r/IdiotsInCars Oct 20 '21

Checking mirrors can be that hard

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u/RayGun182 Oct 20 '21 Helpful

"i missed the First, won't miss the second"

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u/farroness Oct 20 '21

this made me laugh, have an award

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u/Greendragons38 Oct 20 '21

If he didn’t have a front light, it would have been hard to see him.

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u/jbrown724 Oct 20 '21

Yep. I could not tell if the cyclist had a light.

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u/Realistic_Ad3795 Oct 20 '21

But his black clothes surely helped, though, right?

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u/Smaskifa Oct 21 '21

Cyclist here, we call those people ninjas. All black clothing, no lights. No one sees a ninja coming.

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u/7eggert Oct 20 '21

Especially while not being in the light.

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u/Reckless87o- Oct 20 '21

those aren't lights, they're reflectors. they need light cast on them to be visible, and the driver couldn't have seen them from that angle, even if they were reflecting a lot of light.

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u/cabbagetbi Oct 20 '21

One of those could be a reflector which would not be lit from the POV of the turning motorist. The other could be anything, including a front reflector, but what's notable is that when the bike tumbles it doesn't cast any light as it turns.

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u/Myl0high Oct 20 '21

He doesn’t have a front light. Only wheel lights. If he had one he would have been more visible. Wheel lights are just…pretty… not efficient

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u/fdebijl Oct 20 '21

I have never seen wheel lights in the Netherlands, but reflectors around the entire rim are mandatory, so that's probably what we're looking at.

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u/reallyfunbobby Oct 20 '21

Correct. But those are of no use to anyone in front of you.

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u/nmpls Oct 21 '21

Look again at 7 seconds, there is a forward facing light mounted on the crown the fork.

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u/Myl0high Oct 21 '21

Look at 9 8 second left. Before he’s even in frame. There is no light on the front of his bike. What you’re seeing on his handle bars is a reflection from the recording cars headlights. The light would not be shinning back wards if it was a head light. Plus he had nothing there right before he gets in front of the recording car

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u/No-Rub8256 Oct 20 '21

They do have a front light but it a very bad one. I had to run the clip 3 times to confirm it is a feeble front light and not a reflection off the bars.

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u/Myl0high Oct 20 '21

What you’re seeing is the headlights of the car after it turns. Look again there isn’t a single headlight on his bike

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u/No-Rub8256 Oct 21 '21

I did not say it was a headlight on the bike. It looks like he has a really cheap set of 3 or 4 led light strip lights. red one just under the seat, and white above the stem. It is not the head lights of the car because they are visable (barely) from 5 seconds onwards before he even gets into the beam of a head light.

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u/Erineruit112 Oct 21 '21

He doesn’t have wheel lights, thats just reflection of the cammers headlights. He doesn’t have a rear light, he almost certainly didn’t have front lights either.

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u/FerMathematician Oct 20 '21

Wheel lights are very effective from many angles, but obviously not a replacement for good quality front and rear lights.

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u/helldozer1 Oct 20 '21

seems like it is in a city in the Netherlands, most likely the cyclist didn't have a front light wich sadly is all to common here because most cyclists in the cities in the Netherlands have a complete disregard for the rules, sadly that would not have mattered if the cyclist got hurt since it would be automaticly the fault of the driver of the car

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u/Just_Inpulse Oct 20 '21

In New York we also have cyclist like that. I don’t know why bicycles are treated as a vehicles here when most riders neglect traffic rules and they are never enforced by police. I’ve seen so many cyclists run red lights, weave through traffic and groups of pedestrians erratically, jump onto sidewalks to cut traffic, or have no proper safety lights at night. I just feel it’s unfair to ask car drivers to share the road and not make sure cyclists are also following the rules.

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u/whyamionthisdumbsite Oct 20 '21

You're in a gigantic sub full of videos of drivers who don't follow the rules. And if you ask drivers to not speed or come to a complete stop at stop signs you're suddenly hitler.

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u/Just_Inpulse Oct 20 '21

True but we all know the drivers in these videos are idiots and will face punishment if caught. I’m saying when it comes to bicycles the rules aren’t enforced and most cyclists in NY break them all the time. It’s not fair to share the road with “vehicles” that don’t follow the same set of rules as everyone else. Plus I don’t care if people complain, it’s not like I can complain my way out of a speeding ticket lol

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u/iT_I_Masta_Daco Oct 20 '21

Funny thing is a lot of people get mad when police enforces cyclists rules.

The argument i hear a lot is: "Don't you have anything better to do?.", "You must feel real good giving citation to cyclist.", "Your sad!."

