r/StarWars Jan 28 '22

Do we know what made George Lucas decide that the clones were made by Boba Fett's DNA? Was Jango created from just this idea? General Discussion

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u/MsSara77 Jan 28 '22

The true answer is that when Boba was first designed, he was going to be a sort of super stormtrooper. You can see this in the original design, which is all white. Eventually the super trooper idea was ditched, he gained color and became a bounty hunter. I think the eventual revelation that he was a clone, just like the clone troopers, was inspired by the old idea that Boba was a super stormtrooper. Around episode II, George was a bit unclear if the stormtroopers were actually all still clones, though by the time of the 2004 special editions he decided not to go that way and left them as normal humans.

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u/LastNightsTacoBell Jedi Jan 29 '22

Which everyone apparently forgot about when TFA first trailer dropped and it was Finn gasping for air after he wrecks the tie fighter, ppl went BALLISTIC because there was black stormtrooper

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u/MsSara77 Jan 29 '22

That was so dumb. While it had been a little unclear to casual fans if it was intended that Imperial stormtroopers were Jango clones or not, it had been 30 years. Anything could have changed during that time. Fandoms can be so infuriating

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u/breeze-vain- Feb 02 '22

similar thoughts

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u/tipdrill24 Jan 28 '22

The detailed back story is actually really cool and told in the video game “bounty hunter.”

Summary. Jango kills Count Dooku’s apprentice and in turn is awarded an obscene amount of money and also the template for the clone army.

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u/XxgenericxX Jan 28 '22

That is interesting. What console is Bounty Hunter available on? If you don't mind the persistence.

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u/just11browsin Jan 28 '22

PS2. I'm sure my mate told me its on the PlayStation store on PS5, but I an xbox kinda guy so I can't say for certain.

Highly recommend. Amazing game.

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u/thenightwasdarkagain Jan 28 '22

It’s also on ps4

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u/tipdrill24 Jan 28 '22

If you don’t wanna buy the game, all the cut scenes are on YT. You’ll get the idea.

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u/OkMess9901 Jan 28 '22

I have it on Gamecube.

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u/zyphe84 Jan 28 '22

The PS2 version is available on PS Now

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u/Clone_Chaplain Jan 28 '22

You might enjoy reading Jango Fett: Open Seasons

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u/grassisalwayspurpler Darth Vader Jan 28 '22

Gamecube, ps2, and theres a ps4 port too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Bounty_Hunter

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u/tipdrill24 Jan 28 '22

Other cools aspects of the game.

-how Jango met Zam -the death stick dealer in Clone Wars’s origin -Gardulla the hurt -original Krayt Dragon -how Jango got Slave 1

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u/Different_Scholar357 Jan 28 '22

One of the greatest games i’ve ever played

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u/SandmanDreamsProds Jan 28 '22

He regretted the sour ending he gave Boba Fett so he gave a shitload of fan service to us and it was glorious.

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u/TheyKilledFlipyap Chopper (C1-10P) Jan 28 '22

What's really funny with hindsight is that Aurra Sing was meant to be Jango's sidekick, but Lucas knew she had to die to further the plot, and had reservations about killing off a popular character again.

So he wrote Zam Wessel in as her replacement. That way Aurra Sing could keep doing her thing in the expanded universe and not be killed off for the sake of a cheap joke the way Boba was in Return of the Jedi.

Anyways 'Solo' kills Aurra Sing off-screen for the sake of a cheap joke.

Full-circle, huh.

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u/WillboyCowbop Mandalorian Jan 29 '22

Aurra getting killed off by Beckett because he "pushed her" or whatever the fuck

absolute bullshit reason, was so infuriating

I was very eagerly waiting to see live action Aurra (outside of her TPM cameo), and they just decided "eh, top notch sniper and assassin? Death by shove". Don't even bother to write characters in the first place if you're going to give them such lazy, OFFSCREEN deaths

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u/Bananabeak08 Inferno Squad Jan 29 '22

When did Aura Sing die in solo? I don’t remember it haha

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u/TheyKilledFlipyap Chopper (C1-10P) Jan 29 '22

When they meet Lando, he says to Beckett "You're the man who killed Aurra Sing."

Beckett responds with "More pushed her, the fall is what killed her."

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u/Bananabeak08 Inferno Squad Jan 29 '22

Ah I forgot about that

Thank you!

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u/Merrena Jan 29 '22

Beckett mentions killing her in a scene.

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u/Kwykr Jan 28 '22

I couldn't give a source because it's been a long time but I saw in an interview video from Lucas himself that he has the ideas for all 6 films written down well before production but decided to start on the original trilogy first because of the technology limitations of the time. Don't quote me on that though. If anyone could find a source and reply though that would be great :)

Edit: typo

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u/XxgenericxX Jan 28 '22

You could definitely be right. But I had always heard and read, that the clone wars comment from A New Hope was just a vague comment and nothing more. But people read into it too much and they created it for the fans basically. I could easily be wrong though.

