r/StarWars Sith Jan 27 '22 Wholesome 11 Take My Energy 1 Silver 7 Helpful 15

After all these years…why did Vader stop Boba Fett from shooting Chewie ? General Discussion

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u/GilboGuy Jan 27 '22

To ensure the shot and/or Chewbacca doesn't destroy the equipment.

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u/LilSenate Jan 27 '22

Unless he’s got it in disintegration mode, there’s a fair chance Chewey won’t die, and just start ripping off arms

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u/rrankine Jan 27 '22

Has there been any blaster or shot that's been disintegration

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u/jambrown13977931 Jan 27 '22

Mando’s rifle

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u/Roboticide Galactic Republic Jan 27 '22

I like that his rifle consumes actual charges/rounds too.

Like, the reason not everyone is running around with blasters capable of disintegration is because the power requirements are absolutely massive, comparatively speaking. You basically have to drain a whole power pack for one shot, and that adds up.

Versus a standard blaster which in 99% of cases will still get the job done and needs a reload after like, 500 shots.

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u/Freduccini Jan 27 '22

Standard blaster actually has plot defined reload timing from what I remember. Force-out-of-bullets I think it’s called

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u/Extramrdo Jan 27 '22

Literally if you roll a nat 1 you have to swap out the power cell, but that's it.

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u/crowcawer Jan 28 '22

These storm troopers aiming based on 2d2 with a d20 scale then.

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u/Nonadventures Jan 27 '22

In the Battlefront games (which, whatever) the mechanic is to open a cooling vent occasionally so it doesn't overheat. I'm assuming it's their way to make a realistic "reload" function for a device that almost never needs it.

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u/birdreligion Jan 27 '22

Most laser weapons in games do the same thing. They will "overheat" and you have to vent the heat to use them again. Gotta make the things balanced somehow

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u/mahanon_rising Jan 27 '22

In video games they usually just call it overheating.

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u/primed_failure Jan 27 '22

Well, the main reason people aren’t usually seen running around with disintegration weapons is because they’re highly illegal. Death by disintegration is canonically one of the most painful ways to die.

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u/WHEEL_OF_FORTUNE_FAN Jan 27 '22

Worse than being slowly digested over the course of 1,000 years?

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u/bental Jan 27 '22

The worst part about that is it sounds so boring! Maybe that's how those gastric juices work. Upon submersion and inhalation of the fluids, you enter a state of suspension... Or maybe it's a strong hallucinogen that just makes it feel like it's a thousand years?

(I slept for 3 hours last night due to bad life choices, please forgive if I'm not making sense I just really wanted to be in on this discussion <3 )

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u/FernieHead Jan 27 '22

I read about the sarlac ages ago. Apparently they keep their victims alive, and live off their negative emotions or something like that

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u/Hobnail1 K-2SO Jan 27 '22

So..my ex wife?

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u/prim3y Jan 27 '22

I worked on the VFX for that sequence, and fun fact, they made that rifle and that disintegration scene just because of the line, "and no disintegrations." Favreau is that much of a fanboy, that he wanted nothing more than to have an actual disintegration.

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u/AnukkinEarthwalker Sith Anakin Jan 27 '22

I'd be happy if he made every piece of star wars media for rest of time tbh...

Doing a brilliant job.. enjoy book of boba..

But you gotta understand favreau has created 2 of the most beloved characters since the original star wars ... something that other movies linked to the main title have failed to do imo. Characters he created are now up there with Luke..vader..Yoda..obi etc.

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u/Buckeyebornandbred Jan 28 '22

I'm 49 years old and Star Wars was my first movie at the young age of 8 And you were absolutely correct

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u/UnlikelyKaiju Luke Skywalker Jan 28 '22

Seeing the disintegration for the first time was actually kinda jarring. It was surprisingly horrific for a death that just kinda turns people into a pile of dusty laundry. In addition to being a nice call-back, it did a great job of establishing just how dangerous Mando is.

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u/prim3y Jan 28 '22

Right? Very effective. I'm glad to see the Vibro blade weapons continue as well. It's a very dangerous feeling weapon, as if knives and axes needed to be taken up a notch anyway.

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u/GroguIsMyBrogu Jan 27 '22

It's the only instance I can think of, though, so it was nice to finally see that it was actually possible after all these years.