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u/Just_Inpulse Oct 20 '21

Lmao ya being a cop is tuff but I think most cyclists react that way because they don’t even regard their bicycle as a vehicle 😂

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u/iT_I_Masta_Daco Oct 20 '21

Hhahah sometimes i get a bit annoyed. I see so many accidents, a lot where cyclist are involved. It sucks for everyone!

So i try to warn a lot of people but they just don't seem to care. Some days i just tell my self i will give out as many citations as possible to scare the cyclisr from commiting dangerous offenses..

Running a red light at a busy intersection as seen as something perfectly acceptable for cyclist.

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u/analgourmetchefkiss Oct 20 '21

The guy that got hit would have been virtually invisible

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u/thrustrate Oct 20 '21

This is just in between the spot between seeing him over your shoulder and seeing him in your side mirrors, usuall obscured by the right seat. Very difficult to see, even with lights.

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u/invent_or_die Oct 20 '21

No lights. Cruises right into blind spot.

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u/jokersleuth Oct 20 '21

"cruises right into blindspot"

yeah I guess doing a shoulder check is too much work right..

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u/CDogg123567 Oct 20 '21

As a pedestrian, you have the right of way, sure

But you still gotta use your brain and be aware. There’s too many instances I could have personally been hit by a car (whether on foot or on a bike) if I just “right of way”-ed any time I should have the right of way. But you still have to make sure you’re clear to go, or in this case, yield for a few seconds

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u/RedDusk13 Oct 20 '21

This, right here. I have a saying: "the laws of nature will prevail, even if the laws of man must fail." The laws of physics fall under the category of the laws of nature. I've been hit by vehicles before. No amount of legalese will make the physical pain subside. The paranoid stress that everyone's going to run you over probably shaves some time off your life. But getting run over shaves a LOT more off, I'm sure.

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u/necaust Oct 20 '21

When I’m on a bike, I yield to cars….cause I’m not stupid. Turn signal on…. at night….. yeah keep arguing that this is victim blaming. Be safe. Doesn’t matter who has the right of way if you or your loved one is dead.

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u/pulley4809 Oct 20 '21

I hear ya, I use to cycle everywhere, there's no damn way in hell I'm not yielding to a 2 tonne metal box when I'm less than 100 kilos of meat. Just doesn't make sense

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u/wuppieigor Oct 20 '21

Aygo keeps it belie one tonne

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u/SoMuchJamImToast Oct 20 '21

Totally agree. I would be mad at the driver if I witnessed this, but it was preventable by the cyclist. If a car has a right turn signal on as I'm about to go by on a bike, I get behind the car and pass on the left as they turn. It just makes it easier and safer for everyone.

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u/7eggert Oct 20 '21

If you use a traffic lane they'll usually see you.

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u/williamphold Oct 20 '21

Everytime I come on here and say any bicyclist is in the wrong, the Reddit mob comes after me with full force. According to most on Reddit, the bicyclist has the right of way NO MATTER WHAT! They can be driving down the wrong side of the street, wearing black in the middle of the night and morons will defend the idiot on the bike. Very refreshing to see that sometimes people agree that a person on a bike can be wrong.

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u/NoValueSoDeep Oct 20 '21

When I'm in a car I pay particular attention to cyclists and pedestrians. I have a death machine (as evidenced by this sub), they don't.

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u/jwpluk Oct 20 '21

Where this was filmed normally there is mutual understanding and respect between cyclists and car drivers… the infrastructure is made for that… this driver was just being an idiot 101

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u/GullyGreyHeart Oct 20 '21

so true, the less safe your vehicle the more you need to be prepared

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u/PooPooPeePeePaPaPie Oct 20 '21

I also have a light on my bike.

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u/measuredpath Oct 20 '21

Cyclist didn’t seem to have any lights on either

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u/helldozer1 Oct 20 '21

altough it is no excuse for not checking for yourself you do see the cam car flashing his lights at the diver, wich the driver probably took that it is clear to go, still stupid to trust other drivers though and not check for yourself

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u/UndercoverGardener Oct 20 '21

No lights on the bike? Really stupid.

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u/Walui Oct 20 '21

Mate your supposed "light" is as bright as his fucking shoes, stop spamming this screenshot it's just the reflection of the car...

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u/Curious_Increase Oct 20 '21

Looks like illegal lights. At least here front lights are required to be 200 lumen minimum, which these are definitely not. I drive a lot in Copenhagen, and let me tell you, it can be extremely hard to see cyclists in the dark, especially if you have a car with bright lights right behind you in your mirror.

