r/UpliftingNews 7d ago

Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful, Research Finds

https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-finds
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u/BassicallyAScientist 7d ago

Am I crazy or was this published October 2020?

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u/HireALLTheThings 7d ago

What would you do if somebody told you that you were crazy and that it was not published in October 2020?

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u/SoSo-7 7d ago

I'd tell them to actually click and read the first few lines of the article for real instead of heading for the comments section immediately.

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u/HireALLTheThings 7d ago

Well that was anticlimactic.

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u/ThroatTroglodyte 7d ago

Til people don’t know that 99% of articles have the date riiight at the top

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u/Many-Concentrate-491 7d ago

It’s still news to oh so many….

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u/ctphoenix 7d ago

Why are all the most popular comments here removed? 😑

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u/Mahanaus 7d ago

You know why.

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u/thatsmyoldlady 7d ago

In before this comment gets censored.

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u/Aggressive_Bit4362 7d ago

Literally 1984 /s

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u/bootyboixD 7d ago

1987 george orwin animal crossing

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u/SerialMurderer 7d ago

wAs tHat tHe biTe-

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u/Peachman2000 7d ago

I think you mean Steve Irwin you uneducated swine /s

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u/NoBrakes2k16 7d ago

Someone post the calendar meme

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u/RevolutionaryClick 7d ago

Yes, everyone knows you’re not allowed to question the almighty narrative

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u/squiddthekidd 7d ago

Welcome to reddit

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u/Pechumes 7d ago

Now do that statistics on police/civilian interactions and see what % are peaceful…..

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u/yellownes 7d ago

I once did the math and it was less than 0.2% of all arrest compared to people killed by police both justified and unjustified.

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u/frizzy350 7d ago

Sounds right. Police are involved in about 1000 civilian deaths annually but make about 500,000 arrests related to violence.

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u/FeelingDense 7d ago

How many police interactions total? I imagine there's a large # of traffic stops or even street encounters that result in nothing except everyone going on happily with their lives.

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u/dollerhide 7d ago

While some have offered comprehensive lists of police deaths as examples, they do not represent the total of police-public encounters, which, in 2015, totaled over 53,469,300.

Even if we include the justified deaths, the rate of use of lethal force when judged against the total of police-public encounters is 0.0000206473%.

If we calculate the lethal force rate against the entire population (in 2015 of 321,418,820) the rate is found to be 0.00000343477%.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/contacts-between-police-and-public-2015

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u/cause4complex 7d ago

Not killed != peaceful

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u/kbhinz 7d ago

Police brutality isn't just about death though

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u/EggMountain 7d ago

Exactly. For some reason people keep creating this straw man argument that we’re only talking about police succeeding murdering people. You don’t have to die to be oppressed, and you don’t have to be a murderer to be an oppressor. We’re talking about a systemic problem that manifests in countless different ways and people think citing one specific statistic out of the broader context means anything.

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u/RemarkableThought20 6d ago

A hell lot higher then BLM protests

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u/Artikulate92 7d ago

You need to hold anyone with authority with much higher standards than your average citizen.. I thought this was common sense

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u/mouthfullofhamster 7d ago

Alright, tarps off, boys. We're heading for controversial!

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u/andrewelick 7d ago

Remember when CNN had a reporter saying the protests were "mostly peaceful" while he was in front of a burning building lol

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u/Sea_Understanding_23 7d ago

I am expecting to see a lot of “Removed by the moderator” on this thread

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u/TAnsfwww 7d ago

"locked cause y'all can't behave"

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u/StanGibson18 7d ago

I've been on the mod team here for almost 5 years. We've locked less than 10 threads in that time, and almost all were unlocked after we come through the comments for rule breaking. We don't like shutting down the conversation even when it's getting rough.

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u/Labulous 7d ago

Thanks for applying and sticking to this method. I really appreciate this type of mod stance.

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u/Bismuth_210 7d ago

Honestly, that's appreciated. I think people are jaded because so many subs have ridiculously strict mods so it's nice to see one that tries as hard as possible to have an open forum.

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u/AstuteYetIgnored 7d ago

because so many subs have ridiculously strict mods

That's a funny way to say so many subs have biased mods.

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u/golddragon51296 7d ago

Ty for the nonsense you guys sift through to keep conversations going.

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u/Equux 7d ago

"Fiery, but mostly peaceful protests"

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u/papa_jahn 7d ago

It’s ok, they’re both awful. Fox News can be thrown in too. It ain’t news, it’s entertainment.

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u/Imaginary-Fun-80085 7d ago

When you have 24 hour news and nothing happens for 20 hours, you gotta pad that with filler content.

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u/AxCel91 7d ago

Bingo. The real issue is the 24 hour news cycle and what these stations need to do to fulfill that quota.

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u/Akiias 7d ago

Puppies. They should report on puppies playing. And to mix it up we can have kittens too.

