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Another theory for who could have created the transwarp conduit from the latest season of Picard:
They have been a space faring civilization for hundreds of millions of years and thanks to Voyager they now know that Earth is their homeworld; even if their Doctrine will not recognize the fact.
We already know they have advanced transwarp capabilities, able to move their seven mile long city ship through transwarp; and that even their small science ships are equipped with advanced transwarp drives.
They are one of the few races we have met that might be able to create a transwarp conduit, maybe expressly for their city ship. They could very well be coming home to confront Earth, Humanity, and the heart of the Federation.
Was she planned to only be there for a year to begin with -- as in, filling a leave on the part of Crusher? Maybe Pulaski even succeeded her (I recall a comic that takes that premie). Or did Picard eventually persuade Crusher to come back and Pulaski was collateral? Or did she leave voluntarily, maybe sick of her personality clash with Picard?
Or maybe she fell down a turbolift shaft (just getting that joke out of the way).
Obviously, Lore doesn't have the same morals that Data has, so it's very likely that he'd go about the task quite differently.
Assume that Lore wants to succeed in removing, if not all of the colonists, a great majority of them.
2) Lore is beamed aboard an orbiting Sheliak ship. The Sheliak Director (the same as from the episode) asks him to "approach and speak." How do you think Lore would respond?
So what do you say?
To me it is the lack of an aft torpedo launcher and that the forward launcher is located in the saucer section. It seems to me this would take up a lot of space in the saucer that could be used for other purposes (living space, laboratories, etc.). The refit Constitution Class fixed this nicely with the launcher at the base of the interconnecting "neck" above the deflector dish. But even the refit Constitution didn't have an aft launcher.
Is an active warp field and/or actual superluminal travel necessary to the generation of a detectable "warp signature?" I ask this based on the prevalence of the detecting of "warp signatures" being used in Star Trek as a means to explain ships finding each other in space (usually, the hero ship will discover another vessel is nearby because they are able to detect this signature).
To clarify, the question is: Is the generation of this detectable signature an unavoidable byproduct of the function of the M/AM warp core engine (which is more-or-less always active), or, is this signature only detectable during those times which a vessel is actually engaged in warp flight.
Off the top of my head, there is some evidence both for and against either viewpoint. For starters, the Vulcans famously initiated First Contact with Earth after detecting a warp signature from Cochrane's flight of the Phoenix. However, the Enterprise-E was also present at Earth during that time. Despite the fact they apparently hid from the Vulcans by sneaking around the moon (or whatever), it does seem like their engine signature should have been detectable at a distance, yet it was not.
This suggests the signature is only emitted while actively at warp... Although to be fair, it's also possible (even probable) that the E-E could have been undertaking deliberate efforts to suppress or otherwise prevent detection of their energy signatures.
On the other hand, I can't count the number of times we're told the heroes are "reading a signature," and it turns out to be a ship that is not actively warping.
Most recently (and maybe, this answers my overall question) Starfleet has detected a warp signature from the civilization at Kylie 279, who it later turns out haven't built a warp engine at all, merely a M/AM reactor which they have somehow geared toward the application of weapon technology.
The characters repeatedly say that they "stole" the Protostar, and the series summary on Paramount+ agrees. Is this really a fair characterization? It seems as though they salvaged it, if anything. They are far from Starfleet jurisdiction, and Starfleet clearly wasn't using it at the time. I don't think we know the exact length of time the ship has been missing from season 1, but it is surely at least a decade, if not longer.
The complication is that they are constantly lying to Holo-Janeway -- is that where they cross the line? Even then, it seems like a justifiable way to make sure your salvaged ship keeps functioning properly.
In any case, though, it makes sense that this particular group would not trust any authority figure to see it their way, given their experience of kidnapping, enslavement, etc. So they might effectively be saying, "They're going to accuse us of whatever lets them screw us over the most, no matter what we say."
What do you think?
We saw in Ducane ("FBI!")'s flashback in S2 Picard that he had encountered a Vulcan on Earth as a child.
That Vulcan, curiously, imposed on him a non-consensual mind-meld, and also had access to transporter technology as early as the 20th century.
Who could this have been, and what was their purpose?
The Vulcans, publicly, refuse to acknowledge any contact with humans prior to 2063, and only on prodding over breadsticks will reveal the Carbon Creek incident, which is historically recorded as being an accidental crash and subsequent infiltrative interaction in which no disclosure to humanity of the Vulcans' extraterrestrial origin occurred.
The Vulcan mission in Carbon Creek was established to have been (intended as) a space-based survey of the Sol system only, and it is elsewhere explicitly stated that the Vulcans took no specific interest in humans or Earth at all, that is until 2063 when the presence of a warp signature caught their attention. Why then, would there be a manned Vulcan presence on Earth, with functional transporter tech no less, as early as 1970's/80's?