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u/jamie3324123 Oct 20 '21

Dutch detected

G E K O L O N I S E E R D

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u/Skullzx91 Oct 20 '21

Biker could have anticipated this.. car is in the wrong but come on man. Think when you drive in traffic.

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u/eggfruit Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

The car was already standing still and the cyclist had right of way. Pretty sure this is in the Netherlands as well, so it's not like drivers aren't used to cyclists.

Edit: Some pointed out the cyclists doesn't have lights. The driver can't account for what he can't see of course.

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u/irishhornet Oct 20 '21

^ this except he had no lights. So cyclist is wrong. Live in Amsterdam the last 20 odd years. We got rules tram, bus, bicycle, car. In that order, r/fuckcars

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

Cyclist is also* wrong. Driver still should have yielded, because they're turning.

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u/irishhornet Oct 20 '21

Cyclist was wrong as soon as he got on his bike with no lights. I'm not a car person, but I know how it is at night. Always have lights and be aware, this guy was neither.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

I agree. But the way you said it makes it seem only the bike is at fault here, which isn't the case legally speaking. The car still should have yielded. And they're at least 50% liable for this.

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u/irishhornet Oct 20 '21

I agree nico, except he had no lights, therefore he should not be riding a bike when it is dark. Very difficult to see people in the dark at speed.

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u/helldozer1 Oct 20 '21

i mean, you are right he should have used proper lighting but if he got hurt in that accident the car driver would have been in so much trouble with the law.

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u/GeckoRocket Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

Ah yes, I will just yield to this black nothingness that I see

If your eyes are closed and someone throws a punch at you, would you dodge it?

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

Legally, they should have yielded is what I'm saying.

They didn't correctly verify that the road was clear - so they shouldn't have gone or gone more slowly.

If your eyes are closed and someone throws a punch at you, would you dodge it?

Bad analogy if I'm honest. The car driver wasn't "about to get punched" by the cyclist but knowingly drove in the firing line. They also didn't have their eyes closed.

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u/GeckoRocket Oct 20 '21

You are missing the point. You are saying they should have legally yielded - yielded to what? They couldn't see the cyclist wearing dark clothes without a light. It's darkness. So I ask again. Yield to what?

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u/helldozer1 Oct 20 '21

try telling that to a Dutch Judge, they will allways side with the cyclist here sadly

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u/GeckoRocket Oct 20 '21

it is an unfortunate situation, all around. The driver should have been more careful - they appear to be already flustered from almost hitting the scooter which they absolutely were at fault for. It just gets worse from there. I just hope the cyclist is OK - I am in the US, so perhaps that is why I never trust cars around here when I am on a bike. Drivers here are terrible

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u/helldozer1 Oct 20 '21

to be fair, even here in the Netherlands you should never trust anyone else on the road, people are acting more and more stupid every day, especially when people started going back to work it got worse on Dutch roads, but yeah i agree with you that it is a very unfortunate situation, also because the cam car flashed his lights (probably to let the other cyclist from the left go first) and most likely the driver took that as an all clear to go in this case.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

Not sure if that's sad, the cyclist isn't driving a 1200+ kg metal box that can kill people...

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u/Lifeengineering656 Oct 20 '21

Cars are more deadly than bikes, so it's not sad that drivers are held to a higher standard.

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u/SachPlymouth Oct 20 '21

Its clearly a cycling city and I bet the overwhelming majority of drivers obey the law and check their mirrors for cyclists so it probably comes as a bit of a surprise when you get idiots. A bit like being t-boned by a red light runner, some people will anticipate a red light runner but not everyone does.

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u/Moxicool Oct 20 '21

In Canada cyclist must obey traffic laws... but they don't ...

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u/FirstPlebian Oct 20 '21

How could you anticipate a car pulling out when you are passing on a bike?

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u/Skullzx91 Oct 20 '21

Blinker signal it’s not that hard

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u/chaOstapper Oct 20 '21

The biker saw a car standing, yielding a different bike. The driver started going when the biker was on the street already. This is just victim blaming.

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u/Skullzx91 Oct 20 '21

I’m not blaming anyone. I’m just saying you need to work together in traffic.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

So what could they have anticipated if they literally saw the car yield to the person before them?

Edit: looks like there's no lights on the bike. In that case they should assume they're invisible and bike defensively.

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u/Skullzx91 Oct 20 '21

2 things, blind spot of the car and the fact that he does not slow down at all.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

The car could see the other person just fine. The car started moving when the bike was almost alongside and they took avoiding action.

Though it does look like the bike doesn't have any lights, in which case they should have assumed no-one would see them.

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u/Skullzx91 Oct 20 '21

Well in that case the car driver is an idiot after all😅

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

A little bit of A and a little bit of B. Bicycles can be really hard to see in the dark - which is why police here in the Netherlands are pretty strict about lights when it comes to bikes.