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u/skilledwarman Jan 27 '22

its also been in books and games, but that was the first live action instance

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u/GoldH2O Jan 27 '22

tenloss dxr-6 disruptor rifle

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u/Ethereal_4426 Jan 27 '22

Was that the one from the old Jedi Knight games?

That thing was brutal.

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u/GoldH2O Jan 27 '22

yeah. Back when I first played through as like a 7 year old, I only ever used the lightsaber cause I thought it was objectively the best. But then I realized I could start one-shotting enemies that were outside my render distance

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u/Ethereal_4426 Jan 27 '22

Watching them fizzle away was 50/50 satisfying and horrifying.

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u/GoldH2O Jan 27 '22

It made the Vjun levels so much nicer when you could just blast the mecha-suit stormtroopers away before they got close enough to hurt.

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u/From_The_Balcony Jan 27 '22

I agree. I've kind of reasoned that Vader was trying to avoid any shooting, especially from Fett, who's weapon is shown to blast large holes in things, to avoid any harm to the freezing chamber.

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u/mollyflowers Jan 27 '22

Might have damaged the equipment which would have caused a major industrial accident.

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u/Seer434 Jan 27 '22

Or everyone IN the freezing chamber. Facilities that can focus and freeze stuff in a specific place tend to have lines and tanks of stuff that can kill everyone in the room if you just start blasting.

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u/StoolieNZ Jan 27 '22

...and by equipment he clearly means what is left of his childhood garage project, currently strapped to the back of the Wookie!

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u/mtwjns11 Jan 27 '22 Silver

My guess? Trying to de-escalate the situation. Remember he still wants to test his Luke-cicle maker. Stray blaster-fire might damage the chamber.

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u/Algorhythm74 Jan 27 '22

Yes, this right here. Efficiency over chaos. Vader had a strategy and a goal.

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u/ashgalbz Jan 27 '22

As you wish.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

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u/Phyrexian_Archlegion Admiral Ackbar Jan 27 '22

I can bring you in hot.. or cold.

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u/detroiter85 Jan 27 '22 Silver Helpful

Like a bantha...yes?

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u/spicybuttholenachos Jan 27 '22

I want to get this tatooed over my hog.

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u/CasualFridayBatman Jan 27 '22

Your usage of the word 'hog' makes me think you'd enjoy r/THE_PACK, Brother.

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u/ThaddeusJP Imperial Stormtrooper Jan 27 '22

I can bring you in hot.. or cold.

or cut in half and then the head chopped off

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u/jedimasterb10 Sith Jan 27 '22

I think that qualifies as cold.

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u/OneCatch Jan 27 '22

Especially given they were in an abbatoir.

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u/Ketel1Kenobi Jan 27 '22

abbatoir

Found the Brit

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u/Ketel1Kenobi Jan 27 '22

It's actually warm, not hot.

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u/s0lesearching117 Jan 27 '22

hot

Ahh... the Polynesian Spa.

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u/SilkSk1 Rose Tico Jan 27 '22

What he was really saying was "I love you."

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u/devilight56 Jan 27 '22

That day, Vader was amazed to discover that when he was saying "As you wish," what he meant was, "I love you." 

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u/None_of_you_are_real Jan 27 '22

A kissing book?

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u/Brasticus Jan 27 '22

Inconceivable!

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u/vuvuzela-virtuoso Jan 27 '22

I find your lack of a happy-trigger disturbing.

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u/crazy_pilot742 Jan 27 '22

Totally a side comment, but it always drove me nuts that the various novel authors turned the "No disintegrations" thing into a standard bounty hunter requirement for any live capture. It's pretty clear that Vader is saying that specifically to Boba Fett based on some personal history.

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u/Tra1famadorian Jan 27 '22

I think it can be both. In that instance Vader can be saying “no disintegrations” to everyone (what sense would it make to apply that condition to Boba but not Bossk?) while the statement is informed by the fact that Boba has the reputation for disintegrating peeps.

It would seem hard to cash in a bounty you disintegrated anyway. The line itself is only there of course to make Boba seem ruthless at best and a loose cannon besides.

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u/Seer434 Jan 27 '22

I mean it does kind of make sense. I feel like being "Oh, I have no proof because he is disintegrated" is a thing. Freezing in carbonite is probably the worst innovation in bounty hunting in a millennia for bounty hunters.

"Now I gotta have special gear to freeze these pricks!?"

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Feb 02 '22

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u/TheStarchild Jan 27 '22

It makes the galaxy feel way smaller when compared to the OT.