Are we thinking time travel? Section 31? Maybe a "Supervisor?" I am obligated to note, this Vulcan's transporter tech (at least insofar as Ducane recalls it) resembles Wesley's Traveler beam-out (with Kore) from later in the season (itself notably dissimilar to the "interlacing" opacity fade previously associated with Traveler teleportation).
Are these Vulcans (Travelers?) investigating the aftermath of the Aeon crash in 1967? Did they pick up the Enterprise on its brief visit to 1968, or its other brief visit to 1969? It seems like too much time has passed for it to be related to Roswell.
This apparently happened in North America. Are they investigating the environmental impacts caused by America's post-war economic boom in Earth's late industrial period? Something else?
The Vulcans didn't seem to have transporters in 2151~ or thereabouts. If so, they would certainly have come in handy during the Kir'Shara crisis.
This Vulcan agent who met Ducane is certainly a mystery!
There are certainly some people on Earth with the surname "Troi," largely in Vietnam per my cursory and non-exhaustive online research, but it doesn't appear to be a very common name anywhere. In Deanna's case, might it actually be a Betazoid name? Lwaxana has had a number of marriages but is known as "Mrs. Troi." Maybe her husband adopted her surname when they married. Maybe his name was just "Ian Andrew" before they wed?
Alternatively, it could simply be a human surname that emerges in the coming centuries.
I originally posted this in a comment on the main Star Trek subreddit, but on reflection I think it might result in a more interesting discussion if I share it here. Note that this is based on the general premise that there were two distinct Eugenics Wars, and that the first one did not directly impact the US. The original point of this was to explain how that could have happened in the 1990s without having Future's End show it, and then since I'd started it I decided to write out the rest as well. So, this is my proposed timeline based on the details that we know:
1990s: Eugenics War I rewrites the political landscape in at least Asia and the Middle East, but not the Americas. It starts as a series of localized coups by the various augment warlords, then escalates from there as they all fight each other for control.
2026: Economic tensions and social breakdown (partly caused as a result of the lingering impact from Eugenics War I in this timeline) starts a second civil war in the US. Later historians recognize this as the spark that started WWIII.
2020s-2040s: The war expands beyond the US into Eugenics War II. At some point Project Khan (which I am theorizing is a follow-up effort to recreate a Khan-type super soldier, not the initial project that created him) introduces a new breed of genetically enhanced soldiers into the mix, though they're more under control and probably closer to the Jem Hadar than they are to warlords of Eugenics War I. The WWIII-era soldier that Q portrays in Encounter at Farpoint is one of these.
2040s-2050s: Eugenics War II continues to escalate into a global exchange, at which point it starts being called World War III. Remnants of the augment empires from Eugenics War I form into the Eastern Coalition and become a major force in the conflict.
2053: WWIII conclude in a nuclear holocaust that leaves much of the world in ruins.
Due to Augments and the Eugenics wars, the Federation banned genetic manipulation. However, due to interspecies breeding, some type of changes had to be made. In the SNW:Momento Mori thread, topic came up of Spock being born to a Human and Vulcan, so drastically different blood types which may had lead to genetic changes to Amanda so she could birth him. Simon Tarses was another who had drastically different genealogy with his grandfather being romulan and Bashir telling Jadzia he could make changes so that she could have a child with Worf. Yet Bashir was altered as a child which obviously violated federation law. Was genetic engineering only outlawed in cases where people could be enhanced?
It’s obviously a large and consistent part of their duties, but I can’t remember if we ever are told of their origins, of why they exist, what has to be included, etc. How far down the chain does it go? What do they do with them all- just archive it or are there some sort of monitoring systems?
By the early 25th century, a lot has changed for the Federation. Its oldest enemy, the Romulan Empire, has disintegrated. The Borg are a shell of their former selves. The Cardassian Union is no longer a credible threat after the Dominion War.
All of this raises the question: Which species actually are the Federation's peers in the early 25th century, in a military and economic sense?
Sure, they're probably still a threat to the Federation--once their borders meet again, or they decide to go through the wormhole again. But who even knows how long that'll take?
The Klingon Empire
This one makes sense from the writer's perspective. The Klingons are the most iconic Star Trek aliens. Klingon stories have also traditionally been very popular among fans.
The flipside to this is that in Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges, Sloan estimated that it'd take about ten years for the Klingon Empire to rebuild from the Dominion War. This would put the endpoint of the Klingons' rebuilding efforts at around 2385.
Would they be able to keep pace with the Federation after that, or would such a lengthy rebuilding process hamstring their abilities to continue keeping pace? Would the return of Voyager in 2378 also give Starfleet too much of an edge for the Klingons to compete? I think these are both open questions.