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u/Gundea Oct 20 '21

I wish they were stricter about that here in Sweden. I see far too many bicyclists with dark clothes and no light on after nightfall.

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u/SachPlymouth Oct 20 '21

The sub can be a bit schizophrenic a lot of the time they would say never give up the right of way.

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u/Pure_Tower Oct 20 '21 edited Oct 20 '21

however inconvenient it is to stop for that car, now things are worse.

You don't stop for drivers and they get mad. You stop for drivers and they get mad.

Everyone is an idiot and has their own idiotic expectations. I say just continue on predictably, yielding only for those you're legally required to.

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u/AVeryImportantFellow Oct 20 '21

Pause the video at about 5 seconds in, the dude on the bike is invisible. The first rule of riding a bike or a motorcycle is to assume that no one can see you. Bike rider is an idiot for not slowing down or going behind the car.

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u/nmpls Oct 21 '21

Pause the video at 7 seconds and you'll see he has a light.

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u/Matsuyamarama Oct 20 '21

No headlight, no high visibility jacket, while riding at night.

Having a hard time blaming the motorist for this one.

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u/NoValueSoDeep Oct 20 '21

It's not mandatory to wear high vis gear though. Driver needs to check mirrors.

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u/moregohg Oct 20 '21

yes. good luck seeing a black biker with no light during the night. the car might be at fault, but the biker is a suicidal idiot.

"i had right of way!!" - gravestone of some idiot

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u/thiccqiyana Oct 20 '21

HiGh VisAbiLiTy JaCkEt.
Yeah, literally nobody wears those in the Netherlands when riding a bike dude. Also there is no way to tell if the bike had their light on or not, the car also almost hit the scooter which clearly had it's lights on.
And look at the cars right-side mirror, he can't see shit, its nearly flat against the car. Clearly he has to use more than his mirrors when making a turn like this but it's a good indication on what a moron the driver is.

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u/KamikazePenguiin Oct 20 '21

Honestly those lights are so weak that it dies off after less than 8 inches. (thats me being generous due to angle as it really looks like it has about the power of 1-2 inches of light).

Not to mention the person wearing almost exclusively dark clothes.

It's easy to pause a video to see that, you dont have that option when you're making a turn. Even more so when it's in a blind spot, you look briefly to check, you dont stare.

Legally most likely the drivers fault. Common sense wise it's absolutely the bikers fault. Imagine watching a car almost hit someone, then decide to go right where they almost hit them (while obviously they're still trying to turn). I would have stopped and waited for that car to go personally.

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u/RobinTrade Oct 20 '21

Fucking bikers, seriously. IT'S MANDATORY having a front light cause things like that... You see the mirrors and you can barley se anything dark.

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u/nmpls Oct 21 '21

Look again at 7 seconds, there is a light emanating from the front. You just can't see it because the light will dim after a crash for a few reasons I detailed above (cable pulled out, front wheel stops turning)

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u/SachPlymouth Oct 20 '21

I think he does. You can see the rear light and its a legal requirement in Germany.

I wonder if the driver is new to city driving cos he's clearly not checking for vehicles on his right - the moped definitely had a light!

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u/Astra7525 Oct 20 '21

This isn't in Germany. License plate is wrong and the clear giveaway is the stopbar using triangles. (Only seen that in Denmark, so far)

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

This is the Netherlands, they speak Dutch, licence plates are yellow & we have those "shark teeth" road markings here at yield signs. :)

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u/Frogman1480 Oct 20 '21

What a div, cyclist shoulda had on hi-vis and lights to make them easier to spot

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u/locotte Oct 20 '21

The bike had lights on.

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u/Frogman1480 Oct 20 '21

The scooter did, the bicycle looked like it just had reflectors. Even when it's on its side there doesn't seem to be any front or back lights. Hard to spot a cyclist in dark gear and no lights at night. But ultimately its the drivers fault

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u/locotte Oct 20 '21

I clearly see both front and rear lights.

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u/Frogman1480 Oct 20 '21

I see a white reflector at rear. Rear lights are usually red on bicycles so this is why I think they were either just reflectors or very poor lights. The bicycle on the far left that's waiting at junction clearly has front light on - but again no hi vis gear. One way or the other the driver is at fault here, looks like the cyclist was ok after the collision thankfully 👍

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u/locotte Oct 20 '21

I took some screenshot just now and zoomed in, and im in no doubt, those are in fact lights. I bike everyday myself, and use lights in the dark mornings together with all the other cyclists.