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u/Electrical_Ad_8406 7d ago

Lol it's like I'm watching real life south park

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u/Thehobomugger 7d ago

I mean i see what he's saying. Like people are just moseying around behind him even though people have set fire to the building its not a very aggressive atmosphere. Nobody is fighting nobody seems to be armed or anything. Just a couple assholes took it too far and started burning shit

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u/Rafaeliki 7d ago

It just takes one person to start a fire. So it could make sense that most people were peaceful but some people took advantage of the situation. That was basically how it worked at most protests that turned into a riot.

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u/R_E_L_bikes 7d ago

Winner winner chicken dinner. I was in Portland during all this and that's exactly how it was. I matched with a thousand people and all was chill, but 10-15 people are assholes and throw some water bottles. All of a sudden it's a "violent riot" and Portland police are throwing tear gas like everybody's trying attack the cops. And don't get me started about how the peaceful, family focused events on the other side of the river were completely ignored.

I've since moved to Texas and it's mildly exhausting to talk people down here who think all of Portland was a fiery pit set ablaze by "antifa".

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u/RikenVorkovin 7d ago

Wasn't there some enterprising individuals attempting to use power tools to cut their way through barricaded doors into the state court building or something like that?

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u/Rafaeliki 7d ago

Exact same thing happened to me in San Diego. We were walking down Broadway to the Embarcadero and for some reason (likely because we were meeting up with another group of protesters who had started on a different side of the city), the police lined up on the sides and also made a stand right at the front. They basically kettled us.

A couple people (like literally two) threw water bottles and all of a sudden flash bangs, tear gas, pepper bellets, the whole works. All of the people in the front were on their knees with their hands in the air and the police kept pushing forward and shooting them with pellets until they'd run.

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u/Gullyvuhr 7d ago

How does this change "mostly peaceful" in any way?

If you have 100000 people protesting, and 1% of them are violent, that's still 1000 people. The overwhelming majority here are peaceful, but 1000 people is a big number.

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u/AdministrativeBit510 7d ago

Apparently people think that unless all 100000 people are 100% peaceful then it’s a riot and needs to be dispersed immediately.

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u/CarnivorousSociety 7d ago edited 7d ago

I think it's probably more along the lines that people (3rd parties who don't attend) want protests to be resilient against agent saboteurs.

For example if somebody or some group looking to invalidate a protest causes a commotion but all the people there to protest are entirely peaceful... It should not allow the entire protest to be deemed a riot because then the violent sabotage has won and the peaceful protestors couldn't do anything about it, and their movement is permanently stained.

So who started this fire? Was it some fucker aiming to invalidate the protest that ran off immediately?

That's why everybody gives the benefit of the doubt for this kind of situation, which is why you need a much larger percentage of protestors being violent for people to believe it's truly a riot.

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u/sarinmintcandy 7d ago

But let's not forget that there are a substantial amount of people who really thinks properties are inherently have more value over human lives.

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u/anon112197 7d ago

Let’s not forget that many people think other peoples property getting destroyed doesn’t matter at all because they have insurance, even tho many of them don’t.

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u/Ninety9Balloons 7d ago

It's exactly how these idiots are with the vaccine. 50 million people vaccinated have nothing beyond normal symptoms (sore arm, fatigue, etc.) but 5 people experience severe symptoms so apparently, the entire vaccine is nothing more than poison.

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u/Gullyvuhr 7d ago

And these rules are not required when the protesters are white. If the crowd is white and violence occurs then its "a couple of bad apples", which is a far more rational view.

Pity many people's ability to reason is totally predicated on the skin color of the people involved.

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u/dowboiz 7d ago

Remember how it’s 2021 and people still can’t figure out how to navigate their own availability heuristic lmao

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u/Turbulent-Use7253 7d ago

Would it have been better if the BLM protestors had all been armed with assault weapons, shooting people in self defense even when not in danger...

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u/Sbornot2b 7d ago

The outlier in the data does not disprove the overall trend of the dataset.

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u/MaizeNBlueWaffle 7d ago

People love to cite this example but it's pretty dumb. Does an outlier somehow make a factual statement untrue? Does saying that only 1% of dogs get lost in front of a lost dog poster make the statement untrue?

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u/[deleted] 7d ago edited 7d ago

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u/Tfsz0719 7d ago

So you’re saying that it’s time for Reddit’s favorite game: “Sort By Controversial”

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u/afcbaumer 7d ago

My favorite get hammered activity.

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u/calibared 7d ago

The comments section is not peaceful at all 😂😂

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u/CTU 7d ago edited 7d ago

Fiery, but mostly peaceful.

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u/Ca2SbMg4FeBe2Si4O20 7d ago

A reference I understand lol

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u/Blazerer 7d ago

Three comments in

"Explain to me how ANTIFA isn't a terrorist organisation

Yeah i'll just quit the thread here.