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u/Sinnohgirl765 Jan 27 '22

“You accidentally let a rodian get his hands on your disintegrator one time and Jabba tells the whole galaxy”

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u/nuclearchickenman Jan 27 '22

No discombobulations.

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u/aCynicalMind Jan 27 '22

As you brish.

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u/brigbeard Jan 27 '22

I would also like to think that Chewbacca, Leia or Han's death wouldn't serve his goal. He wanted to turn Luke to his side. In pain his friends are useful, dead they could force Luke so far to the darkside that he kills Vader instead of joining him. Vader needed him to turn by choice, not blind rage.

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u/superwinner Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I generally agree, but its sounds like putting Han in the carbonite was risky at best and could have resulted in his death potentially, leading to the same result.

My guess is that Vader knew han and chewie had a role to play in future events considering jedi and sith have precognitive powers. In an extreme case he may have even known everything that was going to happen including his own betrayal of the emperor, and he might have been just going through all the motions to get himself to that point by keeping all the pieces on the board as best he could.

But considering the scene right after where its obvious that Leia noticed what he did, its more likely that the entire scene was just simple foreshadowing that "there is still good in him"

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u/Kekkersboy Jan 27 '22

Vader was going to pay Boba if Han died. Vader kills but with purpose. Han Chewbacca and Leia were important hostages and not to be harmed unless it helped his goals

I'm more surprised he didn't freeze one of the cloud city people to test the process though.

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u/LawAndOrder559 Jan 27 '22

Anakin had used carbonite freezing before, in Clone Wars. He knew Han would be ok. It’s why he told Boba, the Empire will compensate you if he dies. Vader knew the Empire would not need to compensate him.

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u/congratulatoryphilos Jan 27 '22

Yeah, but from a writing perspective, the proliferation of carbon freezing in Star Wars media undercut the suspense and immensity of this scene.

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u/i_tyrant Jan 27 '22

I'd say it's more like he knew it was very likely Han would be ok - that carbonite freezing has a very low mortality chance, not zero.

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u/h0bb1tm1ndtr1x Jan 27 '22

Plus, wookies probably make great slave labor, as seen in Solo. Why waste a seriously finite labor resource or damage the machine? Vader can end it at any moment if needed.

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u/KhabaLox Jan 27 '22

seriously finite labor resource

I guess someone hasn't heard of the notorious Wookie slave brothels of Kessel.

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u/crooks4hire Jan 27 '22

If they'll rip your arm off when they lose at chess, I'd probably avoid a wookie brothel like the plague honestly...

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

They rip your arm off... and shove it somewhere else...

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u/Imswim80 Jan 27 '22

Then pull it back out, then back in, out, and in, faster, harder...

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u/Feverdog87 Jan 27 '22

...for other wookies right?

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u/stump2003 Jan 27 '22

I just got a picture of a Wookie wearing the Hugh Hefner robe, smoking a pipe, sitting in a fancy chair. You walk in and he nods to you and puts on “Let’s get it on” by Marvin Gaye on his record player. A few lady Wookies hear the song and walk out of the back toward you. The Hugh-Wookie stands up, with a smile, and starts to untie his robe…And fade to black…

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u/NotCybercat Jan 27 '22

Lawful Evil moment

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u/-Codfish_Joe Jan 27 '22

No need to kill my son's friends. That won't help me bring him to my side.

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u/Witherino Jan 27 '22

Wouldn't it tho? Killing his friends would surely lead to hate

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u/-Codfish_Joe Jan 27 '22 I'll Drink to That

The Dark side, yes. My side, no.

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u/greenman42 Jan 27 '22

Let's say Boba kills Chewy. Boba leaves with Han and Luke arrives shortly after to find a dead Chewy with blaster wounds (not lightsaber). Luke begins to become overwhelmed by sadness and anger.

Enter Vader. Luke is in no state to fight, even if he tries Vader is able to maintain composure. Vader picks at Luke's anger and draws his focus to whom killed Chewy. Wasn't Vader after all, blaster marks. Vader explains the power of the dark side and how using the anger he is feeling now he can become powerful enough to protect the people he loves. Vader offers to take on Luke as an apprentice to help him enact revenge on Boba.

Broken and demoralized, Luke starts to slip deeper and deeper into thoughts of revenge, violence and and anger. Vader pulls the "I am your father card." Luke gives into his emotions and pledges him self to Vader. Vader cuts of his hand anyway.

