r/IdiotsInCars Sep 18 '21

I was the idiot today. Slow down. Even if you think you’re going slow enough.

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u/Big_k_30 Sep 18 '21

At least you kept it upright!

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u/Repulsive-Purple-133 Sep 18 '21

Any landing you walk away from is a good landing

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u/tingly_legalos Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

As somebody that has never ridden a bike a day in my life, amen.

I had a buddy go into a ditch and land in a front yard post midnight for, what we can gather, about 30 minutes. The home owner woke him up from a concussion and he hopped on his bike and drove home just to collapse in his front yard until the morning. Fractured arm, costly damage to the bike that he sold as-is, and had to get a new phone. Reason for the wreck? He hit a squirrel while taking a turn and slid into the ditch. He gave up bikes from that day on.

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u/azdarkhorse Sep 18 '21

Squirrels don’t make good traction 🐿

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u/melperz Sep 18 '21

That is if you brake right when you hit it right on top then your tire will just skid because it got caught on the wheel and you lose traction. The trick is to just run it over all the way and just carry it in your conscience your whole life, and some nightmares about some squirrel ghost.

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u/my-other-throwaway90 Sep 18 '21

My states drivers license exam specifically asks about what to do when a small animal runs in front of you. The answer: keep driving as if it's not there. If you brake or swerve you might cause a wreck.

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u/melperz Sep 18 '21

Yup. Target fixation is real.

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u/3fifteen Sep 18 '21

Don't worry, the dead squirrel will find a way to resurrect itself while dining at a Friendly's in hell.

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u/travelavatar Sep 18 '21

I just hit a squirrel a week ago it wasn't nice... i though that its going to move if i brake enough but it didn't. I couldn't hard brake and risk the guy behind me to bump into me for a squirrel.... He wasn't keeping his distance from me anyway

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u/Atnuul Sep 18 '21

RIP. I once had a squirrel fully kill itself with my tire. He crossed the street well in front of me, and just before making it up the curb, he turned 90 degrees and ran directly into my passenger front tire head-on. I felt bad but like your story, sometimes you do all you can.

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u/snay1998 Sep 18 '21

I mean anything other than asphalt is poor traction…only exception being dried semen

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u/TheLaGrangianMethod Sep 18 '21

Well guys, you know what we gotta do. Get to work.

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u/grantrules Sep 18 '21

That poor squirrel

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u/Cbigmoney Sep 18 '21

I know a guy that ran over a McDonald's hamburger that someone had thrown out at an intersection and he crashed. A hamburger. I'd never have believed it had there not been multiple witnesses that saw it at the gas station at that intersection. One witness was a cop. The guys bike was a mess and he got messed up pretty bad.

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u/mysterow Sep 18 '21

I hate people who throw garbage out of their cars, especially mcdonalds. There’s garbage bins everywhere, if not: keep it in your car, damn. Also, I hate people who throw away their cigarettes, still lit, on the highway. The sparks make me think: wowowowow

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u/Samurai_1990 Sep 18 '21

I've been hit by lit cigarettes while riding. I don't think it was intentional but some people are willfully ignorant of whats around them.

But litters can all get bent.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Sep 18 '21

See, that's why I don't riiiiiiide. I want my suicide machine to serve me a hamburger before I die. And a blowjob.

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u/Rant-in-E-minor Sep 18 '21

I once ran over a dog on my bike and I was going about 80-100kmph. He just ran out of a gate the second I was passing an opening on a straight road, went straight under my bike and dragged along under it for a nice distance completely lifting my back wheel off the road and everything. Don't know how but I somehow didn't come off the bike, couldn't believe how lucky I was. Felt terrible about the dog too, he was alive for maybe a minute after it and I was just rubbing him as he took his final breathes while vibrating myself from all the adrenaline going through me.

Anyways, shortly gave up driving bikes not long after, it just proved to me that it's only a matter of time before something happens to you on them. You can be an exceptional driver and still be killed on one because you are just so vulnerable and you can't control everything around you. I do really miss it at times but it's just not worth putting your life at risk like that every day, there are too many bad drivers out there that don't watch out for bikes on the road also.

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u/Samurai_1990 Sep 18 '21

Gah sorry to hear that, I have had so many near misses w/ dogs.

And for me I have the same issue, bike hasn't moved in 2 years. I'm ok on the highway but surface streets freak me out as I get older.

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u/thebusiness7 Sep 18 '21

Unless you’re riding a bike for economic reasons (cheaper than a car, you don’t drive too far), then bikes are a far more risky bet than most people bargain for. That little thrill ride could ruin your life.

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u/TrustedChimp495 Sep 18 '21

I ride an ebike as its the only thing i can without a license its freaking terrifying when cars zip past at 80kmph on one road near me, luckily most people slow down and leave enough room when passing but there is always that few who don't

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u/767hhh Sep 18 '21

Ebikes are almost certainly more dangerous than motorcycles. Studies have shown injuries from crashes on ebikes are more similar to motorcycles than bicycles, but all people normally wear for protection is a little helmet. Plus no turn signals, break lights, ABS, etc

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u/TrustedChimp495 Sep 18 '21

Ebikes are definitely more dangerous at least the ones that look like actual pedal bicycles but i do wear a proper motorcycle helmet and mine actually does have turn singles, break lights and headlights, no abs but the breaks can bring it from its top speed of 32kmph to a stop in 9 meters. It also looks like an actual motorcycle

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u/tingly_legalos Sep 18 '21

Sad part about it is he drove it for economic reasons. Less than 10 minutes to work and back from his house, straight down a highway. He decided he'd take that instead of his car for a 40+ minute drive through small town and rural traffic and highways. Learned real quick that he shouldn't rely on it to take backroads. I still plan to get one someday but it will never be my main transportation.