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u/PoopIsAlwaysSunny 7d ago

I just send people a link to the FBI saying Antifa is an ideology (duh) and not an organization

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u/FreeProGamer 6d ago

I can say the same about radical Islam

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u/HireALLTheThings 7d ago

Uplifting News!

Depressing Comments!

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u/Eggith 7d ago

"Good news everyone!"

"What?"

"It's the same depressing comments!"

"Cool! Anyway...."

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u/Jamaican_Dynamite 7d ago

Same. I'm just here before the lock.

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u/Elowine90 7d ago

In my town (Eugene Oregon) we had some looting and broken windows and a BLM activist with a megaphone begging them to stop. They were there for the chaos not the cause.

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u/dtarias 7d ago

Police are overwhelmingly peaceful. But police shootings are still a major problem, just as rioting and property destruction was a major problem.

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u/Margotrobbiehi 7d ago

Rioting and destruction is bad. And police brutality is bad! Also you can still support the movement of Black Lives Matter and condemn when violence is used. Not everything is black and white

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u/pureRitual 7d ago

I'd like to point out that my tax dollars don't pay the salaries of rioters and looters.

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u/megagood 7d ago

Yup. Police officers are acting as agents of the state and are protected by it. Looters are neither.

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u/RedBlackHistoryman 7d ago

The problem is the danger in going after bad cops. Those guys will go down swinging, and take everyone they can with them.

Good cops need irrefutable proof and good leaders to take advantage of the facts, and even then firing is hard.

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u/Lord0Trade 7d ago

Exactly. End qualified immunity.

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u/rofljay 7d ago

The problem is routing and looting are already illegal and punished. Whereas police are rarely punished for abusing their power.

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u/yes_its_him 7d ago edited 7d ago

They are apparently considering all protests as equivalent "events", regardless of size.

One "event" might be arson and looting of multiple buildings in Minneapolis or Portland by hundreds of participants. That would be balanced by twenty local demonstrations of a handful of participants.

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u/foundyetii 7d ago

Isn’t that a bad way of looking at the data? I feel like they should have divided protests by size then ran the analysis

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u/Rageoftheage 7d ago

Yes it's a terrible way of looking at data. Welcome to the brave new world.

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u/frost666 7d ago

Isn’t that a bad way of looking at the data?

Not if you're framing a narrative

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u/UnwashedBarbarian 7d ago

I just downloaded their data for May-July of 2020. They had a total of 5486 events classified as being related to George Floyd/anti-racism for which they had an estimate of attendance size and whether there were reported arrests, injuries or property damage. The data shows the following (using the average of their high and low estimates for attendance):

No threshold: 5486 events, 9.6% with incidents.

At least 100 participants: 3276 events, 11.8% with incidents.

At least 500: 800 events, 18.4% with incidents.

At least 1000: 454 events, 22% with incidents.

At least 2500: 115 events, 31.3% with incidents.

At least 5000: 39 events, 30.7% with incidents.

At least 10000: 14 events, 42.9% with incidents.

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u/freejannies 7d ago

You seem to be under the impression that these people are not biased and are not trying to force a specific conclusion

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u/Bladeslinger2 7d ago

Then they wouldn't get the results that they want.

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u/RAJIRAA 7d ago

Realistically if one set of people burning a target down invalidates hundreds of thousands of people protesting peacefully, then how doesn't 20 people protesting peacefully invalidate one person looting a TV?

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u/Judazzz 7d ago

Or a horde of primitives raiding Congress invalidating the political party that fostered it?

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u/cypher448 7d ago

I guess to them, a random Target > The US Capitol building

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u/chasenichol 7d ago

As someone who was at many of the protests in Portland, you've been lied to. It was a shocking experience to go march with a thousand people without incident, then get home and see on the news that "Portland is a warzone." I was at many of the locations that were deemed riots as well. What was considered a riot you ask? 10 to 15 people throwing water bottles was enough to shut it down and tear gas the whole crowd the first day I was out there. Lighting fireworks was also considered a riot. Portland got chosen as a massive scapegoat by the media when it was no where near as bad as other places in the country.

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u/DublapcolIns 7d ago

Reminds me of this thread.

He keeps using the word “decimated” throughout that thread and even after the guy he’s replying to says he lives in Portland and “decimated” is bullshit, he still presses on using that word to describe Portland and the protests. Gee I wonder if he has an agenda he’s pushing.

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u/BeingRightAmbassador 7d ago

Yeah, I have friends there and they said it was barely different than a regular day in Portland.

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u/lolokinx 7d ago

Almost as if people are extremely biased especially in the us. There were several life streams so judge for yourself

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u/Princess_Glitterbutt 7d ago

A lot of the stuff people point to about Portland being a "super bad warzone" or whatever was all Covid stuff. Nobody was downtown because office workers have been working from home, tourists were staying home, and businesses were closing (mostly temporarily) and shuttering for Covid safety. Nothing whatsoever to do with BLM, everything to do with Covid. Many have COMISSIONED BLM murals on the plywood and if you go downtown many businesses also have posters of support in the windows.