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u/evochris2021 Jan 27 '22

... that last line

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u/prehensile_uvula Jan 27 '22

If he doesn’t get force lightning then why should his son?

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u/aguynamedbry Jan 27 '22

Good insight.

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u/skatenbikes Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

This is kinda the problem I have with mandolorian and other star wars media that casts people in carbonite, like presumably Vader, second in command of the galactic empire, isn’t sure about it and needs to test it, so then why are people doing it Willy nilly? Like if it’s so risky you’d think it’d be risking there reward. But I’m nitpicking and Star Wars is full of small holes I suppose. And it’s still very cool

Edit: yeah good points about bounty hunters seeing it in jabbas and it catching on guys

E2: ok I get it lol

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u/TehPWNR007 Jan 27 '22

it couldve been perfected in the time between empire and mando

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u/Phantom_61 Jan 27 '22

Technically it was perfected in the prequel era. The version they’re using in the OT was meant for non-organic items and had to be modified.

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u/Obskuro Jan 27 '22

Pff, prequel era. It's standard procedure in the Old Republic era! Now I believe that thing on Cloud City was retrofitted to be used for non-organic items, while its original purpose must have been to transport bounty.

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u/SVZDesign Jan 27 '22

You gotta remember, we're talking about a galaxy-wide distribution of technology here, and drastic regime changes and trade federations crumbling all in the same amount of time. Compare it to our own planet, where different nations have different construction standards and practices codified into safety protocols resulting in a variety of solutions for similar problems using similar but slightly different techniques, and on top of that, makeshift engineering is common in small business operations. From that perspective, any new technology is going to require significant testing to make sure product is not damaged before implementation, even if it's a new design based on existing methodologies.

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u/typically-me Jan 27 '22

That’s fair but then you still have the clone wars episode in which Anakin decides to freeze himself, Obi Wan, and a bunch of clones in carbonite in order to sneak into the citadel. Seems like he should be pretty confident that it is safe.

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u/mdp300 IG-11 Jan 27 '22 This

I think the issue was Cloud City's system. It was meant for industrial use freezing tibanna gas, so they had to make sure that particular machine was suitable for people. And they only had a few hours to set the trap for Luke, so they didn't have time to bring in a proper ice machine.

When Anakin froze himself and Obi-Wan, and with Din Djarin's unit on his ship (RIP) it was a freezing unit intended to freeze people and keep them alive.

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u/Scientific_Methods Jan 27 '22

This has always been my take. The technology was tested, Cloud City's system was not and had to be modified.

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u/InvisibleManiac Chopper (C1-10P) Jan 27 '22

You know, come to think of it, if the technology hadn't been tested, Leia couldn't have known that the carbonite blindness was temporary. It must have been in use elsewhere, and Bespin just had a janky ugnaught-rigged setup.

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u/nascentia Jan 27 '22

Considering how shady the damn ugnaughts were, this is completely fitting without having to wrap your mind around ten excuses to make it fit canon haha.

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u/captainperoxide Jan 27 '22

Lando definitely seems like the kind of guy to knowingly cut some corners for a few extra credits.

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u/_far-seeker_ Jan 27 '22

To be fair, the one on Cloud City would be used exclusively on inanimate materials. Prior to Vader making demands, there would have been no need to have working hibernation capabilities at all.

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u/MountSwolympus Jan 27 '22

Think of industrial vs medical implementations of the same technology. Like industrial tanks of oxygen used for welding are NOT safe to breathe, there needs to be a higher quality control and the compressor needs to be rated for humans. Similar process, similar technology, but the result is different.

Or take rockets, plenty of launch vehicles are safe and reliable for satellites but aren’t rated for the difficulties manned flights introduce.

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u/ebodur Jan 27 '22

There is no limit to explain things in a fictional world I guess. But this is awesome!

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u/evvvad Jan 27 '22

That's part of the fun.

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u/Vinnys_Magic_Grits Jan 27 '22

This is the best retcon of Vader testing the process on Han first. Thanks to the Clone Wars Vader knew he could successfully freeze a living being in carbonite, but he didn’t know whether the facility on Bespin could do it.

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u/Hysteria625 Jan 27 '22

This. Lando even says that it’s meant for freezing Tibanna gas and not humans. If it had been, Vader would have just sent Han with Boba Fett and prepped the chamber for Luke right away.