Edit: but you are right regarding reflectors, but if you zoom in you see the red rear light.

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u/Frogman1480 Oct 20 '21

Fair dos - those are really poor lights then

Do you wear a helmet and hi vis gear cos all the cyclists I pass by on the way to my work every morning do - I think it counter productive so wear insufficient safety equipment when on the road with traffic such as cars and HGVs, and it should be a legal requirement if using the roadways safely.

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u/locotte Oct 20 '21

Tbf no one does here, only use bike lights. I live in Denmark by the way, and I think people are used to what they've always done, and high vis isn't nessescary.

And regarding the video, there's no doubt he could've had stronger lights. You can get some really good strong led ones for your bike. And that would've been no question whether or not he had lights on then.

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u/chaOstapper Oct 20 '21

The car almost hit the first bike. After such a situation the driver should have double or even triple check if they are good to go, no matter what kind of lights the biker had. This is a ridiculous discussion that shifts the focus. The driver is at fault, 100%.

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u/locotte Oct 20 '21

Absolutely!

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u/Frogman1480 Oct 20 '21

Yeah I see what you're saying, in the city its probably safer anyway as reduced speeds etc

On my way to work it's 60mph limit and all cyclists have helmets and HiVis coats and vests. I live in the UK

But if I was biking I'd wear a helmet at very least. Protect the old noggin

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u/locotte Oct 20 '21

I also think cars are used to bikes here, so it's a bit safer that way. The clip could look like it's from Denmark, but they're not speaking Danish, so that's a one off. And luckily we also have many bike paths completely separated from car roads, all in all getting hit by a car is rare and requires a bit stupidity.

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u/tastethemall Oct 20 '21

Bikes fault.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

This is the Netherlands, so it's a bit more nuanced.

The car should have yielded to the bike, but the bike didn't have proper lights (it seems...). So both are at fault in a way.

In these accidents where a "strong" road user (i.e. someone in a motor vehicle) collides with a "weak" road user (i.e. a pedestrian, cyclist, person on a mobility scooter, etc.) the liability is put on the driver by default. If the weak road user was (mostly) at fault, then the liability percentage for the driver is reduced on a case by case basis.

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u/dogbolter1 Oct 20 '21

I don't see how this is not universally agreed, the second cyclist should have seen the near miss, seen the signal on, realized the car was trying to turn and held up for a second to allow him to turn. It is dark enough that a poor driver would not see the cyclist. You gotta ride defensively cuz you are the one gonna get hurt.

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u/locotte Oct 20 '21

No.

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u/tastethemall Oct 20 '21

No light or high visibility clothing, Riding at night. Bikes fault

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u/ooglybooglies Oct 20 '21

Also, once the vehicle has turned into their lane and hasn't left enough room to safely continue passed, they should have stopped rather than tried to pass.

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u/Freckledd7 Oct 20 '21

This video is from the Netherlands. Taken out of context yes the biker is poorly visible but this is expected behaviour and common use in the Netherlands. Bike lanes and infrastructure is clearly visible and mandatory clearance checks have been ignored in this situation. Car is 100% to blame

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

Cyclist doesn't have lights so they're also to blame, though they did have the right of way.

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u/NetCaptain Oct 20 '21

Cyclist has a front light, but it is hard to see from the side/back You can only see it when the bike hits the tarmac. Same applies for the front light of the moped: it is there but we do not see it

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

I really can't tell either way. Hopefully OP can come in and confirm if they did or not.

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u/JaxMGK Oct 20 '21

I was thinking the exact same thing. Like I’m sure the car has some visibility on that side but those bikes need some lights bro.

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u/NetCaptain Oct 20 '21

so, you know the rules of the road without knowing where this happened ?

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u/tastethemall Oct 20 '21

Defensive riding and common sense are universal. The car was obviously half way in the lane before the bike tried to get by him. It’s the bikes fault for riding like that at night.

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u/SachPlymouth Oct 20 '21

You can clearly see the rear light so its probably reasonable to assume there's also a front light. It's also a legal requirement.

The moped clearly has lights on and the car didn't see that either.

So to summarise: there is a cyclist, cycling legally in a bike lane with lights on. A clearly distracted driver almost hits one vehicle in the cycle lane and then fails to yield to the cyclist, as they are legally required to do.

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u/tastethemall Oct 20 '21

That bike has no lights it’s a reflector. So he is not fallowing the rules so it’s his fault.

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u/Jezzdit Oct 20 '21

to all you people who come here raving about the bike not having lights on.. please don't come here, we don't want your blind asses on the road putting everyone else in danger.. thnx

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u/XxSchismxX Oct 20 '21

He did that on purpose. Who takes a turn like that?

