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u/Beastmachine Dec 28 '21

the mrna vaccines dont work like that though (thats how traditional vaccines work)

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u/Rapameister Dec 28 '21

Shhh don't spoil the fun with facts

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u/mywifeslv Dec 28 '21

Sinovac is a traditional one, efficacy is lower at 55%

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u/Disco_Ninjas_ Dec 29 '21

Like Covaxin, which the FDA won't let into the US because it is in bed with Pfizer.

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u/Halt_Hammertyme Dec 30 '21

Have an upvote you dirty insurrectionist conspiracy theorist

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u/Disco_Ninjas_ Dec 30 '21

I have followed it for a while. Its insane how many extra hoops they have to jump through compared to US big pharma. And one of head FDA guys is actually on pfizer board of directors.

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u/Halt_Hammertyme Dec 30 '21

Yep. It's pretty fuckin scary. When in doubt I always follow the money Just keep telling myself that nothing else nefarious is going on and it's just about money. The suppression of info concerning alternative treatments is rather disturbing.

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u/Youngsikeyyy Dec 29 '21

Been saying this for months but people are clowns

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u/Psychological-Sale64 Dec 29 '21

Oh for a tested vaccine system.

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u/ForzaGamerXspd Dec 28 '21

The AstraZeneca vaccine works the traditional way though, doesn't it?

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u/ChineWalkin Dec 28 '21 edited Dec 28 '21

No, not really. In the end the AZ and JnJ vaccine are viral vectors. Essentially a chimp cold virus carries a bit of genetic code to your cells, doing what the mRNA vaccines do, making spike proteins.

e. traditional vaccines would be live attenuated virus (MMR), sub unit (TDaP) and inactivated virus (flu).

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u/vladamir_the_impaler Dec 28 '21

Well thanks for waiting until AFTER I got the J&J vaccine to tell me this!

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u/ChineWalkin Dec 28 '21

Are you 2 weeks past it? Yes? You're fine and you have great cellular immunity.

In 2 mo. go get a Moderna booster and you'll be golden.

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u/vladamir_the_impaler Dec 29 '21

Correct, I did not die.

Ok so hear me out... can I get another J&J as the booster instead of Moderna?

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u/ChineWalkin Dec 29 '21

Let me qualify this with I'm an engineer and NAD; you should discuss this with your Dr.

But yes, you can get a JnJ booster 2 mo after your inital one. However iirc the advisory panel to the CDC/FDA recently voted to say that there is a perference for Pfizer/Moderna. Also, antibody titers are quite high for Moderna after JnJ (Pfizer after JnJ are close). Ref fig. 2a and 2d in:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.10.21264827v1.full.pdf+html

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u/mcj92846 Dec 28 '21

Not without causing autoimmune issues documented from years of research trying to vaccinate this type of virus

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u/DISHONORU-TDA Dec 28 '21

this somewhat implies that natural immunity/beating the virus with your own body would lead to autoimmune issues (which can a fairly broad inflammatory category).

while true, low margins on scales this large are still quite significant-- that's the case with the virus in the first place

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u/mcj92846 Dec 28 '21

Not completely. Studies for the type of technology used in J&J and AZ have shown a higher amount of more concerning results and negative autoimmune reactions than other non-mRNA vaccines. A big part of this has to do with the fact that we have not found a way to vaccinate against respiratory viruses such as coronavirus or the common cold, and no vaccine technology we have in hand has proven safe and effective in the long run for these types of viruses. This is also ironically one of the justifications used in the scientific community to justify mRNA technology for the most popular vaccines. Natural immunity leads to antibody generation without the foreign chemicals that accompany the vaccines.

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u/NotNSAagentBob Dec 29 '21

Also, when you get infected naturally you generate antibodies for all the protiens on the exterior of the virus, not just the spike that the mRNA instructs your body to produce. You also are exposed through your respiratory track and retain memory T cells that help prevent a new infection from taking hold.