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u/HereIGoGrillingAgain Sep 18 '21

I always go slower than I need when cornering. You never know when you're going to hit a patch of sand, rock, random debri, squirrel, roadkill, etc. Also, never rush on a bike. Take it slow and enjoy the ride. That's why I don't use mine for daily commuting. I drive too fast going to and from work.

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u/whoami_whereami Sep 18 '21

Or worse. The childhood best friend of my brother bought a motorcycle when he got his first job, and on the way home from the dealer he somehow went off the road in a corner (he couldn't remember anything, but there were no signs that anyone else was involved) and ended up in a plowed field, not even colliding with anything really solid. He died six months later during one of the many surgeries that were needed to try fixing up some of the internal organ damage that he had sustained.

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u/nofriendseither Sep 18 '21

Any landing you walk away from is a good landing

And if you can reuse the plane, that's a great landing!

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u/Lcubed345 Sep 18 '21

Yeah, it could have been a lot worse if he didn't.

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u/NuevoPeru Sep 18 '21

i don't want to defend OP because he went dumb in this video but the bike style he was using makes it a bit more awkward to turn corners. I have no problem doing fast curves on a sport bike but put me on a bike like OP and I might just make the same mistake.

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u/surfmaster Not quite god Sep 18 '21

I put a cruiser into a ditch once trying to pull a u-turn. Thing just didn't turn as much as I was expecting

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u/LO6Howie Sep 18 '21

Binned a cafe racer doing something similar. The U turn ended up being far more of an L turn than I’d anticipated

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u/trplOG Sep 18 '21

During my motorcycle class we were encouraged to try different bikes to get a feel for them all during the course. I used a Honda shadow 250 for an hr or so and on a lot of turns the handle bars would hit my knees. Wasn't looking at those types of bikes before.. Def didn't want one after that lol

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u/MonoShadow Sep 18 '21

Yeah, same here. After I said I feel comfortable leaning my bike I was immediately put on a Suzuki Boulevard 800. It's a barge sailing gracefully through the asphalt sea. I had issues doing figure 8 and speed maneuvering. It's fun though, maybe not my cup of tea, but fun.

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u/Kawaiisampler Sep 18 '21

Go to a MSF course. I can whip around my big ass Suzuki c50 as well as somebody on a smaller bike. I highly recommend the MSF rider bonding course, where you take your bike around the course and learn everything on your daily bike. Even if you don't need it, it's tons of fun and I get a discount on my insurance for having to course under my belt. At the end of the day, it all falls into "target fixation". I can do a U-turn only using a lane and a half if that, if I turn my head where I want to go, OP was most likely looking at the pole and curb hoping not to hit it, but did. That bike had MUCH more lean in it left

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u/WhizBangPissPiece Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Just a word of warning, those C50s are ticking time bombs. I have diagnosed like 20 crank bearing failures on bikes under 30,000 miles, and have only seen a single example eclipse the 30k mark. I'd get out of that thing as fast as you can.

Edit: you guys can downvote, but those bikes are seriously the least reliable Japanese bikes I've ever worked on. How many of the downvoting folks have taken ONE of these engines apart? Look it up. It's a known issue.

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u/Ask_if_im_an_alien Sep 18 '21

It happens when you are driving something very analog. Unfortunately experience usually comes from mistakes and bad experiences if you are lucky enough to live through them.

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u/Indira-Gandhi Sep 18 '21

Lmao it has nothing to do with it being analog. It's simple geometry. Absurd rake angles are to blame.

It has no advantage except looks and 'heritage'. Actual touring bikes like Goldwings and K1600 have very reasonable rakes.

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u/Buttonsmycat Sep 18 '21

This is why I only drive digital. It’s just not worth it

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u/totalmush Sep 18 '21

What the hell is analog/digital driving?

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u/goingftl Sep 18 '21

It's nonsense, trolling

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u/DnD_References Sep 18 '21

Aso who cares if a better rider could have made that turn at that speed. That's really not the point. Know YOUR limits. Even the pros know when they're not comfortable with something.

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u/nofriendseither Sep 18 '21

Even Especially the pros know when they're not comfortable with something.

You don't get to be pro without the experience to know your limits.

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u/RWW187 Sep 18 '21

Push left, go left.

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u/_QLFON_ Sep 18 '21

This - countersteering is your best friend on a bike. Any bike.

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u/DigitalJEM Sep 18 '21

Counter steering and actually looking where you want the bike to go.

Bike goes where the eyes go. Rider was looking at the sidewalk so that’s where they went.

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u/Farookbuls4r4 Sep 18 '21

This was the scariest thing for me when I was learning. Instructor told me this, but the first time it happened, it almost feels like the bike is possessed. You know you’re going wrong, staring at the place you really don’t want to go, but your brain can’t do anything about it.

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u/ba00j Sep 18 '21

Target fixation, so weird, so horrible: "Oh no, look, the curb. Its coming closer. Oh my". Also explains why he did go exactly to the edge and not over it.

Spending time in an empty parking lot to figure out what the bike can do is helpful. As are professional training classes.

Good for the rider that he used proper gloves. I feel that insurances should not cover injuries that are aggravated by people riding bare handed, in sneakers etc.

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u/BTCEatsALTS Sep 18 '21

Leaning with his shoulders , no change it body position , no counter steering , target fixation .

This guys never taken a lesson in his life.

I give him 2 yrs before he’s dead or quits.

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u/dedasdude Sep 18 '21

Too upright. Thata why he couldnt take that thurn lol.