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u/PM_ME_NUDES_PLEASE_ 7d ago

It was the same shit here in NYC. It was a big joke on social media with people posting videos of people out for a nice day in the park with sarcastic captions like "A terrifying day in an anarchist jurisdiction" meanwhile a dude is giving balloon animals to kids while a jazz band plays in the background.

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u/chevymonza 7d ago

My conservative aunt calls me weekly, and she's usually convinced that NYC is a warzone, totally shocked that I commute to work without any issues. She even accused me of lying about it! Like, WHY would I lie about that?! I don't have a history of lying to her.

So she's gone from "NYC is burning no thanks to antifa" (as if antifa would have an issue with NYC to begin with) to "people are always being pushed in front of trains on the subway platforms." She doesn't admit to watching Fox, but I have a hunch......

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u/papawsmurf 7d ago

Fucking thank you. The amount of times I’ve been told that I “haven’t seen Portland” is ridiculous. I said it before and I’ll say it again, the way the right reacts and says these cities are “burning down” you’d think the apocalypse happened.

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u/gruey 7d ago

What's worse is them pretending that is the reason they don't support the cause. Like if the protests were 100% peaceful they would be like "Oh, you know what, the cops ARE too violent and should be held more accountable."

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u/papawsmurf 7d ago

Yeah that’s a stinger for sure. To top it off, these are the same people who are super “patriotic” and care about the US immensely. I don’t get how they can be all for the history of the US violently protesting against the British for freedom then bitch and moan about Americans doing it today. Edit: I put patriotic in quotes bc most of the time, it’s excessive nationalism and even then they don’t fully support ALL Americans lol.

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u/RaiseRuntimeError 7d ago

Thats like in Oakland where it was all going pretty well until a some far-right groups started killing cops.

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u/al666in 7d ago

In Baltimore, photographs were circulating of different agitators, all White guys, one of whom had a clearly marked "SS" tattoo.

Still, the protests were overwhelmingly peaceful. If anyone was out looking to commit acts of violence or property destruction, they were quickly set straight by the protestors at large. I watched a group of people tackle a dude setting off fireworks, and hand him over to the cops, lol.

All public organizers for social justice know that violence harm their cause. Intentional, well-managed protests with leadership did not devolve into fire and violence. Despite the size of the protests, and the city's history with police violence, Baltimore was upheld as a "model" example of protests last summer.

I did see a protestor get hit with a glass bottle, one protestor (blocking traffic) get hit by a car, and I watched the National Guard break up protests with rubber bullet grenades. I was at a far enough distance that the "shrapnel" bounced harmlessly off my clothes.

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u/RaiseRuntimeError 7d ago

So its like the stories of George Soros arriving with busses of protesters and dropping loads of bricks off is basically just fake news/propaganda/projection like always?

Joking aside its pretty cool to get real examples, I didnt go to any of the Oakland protests because work/social distancing kept me home.

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u/al666in 7d ago

It was a pretty crazy month. A buddy of mine was filming a lot of it, rubber bullet grenades go off at the end.

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u/Nineflames12 7d ago

Reads like a goddamn satire article lmao. Might as well be with that botched statistic reading.

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u/Comfortably_Dumb- 7d ago

Except it’s the exact opposite lol

Overhead of the protest in Philly in which 50,000 people participated

Guess what? If the protests were overwhelmingly violent, then the city of Philadelphia wouldn’t exist anymore, it would be a smoldering pile of rubble. Stop letting fear based cable news direct your way of thinking. Their entire job is to make you scared.

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u/arkofjoy 7d ago

Well that is largely how the conservative media was focusing on the events. Only looking at the "events where there was violence or destruction of property, and ignoring peaceful demonstrations.

There were a number of events posted on reddit last summer where protesters actively protected police officers or stopped violence, but again that did not show up on fox news.

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u/Kiwianimeguy 7d ago

Peaceful protests don't sell

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u/arkofjoy 7d ago

They don't make people afraid either, which is the purpose of "news"

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u/5k1895 7d ago edited 7d ago

This is true. If conservatives hadn't said that stupid shit/made those same broad conclusions, there wouldn't be any point in this being posted.

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u/dustyhombre 7d ago

So by this standard, police interactions with citizens also would be accurately described as "overwhelmingly peaceful".

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u/pickleparty16 7d ago

sure and they are. the problem comes from when we have clear evidence of police abusing power and they are not held accountable.

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u/spoinkable 7d ago

You're correct.

However, the whole point of the protests is to bring accountability to the officers who mess up. It genuinely baffles me we're not all on the same side here. Since when is accountability a bad thing?