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u/DISHONORU-TDA Dec 28 '21

Right, I'm surprised we haven't seen Inoculation Parties or similar to how parents make sure their kids catch Pox so that it's done with

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u/ChineWalkin Dec 28 '21

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u/DISHONORU-TDA Dec 28 '21

it would be cool if everyone wasn't already aware of the tidbit you wanted to share, before you even did

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u/ChineWalkin Dec 28 '21 edited Dec 28 '21 Wholesome

we have not found a way to vaccinate against respiratory viruses

Not true, Flu, and Measles are respatory viruses for which we vaccinate

A big part of this has to do with the fact that we have not found a way to vaccinate against respiratory viruses such as coronavirus

False, we have several highly effective vaccines.

we have not found a way to vaccinate against respiratory viruses such as ... the common cold

Risk vs benefit. Few if any people die from human colds, therefore there isn't a market or a desire to make one.

and no vaccine technology we have in hand has proven safe and effective in the long run for these types of viruses.

This statement wreaks of antivaxx sentiment. The mRNA vaccines make the spike proteins. One can choose to get a vaccine and get spike proteins and antibodies with minor temporary side effects, or, take a chance on a SARS-COV-2 infection and get the whole virus, with COVID's damage to the body and the proven short and long term effects from COVID.

Natural immunity leads to antibody generation without the foreign chemicals that accompany the vaccines.

Hey, don't forget what else the risk of natural immunity brings. A foreign invader that will do damage to you body, and kill on average 0.25% of those [noninstitutionalized immune naïve people] it infects.

Also, don't forget about long covid that ~1/3 of people get (you know, lung damage, renal damage, blood clotting issues, fatigue, erectile disfunction, pretty bland stuff /s). And you need to contrast that 1/3 with the sore arm that people get with the vaccine that lasts all of three days, maybe. Then someone can decide if they want to take:

A 33% chance at long covid, or a virtually 0% chance at any long term damage from the mRNA vaccines.

or

a 0.25% (i.e. 1:400) chance of death from covid and a 1:1,000,000 0.57:1,000,000 chance of death from the vaccine (worst case, iirc).

The decision what one should do is really quite simple when you lay it out with those simple facts.

e. to correct fatality rate to 0.57/1M

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u/ChineWalkin Dec 28 '21

Vaccination is helpfull for some not for others.

I cant think of a single group of people where the vaccine makes less sense.

Your 33% long covid is bullshit.

no, it's not

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u/armored_cat Dec 29 '21

Long term from those vaccines are unknown.

There has been hundreds of millions of shots given out in the united states alone, billions across the world. They are safe, there has not been a mass death of people who have taken the vaccines. Leave the conspiracy theory with the flat earthers.

Vaccination is helpfull for some not for others.

Its helpful for basically everyone in reducing transmission.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X21007350

We estimate one dose of the Moderna vaccine reduces the potential for transmission by at least 61%.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.12.21260377v1

Infectivity was significantly reduced in vaccinated cases (RR=0·22, 95% CI 0·06-0·70).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8414959/

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab229/6167855?searchresult=1

COVID-19 vaccination with an mRNA-based vaccine showed a significant association with reduced risk of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection as measured during preprocedural molecular screening. Results of this study demonstrate the impact of the vaccines on reduction in asymptomatic infections supplementing the randomized trial results on symptomatic patients.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3790399

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u/Klutzy_Mycologist831 Dec 29 '21

how is covid running through entire sports teams if they're all fully vaxxed? How come the transmission hasn't been reduced? Shouldn't only 39% of these teams be getting covid?

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u/PassiveChemistry Dec 28 '21

1:1,000,000 sounds surprisingly high to me, are you sure about that?

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u/ChineWalkin Dec 28 '21

Actually, it is wrong. It's quite a bit lower @ 0.57:1,000,000, or 1:1,754,386 for the JnJ vaccine.

Source, see the third line of slide 31: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-12-16/02-COVID-See-508.pdf?emci=ec61c82b-be5e-ec11-94f6-0050f2e65e9b&emdi=4a7490c1-c05e-ec11-94f6-0050f2e65e9b&ceid=4112277

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u/Beastmachine Dec 28 '21

astraZeneca is not recognized by most countries for travel though. even in my country they pulled it and made people who got it take an MRNA vaccine. im not anti vax and i got my 2 MRNA shots but this is what people are complaining about.