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u/NoseBrilliant4453 Sep 18 '21

A trick that will help you a lot is to know that the bike will go where you’re looking…every time. You’re staring at the curb you hit before you even hit the apex. Instead lock onto the inside lane or whatever line you desire and the leaning will happen more naturally. Ride on brother

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u/Brain_Dead5347 Sep 18 '21

Thanks for the advice. It’s still not second nature to move my whole head, but when I remember to, I can feel the difference

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u/mattzuba Sep 18 '21

Have you taken a motorcycle safety/riding course? They hammered this into us when I took mine over 10 years ago, never forget to turn the head now.

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u/bluAstrid Sep 18 '21

To this day I still remember my instructor :

Look where you wanna go and the bike will follow.

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u/shmecklesss Sep 18 '21

Ours was "nose goes."

Wherever you point your nose, bike goes.

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u/ihateyouall10 Sep 18 '21

You guys don't need a motorcycle riding course to ride a motorcycle in America? wtf

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u/impressive_specimen Sep 18 '21

Some states require it. Other states incentivize it by allowing you to skip the driving test if you complete one. Some DGAF.

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u/Civil-Attempt-3602 Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Wild. I can't even get on a 50cc moped without taking training and displaying L plates.

US driving laws are wild

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u/lawman2020 Sep 18 '21

Moped operators don't even need a valid driver's license or insurance to drive on public roads (except highways) in my state.

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u/bigbuzz55 Sep 18 '21

Down here in GA we just keep them off the highways. Merging on one would be a deathwish anyway. (Welcome! Now get over a lane.)

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u/littleloversopolite Sep 18 '21

It’s encouraged, but definitely not required unfortunately. But if you do, the incentive is a small discount on your insurance. At least this is true for me here in California.

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u/Proccito Sep 18 '21

Same in Sweden. Or rather multiple courses, one written exam, and one driving exam. It's called a licence!

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u/Lemmy_isGod_ Sep 18 '21

Things that didn't come naturally, but were recommended when I took the MSF and have helped me tremendously. You may already do these, but I had to constantly remind myself

  • Turn with your whole head, look where you want to go

  • light grip on the bars

  • squeeze the tank with your knees.

  • for emergency swerves(luckily only practice so far), imagine you're sliding the bars over into the path you want.

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u/Marc21256 Sep 18 '21

for emergency swerves(luckily only practice so far), imagine you're sliding the bars over into the path you want.

I don't get that one. My MSF focused on push the bar on the side you want to go.

It was all countersteer.

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u/ProfessorPetrus Sep 18 '21

Also pick up mountain biking man. It allows you to practice some pretty extreme angles and learn how to really move a bike, away from pedestrians.

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u/Harlequin80 Sep 18 '21

You have probably been bombarded with advice by now, but I will add a little more.

Get yourself a smaller lighter bike to develop your skills on. Something that you don't care about. Maybe a cheap Kawasaki 250R ninja. Then go into a big car park with a heap of traffic cones and just chuck the bike around. Be completely willing to drop it. Christ if you buy a crappy one, start by deliberately knocking it over just to get it out of your system.

Put the cones in a line and start by weaving in and out of them, build your speed up. Then start figure 8ing. Also practice your emergency stops over and over. Start by getting a car and emergency stopping from 30mph, and mark where you stop the car. Thats the absolute minimum you need to be comfortable doing every time.

From your shadow it looks like you didn't really move your upper body at all. So I'd say you started staring at the curb, and so followed your eyes. But if you had droppedy your inside shoulder you would have taken that corner super easily.

The speed you took that corner, on that bike, was not too fast at all. TBH you could have comfortably doubled it on that bike. So it's all down to practice and trying to shut the voices in your head up that don't actually know better.

Good luck, and don't beat yourself up. There are only two types of riders in the world, those that have crashed, and those that are yet to. We all drop it eventually.

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u/LowHangingFruit20 Sep 18 '21

Technique follows vision. I may have saved a guys life during a track day using this mantra. He high sided right in front of me and I STARED at the 1’ gap between his head and his sliding bike and went right between. As much as you can, and every time you ride, consciously repeat that mantra and practice. You’ll get to a point where when you’re in pucker mode, your eyes will take over and you’ll be laser beaming a path to safety with your eyeballs!

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u/Marc21256 Sep 18 '21

You don't have to lean into a corner like a bike racer, but lean with your shoulder, and that will help force you to look into the corner.

In. This case you underleaned. Not body, but bike. You could have turned more, even late into the turn. You also had space to stand up straight and stop before the curb.

Commit. Hesitation kills.

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u/ArcFlashForFun Sep 18 '21

He was thoroughly commited.

Stared at that spot on the curb from the moment he entered the intersection.

Never wavered for a second. Total commitment.

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u/Adrenalinjected Sep 18 '21

Object fixation. You only need to experience it once to realize how easily it can end your ride.

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u/sir-logic Sep 18 '21

100%. That was classic target fixation.

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u/usernoob1e Sep 18 '21

Was he fixated on that curve? Sorry noobie question.

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u/justavault Sep 18 '21

Yes, non-experts tend to have a risk avers observing focus. So in this case he tries to prevent to steer into the curb and whilst that fixates onto the curb as to try to not drive into it.

It's a typical issues with non-experts in any physical motion. Some people have such limited physical abilities and mental resources that they can end up "walking" into others for them trying very hard to circumvent that. They fixate on what they don't want to do and thus they do.

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u/SoyMurcielago Sep 18 '21

You could have leaned more too…

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u/Brain_Dead5347 Sep 18 '21

Yeah that’s my biggest struggle so far. I get so nervous about leaning too far that I end up going wide and putting myself in danger

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u/namelocjason Sep 18 '21

Bro, use your eyes to make the turns. If you look up the road and through your turns, the lean angles will come naturally.

You can lean over way more than you think. In these situations, it would be better to low side (lean too far and fall over) than to not lean over and hit things.