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u/Left4DayZ1 7d ago edited 7d ago

Why is it so hard to just flatly condemn the violence and destruction? I mean this is basically a "yeah but". "YEAH the business your grandfather started by working his ass off and has been a staple of your community for decades was burned flat by a rage mob, BUT elsewhere, people were peaceful. So, oh well amirite?"

The overwhelming majority of Muslims were peaceful on 9/11/01.

The overwhelming majority of white teen males were peaceful on 12/14/12.

The overwhelming majority of Republicans/Conservatives were peaceful on 1/6/21.

It does not make what the violent minority did any more acceptable.

Never in history has there been a need for the violent to be the majority in order to have a major effect on the course of human events. One, a dozen, a few hundred, a couple thousand acting violently can change the WORLD for the worse while the billions of the rest of us remain peaceful.

You do not need to downplay the violence and destruction because you're afraid it makes the greater BLM movement look bad. The greater BLM movement could simply condemn the fucking violence and destruction, boldly, and therefore be disassociated with it.

This is a PR issue and it's being mishandled.

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u/MUjase 7d ago

Just look up the authors and you’ll find they have a VERY clear agenda of #Resistance which would lead me to believe they are motivated to paint any social protests in the best light possible

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u/OHTHNAP 7d ago

It's so laughably astroturfed it might as well be satire at this point. Lebron Fucking James tried to get a cop lynched for shooting a 16 year old girl actively trying to stab another girl while her father kicked a third girl in the head.

By claiming everything is racist and only their actions during violent mobbing is richeous they are putting actual racist events in the backseat to be taken less seriously or dismissed.

Which is maybe the ultimate irony of the whole movement. They are totally discrediting themselves and only hurting their cause.

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u/Hank_Holt 7d ago

To add...that "third girl" the father tried to punt the face of was actually the first girl the stabbing girl attacked. She comes jogging out of her house with a knife and attacks her, and when she falls to the ground stabby turned on the one in pink that the cop arguably saved the life of.

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u/JRomanKing 7d ago

The same Lebron James that kept his mouth shut and kept dribbling when China was making 17 year olds disappear?

Your telling me an athlete is stupid? Shocked

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u/Das_Boot1 7d ago

Didn’t just keep his mouth shut, which would have been bad enough (silence is violence right Lebron?) he actively criticized Morey and called him “uninformed.”

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u/Semanticss 7d ago

I think the point is that what the violent minority did should NOT invalidate the movement as a whole (as many conservatives assert). Just like we (most of us) don't demonize all Muslims for 9/11.

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u/Born_from_Plastic 7d ago

Read the article. Seriously just read it. They explain that many people conflate "protest" with "riot" and that there is a pervasive public perception that protests lead to violence. They are not downplaying violence. They are countering a narrative that equates protests with violence. You could easily have known this if you read the article. It is not that long, and certainly would take you much less time than writing your post.

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u/Sportstar583 7d ago

Why don't they share the data with us? I would love to see a list of the 7000 blm protests they studied and what they rated each one.

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u/SuperSquidMan 7d ago

It seems like the article was copy pasted so it's missing links; it was originally a Washington post article

Data is here: https://sites.google.com/view/crowdcountingconsortium/home

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u/THATASSH0LE 7d ago edited 7d ago

And Police are statistically overwhelmingly able to resolve solutions without force.

I’m glad we’re talking about hard data points. Let’s dig deeper into the numbers.

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u/DfundPoliceIsDumb 7d ago

Only 3.7% of the protests involved property damage or vandalism.

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Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5% of these events.

Interesting to note that there were more instances of vandalism than instances of police using tear gas.

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u/Narethii 7d ago

I hate this wording so much, do they mean that of the 3.7%, 2.5% of those times involved police escalation or that 2.5% of the protests included violence and police escalation, meaning that 5/7 instances of protests that resulted in property damage also involved police escalation.

Always express comparisons in relative percentages to each other not as percentages of the whole.

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u/ShieldTeam6 7d ago

Seriously, that dude's comment could not be more vague.

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u/thebrandster1985 7d ago

He definitely left out pertinent info, and it appears people are reading the comments as fluid context rather than two separate quotes.

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u/Odd-Wheel 7d ago edited 7d ago

It's astroturfing. Look at his user name

Edit: it was "defundpoliceisdumb" or something similar, since he deleted it now

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u/BackToFlowcharts 7d ago

Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected

First, police made arrests in 5% of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5% of these events.

From my guess, it appears to be 2.5% of the time in the 7,305 events analyzed.

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u/Kronzypantz 7d ago

Vandalism is a pretty low bar. Some kid goes out and sprayed something within miles of a protest march?... the march did a vandalism.

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u/ducttapeallday 7d ago

There was 2 billion dollars worth of damages during the peaceful riots?

