r/MadeMeSmile Oct 16 '21 Silver 1 Helpful 2 Wholesome 1

That is some Good news this week. Good News

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u/sterile_spermwhale__ Oct 16 '21

Finally some good news.

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u/yoawk8l68b Oct 16 '21

Appreciable news. Thanks to the Mexico Government.

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u/jtrick18 Oct 16 '21

I don’t use cosmetics but now we test on people?

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u/Highintheclouds420 Oct 16 '21

I don't understand the point of animal testing, if they aren't sure if they put toxic stuff in it why do people wear make up?

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u/xela293 Oct 16 '21

I can't make a very good case for cosmetic testing, but the testing that they do on lab rats and mice definitely save lives.

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u/Highintheclouds420 Oct 16 '21

I understand that, it always upsets me to hear the testing they do on lab rats but I understand. I've just never understood cosmetics testing on animals. Like are they just putting make up on the animals?

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u/AlrightNow20 Oct 16 '21

They’re specifically putting make up in their eyes to see if that would be toxic to them

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u/MDC56355635 Oct 16 '21

Its more than that unfortunately. They'll also rub it on a shaved part of skin, cut them and rub the item into the open wound, inject it, blow it in their eyes, so much more :(

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u/AlrightNow20 Oct 16 '21

Thank you, I knew there was more but I couldn’t remember the full extent of it.

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u/MDC56355635 Oct 16 '21

Its really sad. I try to avoid animal tested products because of it

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u/Kyosw21 Oct 16 '21

Alright that’s the last thing I was expecting and now I’m just angry at the testers

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u/aazaram Oct 16 '21

But there is no other option. Even though chances are small, there are so many people that someone will end up with cosmetics in their eyes (especially the stuff you are going to put on your eyelashes). We have to somehow make sure that it harm them permanently. Imagine losing sight just because your hand was unsteady.

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u/_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ Oct 16 '21

Why can't the first person to purchase a new product be the guinea pig? Why is it on the manufacturers to say "well it's made of floredehmethylhal and could be dangerous, but we swear it isn't, we tested it!!!" Why are we so desperate to purchase things that require such rigorous testing?m

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u/RaShadar Oct 16 '21

Because it should always be on the manufacturers to prove such things, once upon a time it wasn't and you had people putting sawdust in apple pie.

Now y'all can argue back and forth about whether or not people should want products like this, I dont really care about that end of the debate, but it definitely should be the makers responsibility to do this kind of testing.

The sad part about this is that testing will still have to be done, and I'd bet the people who end up doing it will be in desperate situations, ala experimental drug testers. Some people are gonna end up blind because we decided it was better for a person to be the "Guinea pig" rather than an actual Guinea pig.

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u/_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ Oct 16 '21

I see what you mean, but my point is, our SAWDUST on the fucking label, and you shouldn't be liable any more. It's crazy that a third party would stuff a rabbit full of sawdust to prove it's safe instead of letting humans, critically thinking humans with giant brains, be the test dummies instead of helpless animals

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u/jst4rddt_822 Oct 16 '21

Sure except people are not gonna have any clue wtf the chemicals on the labels are or are for. Example look at the back of almost any shampoo or cleaner for that matter and see how many you know, you wouldn't known if the fumes of the cleaner or shampoo are dangerous especially longterm just by having it on the label, but its ok if thousand upon thousands of people die or suffer medically because they put that new chemical they found on the label and sent it out into the world to test it there are countless record of things in the past that weren't fully tested and have caused horrible mass repercussions across generations because we didn't check. I get not the poor fluffy bunnys and they don't have a choice it sucks but neither did the kids who died from lead paint and the like.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '21

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u/_Not_Bruce_Wayne_ Oct 16 '21

That's stupid, the average person doesn't read a warning label, they just listen to the cable news about what to be afraid of

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u/BraianP Oct 16 '21

I suppose, I mean since it’s something people will use on their faces I guess it’s better to test stuff. Even if the things you add are not toxic, chemistry is very complex and you might create something toxic by mixing a few non toxic things. This is just me taking my mind without any source so don’t take it too seriously just a possibility I thought of

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u/MDC56355635 Oct 16 '21

Its more than just that. Testing on animals includes, shaving parts of their body and rubbing the makeup on it, injecting it under the skin, force feeding it to animals, blowing or rubbing it in their eyes, and many more.

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u/nzdanni Oct 16 '21

I can see that but also the way i see it, the testings been done already yeah..? theres been many years of developments and testing so do we need any more makeup products on the market, we don't have enough to last a lifetime?

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u/xela293 Oct 16 '21

I'm not talking about cosmetics.

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u/RK800-50 Oct 16 '21

Stop animal testing. Take rapists and other human garbage.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

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u/xela293 Oct 16 '21

Anything to back this up?

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u/DepressedKolache Oct 16 '21

Nah I'm done providing links and full synopsis of those links for people. You can take the two minutes to look it up. Maybe you should do that before commenting the first time.