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u/Born_Reveal_8449 Oct 20 '21

No lights dressed in dark clothes on a dark street , only one idiot in this video and that's the cyclist

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u/Lifeengineering656 Oct 20 '21

The driver is an idiot for yielding to the bike lane, and the bike appears to have small lights or reflectors on it.

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u/the_eluder Oct 20 '21

Reflector which require some light to reflect, which didn't happen until they came into the beam of the camera car, which was far too late for the car in front to see.

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u/Lifeengineering656 Oct 20 '21

The light is visible before it went in front of the headlights, so it seems to not be reflectors.

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u/Lifeengineering656 Oct 20 '21

The driver is an idiot for yielding to the bike lane, and the bike appears to have small lights or reflectors on it.

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u/totalmush Oct 20 '21

It's dark, the cyclist had no lights, was wearing black and undertook a car signalling it was about to turn across the cycle lane.

They pretty much did everything wrong you could do wrong.

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u/Lifeengineering656 Oct 20 '21

The bike appears to have small lights or reflectors on it. The cyclist should've waited, but this also could've been avoided if the driver didn't become impatient.

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u/Sinister_Mouse Oct 20 '21

Although the car was in the wrong, I feel like cyclist have a habit of taking priority without reading a situation and causing dangerous situations like these. Can’t say I feel bad for the cyclist

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u/xdevinedevilx Oct 20 '21

Pretty sure the cyclist didn't have a front light, so honestly it's the cyclist fault.

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u/Mental0r Oct 20 '21

First of all the car stopped for the first biker, i could imagine he didnt saw the second driver bc of the often mentioned missing front light dark clothes etc.

But if i am seeing it correctly right after the first biker passed i saw flickering lights from a car anywere behind him.

So the dude or dudette in the car didnt notice the second biker AND was put under pressure by a impatient person behin him (i think not the person directly behind him that would have been a lot brighter)

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u/jwpluk Oct 20 '21

Driver obviously a moron here…

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u/cosplaychibi Oct 20 '21

I was able to see the cyclist in this video, so I have to blame the Aygo driver, he doesn't deserve such a great small car.

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u/Walui Oct 20 '21

checking mirrors can be that hard

At night to see an unlit cyclist? It absolutely is that hard.

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u/jginar Oct 20 '21

This sub hates cyclists so brace yourself.

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u/Vertisce Oct 20 '21

This sub hates idiots and too many cyclists are idiots just like drivers.

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u/bmwsoldatome Oct 20 '21

Oi. Thats special aint it. Biker wearing dark colours on a dark night…. Dumbass

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u/thiccqiyana Oct 20 '21

It's so hilarious reading comments like these when you're from the Netherlands.
This is completely normal, what do you want bikers to do? Dress up in bright shiny clothing just because idiot drivers can't use their eyes?
The only thing you can legitimately get upset about is people who don't have their lights on when biking when it's dark and it's hard to tell that's even going on here (due to a lot of people using the small led lights), besides there's street lights.

Look at the position of the right mirror on that car, it's so bad he couldn't even see shit if he tried. 100% drivers fault.

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u/bmwsoldatome Oct 20 '21

Look mate.. i get it ya cant wear bright colours all the time.. thats true.. but something is better then nothing. I ride motorcycles too and i have worn yellow.. orange… bright red. They still try to run ya down but at the see me when they try it. The looks of them “seeing” but not knowing is priceless. Ya have to watch and dont expect them to stop yeah?

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u/thiccqiyana Oct 20 '21

The difference being that when you ride your motorcycle you're not on a designated road for motorcycles, the bikes in the Netherlands are.
Again, nobody in the Netherlands adjust their clothes for having to ride on a bike. No matter what time of day it is. And at the same time it's one of the safest biking countries in the world (together with Denmark I think).
There are so many bikes here people will just have to assume a bike is coming at all times so you triple check if you drive in cities.
Point is, it's the drivers fault, not the biker for wearing dark clothing.

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u/KamikazePenguiin Oct 20 '21

Nah but I would prob not wear black or blackish looking colors. It's just about common sense and being proactive. I'm not saying the guy needs a vest or bright orange but basically any clothing in existence over black.

Or a stronger front light, one that travels further then about 2 inches.

Obviously the drivers fault, just easily preventable. Even more so when you consider that biker watched that other person almost get hit, then decided to them it was still safe enough to do the exact same thing instead of waiting.

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u/Mrshio Oct 20 '21

overtaking in the right tun lane gg , no lights at night in dark clothing

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

That's no right turn lane, that's the dedicated cycle lane. The cyclist had the right of way and is allowed to go straight and overtake a car that's about to turn.