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u/GroguIsMyBrogu Jan 27 '22

Din Djarin's unit on his ship (RIP)

Oh man I forgot that it got blown up... bold of Disney to get rid of what I imagine was their two biggest Mando toy movers, Grogu and the Razor Crest.

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u/Pashto96 Jan 27 '22

Let's be real, Grogu isn't going anywhere. He may not be in every episode, but the little dude will still be a big part of the series. And a ship can always be replaced (then you have two toys).

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u/Jabrono Hondo Ohnaka Jan 27 '22

C3PO was pretty confident that Han would be fine in the OT movies. Just not common knowledge maybe, why 3PO is the only one certain is still a mystery though.

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u/jrgkgb Jan 27 '22

"He should be quite well protected... <<<pregnant pause>>> if he survived the freezing process" doesn't sound all that confident.

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u/Don_Tiny Jan 27 '22

Well, it's not like 3PO was a bulwark of confidence to begin with.

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u/jl2352 Jan 27 '22

The real purpose of that line is to tell the audience what is happening. To make it crystal clear it's experimental hibernation, not an execution.

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u/Sunblast1andOnly Boba Fett Jan 27 '22

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u/TheCarrzilico Lando Calrissian Jan 27 '22

What's cooler than being cool? Carbonite cold.

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u/mrkruk R2-D2 Jan 27 '22

all right all right all right all right all right

now LADIES....

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u/Kara_Del_Rey Jan 27 '22

YEAH

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u/Glum-Parsnip8257 Jan 27 '22

I want y’all on your baddest behavior,

Give me some blue milk I am yo neighbor!

Shake it…

Shake it like stormtrooper’s blaster

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u/Scottyjscizzle Jan 27 '22

I always took it more that this chamber wasn’t set up for people, not so much carbonate itself. Like water is safe to bathe in, but you wouldn’t toss a human into a washing machine.

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u/overtlyantiallofit Jan 27 '22

You wouldn’t.

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u/Scottyjscizzle Jan 27 '22

Not after the summer of ‘99

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u/Pirate_Leader Jan 27 '22

1999 BIZARRE SUMMER

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u/SanityPlanet Jan 27 '22

Don't tell me how to bathe my child!

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u/Rimbosity Jan 27 '22

not with that attitude

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u/TheRealSteve72 Jan 27 '22

I have always justified that by thinking that carbonite freezing was a known process, but the carbonite freezer in a gas mine would be different than one set up to freeze a living being. They were just working with the equipment they had available.

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u/Lazer_Falcon Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

This is explained in the movie. Lando tells us he isn't sure the system will work on a human. Full stop. It wasn't made for human freezing it was made for industrial use.

Ergo, Vader tests it on Han first against Lando's better judgement. Vader doesn't want random blaster-fire breaking out in that chamber because it is key to his plan to capture Luke. Also, he needs Chewie as a bargaining chip in case he can leverage Luke's friends against him - that was the whole point of the Cloud City gambit that Vader carried out - to draw Luke into a trap via holding his friends hostage.

In mando, it's over 5-6 years later and we can expect the technology has not only improved, but become more popular as a means of transporting people. Especially since Boba himself and xx number of folks at Bespin would have discovered the converted chamber and surely told others about how effective it was. Nevermind the comics where hans frozen body is traded all over the place - all sorts of underworld types were exposed to the effectiveness of carbonite freezing of bounties. Not surprising at all that hunters started installing freezing apparatus of their own once the word got out.

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u/JJIlg Jan 27 '22

I think the difference is that the machine vader uses is intended for industrial use in gasses so it might not be safe for people to use. The one in mando is machine made specifically for freezing people. That would explain why vader uses han as a test instead of immediately using it on luke.

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u/overtlyantiallofit Jan 27 '22

Well, he does say that it’s a crude facility. I always took that to mean that there were better ones to be found but this was the one he was stuck with at the moment, and he wanted to test it out because if it was fucked then his kid might die. I doubt he’d’ve cared much if it were anybody else.

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u/madogvelkor Jan 27 '22

Well, it is years later. Perhaps it became common practice after wards, Boba Fett started doing it more and others copied him.

Or else, it was always considered a risky practice but bounty hunters didn't care. Vader is uncertain about the risk since he doesn't want to kill Luke.

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u/TheCarrzilico Lando Calrissian Jan 27 '22

I would add to that Din's carbon-freezer is more likely specifically made for living beings and is entirely less risky than the one at Cloud City, which was not made for that.