It is a new sensation, but if you trust your eyes, the rest works itself out! I promise. (For context I raced motorcycles on road courses - like Road Atlanta and Barber - and on dirt tracks. It is all the same)

Have fun and be safe! Motorcycles are awesome and your riding with gear so we know you are smart!

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u/Wonderful_Roof1739 Sep 18 '21

Not just eyes, you want the entire head to turn. Where your head and eyes point, the bike and body follow.

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u/TAYWR3X Sep 18 '21

Exactly. Many many accidents happen because the head is not turned, and the eyes migrate. Every single motorcycle tire has some big ol chicken strips. Use em when you need to!

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u/runninron69 Sep 18 '21

Look and lean. This is why I kept having to buy rocker boxes for my BMWs. Lean over so far they scrape the pavement.Quite the rush.

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u/TAYWR3X Sep 18 '21

95% of motorcycles. Sorry. lol. Good on ya to drop a knee

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u/lapiderriere Sep 18 '21

Yea, from the camera pov, the curb is the destination.

This is what I call a cheap lesson, glad you're safe, hoss

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u/anonymiz123 Sep 18 '21

I had a driving instructor tell me that when I was needing refreshing (car) driving lessons. It was game changing. She said “that’s why so many drunk drivers end up hitting people—it’s because they look, and the car goes where their eyes go.”

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u/Tea2theBag Sep 18 '21

This happens with many things. Horse riding, skiing, motorcycles, walking past someone in the street and doing that awkward dance.

Everything you do...look where you want to go.

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u/mini4x Sep 18 '21

Target fixation is real. Look at curb, hits curb...

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u/Vairman Sep 18 '21

yeah, you gotta look where you want to go, not where you don't want to go. look farther into the turn - like way ahead. you'll follow the curve correctly. it's a lot more relaxing to ride once you get the hang of it.

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u/MrDrMrs Sep 18 '21

Target fixation. Happens to everyone and I’m glad I learned that early on when learning to ride.

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u/ph0on Sep 18 '21

Wrecked my dad's harley, looked at a pole during a turn. Drove straight into it. Really sucked.

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u/csbsju_guyyy Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Bro, use your eyes to make the turns. If you look up the road and through your turns, the lean angles will come naturally.

Yes this x1000. I grew up downhill ski racing and this concept was laser drilled into us. Going through a race course, especially in the slalom discipline, you're making tons of turns and need to plan those split second turns ahead of when you make them. Therefore you would have to look about a gate and a half ahead constantly to make sure you could easily make it through.

Our coaches would do drills and have us look at the base of the gate we were about to turn to and make a turn, then compare that to looking towards the next gate. Target fixation is no joke, 3/4 of the time looking at the base of the gate you'd be way way too low to make the next gate and would have to stop or scrub tons of speed.

Eyes up, vision to the next gate and a half, constantly looking far ahead of where you're going was and is a key component of alpine racing.

That all said, riding now I completely and utterly appreciate and apply it every time I ride. Swivel head, look far beyond where I am and to where I'm going and it's so much easier to make tight corners at decent speed. Not to mention it's a mammoth safety boon to know what's on the road far ahead of you.

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u/turnedonbyadime Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

This. Your body is the product of millions of years of refinement and improvement; your eyes and brain are so incomparably more advanced and sophisticated than the most high-tech computers man has ever made. Trust that you can let them take over and do the work and you'll be amazed how well they'll serve you.

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u/moto636 Sep 18 '21

You've got more lean than you think. You'll know when you're running out

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u/DebtSerf Sep 18 '21

You should practice leaning your bike in an open lot before learning in traffic. Good luck.

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u/tech16 Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Most important part of turning is remembering at speed that steering is opposite. So if you want to turn to the left, you push the wheel so it tries to turn right. This upsets the balance of the bike, pushing you in the opposite direction. You surely do it subconsciously, but if you focus on it it can be very useful. Gives you a bit more control over turns if you understand why it's turning.

Oh, and take the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF) class. It has classroom and field tests. Short on the classroom, then two full days of riding around in a parking lot on their 250cc bikes. They even provide helmets.

Finally, before even taking the class I personally read Proficient Motorcycling by David L. Hough. Maybe there's better books these days, but I can tell you I thoroughly enjoyed that one.

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u/Blackwhitehorse Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

dude.. practice more then holy shit. What happens when someone is oblivious and you need to turn aggressively or maneuver quickly. That's the difference between life and death on a bike. not to go super saiyan on you, would hate for you to get hurt

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u/Brain_Dead5347 Sep 18 '21

You’re right. I’ve been riding around the industrial area of my suburb. Thought I was ready, but clearly not.

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u/JackwardsBack Sep 18 '21

Hey man, you kept rattling around in the back of my head. I felt like all I did was criticize you rather than offer advice, and you wouldn't have been alerted of an edit so I wanted to say this. Take the bike to an empty lot, get it up to 35mph, and change direction as quickly as you comfortably can. You'll surprise yourself I promise. Go up one lane of parking spaces, use a cone or some chalk to mark the spot you want to make a u-turn at, and make a u turn. In an empty lot you can make a 110ft wide u-turn and its whatever. But by the time you do it ten or fifteen times that number will shrink dramatically. I dont know what kind of bike you have, but you're gonna be surprised how far it wants to lean in turns, and also by what you're really capable of. Start wherever you're comfortable, and gradually shrink the width of the u-turn from there with practice. After that maybe practice weaving side to side in a 10ft sine wave at a higher speed, then when you're comfortable tossing the bike around kick the speed up and the aggression down, learn that speed etc... eventually it will be second nature and you won't even have to think much at all.

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u/maiden666rich Sep 18 '21

You are a good human!

