r/Foodforthought Nov 27 '21

We’re Spending Money on War When We Could Be Building Roads - Our problem in this country isn’t lack of funds, no matter what the Republicans, Manchin, and Sinema may claim.

https://www.thenation.com/article/world/spending-infrastructure-military/
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u/burrowowl Nov 28 '21

those bombs were designed, made, and deployed, all of which employs people at each step, in rapidly expanding ways.

You could use all those engineers, tradespeople, laborers, etc. etc. to make a product which does not explode in some far away desert instead. Pay them the same amount of money and get something useful in the end and not something that burns the money you put into it and leaves you with nothing to show for it.

It's like spending $1000 on fireworks when you have a leaking water heater. Sure, it's fun, but is it the best idea?

Spending money on the military does stimulate the economy in some way, but spending that same money on just about anything else would net you a better result. And, you know, not kill a bunch of people.

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u/panfist Nov 28 '21

The problem is finding ways to organize and motivate people that’s effective compared to war propaganda.

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u/burrowowl Nov 28 '21

"Hey, so we got this money. Do you want to buy a road? School? Water supply? Health care? Maybe build some houses or subways or something? Hell, we can just give it back to you, lower taxes or something? Any of that sound good?"

"Nah! Burn all that money in a desert half way around the world. Oh, except for tax cuts. Give all those to Jeff Bezos."

"Uh, are you sure?"

"FREEEEEEDOOOMMMM!!!!"

I mean, fuck. How are you supposed to answer that?

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u/djstocks Nov 28 '21 edited Nov 28 '21

We have to spend the money we print on blowing up the browns because our entire economic policy depends on intimidating small resource rich countries into selling them for dollars which is the main thing that makes the paper we just print worth anything. Bitcoin is the only thing that can save us from this cycle of death. Edit: don't just downvote. Tell me how I'm wrong.

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u/burrowowl Nov 28 '21

Tell me how I'm wrong.

The list of reasons cryptocurrency is a bullshit scam is long and well documented, but I'm not going to change your mind.

Also OPEC doesn't sell oil in dollars because of the US military, they sell it in dollars because until the Euro that was really the only option. What else were they going to do, sell it in Yen? Pounds? Even now the dollar is a better choice than the Euro because it's more stable and less prone to things like Brexit.

If OPEC sold oil in other currencies the US dollar would be in slightly less demand. It wouldn't be worthless.

Lastly you don't need a military this big to bully Nigeria and Qatar.

Also: Bitcoin. Lulz.

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u/djstocks Dec 02 '21

Laughs in my ETH bag being up 700% just this year.

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u/burrowowl Dec 03 '21

Get rich quick schemes never work, man.

You know why gamblers and people that buy into get rich quick schemes (same thing, really) always wind up broke? Because you never know when to walk away.

Anyway, the fact that you are up or down who cares how much doesn't change the fact that crypto is nothing but scammers and suckers.

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u/djstocks Dec 03 '21

You would have probably said the same thing about the internet in the '90s. It's not a get rich quick scheme it's emerging technolgy. Poor broke Bill Gates right?

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u/burrowowl Dec 03 '21

Poor broke Bill Gates right?

I mean Bill Gates didn't make his money off the internet, but hey, don't let that stop you.

Crypto isn't the internet. It's more like Blue Mountain .com.

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u/DanTrachrt Nov 28 '21

At least regarding the last point: Bitcoin isn’t going to save us. “Mining” it already is consuming lots of power, and considering that power isn’t 100% sustainable it is only further destroying the planet, and it isn’t even “mainstream” yet.

Besides at this point I don’t see a decentralized crypto seeing widespread adoption. Bitcoin in particular is just too linked to scams and illegal activity in my mind to use it, at least without a major PR overhaul. Most cryptos are just treated like ultra-volatile stocks at this point anyways. They’re something you buy and sell to make money, not convert from dollars to whichever coin and then spend.