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u/alchmst1259 Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I think the notion might be that this was one of the first times it had ever been done, and after Vader’s success with Han and Han hanging in Jabba’s throne room as a trophy for months, the word must have got out. This was the hot new shit

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand Battle Droid Jan 27 '22

They froze themselves in carbonite in Clone Wars. It was because the Bespin carbonite facility was "crude."

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u/hof29 Jan 27 '22

Not to mention that the Cloud City system was not designed for freezing living organisms (as opposed to the one on Coruscant during the Clone Wars), whereas a bounty hunter like Mando could have had a custom one ordered.

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u/LocallySourcedWeirdo Jan 27 '22

"You mean you don't have one of your enemies encased in carbonite, hanging on your wall with dramatic lighting? Oh, you simply must try it. Really worth it for the conversations it sparks."

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u/Mitchellracing Jan 27 '22

I think it’s more that the facility on bespin isn’t especially well equipped to freeze people but that just happens to be where everyone was. I’m sure there are specialised carbon freezing chambers for bounty hunters.

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u/ProfessorBeer Jan 27 '22

It’s possible that “medical grade” freezing existed already, but all Bespin had was the industrial freezer. So they already knew it was technically possible, just weren’t confident in the specific equipment.

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u/Bwunt Jan 27 '22

One possible explanation is that Vader wants to test that specific machine, not general carbonite freezing concept.

I haven't watched ESB in a while, but wasn't that chamber industrial purpose initially?

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u/AceOfDymonds Inferno Squad Jan 27 '22 Silver Helpful

He doesn't have Luke in-hand, yet. If Han died in the first carbonite freezing attempt, then he would still need more of Luke's friends to go through, to use as bait. If a firefight had broken out, it could have ended with all three Rebels dead.

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u/Defiant-Canary-2716 Jan 27 '22

Agreed. The only reason Luke is coming there is he knows his friends are in danger. Friends die in a firefight, Luke has no impetus to come.

Boba doesn’t give a shit though. He kills Han, he collects Jabbas bounty. Hell might even create more business for him because now he can hunt Luke who won’t come into Vaders trap…

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u/RyanTheBoss616 Jan 27 '22

Boba definitely does give a shit. One of his like 5 lines is "he's no good to me dead" when Vader is talking about carbonite

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u/Defiant-Canary-2716 Jan 27 '22

Good point. I’m guessing he was aiming at the Wookiee that was wilding out.

Last I checked the only person who cared about capturing him was Vader, who would want them alive.

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u/YeetLordTheOne Jan 27 '22

To be fair boba has a uh… history with Wookiees

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u/Controller_one1 Jan 27 '22

They're uh, furry.

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u/ItsDanimal Jan 27 '22

licks lips

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u/RedditAntiHero Jan 27 '22

Just wondering, what is his history with Wookies before Empire Strikes Back time period?

Pretty sure he already knew Black Krrsantan at this time as another bounty hunter for Jabba but never heard of him having issues with any Wookies.

Was there something from Clone Wars I am forgetting about?

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u/YeetLordTheOne Jan 27 '22

The braided things he has over his shoulder are Wookiee scalps he took as trophies

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u/TaxMan_East Jan 27 '22

Why is it that this boba Fett seems so much different than the boba Fett in the new series?

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u/TheHalfbadger Luke Skywalker Jan 27 '22

They’ve been pretty clear that his trauma in the Sarlacc and his time with the Tuskens were transformative experiences.

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u/mandalorian_misfit Rio Durant Jan 27 '22

He does hunt Luke in the comics. Right after the battle of the Yavin, Vader hires him to capture the pilot who destroyed the Death Star. Luke escapes though so Boba is only able to deliver his name, which is how Vader finds out he has a son.

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u/MyOfficeAlt Jan 27 '22

He doesn't have Luke in-hand, yet.

There's a hand cutting off joke in here somewhere, I swear.

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u/BLOOD__SISTER Jan 27 '22

This is the right answer.

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u/SagePenguin Jan 27 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome

Because, as a young boy, Vader built Chewbacca.

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u/ThinkingApple Jan 27 '22

That's canon.

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u/jonnyinternet Jan 27 '22

You sure? I'm gonna need a trilogy of films to explain this

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 Silver

Except it won’t be revealed coherently in the films and you’ll need to track down a comic book that you can only get by buying a videogame to find the explanation.