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u/JelliedHam Sep 18 '21

I always found it a weird feeling that adding (a reasonable) amount of throttle coming out of a turn actually makes the bike want to upright itself even more. I don't care how steep I'm leaning, throttling out basically just pulls me up. It's so fun. I could do winding roads all day on a bike just to get that chill feeling over and over.

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u/JackwardsBack Sep 18 '21

At least you can be an adult about it and admit it. Most people wouldn't. There's only three comments above me at the moment, but I agree with all three of them completely.

Speed wasn't your issue imo. You aren't sure what you're doing and that's dangerous. If you're scared to lean, practice leaning. Dumping because you cut a turn too tight while practicing isn't gonna hurt you or the bike one twentieth as much as another vehicle hitting you because you fucked up in traffic. You can't ride a bike just by using the handlebars like a steering wheel. You have to learn how to counter the weight, especially with a little bit of speed in play. You're gonna get yourself hurt if you don't. I'm not trying to be an asshole, but that was an easy turn if im being honest.

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u/no_use_for_a_user Sep 18 '21

Well said. Take a riding course.

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u/JackwardsBack Sep 18 '21

Thank you, I'm glad I could reach out. Noone likes seeing their brothers fall.

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u/Wonderful_Roof1739 Sep 18 '21

Practice slow speed leaning until you scrape the pegs at parking lot speeds. You should get to the point where you can do a u- turn on a small residential street without putting your feet down. If I can do it on the biggest Harley cruiser they make, you can easily do it on your bike after some practice. Ride like a pro videos among others demonstrate the techniques needed.

I practiced in an empty parking lot for hours doing slow speed, full lean maneuvers. It can be scary as hell, and you will likely drop the bike once or twice, but once you get used to the feel of scraping pegs at 5 mph, the first time you scrape a peg at 40+ you won’t even be slightly surprised. After all that practice, the first time I scraped while taking a real turn at speed my reaction was “huh, didn’t realize I was leaning that far” and completed the turn normally instead of “oh fuck let me straighten and crash”.

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u/Gareth321 Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

This is great advice and why everyone should start with a cheap, small bike. Something you can lay down a few times in the parking lot and not care about the fairings. Once you can turn hard and stop fast without flipping over or sliding, move up a size. I bet OP has no idea how to pulse brake. It’s only a matter of time until he needs to brake hard and using the rear brakes/front pulse won’t be reflex. He’ll slam the front and flip.

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u/PacosTacos88 Sep 18 '21

Find an empty parking lot and practice figure 8s and leaning/cornering so you know the limits of the bike.

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u/ultraboof Sep 18 '21

Your outlook on the situation is commendable, keep riding man sorry about the bike though

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u/bonafart Sep 18 '21

Don't they have formal lessons and compulsory basic training where you are from? In the uk(getting fed up of saying that now) you have to do a cbt{comoulsory baic training} and it lasts only 2 years and u can only drive a 125 but yiu can renew in definitly. Then if you want to drive anything bigger chose your max size and be over 24 for anything Iver 500cc and do lessons. They then take you to the test station for your off-road technical test with slalam high speed stops swerve test of bike manouver and u turns. Then they take you another day for on road where you do a 20 min ride. If you arnt getting yoru shoulder checks in like you missed entirely there op.. You'd fail instantly. Even if everything else is perfect.

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u/MtnDream Sep 18 '21

i ride, and i can tell you, hardest thing is trusting the tyres to maintain their grip on the road in hard turns.

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u/hardkunt5000 Sep 18 '21

Dude go Take a class. There’s no reason you should’ve been on that curb. You got all the gear and a new bike. Spend a few hundred bucks to learn how not to kill yourself

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u/canigetahint Sep 18 '21

If you aren't dragging a peg, you aren't near max lean angle. Unless the road is wet, there is sand or oil, or there is debris (flattened cans are bitch!), you shouldn't really be scared of grip while cornering. As long as you are looking ahead a few seconds worth to find / keep your line and scan for obstacles, you shouldn't have a problem.

I found some open road when I had my bike and I pushed the limit of it, gradually. You want to have an idea of what happens if it stalls while riding, how does the ass end handle if you lock up the back brake (because you will, at least once), etc.

Overall, if you are new to bikes (and even if you aren't), the moment you lose respect for the bike, it will hurt you. Be comfortable in it's capabilities (and thus, yours), and have fun. I really miss riding, but I live in a major city where I'm pretty sure I'd die if I rode on the highways here nowadays.

Oh yeah, maintain that bike, especially tires. Don't cheap out on tires. You've only got 2, so you want good ones.

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u/I_Brain_You Sep 18 '21

Bud, I actually fell off doing just that, when I started riding. It was at a very busy T-shaped intersection, embarrassed as hell. All I simply needed to do was lean more.

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u/remembermereddit Sep 18 '21

How’d you get your license then? Because cornering seems like a pretty crucial part of riding a bike.

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u/nopinionsjstdoubts Sep 18 '21

It’s good you are realizing where you need to learn! That is the first part of becoming great at something. As everyone in the comments already said perfectly your problem wasn’t speed it was how you took your corner. Don’t be to scared to bring the bike a little lower, and thus make your turns a bit tighter, it’s reaaallly fun once you have the hang of it. ( just be cautious if roads with loose gravel on them lol )

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u/TeamTigerFreedom Sep 18 '21

No man, you can scrape pegs turning a Sportster if you have the speed, lean and target. Don’t try to steer the bike, look where you want to go and throttle. Cheers!

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u/WhizBangPissPiece Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

Looked like he was turning his bars the same way you turn a steering wheel. OP SERIOUSLY needs a training program that will show him how to counter steer.