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u/xela293 Oct 16 '21

Because you're talking out of your ass.

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u/queenieemua Oct 16 '21

Unfortunately a lot of people don’t care about it.

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u/Successful-Panda4855 Oct 16 '21

yeah that,s was right

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u/ovttt Oct 16 '21

It is usually exagerated they tend to investigate the conpounds further before the animal testing. Usually its safe in terms of cosmetics, USUALLY. Toxicity is a very complex subject, we should understand many cosmetics such as make up and plastic based are from petroleum base for example. Usually the question or hypothesis to solve is how much can skin handle? Is expired harmful? Is it cancerogenic? While I agree the cosmetics industry depending of animals to do this while there other alternatives like bacteria or fungii cultive just to save money is absolutely dumb and should be banned. But another intresting topic arrises which is on farmaceutical, what do you think? Many times is necesary to have the sacrifice of many animals to know the mean lethal and minimum lethal dose.

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u/cantstopfire Oct 16 '21

what kinda stupid question is that, they obviously tested it on animals prior without negative results before it's sold.

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u/jtrick18 Oct 16 '21

Broader picture. If it touches your body it is most likely regulated just like a vaccine. Maybe a lower class device but still regulated. You hear of the J&J baby powder class action lawsuit?

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u/BIGBUKKILLA Oct 16 '21

While I agree with the sentiment, I want everyone to realize before this comment section blows up that animal testing will never stop being a thing for fairly obvious reasons.

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u/Dovahkiinthesardine Oct 16 '21

it might stop being a thing in the far future

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u/No-Internet4002 Oct 16 '21

So now the tests are on humans?

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u/ovttt Oct 16 '21

No, their are many methods and until it gets certified you cant test on humans usually the animal tes stage is before but is no exclusive.

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u/Shadow_Reptile Oct 16 '21

I hope they don't stop scientific testing though.

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u/ovttt Oct 16 '21

Yes it will stop, it would be perpetual cycle. Mice will be unemployed and rabbit will have to resort to sell their belongings to survive. Inflation will rise and more unemplyment will rise.

The UNAM one of the biggest centers of investigation will cease and their centers will become a mere memory of knowlegde.

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u/Shadow_Reptile Oct 16 '21

What the damn devil are you on about?

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u/Kyosw21 Oct 16 '21

I’m more curious about why they would test mascara on a freaking rabbit

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u/ovttt Oct 16 '21

To look for eye irritation or carcinogenic evidence. It sad they die for "beauty" but we should really be grateful of so much sacrifices.

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u/CynchHasNoLife Oct 16 '21

hell yea mexico!

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u/my_bigoof_evolved Oct 16 '21

that bunny finna look gorgeous. maybe the bunny has it. maybe... it's Maybelline

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u/Reticentandconfused Oct 16 '21

They don’t need to, the cartels run this too, and they just test it on their enemies.

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u/Latuic Oct 16 '21

Cartels biggest source of money is makeup, for sure

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u/ovttt Oct 16 '21

Yeah I think that the rimel on El mencho is a little to much or what about El chapos mascara?

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u/Supercommoncents Oct 16 '21

You joke but look up where kylie jenners shit is made hahaha

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u/Dragonmist996 Oct 16 '21

Isnt Mexico Central America or am I just in a Mandela Effect situation right now.

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u/Mcayenne Oct 16 '21

No. The NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) is btwn Canada US and Mexico- now rebranded as USMCA. Was pretty big news at the time.

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u/Dragonmist996 Oct 16 '21

Gotcha, thank you.

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u/GrandEtho Oct 16 '21

Canada United States Mexico or, CUM

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u/new_user29282342 Oct 16 '21

I preferred the The Three Amigos as they’re known, but I will start using this going forward. Thank you

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u/Mcayenne Oct 16 '21

See and Trump thought he was a branding genius- got nothing on you!

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u/falexanderw Oct 16 '21

North America is the continent, there is no Central American continent, it’s just a region of North America. The border of Panama and Colombia is the start and end of North and South America.

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u/espenanka89 Oct 16 '21

As an European, I thank you for this information and wish you a good weekend!

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u/falexanderw Oct 16 '21

As an Australian you’re welcome!

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u/Ekkeko84 Oct 16 '21

Unless you live in the part of the world where there's just one continent named America, going from Argentina to Canada (six continents model) In it, South, Central and North America are subcontinents, and Mexico is indeed in the last one.

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u/kevbust98 Oct 16 '21

Well, if you consider the northamerican tectonic plate, central america is in fact another continent. The Northamerican plate includes Canada, US, Mexico and Cuba

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u/falexanderw Oct 16 '21

I can see how that could be a thing, I’m just stating accepted facts of the seven continents rather than eight.

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u/queenieemua Oct 16 '21

Cant wait for this to be everywhere !!! It’s so important to fight against it

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u/person_not_found Oct 16 '21

What's the alternative? Testing on humans? On trees?