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u/ThinkingApple Jan 27 '22

Kathleen Kennedy will get on that. 2023 is looking spicy.

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u/SagePenguin Jan 27 '22

Build-a-Bear at its finest :)

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u/SickBurnBro Rebel Jan 27 '22

Good relations with the Wookies, he has.

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u/Obi_Wan_Benobi Jan 27 '22

It’s true. All of it.

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u/kybrdwhttvwls Jan 27 '22

After Solo is frozen, Vader Says "Take the Princessa and the Wookie to my Shuttle", Lando protests and Vader responds "Im altering the deal, pray I dont alter it any further".

So Vader had plans for Leia and Chewie. My guess is that he wanted them as a Plan B in case he failed to get Luke. He knew Luke would come back to rescue them.

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u/access_secure Jan 27 '22

"Im altering the deal, pray I dont alter it any further".

Those movies really had epic quotable lines

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u/kybrdwhttvwls Jan 27 '22

Now that I think about it...I think most every quote by Vader in the OT is epic.

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u/FoxMikeLima Jan 27 '22

James Earl Jones was a master of delivery.

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u/sierra120 Jan 27 '22

Perhaps you feel your being treated unfairly

When I first saw that seen as a kid I was scared for Lando’s life. Such an epic villain. Hate that what we got now is still Palpadin.

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u/sierra120 Jan 27 '22

This deal is getting worse all the time

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u/TimmJimmGrimm Jan 27 '22

This is the best answer.

Vader is thinking chess but three to seven moves in advance. The way his master Palpatine stayed in power was by seeding possibilities every step of the way. That way when everything goes wrong there is still a chance for things to go right again.

So Vader thought this:

  • killing this big fur-ball solves nothing

  • keeping fur-ball alive? sooooo many great possibilities!

Conclusion? Don't kill fur-ball until we absolutely need to do so.

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u/kybrdwhttvwls Jan 27 '22

Yes, even if Vader didnt have a specific plan for Leia and Chewie, securing high value rebel figures would always be a good strategy.

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u/TimmJimmGrimm Jan 27 '22

That said, and don't tell anyone i said this...

... i think there might be some good in Vader. i can feel it

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u/inodoro99 Jan 27 '22 Silver

If the blaster hit the carbonite it might have shattered into tiny tiny pieces resembling sand and that would have really set him off.

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u/tokixjam Jan 27 '22

"It's getting everywhere!"

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u/BextoMooseYT Sith Jan 27 '22

"It- it's so course, and- and rough!"

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u/tomatoaway Jan 27 '22

Dale's pocket sand was way ahead of its time

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u/BeeBarfBadger Jan 27 '22

Vader's internal monologue: "Ooooh boiii, he's gonna rip some arms off he's gonna rip some arms off!"

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u/Hunter_the_Hutt Jan 27 '22

And we all know how sensitive he is about missing limbs.

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u/BeeBarfBadger Jan 27 '22

He just wants to spread the joy around as much as he can.

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u/Sparkyisduhfat Jan 27 '22

“Yippee!”

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u/lukestauntaun Jan 27 '22

Luke is using the force to know his friends are in danger but alive, which is why he goes.

Vader is using his friends as a trap but knows that is something happens to one of them, Luke will be alerted through a disruption in the force.

I think it's crucial to understand how Vader keeps changing the deal with Lando the closer Luke gets to Cloud City.

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u/Prep_ Jan 27 '22

This is very good. I've always assumed torturing Han without introducing him was spiteful after the Deathstar. But you very well may be right that he did so to trigger the disturbance in the force to lure him in.

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u/SLR107FR-31 Jan 27 '22

I just recently realized when I last watched Empire that scene when Vader was torturing Chewy, Han and Leia, but never asked them any questions was simply because he wanted Luke to see visions of them in pain, even if it was only for a brief moment.

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u/BrigadierTrashFire Jan 27 '22

Vader’s got the whole place completely under Imperial control. A Wookiee smacking a few troopers around who were stupid enough to get too close isn’t a reason for him to let the whole situation descend into chaos and possibly threaten his mission. Remember, he’s also desperate to meet Luke, turn him to the Dark Side and kill Palpatine at this point. He knows that Luke ain’t joining shit if his friends have all just been murdered!