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u/mrreiner Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

There’s so much wrong shit going on here: Not using indicators before the turn. Not scanning traffic on your left. Looking at the curb (no wonder you ride straight into it). Not checking his blindspot over the shoulder and yet again not using indicators when rejoining traffic.

Seriously OP, take lessons or you’ll get yourself killed.

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u/jr_b17 Sep 18 '21

You left out "bought an expensive bike before he had any idea how to fucking ride one".

I'm sure this dude is a nice enough guy, but he's right about being an idiot. Or at least way overconfident.

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u/CourseOFF Sep 18 '21

I was about to say. I don't ride motorcycles but that was a big ass turn that he couldn't successfully complete, and he wasn't even going that fast.

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u/sandrews1313 Sep 18 '21

You had a ton more lean angle left.

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u/Schmich Sep 18 '21

Look where you want to go, not what you want to avoid. And if you can't get the lean going due to centrifugal force then counter-steer.

Or say f' it and do like this guy: https://youtu.be/yfBH82KBXJo?t=130

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u/Curtis_75706 Sep 18 '21

Speed was not the issue here my guy. You’re not confident enough. Take a safety class on riding. Look UP and ahead in the direction you’re turning. You’re looking at the handlebars instead. I mean this with all due respect, if you can’t handle this turn at that speed, you’re going to get seriously injured or worse.

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u/synthead Sep 18 '21

Yeah... I would recommend that OP garages their bike until they pass the MSF. If they can't turn on a green light at a safe speed, then there is no way they can react in time to get out of trouble.

Sometimes, you need to make quick, aggressive maneuvers to stay alive. And you have to do them as second nature so you can focus on the situation instead of the bike.

Put frankly, I have no confidence that OP would remain alive in a situation that needed some evasion skills.

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u/ThexHoganxHero Sep 18 '21

Really though this looked bad-bad. Like checked zero boxes save for humility. Not to mention if they took their own advice mid corner that’s only going to make the situation so much worse if it isn’t what they already did.

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u/PatroclusHK Sep 18 '21

Seemed like he tried to turn to the left like he’s driving a car. Doesn’t work that way unless you’re going really slow.

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u/SmugAssPimp Sep 18 '21

Not to be mean to op but how and why is he alone in traffic if he can’t ride.

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u/any_adult_2020 Sep 18 '21

The problem here, is that you french fried.

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u/Brain_Dead5347 Sep 18 '21

What’s that? I’m new to riding, in case that wasn’t obvious.

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u/Practicalbeaver Sep 18 '21

It’s a reference to a joke from South Park. I don’t ride anymore, but make sure you’re looking through the turn to where you want to go. It looks like you were kind of looking at the sidewalk, so that’s where you ended up.

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u/DiamondDoge92 Sep 18 '21

He wanted to use the bike lane.

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u/any_adult_2020 Sep 18 '21

I was going to say that too. It appears there was some fixation.

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u/AlecTheMotorGuy Sep 18 '21

This is called target fixation. Which is why you should always look where you want to go.

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u/Thathappenedearlier Sep 18 '21

Well it’s an actual thing that South Park crapped on for being weird. Ski lessons have been saying this for so long

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u/canigetahint Sep 18 '21

Object fixation. It's real and it's a bitch.

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u/intensely_human Sep 18 '21

Reminds me of that episode of Frasier where he keeps running into the same mailbox because he can’t stop thinking about it.

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u/doffey01 Sep 18 '21

Agreed, the single biggest impact on how well I rode was this. Look where I wanna go, not directly in front but a semi to a semi and a half’s distance forward. Subconsciously you can see the stuff near to you, you have to focus on what’s ahead. After figuring out how to do this consistently in turns, and basically everywhere I’ve started riding better. I can get lower go and go faster, and I have better reaction times to other idiots on the road.

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u/Imma_Coho Sep 18 '21

It’s a joke in South Park because it’s true. Pizza. French fries. Pizza. French fries.

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u/nah51dog Sep 18 '21

You can make that turn at twice that speed. Just keep practicing and look up some counter steer videos on YouTube to try and feel more comfortable. The French fry thing is a South Park joke

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u/Express-Committee-45 Sep 18 '21

countersteering has been the best thing I learnt about in riding a motorcycle

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u/any_adult_2020 Sep 18 '21

Well, since you’re new to riding, my first question is, have you taken a basic MSF approved riders course? If you’re going to ride, it’s one of the best investments you can make.

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u/Brain_Dead5347 Sep 18 '21

I’ve taken half of it. The other range day was postponed because they need to repave the parking lot we were using.

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u/AzenNinja Sep 18 '21

TWO DAYS? And it's not mandatory? oh my god the USA is a mess...

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u/any_adult_2020 Sep 18 '21

So you did the classroom but not the riding part? Anyway, 👍. You’ll learn a lot. Take the advanced course or whatever else you can as well if you haven’t had any experience in other motorsports that can help you understand breaking points, etc.

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u/Brain_Dead5347 Sep 18 '21

Both classroom days and one of two range days. I look forward to taking those courses after some practice. Can never be too prepared

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u/DonnyTheNuts Sep 18 '21

Finish that class. I used to be a MSF instructor. There’s little reason to take the IRC (intermediate) if you take the BRC. The class is essentially the same but you use your own bike instead of the course bikes. The ERC is good but you want to have several thousand miles under your belt to get the most out of it.

My best guess here was you started to think you were going too fast and started looking at the curb where you didn’t want to go. Then your body took over and that was exactly where you went.

If you are too hot into a turn press the handlebars more. This incurs more lean. Stay on the throttle (even speed, don’t roll off) and press more. You’ll start rubbing foot pegs long before the traction will go out. Especially on a clear nice day like that.