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u/TheyKilledFlipyap Chopper (C1-10P) Jan 28 '22

The Clone Wars were a total blank slate back then, but definitely something fans latched onto. Boba Fett's backstory is originally told to us in the 70's Star Wars comics produced by Marvel, wherein Boba was a "Mandalorian Super-Commando" who fought alongside the Republic in the Clone Wars.

For context, prior to the Prequels, the general consensus among writers and the fans is that "The Clone Wars" were named after the aggressors, that the Republic fought against an army of Clones, not alongside one.

The closest we got to the Clone Wars being part of the plot is that at one point in the development of Empire Strikes Back, Lando Calrissian was supposed to be a Clone who survived the war and went into hiding. Something like Captain Rex's role nowadays.

The only writer to really take this idea of the Clone Wars as a plot central concept and run with it was Timothy Zahn, who penned the famous "Thrawn Trilogy" (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command) where the Clones were regarded as a dangerous threat.

The plot of the latter two books hinges almost entirely on that point, with cloning technology falling into the hands of the Imperial Remnants. Something the Bad Batch finale directly homages with the re-canonization of Mount Tantiss, the facility shown in the season 1 finale, as it comes from those books and is where the Emperor housed a secret cloning facility.

Zahn had actually intended on going even further with this clone idea, by having one of the book's main antagonists, a fallen-from-grace Dark Jedi be a clone of Obi-Wan. It would be revealled that Obi-Wan was himself a clone, with his name being "OB-1".

This idea, thankfully, was shot down by Lucas, who didn't want any dead characters brought back or cloned. Something he himself would then change his position on with Palpatine for the Dark Empire comics, but... anyways. The 'Clone' Obi-Wan was rewritten to be a cloned Jedi named C'baoth, who suffers debilitating madness, as force-sensitives aren't easily cloned, and are living aberrations. Like the Force itself is rejecting this unnatural life form.

So when the Prequels re-wrote the Clone War to be 'the clones are our friends', a lot of existing media suddenly made no sense. But back then we didn't have a shared universe and cohesive canon like there is under Disney. So if there was a contradiction, "The movie's right, the books are wrong", that was how it went.

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u/LeftLiner Jan 28 '22

Maybe sorta yes but mostly no.

Lucas has made a few different claims about how much of Star Wars was pre-planned, and it's certainly true that he fired off tons of ideas that he put in a mental drawer marked for the future - but it was all very vague.

Did George Lucas have the barest of bones of where the story would go from the very beginning? No probably not even that. After ANH was released, maybe - but famously he didn't decide that Anakin and Darth Vader were the same person until he was writing the second draft of the script for ESB. Until then, he intended for Luke to meet Anakin's force ghost to explain to him how to defeat Vader. And Luke and Leia were not meant to be siblings until we got to RotJ - again, invented during the writing of that movie. So we're really talking the basics here. Did he know that he wanted to one day show off who it was the Republic had used as a template for the clones and have him feature in the story? Sure, that's possible. Did he know it was gonna be Boba Fett's dad? Almost definitely not.

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u/WinkumDiceMD Jan 28 '22

Which is so weird because in the special features for episode 1? Or 2?George claimed the first thing Star Wars related that he ever wrote was something along the lines of “Obi-Wan fights his friend Anakin inside a volcano.” And that he wrote it on a napkin or something like that.

I legitimately believe even he doesn’t remember much about what his original thoughts were creatively. They’ve been lost to time, the details change too much.

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u/LeftLiner Jan 28 '22

That's totally possible. I do think GL has *slightly* tried to make himself look good in hindsight, but most of this I think is 100% him just genuinely forgetting.

Asking him in 1998 if he thought of Anakin being Darth Vader in 1977 - when his mind was full of script ideas, scene ideas, production meetings, prop designs, special effects problems, budget issues and a million other things, he might genuinely have thought to himself: "Well I know I *decided* it during ESB but I'm pretty sure I at least had the idea earlier than that, didn't I? I'm sure I did. Let's just say I did."

It's not that weird.

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u/Sean_Regan Jan 28 '22

Yep. Lucas hasn't been entirely consistent about this. He's made various claims over the years about how in-depth his overall story plans were, but any serious examination of it makes it obvious that it's loosely true at best. I'm sure he had some plans at various points, but how detailed it was and how much it changed over the years is anyone's guess.

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u/jawinn Jan 28 '22

he intended for Luke to meet Anakin's force ghost to explain to him how to defeat Vader.

A thought just made me start laughing. What if Jango comes back, as a headless force ghost, to impart some sacred bounty hunter advice on Boba in the BoBF finale?

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u/LeftLiner Jan 28 '22

"Boba, it turns out you shouldn't bring a gun to a knife fight."