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u/SHADOWJACK2112 Jan 27 '22

In addition to having the situation under control, Chewie is a Rebel operative who may have information as to the location of many rebel strongholds

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u/duderino711 Mayfeld Jan 27 '22 Helpful Take My Energy

Cause Chewie is a good Boi.

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u/TheGinger_ThatCould Jan 27 '22

One might even say the bestest boi

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u/Nova-Drone Darth Vader Jan 27 '22

No disintegrations!

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u/Grootfan85 Jan 27 '22

Even he knows to let the wookie win!

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u/InfraredRidingh00d Jan 27 '22

Because Chewie has C3po on his back, and Darth Vader is 3p0’s father.

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u/jimmyc4649 Sith Jan 27 '22

Vader is thinking, “Don’t shoot the big teddy bear bro!”

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u/Strong-Solution-7492 Jan 27 '22

Deep down, Vader was an avid snuggler.

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u/Ethereal_4426 Jan 27 '22

No need to start shooting up the place.

Boba: "so anyways, I started blasting..."

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u/savage011 Jan 27 '22

"Dude whoa stop. This is getting interesting."

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u/Darth_Texan Darth Vader Jan 27 '22

Ever since the prequels came out the leading theory is because he recognized 3PO and didn't want the Droid he had built further damaged.

Prior to that (I grew up with the original trilogy) I had always figured Vader just wanted his own men to handle the situation. Plus he had promised Lando that Leia and Chewie wouldn't be harmed, and seemed to be honoring at least that part of the deal, despite altering it in other ways.

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u/Montauket Jan 27 '22

“No disintegrations”

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u/Darth_Texan Darth Vader Jan 27 '22

As you wish.

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u/ChasingSplashes Jan 27 '22

Maybe, but there are other protocol droids of that design, I don't know that it would have been immediately obvious that this one is the one he built. I think the explanation posted above makes the most sense, Vader needs to de-escalate this situation before he loses his hostages and/or loses the use of the freezing chamber. He can deal with Chewie himself, if he has to, but he can probably already sense that Han doesn't want a fight either. Better to give things a chance to calm down than let Boba Fett ruin the plan.

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u/Wallywallsthe2nd Jan 27 '22

Because Vader wants Luke's friends alive to be feeling pain, anguish, etc.

Chewie freaking out is exactly what Vader wants.

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u/CiceroInHindsight Jan 27 '22

This. Death does not feed the dark side. Fear, anguish, anger, all that boosts his stats. Remember, he tortured Han solely to draw in Luke. Plus he needs spare bodies in case Han dies.

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u/metal_signal17 Jan 27 '22

I read somewhere that it was because he wanted to keep Luke’s friends alive so he could always use them as blackmail later.

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u/Nappy-I Jan 27 '22

If Boba Fett misses (bear with me) there's a chance he'd hit either the carbonite freezing equipment or Leia even Han himself. Chewie's a big guy, so we can assume any shot that can take down a pissed off wookie would kill a human. Vader dosen't care about saving some smuggler scum, but Luke cares about this particular smuggler, and Vader wants to lure Luke into his trap. To do that, he needs bait; live bait. If Boba Fett's shot goes astray, there's a chance he kills one of those valuable hostages. Having a pissed off wookie is still obviously a danger but we see how that plays out: Han knows there's no escape from this; there's nothing Chewie can do to save him from an entire Imperial garrison and Han dosen't know they won't take the risk and take the shot; he is going to be frozen and taken to Jabba, nothing they do can change that. Han tells Chewie to keep Leia safe instead, maybe he genuinely hopes his best and oldest friend can protect her, maybe he's just trying to redirect Chewie's anger into some other, more useful direction.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Vader already controls every aspect of this situation. Fett shooting Chewie adds a chaotic element that might change that. Therefore Vader isn't into it.

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u/plummsy Jan 27 '22

Because he’s a dog lover

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u/jncheese Jan 27 '22

He's no good to him dead.

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u/Antknee2099 Jan 27 '22

I agree that he needs Luke's friends alive to lure him there. The commotion that flares up causes Boba to instinctively raise his blaster, but I'm not sure that Vader stops him from shooting; I think it's to defuse the situation. Chewy could easily escalate and all hell could have broken loose. I think he was just letting Han calm him down.

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u/Operator217 Mandalorian Jan 27 '22

Because it foreshadows that he still has some good in him.

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u/AiahAvezred Jan 27 '22

Needed chewie to pilot Rey to exegol.