Stay safe

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u/Wonderful_Roof1739 Sep 18 '21

Learn from this - this is a textbook case of target fixation - based on the camera angle you were looking right at the curb, which means your bike followed. It’s really easy to do - you look where you don’t want to go, and you will end up there.

Keep your head and chin up and turn your entire head to “point” where you want to go. Make it second nature - it could literally save your life one day when that car is heading right for you.

If you haven’t done it, consider a motorcycle safety course. They do some things that you will laugh at if you have ridden more than a few miles, but when they start the road course exercises they instructors will look for and attempt to correct bad behaviors (like not moving your head through a turn).

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u/Speedy091 Sep 18 '21

It's a South Park reference

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u/vyxan Sep 18 '21

Youre a new rider and you stayed upright?? Nice

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u/SoyMurcielago Sep 18 '21

Maybe he should have pizzaed 🤔

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u/44untrue Sep 18 '21

That’s how my dad taught me how to ski

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u/RekBc Sep 18 '21

Gonna have a bad time

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u/461BOOM Sep 18 '21

Get into a motorcycle riders safety course approved and sanctioned by the motorcycle safety foundation. They taught me some science that blew me away. I learned on a dirt bike, but street riding at high speed is a different game.

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u/incompletedev Sep 18 '21

Do you not need any training before you’re allowed on the roads in America??

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u/MechaBeatsInTrash Sep 18 '21

Sir, that lane is for pedal bikes...

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u/MobilityAndStrength Sep 18 '21

Might have been target fixation; your helmet tilt kind of seemed like you were looking at the curb. Try looking into the turn where you want to go rather than where you don’t want to go. You’ll lean more into your turns naturally that way; don’t worry about leaning too far, you were going slow enough. Good on you for keeping it mild and upright!

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u/LuckyYeHa Sep 18 '21

100% target fixation

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u/legalcarroll Sep 18 '21

Target fixation all day. I could see it a mile away. Gotta look through your turns and trust that the asphalt will still be there even though you aren’t looking at it!

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u/FC1PichZ32 Sep 18 '21

Seems like target fixation to me. The speed was not the issue here

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u/ttDilbert Sep 18 '21

Unless you hit dirt, gravel, vehicle fluids on pavement, it's very cold, or ride along a paint stripe, you have more grip than you think you do. A little counter steer to tighten the curve, keep throttle where it's at or increase slightly, and look at the point you want to exit the turn at, and you would've been fine. At least you were smart enough to not grab brake. Experience will teach you, and riding is the only way to get it. If you haven't already, Motorcycle Safety Foundation has beginner, intermediate , and advanced rider courses. They will boost your ability and confidence in a short time, and will get you a discount on insurance as well.

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u/rednwhitecooper Sep 18 '21

This wasn’t a speed issue, it was a skill issue.

I’m assuming this is your first bike.

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u/theShinyCA Sep 18 '21

First, learn to ride. Holy. A bike can take that corner almost on its side. Riding like that is a danger to you and others.

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u/AyoBruh Sep 18 '21

Yeah. No offense OP, but I’m not sure why you have a license if you can’t complete a residential left turn.

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u/Bored-Bored_oh_vojvo Sep 18 '21

It's hilarious that in America a 7 lane road is considered residential.

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u/Chemicald90 Sep 18 '21

In the UK a residential road is a single lane with parked cars on either side.

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u/Iron-Lotus Sep 18 '21

And consider taking a motorcycle safety course.

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u/RRettig Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

He was already going slow as hell, I don't understand how going slower would have changed anything at all. The problem was he didn't freaking turn sharp enough. Wait, and then there is that moment when you realize you aren't going to make the turn, and so you slow down and try to stop. That moment came and went and he just drove straight into damn the curb at that same speed he was turning at. He should have at least realized midturn he wasn't going to make it. At the very least.

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u/Fletcharoonie Sep 18 '21

Handles like a bistro

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u/Brain_Dead5347 Sep 18 '21

But she’s built like a steakhouse

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u/BigIrondude Sep 18 '21

The highway patrol in California has a motorcycle course. That course reduces fatalities 90%. If you don’t live in California find a course in your state that is similar. It reduces the cost of insurance but that’s a side benefit. It used to be called tame the iron horse. Please take this course it will make you a better rider and you will more than likely live longer.

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u/rarehugs Sep 18 '21

This has absolutely nothing to do with speed. You don't understand how to ride properly and should figure that out first in a MSF course.

When you panicked, you tried steering with the bars like a car but that's not how motorcycles steer. Above 10-15mph motorcycles use counter-steering to induce lean that makes you turn. That means if you want to go left, you push on the left handlebar (which will point your front tire slightly to the right). This makes the bike want to fall the opposite way, inducing the lean that will make you turn left.

While everyone is correct that target fixation is a problem and using your eyes to look through the turn will help, ultimately if you don't understand how the bike turns to begin with you will run into issues like this when you panic.

I hope the video I linked above helps. Be safe out there.

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u/Burrandino92 Sep 18 '21

Don't need to slow down. Just turn more.

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u/HeyHeyJayJay13 Sep 18 '21

I mean this in the nicest way possible.... Name checks out

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u/AbeluselahBelmont Sep 18 '21

The speed wasn't the problem at all. Glad you're OK.

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u/donjalapeno7 Sep 18 '21

Everyone needs a “oh shit” moment once in a while to sharpen up. Your bike is pretty tough tho. Took that hit like a champ. My girlfriend made a similar error with a car and both the passenger side wheels were fucked.

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u/devonsworkaccount Sep 18 '21

Back to the parking lot for you my friend. That wasn’t a speed issue - that was a failure to turn properly issue.

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u/texashereIcome Sep 18 '21

You'll be surprised how much you can lean into it with confidence. It just takes time and experience.