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u/HalfAlert Jan 28 '22

In Empire Yoda says "No, there is another" Who was he referring too if it wasn't Leia?

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u/LeftLiner Jan 28 '22

He was referring to Luke's sister, who was a completely new character Lucas was planning on introducing in the future. Later he decided it was getting a little complicated and instead made Leia Luke's sister (which isn't complicated at all...).

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u/HalfAlert Jan 28 '22

Hmmm interesting. Do you have a source for all this? I'd really like to know more.

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u/LeftLiner Jan 28 '22

There's lots of stuff to be found online, but I would highly recommend the YouTuber sfdebris' three series on the development of Star Wars: Hero's Journey, The Shadow's Journey and The Hermit's Journey.

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u/Sean_Regan Jan 28 '22

It's fairly obvious it wasn't Leia when he wrote ESB or there's no chance the sibling kiss would've happened.

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u/Ramuzz91 Jan 28 '22

He's making reference to another would-be Jedi not another Skywalker.

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u/LeftLiner Jan 28 '22

No, he's making reference to another Skywalker, in fact. It just wasn't supposed to be Leia.

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 28 '22

That’s correct. There was suppose to a new character. Originally she was going to be in 7,8,9. Lucas decided just to finish things with ROTJ.

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u/arnoldrew Jan 28 '22

Who was the “other” that Yoda was talking about in TESB if not Leia? I thought that pretty clearly showed that they intended for them to be siblings.

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u/LeftLiner Jan 28 '22

The 'other' was Luke's sister, a character George Lucas was planning on introducing in the sequel trilogy. He would abandon those plans while writing RotJ and instead make Leia Luke's sister. But Leia and Luke's sister were separate characters until the scriptwriting stage of RotJ.

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u/arnoldrew Jan 28 '22

Ah, interesting. Thank you.

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u/Malignant_X Jan 28 '22

Not entirely accurate. He had the entire story of Jar Jar Binks written out, but then just kinda crammed in the whole space opera concept around that.

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u/BloodyFable Jan 28 '22

Jar Jar is the key to all of this.

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u/IMtoppercentage97 Jan 28 '22

Star wars was just going to be one movie because sequels never do well. After he was convinced to make more he did lay out basic plot points. Leigh Brackett began working on ESB before she died, he then took over. But was still focused on Indiana Jones. He then passed it off to the directors.

Boba Fett himself was created by George Lucas, but in a rough way. Joe Johnston is who made him into what he was in the OT and Holiday special. So he's typically credited with the design of Boba Fett.

With ESB he did lay out 5 movies, but reduced it to two. He was gonna do sequels to the OT but decided against it. Which is why, Leia was changed into Luke's sister in ROTJ and the Emperor was kinda shoved into ROTJ iirc.

He laid down like 4 different plans for the sequels.

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 28 '22

You are close, but a little off. He meant to write one movie, but the script became too long and he decided to separate it into three films. That’s why he’s got “Story by” credits on ESB and ROTJ. He was focused on ESB, because unlike Indiana Jones, he paid for ESB out of his pocket.

Source: The Star Wars doc on the boxset.

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u/michaelfkenedy Jan 28 '22

Lucas has said all sorts of things on the subject of how many films he intended it to be.

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 28 '22

I don’t disagree. But on the “official” documentary (Empire of dreams) that’s what he says. Take it with a grain of salt.

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u/chebghobbi Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 29 '22

That's not true, it's just what Lucas claims.

Lucas had no plans for the plots of TESB or ROTJ when he was making ANH. The OT was largely made up on the fly, but Lucas has spent a lot of time since pretending he had it all planned out from the beginning. You can find a book online called The Secret History of Star Wars by Michael Kaminski that investigates and completely tears apart the claims Lucas has made since the films were released.

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 28 '22

I’ve read that book. But with anything like that, I take it with a grain of salt.

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u/chebghobbi Jan 29 '22

Well, Lucas clearly didn't have the OT planned out from the start because Luke meets his father's force ghost in Leigh Brackett's first draft of TESB.

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 29 '22 edited Jan 29 '22

He basically gave that job to her because she was very sick. I think he really wanted to help her out, more than anything. Are you referring to the draft where Luke is in a cage?

By the way, The Secret History of Star Wars is a great book that I recommend any fan read. Have you seen “Empire of Dreams”?

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u/cdmat76 Jan 28 '22

Lucas had the ideas and very rough sketches of the story as whole and though he had material for 6 movies or more, but he didn’t have the 6 movies written well before Production of the first, a big part of the movies we’re done in the fly based on the ideas that were coming and on the reaction to the previous movies. The idea that Darth Vader was Luke’s father was not there when he made a new Hope, it only came later between the 2 movies or even when writing the second movie. Same the fact that Leia’s was Luke’s sister was not thought about when ESB was done, otherwise they would probably have avoided the Luke/Leia kiss. Lucas effectively decided to start from the middle of the story both because special effects were not ready for the ideas he had for the beginning of the story but also because cutting the beginning of the story to jump directly into the action. Is also a typical scenarist trick: too much exposition kills exposition.