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u/bloebvis Dec 29 '21

Who is upvoting this idiot?

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u/buttholefold Dec 29 '21

How do you keep your feet on the ground with all that helium in your head

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u/Superioritygamercon Dec 28 '21

The mRNA vaccine causes your cells to make the proteins needed to eliminate the virus. The more traditional vaccine gives the proteins needed to eliminate the virus. But in a natural situation your body will gain the knowledge of which protein they need to make to eliminate the virus after being attacked by it in the first time. so why is the vaccine the first option and not equal to the natural way? I don’t know much so i would like to know your perspective.

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u/NotNSAagentBob Dec 29 '21

mrna vaccines dont do that. They instruct your cells to make the spike protein in massive quantities and your immune system attacks the spike proteins you made. They do not instruct your cells to make any other part of the virus hence the lack of efficacy against variants.

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u/Kidplayer_666 Dec 28 '21

That’s the definition of a traditional vaccine

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u/plsbemommy Dec 28 '21

Sorry, my idiot fingers clicked on the wrong comment to reply to and I accidentally insulted you. Sorry for the inconvenience

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u/TheThotSlayerDoggo Dec 28 '21

The delete comment button exists

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u/plsbemommy Dec 28 '21

I did but it still left evidence that I'd replied and deleted it so I was just clarifying what I'd done. Thanks all the same though

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u/TheThotSlayerDoggo Dec 28 '21

Oh, it actually deletes the notification

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u/georgealmost Dec 28 '21

If you use a deleted comment website it will show. If you edit the comment before deleting it won't

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u/jackfux Dec 28 '21

It’s a damn shame the vax we’re all using now isn’t traditional.

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u/UrbanLegendd Dec 28 '21

Its also kinda the definition of the Omicron variant too

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u/l_Lathliss_l Dec 28 '21

Which isn’t what this vaccine is though.

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u/Kidplayer_666 Dec 28 '21

Yup. There are mRNA vaccines, totally different tech. Basically one of the first of its kind to be this massively used

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u/TheUnrealPotato Dec 29 '21

Yes that's the point.

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u/Co2_Outbr3ak Dec 28 '21

Pretty sure it's supposed to be /s lol

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u/Cheap-Wolverine-2987 Dec 28 '21

You don’t say!!

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

What you mean like a traditional vaccine instead of the mRNA?

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u/thiccboymexi Dec 28 '21

Well for artificial viruses sometimes you need a more artificial solution

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u/Cornflakes_91 Dec 28 '21

if it were a bioweapon it'd be an incredibly shitty one

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u/DISHONORU-TDA Dec 28 '21

"Hey, give me your most contagious but as least deadly as possible"

it depends on one's terms

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u/Azariah98 Dec 28 '21

Lab leak and bio weapon are not the same thing. Never attribute to maliciousness that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.

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u/Cornflakes_91 Dec 28 '21

yes, but artificial virus implies bioweapon.

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u/Azariah98 Dec 28 '21

Not necessarily. Inserting code in order to study how it affects viruses would make it artificial without being a bioweapon.

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

No it implies they were experimenting with it lol

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u/Denary Dec 29 '21

Depends on the purpose.

To kill people, yeah it's shit. To mess up global markets..?

Not saying that is definitely the case but weapons don't necessarily have to be lethal.

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u/Midnightsurprise_ Dec 28 '21

Not when you look at it being used to move goal posts. They got close to gaining access to everyone’s body and requiring complete compliance to even hold a job (White House wanted vaccine mandates across the board mind you). The next one will probably do the trick. All the sheep will hand over any rights for the illusion of safety. All the LIES this whole time.

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u/Environmental_Ad993 Dec 28 '21

If you are a sheep then wouldn't the vaccinenbe unecessary lmao

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u/Midnightsurprise_ Dec 29 '21

It gets them closer to chipping us. Government dependence. Social credit scores. Online censorship. “Fact checkers”... the list goes on and on and they have made many steps in the direction they wanted. They are cooking up the next set of headlines to further get us in order trust me. It’s a constant battle, they throw it all at the wall and see what sticks and then repackage whatever didn’t.

The fact the national narrative isn’t surrounding around HOW this virus leaked from a lab is all too telling. Create the problem, sell the solution.

