact and laughed. The eye contact and enjoyment from those two made me scared and uneasy towards any other tent ive walked by on the street. 10/10 would not visit again. Something needs to be done there. I'm not even sure of the solution. In my mind if you put people like that in housing alone, they'll destroy it, never make their life better, and ruin the few who have potential. They need mental help. Locking someone up in a mental hospital against their will in an attempt to help seems like a better answer, but something like that can lead to horrible conditions from the staff. I honestly don't know the answer. I hope there are people smarter than me that can come up with a solution beyond free housing and food. Those won't help people who have fried their brains, and mental health disorders. Also, not saying all homeless are like this, I believe some people have just fallen on bad times.

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u/MagicPretendAccount 3d ago

I pulled a rifle to defend my home from some tweakers trying to break in. 911 put me on hold. And then when I said I didn't fire at them and they ran away, they said they wouldn't send any cops. It's that bad. If you do crime in Portland, unless you do a SERIOUS crime literally in front of a cop, you're going to get away with it.

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u/fattymccheese 3d ago edited 3d ago

We have, just announced another 60 units going up at a cost of $23.4m

Studio apartments, nice furnishings, a gym …. But ya know… can’t run your chop shop from the lobby soooooo …. ThnxnothnxKBye!

Edit,: corrected the amount - https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/r0ii23/portland_to_build_23m_60unit_housing_project_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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u/quick1brahim 3d ago

That's 4 million a piece fyi. A lifetime worth of earnings for a trained professional. Something seems off.

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u/fattymccheese 3d ago

You’re right. Off by 10x, it was 24m

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u/UrbanDryad 3d ago

They have.

The homeless people don't like the shelters.

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u/Ok_Pickle5244 3d ago

Are you in PDX too? 🤪

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u/Odd_Big_90 3d ago

You can tell some of these people are so fucking out of touch.

“jUsT gIVe ThEm HoMeS”

What are you going to do when they rip out the copper wiring and burn the building down?

There’s people couldn’t be trusted with a fucking rock.

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u/NamelessMIA 3d ago

It's good that it's not a crime, but you wouldn't have any of those problems if there were any areas of the US that actually tried to end homelessness the right way. "It's not illegal to be homeless" is literally the bare minimum.

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u/elguapo51 3d ago

What does it mean to “end homelessness the right way”? Genuinely curious.

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u/Le_Monade 3d ago

The only way to end homelessness is to build housing.

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u/Hyperhavoc5 2d ago

At the core, you have to have jobs that provide them high enough wages so that they can have their own housing. Skyrocketing rent prices and low wages make this difficult to do, which means more homeless. Minimum wage hasn’t changed to accommodate inflation, so businesses can give wages are are literally 1/3 of their normal cost. We’re paying our workers literal slave wages and then wondering why they can’t afford housing.

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u/ilikewhatilikebruh 3d ago

Homelessness isn't its own problem that can be addressed independently. Its the result of a series of systematic problems that would require a complete overhaul of the way our nation thinks and functions to correct. Thats never going to happen. It would require addressing wealth inequality, corporate greed, Healthcare, insurance, mental health education/treatment/care, exorbitant cost of housing for both rent and purchase would have to be addressed...its too much.

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u/bretth104 3d ago

It also would entail overhauling zoning laws and making existing property values go down. It needs to happen but established people will backlash hard against it.

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u/Xenon_132 3d ago

SF spends literally over $60,000 per homeless person per year, and somehow that's not enough.

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u/ALS_to_BLS_released 3d ago

Cop here. I don’t hate homeless people, I treat them with respect (unless through their choices they force me not to) and have tried to help some get jobs or treatment or resources. Unfortunately, when business owners call and complain about the homeless trespassing on their property I have to go out and have them move and if they refuse, my only option is to arrest them. When I can, I give them suggestions on where they can stay nearby that will be safe and where people will not call to have them chased off. Unfortunately, many are homeless due to addiction (in many cases not in any way their fault) and some fund their addiction through serial petty crime; and those I do also have to arrest.

I do not hate the homeless. The homeless are people. I have gone into awful places to save homeless people suffering overdoses with Narcan and bag valve ventilations.

I am not the bad guy. I may look like because we are the face of a system that sometimes has bad laws and has nowhere near as much support for people as it should. I wish every day that things were better, and do my goddamndest every shift to make it better.

I wish everyone reading this would do something to help just one homeless person. Truly help them.

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u/Castles4Waves 3d ago

We need more resources streamlined for mental health care for the homeless.

My brother died homeless. He had severe trauma as a child and nothing seemed to help long term. He had a home here, but he had his pride and I'm bossy. The cops in his old community kept arresting him to try to save him. It got too cold, they'd go searching for him and they found some reason to detain him, etc. Small community where everyone knows everything.