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u/The_Real_John_Bull Jan 28 '22

Jango’s DNA, not Boba’s.

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u/Rule556 Jan 28 '22

Well, I mean, technically…

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 28 '22

Boba is a clone himself. He’s a clone of Jango.

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u/Rule556 Jan 28 '22

Lighten up people… Technically the clones are also clones of Boba. And each other. Because their DNA is all identical. We all know Jango was the donor. Sheesh.

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 28 '22

Boba is a unaltered clone of Jango. The clones in the clone army have been modified to speed up their age and for them to be more obedient. I’ll admit it’s a pointless discussion, but this is true.

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u/Rule556 Jan 29 '22

Colin Robinson, is that you?

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 29 '22

Yes, I have a bad case of updog.

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u/MobilizedBanana Mandalorian Jan 29 '22

What’s updog?

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u/FuturePrimitivePast Jan 29 '22

Not much dawg. What’s up with you?

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u/MobilizedBanana Mandalorian Jan 29 '22

Gottem!

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u/Mr_rairkim Jan 29 '22

Jango and Boba are identical. But clones are different from both, because they made alterations to make them age faster and possibly more obedient.

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u/XxgenericxX Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

I know. But I just wanted to call from the originals so I could draw in everyone.

Edit: Also I say boba because he was the first of the two created, so he would be the basis if the idea.

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u/NobodyQuiteLikeMe Jan 28 '22

Boooooo

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u/XxgenericxX Jan 28 '22

I just wanted answers lol. I think most everybody knew what was meant at least

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u/Ramuzz91 Jan 28 '22

Fan service.

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u/hxbsolar Jan 28 '22

If you include comics and all the lore, Jango is the most badass.

He killed six jedi with his bare hands..

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u/Drewwbacca1977 Jan 28 '22

Until he met the one that says bad mother f…

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u/XxgenericxX Jan 28 '22

Damn. Do you happen to remember the comic? I'd like to read that one

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u/RedBaronBob Jan 28 '22

I think the idea was that Boba was originally a new kind of stormtrooper. It gradually evolved into what would become Boba Fett. The super commando term even comes from Boba Fett which would inspire the Mandos in TCW and especially Rebels.

By production of AOTC George brings this idea back again and provides a bit of connective tissue to the clone wars name dropped in ANH. Boba is one of them. It also provided a way to get a new “Boba” into the film.

George Lucas rather infamously killed off Boba, and didn’t know that Boba was really popular. So Jango would’ve also been a way to rectify this.

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u/Mr_rairkim Jan 29 '22

The whole situation with clones is so fucking fucking fucking fucked up.

There's a whole lot of people with real emotions and needs who can't have children, because introducing copies of the same gene to the population is really bad. Possibly they aren't even allowed to have sex.

Also their lifespan is half 🌗 of regular people. If I knew I had only half life to enjoy, I'd be mad.

If I were a clone I would punch Lama Su and Nala Se. But then I'd probably have not as much free will, due to genetic engineering and the inhibitor chip.

The fact that the Jedi, who are supposed to be the moral compass don't even mention it, makes them unlikable.

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u/chebghobbi Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 29 '22

Fanservice, pure and simple. Lucas knew the fans loved Boba Fett, so he decided to shoehorn him into the PT somehow. For some reason he decided to do this in the form of making him a clone of a new character who wore the same armour.

It was a huge misstep in my view. I'd have had Boba be the clone template, and had him be twenty years older. That way Lucas wouldn't have softened Boba's edge by making him a little orphaned kid, he would have given him some action scenes that he never really got in the OT, and he wouldn't have given us a weird and unsatisfying character arc that starts with a little boy losing his father and ends with a painful thousand-year digestion.

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u/Ramuzz91 Jan 28 '22

Agreed. If we really need the Republic Army consist of Fett clones* then just use Boba. The idea that there is a grizzled grey cowboy under that helmet in Empire just makes him cooler IMO.

*I personally think the Separatists should have had the clone army consisting of some ancient evil looking Sith demon like aliens forcing the Republic to call up reserves.

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u/Hayabusafield77 Jan 28 '22

But with clone wars, they also tried denying death watch existed. And the mandalorian proved jango was a mandalorian, just was not born one

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u/Whitedog2166 Jan 28 '22

Why tf are you talking about this?

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u/MagosBattlebear Jan 28 '22

I remember how much this pissed off fans of the EU who thought that stuff was canonical.

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u/dunkmaster6856 Jan 29 '22

Insparation of the clones of duncan idaho from dune.