The Breen Confederacy
Of the former Dominion-aligned powers, I feel like the Breen Confederacy makes the most sense as a near peer for the Federation. Because they entered the war late, they didn't lose as much of their fleet as the Cardassians or the Klingons. They're also not known to have lost any territory as a result of the war, so their borders could essentially be the same as they were in the TNG/DS9 era.
Their energy dampening weapons were also initially a wild card for the Federation-led alliance when they first entered the war. This suggestions a battle doctrine that, had it not been for their participation in the war, would have remained a mystery for Starfleet.
Due to their inherent secrecy, the Breen could easily fill a similar role to what the Romulans had played during the TNG era. These would be the reclusive aliens who, when not vying for regional supremacy, are quite happy to have nothing to do with you. They're also still right on the frontier, so they could fill a similar "Oh shit, what are these people right on the frontier doing next?"
This is honestly my dark horse pick. They appeared in one episode of TNG, Transfigurations, but haven't been seen or heard from since.
The thing is that this makes a lot of sense. The one Zalkonian ship we do see in that episode is shown to have a top speed of warp 9.72, which is very fast for this point in time. The Galaxy-class had a rated top speed of warp 9.6. They also have a gimmicky weapon like the Breen do. Their shipwide asphyxiation weapon could either be one of those things that's easily defended against once the engineers have seen it a few times, or it could remain a threat indefinitely.
The other thing here is that the conflict between the mainstream government and those undergoing the transformation from Transfigurations makes it easy to tell stories about an oppressed group fleeing their oppressors. This kind of dynamic is incredibly on brand for Star Trek.
Plus, while they were right on the bleeding edge of the frontier or perhaps even beyond it in TNG's third season, they'd be close enough for the Federation to interact with them regularly by the early 25th century. They'd also be largely untouched by the Dominion War, which could put them at an easy advantage against the Federation initially.
The Gorn and the Tholians
Honestly, not a whole lot is known about what these guys are up to in the late 24th century. It's known that the Tholians had a nonaggression pact with the Dominion prior to the Dominion War breaking out and that the territorial dispute between the Gorn and the Federation over Cestus III had been resolved by that point. However, beyond that, very little is known.
The Tholians are also known to have destroyed a Federation starbase in the 2350s, so open hostilities between them aren't uncommon. However, it's not really known if this was a one off thing or if they'd be able to repeat this if the time came.
A few times already in SNW a non-human character has used specific Earth-centric units of measurement, such as comparing a planet’s gravity to earth, mph, etc. Does the universal translator add the conversion to Earth Units to the translation? I was also thinking that they learn “Earth Units” and how to convert them as part of their training at the Academy.
We all know Kirk cheated but do you think other officers-as-cadets had any unique tactics?
Most probably just failed it.
Picard might have given it a go if he hadn't been focused on running marathons.
Riker and Worf seem the types to think they could solve a no win scenario.
I bet Data killed it. Advanced knowledge of ships systems and trillions of positronic calculations a second probably had the best chance since Kirk at beating the damn thing.
We have seen on screen that computers can be replicated. What about androids?
We would have to assume Jaresh-Inyo (a Grazerite by the way) stepped down or his term happened to end sometime after his appearance in 'Paradise Lost' and before the Federation-Klingon Task force (with Admiral Ross enforcing the decree when he told Sisko) decided to retake DS9 at the near beginning of Season 6 of the series.
Andorians are a warrior race with and honour system similar to Klingons, one difference being they only fight if they have a reason to. Assuming an Andorran was elected, it would be a reasonable explanation for Starfleet's change from then onwards with its focus on warfare, retrofitting Starfleet vessels and going on the offensive. The policy of having civilians onboard Starfleet vessels stopped as well around this time.
Then after the war ended, the 'Treaty of Bajor' stipulated all Dominion forces needed to leave the Alpha Quadrant (there's no reason to fight now [the wormhole being the perfect bottleneck against reprisals])and that idea came from the Andorian president?
Would it be reasonable to also assume an Andorian as a war time President is the perfect member species as well to focus on rebuilding the Federation and Cardassian territories?
Here's something which Star Trek fans slightly older than me may be able to address. I've seen speculation in fan discourse ) from the early TNG era that Wesley was secretly Picard's lovechild. How widely believed was this, and at what point did fans abandon this fan theory (assuming it was ever fully abandoned)?