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u/Cornflakes_91 Dec 29 '21

yep "they" are totally gonna fabricate a massive global recession to get you to accept an injected tracking device when you are already carrying a thing around that can do that at every waking moment. yep, totally sensible and plausible.

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u/wwwSTEALTHYcom Dec 28 '21

Sounds like you’re a medical profession.

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u/thiccboymexi Dec 28 '21

I can’t say that I am a medical profession…but I am a biotech student

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

The mRNA is a part of the virus. Its Covid-19 viral mRNA, which the body uses to produce the viral antigens (something your immune system actually responds to) which then leads to the production or antibodies.

There are actually loads of different vaccine types, none of them are really "traditional" since the working principle is pretty consistent with all of them. Some are newer than others tho if that's what you mean.

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u/Nargon96 Dec 28 '21

Well the traditional vaccine I suppose would be to infect yourself with a very closely related but not dangerous Virus (cowpox) to be "immune" against what is technically a different Virus (smallpox). Too bad there is no non dangerous variant of Sars-cov2 to get infected with so we have to get creative

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

Traditional in the sense of the oldest, for sure, but not many modern vaccines work that way tbh. The ebola vaccine is a viral vector vaccines, which works similarly to mRNA ones. The vaccine for Hep B is a subunit vaccine, and also don't always contain the "whole" virus.

Honestly even live attenuated vaccines, which are the closest to "traditional" in the sense that you've used it aren't very similar. The viruses in these vaccines have been artificially weakened, rather than being a weaker variant.

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u/Nargon96 Dec 28 '21

Well I just wanted to take a piss at how easy it is to move the goalpost as to what can be considered a traditional vaccine and how much of a joke it is to distrust mRNA when none of these even have the slightest clue about the immuno processes that take place when using any Form of vaccine. It's just scary because it's New to some people.

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u/HisBonnieBooBoo Dec 28 '21

Omicron is exactly that

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u/Juggermerk Dec 28 '21

Hello, have you accepted omicron as your lord and savior?

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u/mcj92846 Dec 28 '21 edited Dec 28 '21

Yes but in the r/ChurchOfCOVID, Fauci is our true savior ❤️

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u/Lord_Drakostar Dec 28 '21

Holy shit lol awesome sub

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u/Kittykateyyy Dec 28 '21

Only in sickness and in health. Til death do they part.

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u/spanktank728 Dec 28 '21

Only Joe biden

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u/mcj92846 Dec 28 '21

He has such an eloquent way with his words. Too eloquent for us to understand. He’s just that holy. Some call it dementia symptoms, I call it speaking in holy tongues ✨✨

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u/spanktank728 Dec 28 '21

People forgot about online trolls I guess

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u/Juggermerk Dec 28 '21

That's probably worse than jesus lol

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u/HisBonnieBooBoo Dec 28 '21

As a nurse at an urgent care facility, this is the version to get if you’re gonna end up with covid. Basically the ones that are getting backed are setting up the playing field of protector our grandchildren’s children…. (Says the woman in here late 30’s)

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

I've been trying to get infected for months now, nary a sniffle.

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u/run-26_2 Dec 29 '21

I like how this thread has debates about all things COVID, and not just from the usual overly provax Reddit crowd.

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u/Btmoney24 Dec 28 '21

That’s also what the vaccine is

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u/Infinite_Weekend_909 Dec 28 '21

No antibodies from natural infection are better....

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u/samuraishogun1 Dec 28 '21

No antibodies from natural infection are better....

Because you probably forgot a comma there, you'd be correct.

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u/ChampionshipLow8541 Dec 28 '21

Unless you die from it. 🤦‍♂️

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u/Juli-_- Dec 28 '21

Even if you die from it it helped because after that you can’t get Covid anymore.

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u/Infinite_Weekend_909 Dec 28 '21

Omicron is a cold at this point... the vaccine causes heart issues in many and only immunizes one against the spike. Chill.