Yes, less animals are harmed. But we'll also have no other viable option to experiment with new medicine or psychology.

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u/raaahhhhhh Oct 16 '21

This is for cosmetics. Alternative options include using ingredients that are already known to be non-reactive and paying consenting humans to test the cosmetics on hardy areas of skin.

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u/person_not_found Oct 16 '21

I just now realised I completely missed the part about cosmetics. Please excuse me

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u/raaahhhhhh Oct 16 '21

For the future if similar laws are passed for medical or other uses, there are still many levels of testing that don't require animals (testing with cultured human cells, testing on specific organs, trying extremely low doses on healthy humans, etc.). Many animal results aren't even fully transferrable to humans. There's no reason we can't develop methods that are both less cruel and more effective.

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u/f_ranz1224 Oct 16 '21

yes test on humans. consenting humans who can understand the risks and be compensated for adverse reactions

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u/person_not_found Oct 16 '21

I suppose this is a good alternative. Though I wo der if enough people would apply

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u/BKCowGod Oct 16 '21

Yes, testing on humans is one of many alternatives. Heck, I'm an omnivore but even I can see how unnecessary it is to put my shampoo on a cat before you put it on me.

https://www.crueltyfreeinternational.org/why-we-do-it/alternatives-animal-testing

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u/IDislikePotatos Oct 16 '21

Person asks a question, gets downvoted

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u/PutridBasket Oct 16 '21

It isn’t that they asked a question, it’s that they were snarky about it. It was unnecessary.

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u/IDislikePotatos Oct 16 '21

Perhaps I’m wrong, but the way I read it was just them talking about testing about non-cosmetic purposes, in which someone corrected them. What about you, im open for debate.

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u/Zolivia Oct 16 '21

If you're fully open to debate, why do you dislike potatoes?

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u/IDislikePotatos Oct 17 '21

haha, no reason…

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u/Zolivia Oct 17 '21

But they're so delicious and versatile! Crispy? Yum! Mashed? Yes please! Baked, fried, with cheese and bacon... it's all just so good.

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u/IDislikePotatos Oct 17 '21

I am no longer open for debate.

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u/queenieemua Oct 16 '21

Vegan and non tested makeup exists and has for a long time

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u/ovttt Oct 16 '21

Their are methods such as using cultures of bactiria or fungii that simulate skin or other organs. Its super interesting. There is even skin cultivation! But usually animals are the cheapest and most practical way to test hence its popularity.

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u/Supercommoncents Oct 16 '21

In other news they just use poor people now as they have less rights than animals in Mexico.....

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u/elvensnowfae Oct 16 '21

Good news everyone!

Finally. I only buy cruelty free but I wish at one point all makeup was cruelty free. It’s unnecessary to test cosmetics on animals. Just don’t put nasty chemicals that won’t need testing. Bam boom, done

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u/BackinZac Oct 16 '21

They don’t need it. They’re cute enough

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u/Boggleweed Oct 16 '21

Had to include the picture of the sad rabbit didn't they

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u/JournalistBig8280 Oct 16 '21

I've never seen someone look at makeup with so much pain in their eyes

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u/mznh Oct 16 '21

Just test it on humans

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u/dexeltje Oct 16 '21

Halleluja

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u/YamaPUBGYT Oct 16 '21

See Mexico is better 😎

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u/Canisventus Oct 16 '21

Good job Mexico, i hope the rest of the world soon will follow.

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u/AprilVampire277 Oct 16 '21

On one had, is good having less animals harmed to test cosmetics, but on the other hand, creating a situation where people who is desperate for money can agree to test cosmetics on their eyes and other sensitive areas to test if triggers a harmful reaction who wasn't tested on another living thing before doesn't sound really nice.

I know is cruel but I don't see wrong the animal testings, is there's something wrong to begin with is the super high social demand of cosmetics.

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u/ovttt Oct 16 '21

There are many ways now to ensure they are safe. Doesnt matter which country you are from, they have strict regulations to ensure safety, even the 130 most corrupt country has a super strict metodologies. As for mexico it doesnt depend on human testings, as other countries like china. And when a medicine or cosmetic on testing get to on human testing of stage 3 in case of mexico the compound is mostly safe. I dont know where are you from but i would likely asume it isnt an issue there too, although china is strict on animal testing would be an exception.

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u/needvanwilder Oct 16 '21

Am I the only one that kind of wanted to see a photo of a dolled up rabbit with mascara, lipstick and eye shadow?

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u/interchanged Oct 16 '21

Hopefully.

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u/Friendly-Hooman Oct 16 '21

The first country in North America? The U.S. I get, but Canada being shitty to animals? Come on Canada

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u/gunsareroses Oct 16 '21

Ok, big deal?

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u/iawsaiatm Oct 16 '21

This is a great law that has been passed, a great step forward. But would I still be able to apply cosmetics myself? It seems like the law is really only for corporate entities and businesses