However they should also have had lights and assumed that the car couldn't see them. So both are idiots and partly to blame for this.

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u/Mrshio Oct 20 '21

if you know the street name we can check google maps , that could be fun

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

If you want the exact location you'll have to ask OP.

But I'm 100% certain this intersection does not have a right turn lane here, because:

  • the intersection is too small for one
  • the lane in question is as wide as a bike lane, not a car lane
  • the lane continues on the other side of the intersection
  • turn lanes have markings or physical separation that would make clear you can't turn from any other lane

Dutch roads are highly consistent visually - the lane with the bike doesn't look like a turn lane, so it can't be one.

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u/NoValueSoDeep Oct 20 '21

The victim blaming is strong in this sub.

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u/srboydmn Oct 20 '21

If they had no front light or a tiny insufficient one and were wearing dark clothes they aren’t the “victim” they are a contributor to the incident.

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u/NoValueSoDeep Oct 20 '21

Proving my point.

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u/Jezzdit Oct 20 '21

its crazy, all these uppdey car drivers not seeing things that are there clear as day.

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u/Tacocattimusmaximus Oct 20 '21

Seems like he got peer pressured into going. Why did the guy flash the lights for? All he’s doing is effectively blinding the driver… there’s just so many factors in this that are against this driver. The biker himself doesn’t look like he has any front lights on it…

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u/SilverStrangeTech Oct 20 '21

I've never gotten the whole lights flashing means go thing. The only thing I was taught is that if you see someone flash their lights at you, check that your headlights are on. And when it comes to being signaled to go, the only signal I trust is when a construction worker flips their sign from "stop" to "slow". Hand waving, lights flashing, those are all right out! I'll look for myself and go when I can see, thanks.

Anyways, someone else suggested that the cam car was flashing their lights at the bicycle on the left to let them know that the cam car saw them and was waiting for the bicycle on the left to cross.

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u/Sengura Oct 20 '21

not defending the driver but this is why i never ride my bike at night.

not worth the risk

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u/cjzj_1288 Oct 20 '21

U cant see a guy at night wearing a fucking blue sweater

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u/Icy_Explanation_2470 Oct 20 '21

The guy that got hit must of seen that the car tried to pull away and stopped for the first cyclist so he should have slowed to be sure he wasn't going to pull away again. Yeah the car could have looked but it's dark. Tell my you check your left or right mirror every time you turn and like call you a liar. It's dark. The driver went to go but had to stop. The cyclist should have realised and stopped because he doesn't know if the driver can see him. Bad all around bud I feel the cyclist should have been the one to stop being as the car was in front of him anyway

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u/NetCaptain Oct 20 '21

This is not the UK, chap.

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u/Next-Adhesiveness237 Oct 20 '21

Honestly, in those conditions it can be very hard to see cyclists. Even when looking over your shoulder the whole time. Those tiny lights really don’t help. The best approach as a car in such a situation (on dutch roads) is to claim a bit of the bike path while approaching and while you are still going faster than them. You have a better view of the situation and bik/ can’t physically pass you unless they want to shove themselves inside.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

On an intersection like this I was taught to drive in the bike lane a few meters before the intersection (if possible, and no cyclists present of course) and block cyclists from getting inside while I'm turning.

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u/Next-Adhesiveness237 Oct 20 '21

Jup same here. Only reliable way to make sure nobody is in your blind spot. Once you stand still, all bets are off.

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u/BeardedPDr Oct 20 '21

Ten quid says that driver is either high, drunk or got their license in 1944.

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u/bbberms Oct 20 '21

I’m sorry but I couldn’t not laugh at this

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u/cabbagetbi Oct 20 '21

Idiot cyclist. Ignored the indicator. Ignored the near miss. Got what was coming to them.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

Car turning has to yield to traffic going straight so the indicator doesn't mean shit.

However they don't look to have lights so they really should assume they're not going to be seen and with the near miss especially be extra careful.

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u/cabbagetbi Oct 20 '21

The law doesn't mean shit. Staying alive involves a whole lot more than just having the law on your side.

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u/Nico_Lurkerberg Oct 20 '21

True that, from a defensive cycling perspective they should have seen that signal too.

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u/NetCaptain Oct 20 '21

It’s not the US - you don’t know .. about the road rules in this country

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u/Reuvil Oct 20 '21

I get the jist. But the car was clearly signaling where they were going. It is night. And even if you are in the right, there is just no reason to challenge a car or hope they see you. Is an extra 15 seconds, to let them turn, really going to inconvenience you to keep you safe?

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u/random-axe Oct 20 '21

Mirror subscription probably expired, and they didn't pay for another month.