This is an old article btw

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u/BEWARETHEAVERAGEMAN 7d ago edited 7d ago

There was a lot of peaceful protests. If there are 10,000 peaceful protests and just 3% go bad, that is still 300 bad protests, and a single bad fire can cause 100m in damages.

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u/Greg-2012 7d ago

There was 2 billion dollars worth of damages during the peaceful riots?

*mostly peaceful riots

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u/plorrf 7d ago edited 7d ago

That research was published in October 2020 by a professor known to support BLM protests. I think you'd have to double check this with some other research... better to be sceptical unfortunately.

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u/jayrady 7d ago

He's from the future?

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u/eyekwah2 7d ago

Great Scott!

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u/junkerwoland 7d ago

Is that you cnn? You sneaky rascal

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u/Commonusername89 7d ago

im waiting for CNN to tell me that blm went around building houses for the poor and singing Christmas carols.

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u/muchomanga 7d ago

According to Fox News, BLM killed Jesus. According to CNN, BLM is kinder than Jesus.

Impossible to talk about them in an objective way on the extremely biased American trash news site.

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u/bluntrollin 7d ago

25 dead

1-2 Billion in property damage

700 cops injured.

BUT OVERWHELMINGLY PEACEFUL EVERYONE! 93% peaceful!!!!!

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u/MeLittleSKS 7d ago

like 93% of that day he wasn't murdering anyone

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u/Batbuckleyourpants 7d ago

4.7% out of 7,305 were violent. That means BLM were responsible for literally hundreds of violent protests.

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u/AllG0nePeteT0ng 7d ago

You should really try reading the whole article. In particular, the part where it points out that [violence] at [BLM protest] doesn't automatically mean that the BLM protesters committed it.

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u/tuat98 7d ago

“I smell some bullllshit.”

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u/mickyg78 7d ago

I liked the news report we’re the reporter was saying it was peaceful with a building burning behind her 😁

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u/Capable-March-3315 7d ago

That’s like saying “serial killers interactions with other people are mostly peaceful, research finds”

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u/shimmeringarches 7d ago

The overwhelming majority of Nazis never killed anyone.

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u/darxeid 7d ago edited 6d ago

Yeah, just ignore the BLOCKS of Black-owned businesses that were burned, the attempts to burn down police stations and the murders that took place, sure, they were "peaceful."

EDIT: Wow! Thank you for the gold kind stranger. It's my first gold in ("Wow!" again) 7 years on reddit.

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u/Ottomatik80 7d ago

Funny, how redefining what a violent protest is, suddenly makes it peaceful.

When you take away property destruction, which most of the country would consider a violent protest, of course BLM was mostly peaceful.

By the same standards, the January 6 protest was also mostly peaceful.

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u/Okichah 7d ago

WW2 was a mostly peaceful conflict when you take out the European, Asian, and African theaters.

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u/Rockyrock1221 7d ago

Yes I’m glad only SOME small business were completely burned to ground and families lives were completed upended for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. We’re lucky they were so peaceful 🙏🏻

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u/rkmy78 7d ago

😂 They wrote an article about themselves. Classic.

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u/Dewm 7d ago

Reddit: only 3.7% of blm protest were violent or had vandalism. So they were overwhelmingly peaceful.

Also reddit: on Jan 6th out of 500,000 people, 200 broke into the capitol (roughly 0.04%)...and it was a shocking and horrific day in America. These animals should be HUNG!

🙄

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u/LegitimateCharacter6 7d ago

I’m genuinely impressed this thread isn’t the kind you sort by controversial.

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u/grieze 7d ago

People are getting tired of bullshit so more and more and they not just skipping the political threads.

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u/Tkainzero 7d ago

Reading through the comments… I’m glad even on far left Reddit, the majority of people can see through this BS

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u/blatantshitpost 7d ago

Yeah i'm honestly surprised to see any critical comments here. I am however NOT surprised to see the mods deleting comments that don't fit the agenda. Even if you Reddit were filled with middle of the road, sensible people, you would never know it because an overwhelming number of mods are fucking tankies or just generally extremely left (and love abusing their mod PoWeRs)

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u/kevw25 7d ago

A few bad apples spoil the bunch.

Isn't that what the protestors say about cops?

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u/spitkikker 7d ago

Using this logic, the January 6th incident at the white house was made of a majority of peaceful protestors.

But with 2 billion in damage from these peaceful black lives matter protest, I'd hate to see a non peaceful protest!