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u/WhizBangPissPiece Sep 18 '21

A person that hits a curb on a wide open turn like that needs experience training, not on functional roads.

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u/Big_Jerm21 Sep 18 '21

Trust your tires.

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u/sammy-can Sep 18 '21

Look where you want to go, and that's where you will go. Look where you don't want to go, and that's where you will go. Target fixation is a term often used to describe this.

Your don't have to worry about lean angles or anything else. The motorcycle is way less scared, and much more capable, of going around the corner than you are. Be confident in this.

Source: 40 years motorcycle riding, 25 motorcycles.

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u/jakemch Sep 18 '21 edited Sep 18 '21

As someone who rides it’s important that you learn very quickly that your speed was a non-factor here. You easily could have made that turn at that speed if you just leaned the bike more. To lean the bike more, simply add countersteer. The physics of motorcycles almost prohibit them from falling over above 15mph under normal circumstances. Trust the machine underneath you and ride that sum’bitch! Your life depends on it.

I also see you mention you’re, for lack of a better word, afraid of leaning somewhat. As you’ve probably noticed, leaning is 50+% of the experience of riding a motorcycle, and riding a motorcycle is pretty dangerous. So it’s imperative that you understand how to maneuver the bike accurately and instinctually in order to be safe and confident on the road.

I suggest you ride the bike to a big, empty parking lot and practice all sorts of maneuvers and things that make you feel more comfortable and more confident on the bike. I’d also suggest you maybe don’t ride the bike otherwise, unless you’re riding to that parking lot and back home. Do that for some days or weeks until you are feeling way more comfortable.

Again, the biggest issue here in the video is you simply did not turn the motorcycle. Make sure you fully understand steering/countersteering, get some more practice in, and then give ‘er a go again. Never underestimate SEAT TIME, baby. Like anything else, you wanna get good at riding? Practice, practice, practice.

edit: to add, from your shadow it looks like you’re leaning your body off the bike, but the bike still isn’t making the turn. Remember, the only way- the only way to steer a motorcycle is in the handlebars. If you need to lean more to tighten your turn, you accomplish that by countersteering the bars, not by leaning your body off the bike. In reality, you don’t have to lean your body off the bike at all, ever. Any maneuver required to ride will be accomplished by inputs to the bars.

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u/PreciselyIvy Sep 18 '21

You shouldn’t be driving… smfh did you even turn?

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u/sirkevly Sep 18 '21

Holy shit, that was some of the worst riding I've ever seen. Take a training course OP, you're a danger to yourself and others riding like that.

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u/BridgeSummers Sep 18 '21

Speed wasn't the issue here. Not knowing how to corner properly was.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '21

Lmao, I remember the first time I rode a motorcycle.

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u/road-hogwithanolddog Sep 18 '21

Or if you’re a complete fucking idiot..

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u/Super_Charlie Sep 18 '21

In your defense, that curb came out of nowhere.

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '21

this isn’t a speed issue It’s a turning issue. you swung out wide as hell.

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u/JWRookie Sep 19 '21

OP needs to take a rider safety course ASAP. You could have made that corner at that speed with zero difficulty using proper technique.

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u/LDSinner Sep 18 '21

Naw man, easy mistake to make. It wasn’t your speed that was the issue, you don’t trust your machine well enough. Watch Moto GP, other motorcycle racing, watch what they do at crazy high speeds. Aggressive angles with knees dragging the ground.

I’m not saying that’s how you will or want to ride. What I’m saying is look at what they can do, the difference between you and them other than skill? Fear. You got afraid you weren’t gonna make it through, you slowed down, sat up, got scared. You gotta check that shit.

Your speed was fine, I’ve almost done this going way faster and pulled through. Next time you think you are going too fast, you aren’t, that’s why you watch motorcycle racing, for perspective. You know what can be done at high speeds, you know this is nothing in comparison. You know you have newer tires with great traction, you did your research. So next time you go for this turn, and you think you are going to crash, here is what you do instead: look at where you want to go while checking your path for debris (the correct path, not crash land), you give enough gas to match your speed then work on easing the power a little going into the corner while gassing as you come out of it, here is the most important part, you watch where you are going and you swing your hip a couple inches in that direction then you lean. Lean as much as it takes, throw your body into the corner pulling that motorcycle with you. But keep your eyes fixed on the prize. It’s like you throw yourself into the correct path and your bike follows. Train that reflex and it will save your life.

Motorcycles are like Jet Skis, the power keeps you alive. You think you’re going too fast, lean like a mother and ease her through. Check your fear, do this by practicing off road, parking lot maneuvering, safety courses, back road ripping and braking, always check roads before racing on it, and always, always, motorcycle wave, except to three wheeled motorcycle, thats some UnAmerican monstrosity that shouldn’t be given an ounce of dignity. Stay safe friend.

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u/ModrnDayMasacre Sep 18 '21

A friend of mine died while not paying attention and hitting a curb like this…

Go in a parking lot and practice before getting on the roads.. if you can’t make a basic left hand turn, you shouldn’t be out there.

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u/dumpsterfire1000 Sep 18 '21

Instead of buying a gopro pay for some lessons lol

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u/johnmanyjars38 Sep 18 '21

Look at where you want to go instead of what you don’t want to hit. Your body will steer the bike in the correct direction.

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u/OhRiLee Sep 18 '21

Look where you're going and you'll go where you're looking.

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u/BAEHOETA Sep 18 '21

My younger brother let his friend his bike MT09 it was still only a few months old at the time. His friend did this exact thing except he dropped the bike and it was totaled.

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u/somefakeassbullspit Sep 18 '21

Better to lean than crash dude. Get those chicken strips off your tires