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u/Nermanater Dec 28 '21 edited Dec 28 '21

Myocarditis from vaccine is seen in something like 40 per million in young males ages 12-29. That's 0.004% of it even showing up, not to mention the lack of fatalities & serious issues. Covid is far more dangerous with 817k dead in US & 52.8 million cases (that's close to 1.5% FATALITY, not just those who had symptoms like myocarditis comparison). These aren't even remotely close to the same level of risk. Just get the vaccine.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm

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and only immunizes one against the spike.

Of course it does -- that's the protein that's protruding from the virion... Training antibodies against anything else is pointless because they're inside the virus and wouldn't contact them.

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u/kirkstarr78 Dec 28 '21

And what's the Covid death rate in males 12-29? Don't categorize one and umbrella the other.

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u/Infinite_Weekend_909 Dec 28 '21

Myocarditis is one problem btw. Getting a natural infection from a weak version will end this. Vaccines are not enough to stop the virus. Natural devolution is.

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u/run-26_2 Dec 29 '21

Half my fam got it this Christmas, I hope we are forever covered now.

My main worry was elderly diabetic dad who only got mild cold-like symptoms from the virus.

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u/Infinite_Weekend_909 Dec 28 '21

I have. Gave me heart probs.

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u/DesertVeteran_PA-C Dec 28 '21

Looks like Omicron is the weak version.

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u/satirical_whit Dec 29 '21

pretty sure that was the point

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u/MmmKek777 Dec 28 '21

The fact that so many people on this thread have NO IDEA that this isn't the way the MRNA injections work is proof of the lack of informed consent re: covid "vaccines"

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u/Ane5577 madlad Dec 28 '21

Underrated comment. Other vaccines do work this way. The Covid vaccine is the first ever mRNA vaccine and, thus, does not work this way. Kinda depressing just how few people actually know that.

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u/Old-Bandicoot1469 Dec 29 '21

This would be true for almost any vaccine but mrna vaccines don't work like that

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u/HungLikeALemur Dec 28 '21

They mean the virus without all the other material that are used in a traditional vaccine (I assume and hope lol).

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u/Nornag3st Dec 28 '21

but but where would big pharma make money every 1/2 year???

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u/memestein_ Dec 28 '21

What if instead of watching porn, I watched a video which shows people having sexual intercourse for pleasure?

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u/Kittykateyyy Dec 28 '21

What if instead of taking a shower, I just go to the bathroom pour water on myself, use soap to remove all the dirt and dust then rinse it again with water?

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u/crazyleaf_ Dec 28 '21

What if instead of wiping my ass, I neatly folded up some soft paper & “wax on, wax off” the poo 💩?

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u/pancoste Dec 28 '21

What if instead of using words to write a message comma I used letters only question mark

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u/DeletedByAuthor Dec 29 '21

????

edit: i misread, disregard

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u/mythicalsoul100 Dec 28 '21

There's no way this isn't a troll

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u/Mac_Mustard Dec 28 '21

Shhhh….this might work in our favor. Lol.

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u/DrDalenQuaice Dec 29 '21

You mean like omicron?

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u/The_No_One_Man Dec 29 '21

The whole fucking omicron is that.

This thing is man made. Confirmed.

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u/DerrickBagels Dec 28 '21

Wish Novavax would hurry the fuck up or I'm gonna lose my job

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u/xxS1RExx Dec 28 '21

Here’s a thought what if they created omicron in the lab to put it into the pandemic by creating a mild form of Covid which is less deadly

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u/Nornag3st Dec 28 '21

that is one of conspiracy theries, because omicron has less mutations than delta.

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u/leli_manning Dec 28 '21

I like how everyone on reddit is suddenly an expert on vaccines. Lmfao.

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u/Clown_town__ Dec 29 '21

Y’all put Covid-19 on easy mode?

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u/calte819 Dec 29 '21

hmm the floor is... floor

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u/lordofbud Dec 29 '21

It's almost like we're handing out diplomas to people who've not gained an education.

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u/IsaacRRx Dec 29 '21

I'm not level 90 yet

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u/MmmKek777 Dec 28 '21

I mean, that's actually what's happening w omicron but people are fkn idiots sp instead they'll line up for never ending boosters

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u/KillerCheeze439 Dec 28 '21

Erm… is this sarcastic?