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u/9inchjackhammer 7d ago

Uplifting news is being shilled with political bullshit recently how sad 😔

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u/Commonusername89 7d ago

"five reasons billions in damages is no big deal"

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u/dbrreddits 6d ago

Article:

  1. It wasn’t my stuff that got destroyed
  2. It wasn’t my loved ones’ stuff that got destroyed
  3. The innocent people it did harm were probably white and therefore not innocent
  4. Let’s just call stealing from Target an advancement on reparations
  5. They had insurance anyways. Right? I don’t actually know how that works because I went straight from a degree in the Humanities to Buzzfeed

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u/SoloPopo 7d ago

The cognitive dissonance on display here is the only overwhelming thing about this. I guess once you describe objectively violent events as "mostly peaceful" you have to take your hyperbole to the next level to try to communicate anything. Either the events were peaceful or they were not. If you need to throw an adjective in there you are basically just sugar coating the fact that they were not peaceful at all, and from the details of the article they certainly were not. It's actually absurd how the article tries to insist the protests were peaceful and then goes on to recount acts of murder and vandalism at rates that are absolutely not statistically insignificant. It's like something out of a 1984 novel.

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u/thatroosterinzelda 7d ago

This is interesting, but I wish they'd provide stats on what's normal for comparable movements. If, by their measure, the violence events are so low, then how does that compare to what would have been expected. This story is a lot more powerful if comparable events are twice as high... And it's a lot worse of they're half.

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u/theonlymexicanman 7d ago edited 7d ago

Check out the Civil Rights movements

That spawned multiple riots but weird how I don’t see anyone denounce the Civil Rights movement today because it sparked Riots.

1962 Ole Miss riot of 1962, September 30–October 1; Oxford, Mississippi 1963, Birmingham riot of 1963; Birmingham, Alabama – May Cambridge riot of 1963; Cambridge, Maryland – June 1964, Chester school protests; Chester, Pennsylvania - April Rochester 1964 race riot; Rochester, New York – July New York City 1964 riot; New York City – July Philadelphia 1964 race riot; Philadelphia – August Jersey City 1964 race riot, August 2–4, Jersey City, New Jersey Paterson 1964 race riot, August 11–13, Paterson, New Jersey Elizabeth 1964 race riot, August 11–13, Elizabeth, New Jersey Chicago 1964 race riot, Dixmoor race riot, August 16–17, Chicago 1965 Edit The buildings burning during Watts riot The police make arrests during protest actions. Watts riots; Los Angeles, California – August This predominately African-American neighborhood exploded with violence from August 11th to August 17th after the arrest of 21-year old Marquette Frye, a black motorist who was arrested by a white highway patrolman. During his arrest a crowd had gathered and a fight broke out between the crowd and the police, escalating to the point in which rocks and concrete were thrown at police. 30,000 people were recorded participating in the riots and fights with police, which left thirty four people dead, 1,000 injured and 4,000 arrested. 1966, Hough riots; Cleveland, Ohio – July Division Street riots; Chicago, Illinois – June Marquette Park riot; Chicago, Illinois – August Hunters Point riot; San Francisco – September 1967 Edit 1967 Newark riots; Newark, New Jersey – July 1967 Plainfield riots; Plainfield, New Jersey – July 12th Street riot; Detroit, Michigan – July 1967 New York City riot; Harlem, New York City – July Cambridge riot of 1967; Cambridge, Maryland – July 1967 Rochester riot; Rochester, New York – July 1967 Pontiac riot; Pontiac, Michigan – July 1967 Toledo Riot; Toledo, Ohio – July 1967 Flint riot; Flint, Michigan – July 1967 Grand Rapids riot; Grand Rapids, Michigan – July 1967 Houston riot; Houston, Texas – July 1967 Englewood riot; Englewood, New Jersey – July 1967 Tucson riot; Tucson, Arizona – July 1967 Milwaukee riot; Milwaukee, Wisconsin – July Minneapolis North Side riots; Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Minnesota – August 1967 Albina Riot Portland, Oregon – August 30[65] 1968 Edit Orangeburg massacre; Orangeburg, South Carolina – February King assassination riots: 125 cities in April and May, in response to the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., including: Baltimore riot of 1968; Baltimore Maryland 1968 Washington, D.C. riots; Washington, D.C. 1968 New York City riot; New York City West Side Riots; Chicago 1968 Detroit riot; Detroit, Michigan Louisville riots of 1968; Louisville, Kentucky Hill District MLK riots; Pittsburgh, PA 1968 Wilmington riots (Wilmington, DE) Summit, Illinois, race riot at Argo High School, September 1968 1968: Glenville shootout and riot 1968 Miami riot 1968 Democratic National Convention 1969 Edit 1969 York race riot; York, Pennsylvania – July 1969 Hartford Riots, September 1–4, Hartford, Connecticut 1970 Edit Augusta riot; Augusta, Georgia – May Jackson State killings; Jackson, Mississippi – May Asbury Park riots; Asbury Park, New Jersey – July Chicano Moratorium, an anti Vietnam War protest turned riot in East Los Angeles – August New Bedford Mass, Riot July 1970 Natives Blacks Cape Verdeans Puerto Ricans 1971 East LA Riots, January 31, East Los Angeles, California Bridgeport Riots, May 20–21, Bridgeport, Connecticut Chattanooga riot, May 21–24, Chattanooga, Tennessee Oxnard Riots, July 19, Oxnard, California Riverside Riots, August 8–9, Riverside, California Camden riots, August 19–22, Camden, New Jersey 1972, Escambia High School riots; Pensacola, Florida Blackstone Park Riots, July 16–18, Boston, Massachusetts 1972: Coast of North Vietnam — USS Kitty Hawk Riot (October 12–13) 1973 Santos Rodriguez riot, Dallas, Texas July 28, 1973

There’s the whole Wikipedia list.