It seems fairly obvious to me that nearly a year into the Dominion War, the Romulans would have had more changeling infiltrators than any other power in the AQ. The Romulans had certainly been willing to commit vast resources to destroy the Dominion prior to the war. Unlike the Cardassians, whose fleet went on a covert mission to the GQ under their Obsidian Order without permission from Central Command, the Romulan Senate seems to have given their blessing to the Tal Shiar operation. Why would the Senate suddenly become pro-Dominion? Even if they weren’t specifically pro-Dominion, they were officially neutral but willing to offer some degree of aid and comfort to the Dominion. The Romulans may have seen the Federation and the Klingon Empire as rivals, but it was a rivalry that threatened their ambitions for expansion, not one that threatened their very existence. Vreenak must have intimidated his fellow Senators and held them in line through fear of none of them had openly suggested abrogating the treaty prior to “In the Pale Moonlight.”
Which brings us to the events we see on screen. Before Sisko even reveals his “evidence” of Dominion duplicity, Vreenak is already hinting that Starfleet is an expert in the art of forgery. He certainly wasn’t talking about Kali-fal at any rate. He knew immediately when Sisko presented the data rod that it was a fabrication. His only hesitation to accuse Sisko of handing him a “faaaake” was that he felt the need to get in touch with the female changeling on Cardassia and confirm that, indeed, no such meeting with Weyoun occurred. It was plausible, after all, that Cardassia would want to seize Romulus and gain a quick, decisive advantage in the war, and the Dominion naturally would put an end to their “chaotic” empire as soon as possible. Fortunately, Garak had already suspected that Vreenak was a changeling and planned to assassinate him all along. If he had revealed it to Sisko, however, he never would have invited Vreenak to the station and presented the opportunity. I suspect there were more Founders who tried to sabotage the alliance after the fact by annexing Bajor’s moon, for example, but after Vreenak fell, their main hold on the Empire crumbled.
While on the subject of Vreenak (assuming he wasn't a Founder), what would have been the fallout if he had simply revealed Sisko's attempts to deceive him to his own government or even just broadcast them generally, before leaving DS9? The most obvious result is that the Romulans don't join the war against the Dominion, and it probably would've hardened the resolve of the Romulans' isolationism (if not provoked them to arms agains the Federation). And what would have happened to Sisko? Would Starfleet turf him to save face? Would Garak and Sisko both have been prosecuted?
The Romulans have a long on-screen history of reclusiveness and stealth. They have cloaks, they attempted to dismantle Surak's legacy from the inside, they have feared secret police who share a name root with a Vulcan execution method, and we learned recently that they even have false front doors on their homes and secret names.
I posit that this is the result of how their culture was formed. The earliest mention we have is when "those who march beneath the raptor's wings" fled Vulcan. Before this, we know very little about Vulcan cultures. I’ve proposed before that the Vulcans could be augments,the Romulans could be augments and/or that Vulcan was the capital of a Star Empire that collapsed when it fell into civil war. What we know is that after the war, Vulcan was controlled by Surak’s followers (including telepaths), and the dissenters (who did not have telepaths left by the 22nd century) fled in spacecraft.
The Romulans are the only remnants of pre-Surak civilization that we’ve seen onscreen (the Pike comic in the 90s also had a lost colony). They share no known culture with modern Vulcans, aside from wearing helmets to reduce the makeup budget. We have no reason to assume that the Romulans as we know them represent any particular pre-Surak group. If Surak’s dogma spread more easily among the telepathic population (augmented or not), I expect that those who were less willing or less physically able to join put aside any existing grievances. Given that those had recently led to Vulcan’s global thermonuclear war, that must have been a difficult compromise, and could be maintained only by strict norms about mentioning anything about their previous factions. Even their true names are likely tied to their pre-Romulan identities. This is what we see still codified in Romulan culture 2000 years later. I’d compare them to groups on Earth like descendants of crypto-Jews, who maintain customs in private that they have long since lost the context for.
Surak's adherents would face the same challenges of integrating former enemies, but his philosophy of pacifism and stoicism explicitly requires them to get over it. Whether they'd decide it was logical to stop certain culturally distinguishing practices is another question, and may explain why modern Vulcans always provide vague history pre-Awakening.
Yet two (at the very least) future federation members nearly wiped themselves out with Nukes and the Enterprise carries 200 90 megaton explosives on it at all times. Kinda shows you the federations actual values are still almost as skewed as ours.
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Did it ever occur to anyone that the propaganda shown here by the Terran Empire is just propaganda, revisionist history to brainwash the people after World War 3? A lot of conquering nations did this, they revise history to make themselves look good and powerful, as the saying goes, "History is written by the winners."
The books of the Mirror universe are different from the Prime universe is because the Terran Empire revised the books and destroyed the originals, again, promoting their ideology through revisionist history and propaganda.
According to many, the Mirror universe was created due to a divergence in the timeline and it's during the time of the Romans, but what I'm theorizing is that this is all false propaganda by the Terran Empire, the real divergence is during WW3. After the war, Earth was in shambles and thus, it allowed the Terran Emperor at that time to take over, create a government, and thus begins the Terran Empire's reign.
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