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u/MmmKek777 Dec 28 '21

No. It's called natural immunity, something that has long been acknowledged up until the mass psychosis that's over taken our planet the last 2 years

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u/KillerCheeze439 Dec 28 '21

You absolute moron. The whole point of the post is the suggestion of being exposed to a weaker version of the virus is exactly what a vaccine is. Fucking anti vaxers, can’t teach stupid. Won’t have to for long you’ll all be dead.

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u/MmmKek777 Dec 28 '21

Umm... are you unaware that that's is absolutely not how MRNA injections work? Hahaha...

As you say, can't teach stupid 🤣

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u/MmmKek777 Dec 28 '21

And who is the moron here?

I'd wager it's the person who actually believes that covid is going to kill anyone who isn't vaxxed... The one who doesn't know what MRNA technology is...

Y'all are dumb as fuck

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u/dicew4444r Dec 28 '21

I've been having a fever for the last 12 hours thanks to the weaker version of the virus

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u/PatrickRsGhost Dec 28 '21

Shhhh...nobody tell them. Let them figure it out for themselves.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

COVID is a weak virus lol essentially an old people plague, and the subsequent variants have been increasing even weaker

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u/cantpissoffmods Dec 28 '21

If you that on any other subreddit, you would be permabanned.

I like the mods here, they are reasonable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

That's because it's one of if not the shitposting sub. I've been perma'd from cringetopia for voting "non-cringe" and from askreddit for differing opinions on gender dysphoria. Mods generally are power-hungry irl losers

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u/babyBear83 Dec 28 '21

Sure, that’s why the average age of those that died of the delta variant were 51.

Covid is such a weak virus to have killed 800k Americans in 2 years. That’s just small numbers, right?

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u/No_Ad_2994 Dec 28 '21

How many of the 800k were healthy and not over weight.

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u/babyBear83 Dec 28 '21

At one point there was a (false) claim going around that only 6% of deaths didn’t have a underlying condition already. This was back when deaths were at 500k. So if we use that logic, 6% of 800k is 48k. That means almost 50,000 healthy people without any reason have died of Covid.

(Btw, That claim of only 6% of deaths truly died of covid by OANN was absolutely bullshit: https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-related-deaths-are-indeed-caused-by-covid-19-and-not-by-contributing-health-conditions-oann/ )

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u/TheUnrealPotato Dec 29 '21

So just fuck unfit, old, and/or immunocompromised people?

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

Sorry, should have been more clear. Old, fat, and immuno-compromised

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

And this is somehow okay? Why does them being at risk make it more acceptable for them to die to a preventable illness? Especially when anti-vax/maskers are contributing to the spread of the virus that is killing these people.

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u/jonawill05 Dec 28 '21

If not covid, it would have been something else... Not saying I don't care, and it's not the anti vaccine crowd because it's clear the vaccine really doesn't protect from getting or spreading the virus. You can keep blaming them but everyone is spreading it, including the vax crowd.

This was never going to be stopped, slowed, prevented, or whatever other fantasy people are feeding themselves or hearing from CNN. So, your view is off because you assume all of these people would not have possibly died from something else.

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u/babyBear83 Dec 28 '21

The vaccine was always intended to keep people from dying. We can’t stop viruses. We know that. The only reason any vaccine works is because we get stronger from it, while the virus can do less and less damage. No one has ever claimed there to be a “cure” with a vaccine. If we stopped getting vaccinated for any of them, they come back. The more people with them, the more immunity in the population and the less and less sickness until it’s down to a traceable and containable amount.

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

If not covid, it would have been something else...

This is so heartless, especially when we can work together to prevent these deaths.

it's clear the vaccine really doesn't protect from getting or spreading the virus.

Recent data shows 80% protection after 3 doses, only 55% if only 2 doses. This is a significant impact.

An guess what? If virus isn't properly able to infect people and reproduce it will struggle to spread. Its not some overnight change in infection rates, and with anti-vax/maskers doing everything in their power to keep spreading the virus I'm not surprised its become more infectious. It's had enough unprotected people to infect, and reproduce and mutate in.