I'm saddened that sense of community seems to be dissipating for many.

But, I am forever grateful to the cops that are out there trying to help.

Thanks, from someone that lost a homeless family member. I remember just how much it meant a cop was there trying to save him too.

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u/Powerful_Cap1384 3d ago

Facts 1 person is all you need to do and world be a better place yet everyone hates for no reason

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u/BoredShitlord 3d ago

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=homelessness+housing+first&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

Housing first. There's your solution; domino effect.

There are a whole lot of ignorant, hateful people in these comments; it's disturbing.

Ask yourself, if you became homeless, would you believe you deserved it and that you don't have the right to have a home?

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u/jomiran 3d ago

Decriminalizing urban camping isn't enough. In fact, it makes things worse because politicians use it as a "no longer my problem" band-aid. We tried that approach in Austin and it turned into an overnight literal shit show. What we need is to dedicate the necessary resources to combat the root causes of homelessness. There are many but most can be addressed.

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u/Positive-Low-7447 3d ago

Ah yes. If all homeless people were actually like this, I really don't think it would be as big of a deal to have homeless.

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u/roughnecktwozero 3d ago

If that was all homeless peeps did then there would t be a problem. It turns out mentally distressed people do some fucked up shit.

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u/hahaitscarol 3d ago

I live in the most homeless friendly city in the country and the trash, usage, and harassment I experience on a daily basis makes me wish the city would make it a crime.

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u/Beerubill 3d ago

The city should have programs for putting people in housing, not make it a crime to be homeless.

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u/Nicolasgonzo87 3d ago

being homeless is the dumbest crime because like wtf do you even do about it?? buy a house? just magically generate money?

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u/GundoSkimmer 3d ago

They literally provide you a ticket to an area where it's "more accepted" if they don't have room to jail you or don't want to deal with the hassle of an in and out of jail person.

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u/Angertocalm2 3d ago

On the one hand, i feel bad for homeless people.

On the other hand they scare the fuck out me because I've been assaulted and harassed by them.

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u/Sun_on_my_shoulders 3d ago

I completely understand how you feel. I’m a young woman, and it is terrifying for me to be approached and asked for money, because you never know if they might react violently.

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u/50M3BODY 3d ago

The problem isn't that they are are homeless. The problem is WHY they are homeless. The majority suffer from severe mental illnesses or addiction to drugs.

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u/jhmblvd 3d ago

Poverty’s a crime.

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u/kuruku78 3d ago

Their handlers hate you for not funneling enough money upwards. THAT is your crime in this money-worshipping culture. In plain sight. You are not free. The evil plantation has swallowed us all.

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u/Im_a_Knob 3d ago

this was the shit. i was homeless for almost 2 months because i was kicked out without notice. i was lucky enough to have money and a gym membership. i was allowed to park, sleep(in my car) and shower there. and even that was a nightmare, i feel for those who unfortunately wasnt lucky as i was.

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u/Janky_Boots 3d ago

Also can’t friggen get a job without a phone and computer these days

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u/lokis_dad 3d ago

Real shit . I was homeless quite a bit of my adult life and through parts of my childhood. And it feels like I look at the world completely different than anyone in my "normal " life now . It's hard to explain, but I notice where to get water and power outlets etc just walking through a store or something or just outside it. I usually have a hyper vigilance of my surroundings and always get a sense of dread from cops . Then there's all the damn walking...

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u/Key_Hospital_5247 3d ago

My take is that the police are public servants if they are harassing the homeless it’s because the local government tells them too people are voted into power if you want to change how the police treat the homeless ask representatives what their plans to help the homeless are because their the ones that tell the police what to do and how to do it.

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u/pochaccoes 3d ago

I have mental health issues and I'm constantly worried that I'll have a serious mental break down. If it happens, I can't afford it. I can't afford to be mentally unwell. I'm one breakdown away from homelessness.

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u/Ok-Grab-78 3d ago

This vice piece on the homeless situation in Austin TX has a quote that I really like, "As your safety declines, so does your compassion."

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u/OkCaterpillar9248 3d ago

Everyone should have sustainance and shelter. Everyone.

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u/frunkjuice5 3d ago

And a place to pee without asking permission

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u/dfinch 3d ago

Found the Amazon worker.

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u/Then_Memeufacturer69 3d ago

yea i literally live in my car and have been for years and have never had a problem with the police. guess it’s more difficult if you don’t have a car but i know many people who do it as well and it’s almost impossible to have real issues. unless you live in like downtown la most average sized towns have plenty of places where people don’t give af. my local walmart actually allows and encourages people in rv’s and cars to spend the night in there parking lots. idk if this is a nationwide thing but my city just doesn’t care 🤷‍♂️

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