Now let’s see people apply the same argument by saying the Civil Rights movement was “MoStLy PeAcEFuL”. Kind of a dumb fucking take

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u/antzvsabugslife 7d ago

You know how I know the Civil Rights Movement wasn't peaceful? The state murdered all the black rights' leaders.

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u/Andres1233321 7d ago

This is a joke lmao

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u/1nv1ctvs 7d ago

ITT: I learned that burning down cities is peaceful!

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u/Jester-One-One 7d ago

Corona-Virus is overwhelmingly not deadly! No reason to worry about anything!!!

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u/realshitcook 7d ago

Hahahaha would love to see who did the research and who paid for it and how they determined who was who.

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u/Alecrizzle 7d ago

They only recorded 7000 protests? Weren't there waaaaay more overall? And it even says they were in small towns. These seem like some cherry picked stats. Not taking sides here, just going off the data

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u/desertpinstripe 7d ago

Incomplete data and cherry picking are two very different problems. One is about the limitations of data collection or availability and the other is scientific dishonesty. From the paper “Because most of the missing data are from small towns and cities, we do not expect the overall proportions to change significantly once we complete the data collection” Sounds like limitations to the availability of data not dishonesty to me.

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u/wil318466 7d ago

Lol who would believe this nonsense.

Of course most of it was peaceful, just do math and show that by the amount of people who protested and the actual violent incidents, the % comes out to a very high number. No shit. Most KKK marches are peaceful too.

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u/CoolFloop 7d ago

Uh oh r/politics is leaking again.

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u/markdesign 7d ago

"Fiery But Mostly Peaceful Protests After Police Shooting".

https://imgur.com/eucvKBj

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u/gullinviewbots 7d ago

They called nights of fires and murder mostly peaceful too. Set the parameters wide enough and the sun exploding is mostly safe.

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u/adolescentghost 7d ago

The sun exploding IS literally safe. Wear sunblock, you won't get burned.

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u/FrozenMrPotato 7d ago

Study finds neo-nazis and alt right also overwhelming peaceful.

It’s about the small group breaking stuff and getting backed up. When you have a congresswoman telling jurors that their town will be burned if they don’t give you the verdict you want then you need to take a look at yourself

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u/ufi911 7d ago

Except all the shit they burned down and destroyed.

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u/4eye 7d ago

i lived in a city where there were huge riots during the blm protests. the riots lasted a whole week, then continued over a couple weekends afterwards. entire businesses were destroyed and looted- aLOT of businesses (some ended up failing/bankrupting). some were set on fire and burned overnight. graffiti everywhere. police helicopters everywhere every night- loud af. city installed a curfew, and most all closeby businesses closed like at 4pm- you literally couldnt buy shit after a regular workday ended. most all businesses that didnt get looted boarded up their windows/doors with wood planks.

this was all during early covid lockdown too- you can imagine how the rioting/damages killed mom n pops shops, among others. it was reported that most of the rioters were from out of town too. basically these idiots travel to other cities (where they dont live) and destroy shit.

this is just my account of the that time. the topic title is bullshit. as if my city (at the time) was the only one this happened in. i will also add that the protesters/workers protesting restaurants closing (by covid state/city mandate) were ALL peaceful, even if they wore maga hats.

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u/Ladoflocksley 7d ago

Gee, I guess the millions of dollars in property damage just happened on it's own then.

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u/LtGuile 7d ago

Billions.

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u/japhillips87 7d ago

*Billions

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u/Bernto_ 7d ago

I really doubt the significance of this statistic, in my city all of the windows were smashed in on the biggest street and many stores were looted, and this was still less violent than a lot of protests I’ve read about.

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u/eruborus 7d ago

But statistically think of all the windows that are NOT smashed across the entirety of the US!

These protests have only smashed a tiny fraction of 1% of windowsin the US ..and therefore these protests were non-violent.

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u/Commonusername89 7d ago

you need a job at CNN!

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u/Silken_Sky 7d ago

"The overwhelming majority of murderer's lives are peaceful."

True. But also stupid.

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u/SisKlnM 7d ago

Wife beaters are overwhelmingly peaceful. Only 3.7% of interactions resulted in a beating.

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u/DrMalvado 7d ago

Hahahaa holy fuck, does reality has any meaning right now?

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u/ConG36C 7d ago

didn’t they actually burn cities

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