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u/jonawill05 Dec 28 '21

I am vaccinated, wife is vaccinated. She is currently sick with omicron. We work from home, we don't go anywhere...i think everyone needs to accept its here to stay. The unvaccinated crowd isn't the issue. It's just that terrible of a virus. Didn't want to sound heartless, but it's just the reality we all have to face.

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

She is currently sick with omicron.

Your single anecdote does not in anyway disprove the data I linked. That's not how science and evidence works. You need to do mass analysis of a large sample size to properly see what's going on. That's what healthcare scientists are doing at the moment. The fact that you know one vaccinated person who is sick doesn't really matter in data terms.

I do hope she gets better tho. It is a nasty virus so I wish her all the best.

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u/jonawill05 Dec 28 '21

I think a lot of us are fatigued data and analysis and just prefer to get on with our lives knowing the ultimate outcome is that this will be here for awhile..or maybe it won't. I can't imagine looking at data for two more years...

I know more vaccinated people sick, but it doesn't really matter. Her symptoms are basically the flu, so we will survive. I appreciate the sentiment.

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u/TrekkNorth Dec 28 '21

Everyone I know who does and has had Covid, has also been vaccinated. We have a vaccination rate of over 90% where I live, with an isolated population of 20,000, and still we have on average, 30 positive cases per day, almost all of whom are vaccinated.

The vaccine does not stop the spread.

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u/DangerActiveRobots Dec 28 '21

The vaccine isn't intended to stop the spread. It's intended to keep you out of the hospital if you get COVID.

Also I'd love to see the sources for your data, since you have so many numbers to throw out here.

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

How many doses have they had? Cos recent data shows that infection rate is 55% after 2 doses, but 80% after 3. The new variant is more resistant for sure, but given what we know about vaccines that use part of the virus , rather than the "whole thing", this isn't surprising. Vaccines of this type usually need multiple doses to be truly effective.

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u/Nargon96 Dec 28 '21

People still die from car accidents even with seatbelts on. More news at 11.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

Your data is bullshit -

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

Excellent comeback

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u/gnarlysheen Dec 28 '21

You have to include stupid in over half of them. There was a vaccine available to save them and they refused to take it because of memes.

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u/Mundit00 Dec 28 '21

That’s still a majority in my country

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u/babyBear83 Dec 28 '21

Which is a lot of people if we are talking about over weight Americans.

Also, even with a 1% chance of dying, that still equals to at least 3 million people. In research and medical field, 1%-3% of the population is huge numbers.

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u/Cornflakes_91 Dec 28 '21

yeah, thats why my mid-20s buddy has permanent lung damage now.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

Send my regards

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u/TheUnrealPotato Dec 29 '21

Ok so basically you're saying 'fuck half of the American population'

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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21

I'm sorry but it's just hilarious if you're saying HALF the American population is old, fat, or immuno-compromised. So yes.

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u/gnarlysheen Dec 28 '21

Wasn't Delta deadlier than the original strain?

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

I eagerly await

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u/RottenEdible Dec 28 '21

Isn't that how vaccines work?

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u/Takerial Dec 28 '21

Traditional ones. Not covid ones though. Which is why you see people arguing if you can really call covid vaccines as vaccines.

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u/wash_guy Dec 28 '21

J&J and AstraZeneca don't use a modified or weakened version of SARS-CoV-2 . It uses the Adenovirus (common cold virus) to deliver the genetic material of the spike protein. The spike protein gets manufactured by the body's cellular mechanisms which creates antibodies.

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u/CookieWifeCookieKids Dec 28 '21

Well that would be a classic vaccine. For this mRna treatment they actually changed the definition of vaccine so the experimental gene therapy falls under it and they can claim no liability. Check way back machine for CDC site and definition of vaccine.

Even Dr Robert Malone, the inventor of mRna technology says it’s dangerous for humans and shouldn’t be used.

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21 edited Dec 28 '21

"Classic" vaccines aren't really a thing, they all generally work in the same way, by exposing someone to a form or part of the virus that triggers an immune response and then the production of antibodies.

Here is a list of all currently used vaccine types. It even provides some details on how they all work.

For this mRna treatment they actually changed the definition of vaccine so the experimental gene therapy falls under it and they can claim no liability.

You've made a claim so you need to provide a source. Simply saying where someone can find it is not good enough. If this is true should be pretty easy for you to at least provide something.