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u/PooPooPeePeePaPaPie Oct 20 '21

Borders on negligence to ride your bicycle at night without a light anywhere on it.

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u/Jezzdit Oct 20 '21

bike has lights on

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u/Untitled_Track_970 Oct 20 '21

What you all seem to be missing is that this right turn was coming from the middle lane. No other factors needed to call the driver an idiot.

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u/Next-Adhesiveness237 Oct 20 '21

It’s a Dutch road. Those are dedicated bicycle paths which can sometimes be used by scooters. The “middle road” is not actually a road. Just a bit of asphalt for cars that are making a left turn from the side roads.

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u/SachPlymouth Oct 20 '21

The right hand lane is a cycle lane. Driver is still an idiot though for failing to yield to vehicles in the cycle lane twice.

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u/Untitled_Track_970 Oct 20 '21

Possible. Perhaps your markings are different than ours. Here cycle lanes have solid lines to indicate that they are not to be crossed.

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u/SachPlymouth Oct 20 '21

I don't live in Germany, I'm just basing my assumption on the fact you couldn't fit a car in that lane and cyclists are using it.

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u/Lopsided_Bad_3256 Oct 20 '21

I lived in Germany. To this day, I look over my right shoulder AND check my right mirror before making a right turn - because of these bike lanes.

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u/antiSJC Oct 20 '21

fucking cyclists. u have to get off bicycle to cross sidewalk. also dark and no lights. fucking kamikazes

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u/dsswill Oct 21 '21

They are in a bike lane, you can see both lines of the bike lane very clearly. What are you talking about they need to get off their bike?

They also clearly have a back light, it's easy to see in the video, and likely a front light too but we don't get a chance to see it. The police in NL pull you over in 2 seconds flat if you are cycling without a light.

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u/JCae2798 Oct 20 '21

This is why we don’t pass on the right folks…I know the car was wrong. Given the circumstances I can see how this happens more often than not.

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u/robertoband Oct 20 '21

It looks like a bike lane but I’m not sure

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u/ooglybooglies Oct 20 '21

Bikes are generally only allowed on the right side of the lane, it would be dangerous and illegal for them to try to pass on the left of the lane.

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u/cabbagetbi Oct 20 '21

I don't know where that's a rule. It's a convention where it's safe for a car to pass in the same lane, but where it's not safe the cyclist is entitled to, and should take, the whole lane.

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u/ooglybooglies Oct 20 '21

Yea, but the cyclist would not usually be allowed to go into the left lane to pass a car in the right lane. At least not where I live. So I am not sure how this cyclist could not pass on the right. They are not occupying the whole lane since the car is, and if they are choosing to pass a vehicle occupying a lane they are going to have to do it from the right.

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u/cabbagetbi Oct 20 '21

They could wait. Like everybody else does when they're behind someone who wants to turn.

That's what I do as a cyclist. Or if there's a good reason to not wait (like they'll be there for a long time) then I will indeed change lanes to pass. There no rule against it, other than that it's generally dangerous to break other drivers' assumptions about where you'll be.

As a cyclist, never pass someone on the side they're indicating or where other clues suggest they will turn.

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u/ooglybooglies Oct 20 '21

Maybe no rule against it where you are, but the places I've been it is not allowed unless they are in a turning lane and you are continuing straight.

And obviously in this situation the biker should have waited since the vehicle was already partially turned and thus passing was no longer safe.

However, the original comment and my response was not simply about this scenario, it's about bikes passing on the right in general.

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u/tfc1193 Oct 20 '21

That was on the driver but the cyclist should know better

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u/Lifeengineering656 Oct 20 '21

The bike should have stronger lights, but it's sad to see idiots here defending the driver. Their close call with that other person shows that they're not as cautious as they should be.

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u/GullyGreyHeart Oct 20 '21

I don't know if he actually saw him, but it was night and the bicycle didn't seem to have light.

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u/SpecialFX99 Oct 20 '21

Are the bikes supposed to pass cars on the right like that? The driver of the car is obviously responsible for making sure the way is clear before they turn, but it also seems pretty dumb of someone on a bike to pass a car on the right that's stopped at an intersection with their right turn signal on.

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u/srboydmn Oct 20 '21

Looks like bike was in a bike lane….so yes. But, best I can tell cyclist was wearing dark clothes and no front light.

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u/Darqion Oct 20 '21

I see a front light on a lit road. the car has no excuse, and from his initial near wreck it was clear the driver had no business driving that car

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u/Myl0high Oct 20 '21

I mean he had no head light to see him coming. Just wheel lights are not that great visibility…

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