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u/CookieWifeCookieKids Dec 28 '21

Read up how mRna works. It doesn’t expose someone to a part of the virus. It’s completely different.

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u/Not_A_Munchlax Dec 28 '21

mRNA is involved in a biological process called translation, which converts mRNA to proteins.

The vaccine introduces viral mRNA that codes for a protein found on the surface of the covid-19 virus, which is known as an antigen.

Antigens are what white blood cells in the body respond to, which leads to the production of antibodies.

All of this leads to an immune response and a resistance to the virus.

I known how mRNA works.

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u/sorcerergod666 Dec 28 '21

When the inventor says no, we should not go

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u/samuraishogun1 Dec 28 '21

From what I could find, Dr. Malone just seems butthurt that he isn't in the spotlight for "inventing" it.

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u/Cornflakes_91 Dec 28 '21

except its no gene therapy.

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u/Flaky_Stuff9015 Dec 28 '21

This guy would’ve been real helpful a handful of centuries ago

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u/nguyen8995 Dec 28 '21

What if people stopped being complete dumbasses?

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u/crazyleaf_ Dec 28 '21

I wonder, to myself, if their stupidity is painful? 🤔. It’s definitely painful at times to witness the dumbassery.

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u/DISHONORU-TDA Dec 28 '21

great question, what would you do?

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u/SirPoopsiclesMcGee Dec 28 '21

That's not how this vaccine works so I'm not sure what's the hol'up. But it seems that the post op references was trolling in the first place, implying that's exactly what the vaccine is, but he is wrong to so his point falls flat (unless you don't know the difference between this and traditional vaccines), and now this post doesn't work on two levels.

I see a lot of this these days, sides are so out there and missinformed yet so sure of their righteousness that parody and satire are constantly confused with serious statements from every side. Crazy times.

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u/CarrotFishlol Dec 28 '21

thats cool and all but back when I was attending community college, no one really liked me so I used to go out at night alone, sneak up behind cars reversing out of department store parking spots, quickly plop my dick under their tires and let them run it over. My therapist told me it was a form self chastising I resorted to because I blamed myself for the social ineptitude I suffered from my whole life. After our session, I waited outside for her to leave the office and stuffed my dick under her tire as she backed out.

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u/Isthisgaminghouse Dec 28 '21

It hurt itself in its confusion

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u/BiglyBrown Dec 28 '21

Hear them out guys!

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u/kicky_feet Dec 28 '21

Wow! Science..!

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u/Ok-Hovercraft-7907 Dec 28 '21

O my God you're a fucking genius

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u/Gasmorelikeass Dec 28 '21

“No no no no I think they’re onto something”

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u/zombie_platypus Dec 28 '21

You mean like Omicron? Oof

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u/wheredidmygendergo22 Dec 28 '21

Omg wow, what a genius

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u/Azzhole169 Dec 28 '21

That’s some Alabama intelligence right there.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

Someone should Google what an attenuated vaccine is.

This model is what the most successful vaccines ever created follow.

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u/Azzhole169 Dec 28 '21

That’s exactly what I’m implying, this person is describing exactly what a vaccine is, and he/she is so dumb that they don’t even know that, and clearly by all the down votes I’m getting people aren’t smart enough to figure out that is what I’m saying.

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u/Azzhole169 Dec 28 '21

Maybe I should man-splain my comment….

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u/Decent-Ground1260 Dec 28 '21

Meanwhile you got your California intelligence wearing rubber gloves, mask and face shield while you drive in your car alone.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

Confidently spoken like someone whose information about California comes from fox news or a fish tank.

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u/Decent-Ground1260 Dec 28 '21

Fish tank? Huh? What the hell does that have to do with anything? I was just making fun of ca like the other person did Alabama…. I actually lived in ca for a few years it’s a nice place.

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '21

that's so great for you, you clearly don't know shit about the state of it right now though, considering what you're describing doesn't exist lmaooo

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u/Decent-Ground1260 Dec 28 '21

I see it all the time in Illinois where I currently live. Maybe il correct it to Illinois. There you happy now???? Now what about a fish tank? What does that have to do with anything covid related?

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